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hi everyone,just to let you all know i had stem cell treatment from dr khan yesterday and I found him very caring and understanding as is his staff! After the initial fat was taken from my abdomen the cells were cultivated then injected into my open pores and scars, and most areas of my face he also performed subsicion on some of the scars then went over my whole face with a very fine needle I think he was injecting the fat deep into the dermis (maybe!). at this time my face and stomach are swollen and bruised and i have a few blood spots over my face. i have an appointment 7th dec to go back and get skin taken from my neck he is then going to seperate and cultivate the cells to hopefully give me my pigmentation back on my face, i gather he is going to either dermabrase or laser my face before he injects and sprays the cells onto my face to form new skin. I will keep you all posted on my progress. As I have previously stated I found dr khan and his staff the nicest people I have met on my journey to have normal skin
Do you have large pores ? did dr khan say this treatment would work for large pores becuase that is my main problem with my skin ... im not too bothered with the scars actually
i have looked bit deeper into this treatment and it acctualy realy looks promising. dr khan statement is that 90 % of fat graft will survive if mixed with celeuted stem cells therefore the lifting effect will be longer and nicer and quality of skin will improve equally. i have been for long great fan of good old procedures like dermal grafting,dermabrasion (better than any laser) and scar revision surgery and i though the trick was in perfecting those to the point where there would be no risk and benefit will be increased to max.ideal case scenario: lifting scar with dermal graft enriched with PRP andCFU-f progenitors in manner securing high survival of a graft, followed by scar revision surgery of individual deep fybrotic scars with inclusion of botox injection in surgical site prior to revision and juvista injection at the time and 24 hrs after surgery, followed by dermabrasion or laser dermabrasion (combined co and dermabrasion pls see [Removed]) with immediate application of Recell spray and biological dressing enriched with epidermal growth factors and hopefully IL-10 if renovo comes with improved version. this all is of course not available to normal human beeing right now. if you find innovative dermatologist you might get dermal grafting,you might get PRP or stem cells injections,you might even get some botox with scar revision surgery and if you were very insistent you will get Recell spray (FDA approval is pending). it will all be very painful time consuming and expensive and you almost certainly will have to travel continents but at the end of it you life might be changed. all depends on prefferences. wish i was 10 now and had time to wait another 10 years...
i know its not new at all, i guess it depends where it's acctualy injected, it has to be strictly intradermal, any intramuscular application as you would do for wrinkles won't work. i dont think is anyway good idea to do it before laser or dermabrasion as the oil glands help skin to heal faster. wonder if Dr Khan does dermabrasion. he is doing laser with Recell spray (clever man) but not sure about dermabrasion as such
I have some big plans for us alll when i got to the UK.. BRD has given me an extra incentive..in 2 weeks im going to let you all know how things have gone and if the plan i have (which is regarding opening a center dedicated SOLEY to acne scarring or scarring in general) in DUBAI.
It would be based totaly AROUND this thread..
IM not going to let anyone here suffer anymore..BRD as you are the source..continue to update us on your treatments and such..
You may..correction..you are the biggest source of hope this forum has ever had.
icaretohelp ... any more info about these plans you have ?
BRD or anyone who is familiar with the procedure. Would somone with minor scars I.E. some rolling and a few pits that look like enlarged pores benefit just as much with a dermarolling regimen as they would with this procedure? If so what would be proper protocol.
One reason I ask is the costs, if it is just as beneficial for someone with minor scarring to have dermarolling instead of this procedure it would save a lot of money. With that said I have seen a few figures thrown around, BRD or anyone who has researched what is the cost to have this procedure?
i do generaly like the idea of this treatment very much. i only have 2 issues unfortunately they are quite major: 1. i cannot accept the fact that all you need is one off procedure - when using dermal grafts u need up to 4 even more rounds to get the correction you want, using fat transfer you need to do this every 3 to 4 months and it does take some time to acheive the lifting and permanency you want. how much do the stem cells make this different i cannot say but i am sure more than one round would be required. that would be no problem either if the price would have reflected that need. i simply dont see anybody beeing able to pay 7 grand every 4-5 months. another problem is the fat itself, i have come across people here who ended up with all sorts of lumps and overcorrection problems, which are very very difficult to treat. i cannot wait to see some of the people from this thread back in 6 months time with still as good results as they see now. i hate beeing sceptical but i quess is better to expect less and recieve more. only time can show now
Hello, This is a question to BRD
I have been reading throughout this post and I came across a doctor in my town that is offering something similar to what is being talked about (I think?) .. Is this similar and what type of lasting effects would this procedure give?? Here is an excerpt from his website.
The idea of ASCeS is not that new and the technology has been used in orthopedic and plastic surgery. Blood contains many growth factors which are indispensible for wound healing. Some of these compounds include platelet derived growth factor, vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF) and transforming growth factor beta 1 (TGF-I1). These growth factors attract larger number of stem cells into the treated areas (chemotaxis) and at the same time triggers a cascade of events that leads to tissue repair although in reality no real injury has taken place. The stem cells can change into epidermal cells that are normally present in the outer layer of the skin, fibroblasts in the dermis (deep layer of the skin) or even pre-adipocytes which are cells with the ability to convert into fat cells, important in the face to maintain plumpness. At the same time, production of new extra-cellular matrix (the substance that abindsa cells together) and microscopic blood vessels take place. Resident fibroblasts are among the cells that are activated by TGF-beta. When a fibroblast is activated it will undergo cell division and produce collagen. Collagen deposition is responsible for plumping the skin and reversing the visible signs of aging.Etc...
Hello, This is a question to BRDI have been reading throughout this post and I came across a doctor in my town that is offering something similar to what is being talked about (I think?) .. Is this similar and what type of lasting effects would this procedure give?? Here is an excerpt from his website.
The idea of ASCeS is not that new and the technology has been used in orthopedic and plastic surgery. Blood contains many growth factors which are indispensible for wound healing. Some of these compounds include platelet derived growth factor, vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF) and transforming growth factor beta 1 (TGF-1). These growth factors attract larger number of stem cells into the treated areas (chemotaxis) and at the same time triggers a cascade of events that leads to tissue repair although in reality no real injury has taken place. The stem cells can change into epidermal cells that are normally present in the outer layer of the skin, fibroblasts in the dermis (deep layer of the skin) or even pre-adipocytes which are cells with the ability to convert into fat cells, important in the face to maintain plumpness. At the same time, production of new extra-cellular matrix (the substance that binds cells together) and microscopic blood vessels take place. Resident fibroblasts are among the cells that are activated by TGF-beta. When a fibroblast is activated it will undergo cell division and produce collagen. Collagen deposition is responsible for plumping the skin and reversing the visible signs of aging.Etc...
Hello Icepick :think:
where is this doctor ? This does sound like the way to go for some people :dance: :dance: :dance:
this stem cell treatment that BRD is talking about seems amazing. I've been following this thread for a while now and reading about these stem cell treatments has brought e a lot of hope back into my life. At the same time I feel very frustrated. There is no clinic where you could hve this procedure done. I had lots of hope about the procedure that Dr Khan is doing ,but after reading that the reults will only last for 12 months, I got really sad. That's just really expnsive restylane, basically. Is this stem cell thing too god to be true or is there still hope? I would do anything to get the treatment that BRD is offering but it is impossible, since there is no clinic in the world that is offering it. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to be negative ,but it just seems like the day that we'll have access to a high quality, long lasting stem cell treatment, seems lightyears away.
This is a new/interesting article I read about French scientists creating skin. I wanted to share it with you guys. Here you go:
French scientists create skin fast from stem cells
Tue Dec 1, 2009 7:38am EST
PARIS (Reuters) - French scientists have found a way to create human skin rapidly from stem cells, a discovery that could save the lives of many burns victims who are vulnerable to infection and now wait weeks for a skin graft.
The scientists made the breakthrough by creating a patch of human skin on a mouse's back using stem cells -- cells which have the ability to develop into any human cell.
Skin grafts have traditionally been created from cell cultures taken from the patient -- a process that takes three weeks, too long for some patients suffering extensive burns.
The new method using stem cells allows hospitals to order human skin as soon as they take in a burns victim.
"What our findings can provide is a way to cover the burns during those three weeks with skin epidermis ... produced in that factory and sent to the physician at the moment they receive a severely burned patient," Marc Peschanski, research director at the institute I-Stem, told Reuters Television.
"They call the factory and then, immediately, they will get a square meter of epidermis which will be a temporary way to cover the burns," he added.
"We grafted cells on the back of a mouse on which we had created a wound, and we observed twelve weeks later that the epidermis had mended itself," said Xavier Nissan, who took part in the study by I-stem, which develops regeneration therapies using stem cells.
In France, 200 to 300 people a year risk dying from severe burns, said Peschanski, who hopes the new method will become a common therapeutic tool.
"So it is really a new hope for those people and really, any one of us could become a severe burns patient," he said. (Reporting by Reuters TV; writing by Sophie Taylor, editing by Tim Pearce)
A Thomson Reuters 2009 All rights reserved
Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews...E5B01MV20091201
All of this is very exciting.I have been following this post since the very beginning and it's so obvious that the stem cells are the answer to all of the problems discussed here. One thing that is bothersome is that scar sufferers are not taken seriously in the medical community.Our medical financial system is not intended for us to heal, that's the sad part. Many of us have been sold on laser and ended up worse than before but in the end they are still selling and pushing new lasers on people. It doesn't make sense to me to burn and melt & shrink wrap the largest organ of the body in order to make it heal. It sets up all kinds of other problems in the future. What is it going to take to bring the stem cells to the forefront so scar sufferers can be treated equally along with other deseases ? Wouldn't now be the right time for people to be heard ? not later. There's plenty of money to make it happen. There's an abundance all over the world. Heck, the treatment already exists ! This treatment needs to be available so that people don't have to travel half way around the globe. When is this going to become reality? Many people are tired of waiting. *** BRD has done a tremendous job in keeping people informed. It's time we form one voice to wake up the medical community that we wont buy their current products of foreign substance fillers, lasers etc. It is our right to use our cells as we please and .We want to use our own cells to heal
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God Bless all of you
All of this is very exciting.I have been following this post since the very beginning and it's so obvious that the stem cells are the answer to all of the problems discussed here. One thing that is bothersome is that scar sufferers are not taken seriously in the medical community.Our medical financial system is not intended for us to heal, that's the sad part. Many of us have been sold on laser and ended up worse than before but in the end they are still selling and pushing new lasers on people. It doesn't make sense to me to burn and melt & shrink wrap the largest organ of the body in order to make it heal. It sets up all kinds of other problems in the future. What is it going to take to bring the stem cells to the forefront so scar sufferers can be treated equally along with other deseases ? Wouldn't now be the right time for people to be heard ? not later. There's plenty of money to make it happen. There's an abundance all over the world. Heck, the treatment already exists ! This treatment needs to be available so that people don't have to travel half way around the globe. When is this going to become reality? Many people are tired of waiting. *** BRD has done a tremendous job in keeping people informed. It's time we form one voice to wake up the medical community that we wont buy their current products of foreign substance fillers, lasers etc. It is our right to use our cells as we please and .We want to use our own cells to heal* :dance: :dance: :dance:
God Bless all of you
yeah probably the hardest thing about dealing with acne scars is dealing with all the scams and false claims from the cosmetic surgery community. Any other type of medical problem and we're dealt with seriously and doctors are intent on curing your problem but with acne scars, you got everybody trying to sell us on everything.
All of this is very exciting.I have been following this post since the very beginning and it's so obvious that the stem cells are the answer to all of the problems discussed here. One thing that is bothersome is that scar sufferers are not taken seriously in the medical community.Our medical financial system is not intended for us to heal, that's the sad part. Many of us have been sold on laser and ended up worse than before but in the end they are still selling and pushing new lasers on people. It doesn't make sense to me to burn and melt & shrink wrap the largest organ of the body in order to make it heal. It sets up all kinds of other problems in the future. What is it going to take to bring the stem cells to the forefront so scar sufferers can be treated equally along with other deseases ? Wouldn't now be the right time for people to be heard ? not later. There's plenty of money to make it happen. There's an abundance all over the world. Heck, the treatment already exists ! This treatment needs to be available so that people don't have to travel half way around the globe. When is this going to become reality? Many people are tired of waiting. *** BRD has done a tremendous job in keeping people informed. It's time we form one voice to wake up the medical community that we wont buy their current products of foreign substance fillers, lasers etc. It is our right to use our cells as we please and .We want to use our own cells to heal* :dance: :dance: :dance:
God Bless all of you
yeah probably the hardest thing about dealing with acne scars is dealing with all the scams and false claims from the cosmetic surgery community. Any other type of medical problem and we're dealt with seriously and doctors are intent on curing your problem but with acne scars, you got everybody trying to sell us on everything.
All of this is very exciting.I have been following this post since the very beginning and it's so obvious that the stem cells are the answer to all of the problems discussed here. One thing that is bothersome is that scar sufferers are not taken seriously in the medical community.Our medical financial system is not intended for us to heal, that's the sad part. Many of us have been sold on laser and ended up worse than before but in the end they are still selling and pushing new lasers on people. It doesn't make sense to me to burn and melt & shrink wrap the largest organ of the body in order to make it heal. It sets up all kinds of other problems in the future. What is it going to take to bring the stem cells to the forefront so scar sufferers can be treated equally along with other deseases ? Wouldn't now be the right time for people to be heard ? not later. There's plenty of money to make it happen. There's an abundance all over the world. Heck, the treatment already exists ! This treatment needs to be available so that people don't have to travel half way around the globe. When is this going to become reality? Many people are tired of waiting. *** BRD has done a tremendous job in keeping people informed. It's time we form one voice to wake up the medical community that we wont buy their current products of foreign substance fillers, lasers etc. It is our right to use our cells as we please and .We want to use our own cells to heal* :dance: :dance: :dance:
God Bless all of you
yeah probably the hardest thing about dealing with acne scars is dealing with all the scams and false claims from the cosmetic surgery community. Any other type of medical problem and we're dealt with seriously and doctors are intent on curing your problem but with acne scars, you got everybody trying to sell us on everything.
I second that. It's like awareness ribbons are needed...
I still feel the problem is people do not believe it is a reality. The see the potential of stem cells but still feel it's 10 to 20 years away.
New Skin Stem Cells Surprisingly Similar to Those Found in Embryos
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/...91209121202.htm
the cost in the UK is about 6000 pounds or roughly 10000 USD.
it appears some doctors in the US are starting to do similar procedures, however, i imagine it's a bit more expensive given the location in beverly hills.
http://hubpages.com/hub/beverlyhillsacnecure
again, i would welcome more result postings on this thread. if the results are good, and more of us take on this procedure, it will become more widespread, and perhaps demand will reduce the cost a little.