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hey, i have not yet told her about this treatment an im not sure if Dr Chu has heard about it yet but i definaltly will as soon as i understand all the information about stem cells correctly.
if BRD could provide me with before and after pictures and his protocol step by step then i could probably get them both onboard with this treatment.
it would probably be done in their private clinics first then mabey on NHS. I also posted the in the scarless healing thread about my testing out the acell powder/sheet. have a look if you can.
here are pics of that fully regenerated mouse tooth BRD was talking about: http://www.pinktentacle.com/2009/08/bioeng...ed-mouse-tooth/
Hey guys,
I'm in South Korea at the moment. I was on a 13 hour flight a few days ago (added to another 17 hours of regional flying and staying at airports) so I was pretty exhausted and did not have the opportunity to visit this site. Anyway, I'm meeting with a few colleagues here and will be touring some places of professional and leisurely interest for the next few weeks.
icaretohelp,
Great work with getting in contact with this open minded doctor in Dubai. Get her to contact me directly (or indirectly through you) as I will have to explain the initial experimental hypothesis, the resultant observations and the theory behind the interplay between PRP, ECM, ADMSC and GF components of the cocktail we've discussed. Once again, your dedication to this cause is extraordinary and you are proof that the patient has the power to change the way things are done in different corners of the world!
v_singh,
As soon as I finish my trials I will send you close up pics with facial features blocked out.
Anyway, I will reply to everyone as soon as my schedule frees up.
Hey guys,I'm in South Korea at the moment. I was on a 13 hour flight a few days ago (added to another 17 hours of regional flying and staying at airports) so I was pretty exhausted and did not have the opportunity to visit this site. Anyway, I'm meeting with a few colleagues here and will be touring some places of professional and leisurely interest for the next few weeks.
icaretohelp,
Great work with getting in contact with this open minded doctor in Dubai. Get her to contact me directly (or indirectly through you) as I will have to explain the initial experimental hypothesis, the resultant observations and the theory behind the interplay between PRP, ECM, ADMSC and GF components of the cocktail we've discussed. Once again, your dedication to this cause is extraordinary and you are proof that the patient has the power to change the way things are done in different corners of the world!
v_singh,
As soon as I finish my trials I will send you close up pics with facial features blocked out.
Anyway, I will reply to everyone as soon as my schedule frees up.
Thanks for the reply. quick quesiton, would it be possible for another doctor/derm to take what you have done and patent it for themselves ? does that mean only the doctor with holding the patent can perform this type of treatment. i think you mentioned earlier that you wont patent what you have already done which is cool, but what about other profit drivin derms ?
also, roughly how long before you finish your trials ? i think i should be able to get my aunt and Dr Chu onboard with this treatment if the results are good.
hiya, I e.mailed the Tiantan Puhua hospital the other day and they replied saying they could,nt help as they don,t do treatments for scarring! Do u think i,ve e.mailed the wrong hospital?
Hi this is Vince from Pittsburgh. wanted to ask you for the persons e-mail adress for the Tiantan Puhua hospital for the treatments. I have many procedures to try and fix some of my damage on my cheeks.
Thanks
Vince
icaretohelp said:ok its been almost 3.5 weeks..dr khan said i should see the full results in 2-3 weeks more.improvment? yes..perfect no..worthwhile? yes..potential to do so much more BIG YES.
when my redness fades from fraxel repair along with some motted pigmentation(working on it) ill be satisifed with my skin..does that mean im going to stop trying to help people here..hell no..im getting as much word out as possible to dr;s all over the world.
im still awaiting some information from BRD so i can discuss it in detail with a dr in dubai who is very interested in his protocol and has the means to do it!
Hello this Vince from Pittsburgh. Would like for you to contact me as I have the funds to travel and do the stem cell procedure. Have had several fraxel repair treatments to try and fix the damage from an IPL I had 2 yrs ago. The damage is mainly in the cheek areas with some atrophy and small indentations. Its not bad but definitely a difference from how it was befoe. Please contact me at [Removed]
icaretohelp said:ok its been almost 3.5 weeks..dr khan said i should see the full results in 2-3 weeks more.improvment? yes..perfect no..worthwhile? yes..potential to do so much more BIG YES.
when my redness fades from fraxel repair along with some motted pigmentation(working on it) ill be satisifed with my skin..does that mean im going to stop trying to help people here..hell no..im getting as much word out as possible to dr;s all over the world.
im still awaiting some information from BRD so i can discuss it in detail with a dr in dubai who is very interested in his protocol and has the means to do it!
ive had to cancel my trip to dubai..its only 25 min by plane as i dont have all he info required.its not a problem though as my ticket was fully refundable..BRD must be ultra busy..but im really excited.this dr is a scientist and shes very interested in what BRD is doing..i spoke to her today and i said i dont have the info (regarding amount of the addiotnal gf for the prp) and she was asking if she could be trained in this protocol that brd put forward..i had to get defensive there and say BRD cant really do this..would you like to talk to her BRD?..she really does want to know more about what you have put forward..shes probably been the most helpful dr ive met and always calls back and emails which i appreciate. she even said she would travel to Sofia to learn more about this..i had to get defensive there again but i just want to put this to you incase your interested in talking to her via email or phone.anyhow BRD let me know what you would like to do.
if you could give me the full script for your customized prp (amount of the additional gf added etc) ill be able to get the process up and running.
Hey guys,I'm in South Korea at the moment. I was on a 13 hour flight a few days ago (added to another 17 hours of regional flying and staying at airports) so I was pretty exhausted and did not have the opportunity to visit this site. Anyway, I'm meeting with a few colleagues here and will be touring some places of professional and leisurely interest for the next few weeks.
icaretohelp,
Great work with getting in contact with this open minded doctor in Dubai. Get her to contact me directly (or indirectly through you) as I will have to explain the initial experimental hypothesis, the resultant observations and the theory behind the interplay between PRP, ECM, ADMSC and GF components of the cocktail we've discussed. Once again, your dedication to this cause is extraordinary and you are proof that the patient has the power to change the way things are done in different corners of the world!
v_singh,
As soon as I finish my trials I will send you close up pics with facial features blocked out.
Anyway, I will reply to everyone as soon as my schedule frees up.
Bulgarian R. Dermatologist said:Hey guys,I'm in South Korea at the moment. I was on a 13 hour flight a few days ago (added to another 17 hours of regional flying and staying at airports) so I was pretty exhausted and did not have the opportunity to visit this site. Anyway, I'm meeting with a few colleagues here and will be touring some places of professional and leisurely interest for the next few weeks.
icaretohelp,
Great work with getting in contact with this open minded doctor in Dubai. Get her to contact me directly (or indirectly through you) as I will have to explain the initial experimental hypothesis, the resultant observations and the theory behind the interplay between PRP, ECM, ADMSC and GF components of the cocktail we've discussed. Once again, your dedication to this cause is extraordinary and you are proof that the patient has the power to change the way things are done in different corners of the world!
v_singh,
As soon as I finish my trials I will send you close up pics with facial features blocked out.
Anyway, I will reply to everyone as soon as my schedule frees up.
Hi my name is Vince from Pittsburgh. Have tried to contact you several times but your mailbox is full. Have had damage mainly in the cheek areas from an IPL 2yrs a go and tried fraxel repair several times a year ago to fix the damage with no success. Damage is not bad but its not the same as before. There is a little volume loss with a few indentations. Also have a few sebaceous hyperplasia on the right cheek area that can tend to be noticeable in some lights although they are small.
Plaese contact me at your earliest convenience at [Removed] to discuss options. Have read your posts for several months now and have done internet research but cant seem to come away with any definitive answers.
Thanks
Vince B
This is the stem cell treatment by Tiantan Puhua. This is from a new correspondent who is in charged of acne scar apparently. When I receive the pictures from them, I will post them. Apparently most of their acne scar patients are referred to them by this korean hospital, https://rnl.co.kr/eng/main.asp . This looks pretty exciting but sadly I do not have the resources to go for this treatment as of now. Most likely I will need to wait at least 2 more years before I can afford this treatment. If anyone is interested in this I can forward the email to you :).Im just curious to know whether BRD thinks this is legit and workable, as I have no medical training and this hospital, being from China, does not give me the greatest confidence. The treatment process and costs are outlined below.
P.S BRD, have you heard of RNL Bio before, its a company specialising in stem cell research, and refers patients to Tian Tan. I wonder if it is a reputable company.
Treatment Procedure:
The new plan will last 3weeks, 2 weeks for stem cell propagation and 1 week for injection. You do not need to stay in hospital after every procedure.
1) we will extract at the most 30ml fatty tissue from your abdomen under local anaesthesia.
2)The fatty tissue will immediately send to lab to isolated and cultured. that will forming new blood vessels, collagen fiber and regennerating tissues.
3) After two weeks, you'll receive two times stem cell injection (with in one week)of your autologous adipose stem cell. For some oversea patients, they don't want to travel again after 6 months for 2nd time injection, so we make the other short term plan for them. because you are not in China, so I recommend the 3 weeks plan to you. If travel again after 6 months will not be a problem, you can have the 2nd injection after 6 month.
Before every injection,you will receive stem cell growth factor injection at the same day. Each time you'll receive 50 millions stem cells.We inject the cell mix with growth-promoting media and use 1ml syringe (every time you will receive 4 syringes) with very thin needle for stem cells injection and roller with needle for stem cell growing factor.
Cost:
The total treatment fee is 58,000RMB (about 8,660USD) which is including 10 years stem cells storage, liposuction, 2 times injection and stem cell growth factor injection. after then, 10,000RMB injection each time.
Concerning before and after photos, most of our patients are send by our Koran cooperative partner( Kora RNL), https://rnl.co.kr/eng/pr/pr_news_read.asp . they keep all the photos and we'll send to you once we get them.
Hi
I have been following this thread for a few months. And is also because of this thread i went to China to try the stem cell treatment in Tiantan Puhua.
It's been 22 days now after having the stem cell injections and i dont see much results. And icaretohelp posted in this thread that he notice results after 8 days.... so im little disappointed that i dont see improvements yet.
Really hope will see some results in the coming weeks since i travel far to get this treatment done and because spent much money.
This is the stem cell treatment by Tiantan Puhua. This is from a new correspondent who is in charged of acne scar apparently. When I receive the pictures from them, I will post them. Apparently most of their acne scar patients are referred to them by this korean hospital, https://rnl.co.kr/eng/main.asp . This looks pretty exciting but sadly I do not have the resources to go for this treatment as of now. Most likely I will need to wait at least 2 more years before I can afford this treatment. If anyone is interested in this I can forward the email to you :).Im just curious to know whether BRD thinks this is legit and workable, as I have no medical training and this hospital, being from China, does not give me the greatest confidence. The treatment process and costs are outlined below.
P.S BRD, have you heard of RNL Bio before, its a company specialising in stem cell research, and refers patients to Tian Tan. I wonder if it is a reputable company.
Treatment Procedure:
The new plan will last 3weeks, 2 weeks for stem cell propagation and 1 week for injection. You do not need to stay in hospital after every procedure.
1) we will extract at the most 30ml fatty tissue from your abdomen under local anaesthesia.
2)The fatty tissue will immediately send to lab to isolated and cultured. that will forming new blood vessels, collagen fiber and regennerating tissues.
3) After two weeks, you'll receive two times stem cell injection (with in one week)of your autologous adipose stem cell. For some oversea patients, they don't want to travel again after 6 months for 2nd time injection, so we make the other short term plan for them. because you are not in China, so I recommend the 3 weeks plan to you. If travel again after 6 months will not be a problem, you can have the 2nd injection after 6 month.
Before every injection,you will receive stem cell growth factor injection at the same day. Each time you'll receive 50 millions stem cells.We inject the cell mix with growth-promoting media and use 1ml syringe (every time you will receive 4 syringes) with very thin needle for stem cells injection and roller with needle for stem cell growing factor.
Cost:
The total treatment fee is 58,000RMB (about 8,660USD) which is including 10 years stem cells storage, liposuction, 2 times injection and stem cell growth factor injection. after then, 10,000RMB injection each time.
Concerning before and after photos, most of our patients are send by our Koran cooperative partner( Kora RNL), https://rnl.co.kr/eng/pr/pr_news_read.asp . they keep all the photos and we'll send to you once we get them.
Hi
I have been following this thread for a few months. And is also because of this thread i went to China to try the stem cell treatment in Tiantan Puhua.
It's been 22 days now after having the stem cell injections and i dont see much results. And icaretohelp posted in this thread that he notice results after 8 days.... so im little disappointed that i dont see improvements yet.
Really hope will see some results in the coming weeks since i travel far to get this treatment done and because spent much money.
Did you have a consult with the Aoluosi clinic in Beijing? Aoluosi seems to have more experience with acne scars and they incorporate more techniques than just MSC.
This is the stem cell treatment by Tiantan Puhua. This is from a new correspondent who is in charged of acne scar apparently. When I receive the pictures from them, I will post them. Apparently most of their acne scar patients are referred to them by this korean hospital, https://rnl.co.kr/eng/main.asp . This looks pretty exciting but sadly I do not have the resources to go for this treatment as of now. Most likely I will need to wait at least 2 more years before I can afford this treatment. If anyone is interested in this I can forward the email to you :).Im just curious to know whether BRD thinks this is legit and workable, as I have no medical training and this hospital, being from China, does not give me the greatest confidence. The treatment process and costs are outlined below.
P.S BRD, have you heard of RNL Bio before, its a company specialising in stem cell research, and refers patients to Tian Tan. I wonder if it is a reputable company.
Treatment Procedure:
The new plan will last 3weeks, 2 weeks for stem cell propagation and 1 week for injection. You do not need to stay in hospital after every procedure.
1) we will extract at the most 30ml fatty tissue from your abdomen under local anaesthesia.
2)The fatty tissue will immediately send to lab to isolated and cultured. that will forming new blood vessels, collagen fiber and regennerating tissues.
3) After two weeks, you'll receive two times stem cell injection (with in one week)of your autologous adipose stem cell. For some oversea patients, they don't want to travel again after 6 months for 2nd time injection, so we make the other short term plan for them. because you are not in China, so I recommend the 3 weeks plan to you. If travel again after 6 months will not be a problem, you can have the 2nd injection after 6 month.
Before every injection,you will receive stem cell growth factor injection at the same day. Each time you'll receive 50 millions stem cells.We inject the cell mix with growth-promoting media and use 1ml syringe (every time you will receive 4 syringes) with very thin needle for stem cells injection and roller with needle for stem cell growing factor.
Cost:
The total treatment fee is 58,000RMB (about 8,660USD) which is including 10 years stem cells storage, liposuction, 2 times injection and stem cell growth factor injection. after then, 10,000RMB injection each time.
Concerning before and after photos, most of our patients are send by our Koran cooperative partner( Kora RNL), https://rnl.co.kr/eng/pr/pr_news_read.asp . they keep all the photos and we'll send to you once we get them.
Hi
I have been following this thread for a few months. And is also because of this thread i went to China to try the stem cell treatment in Tiantan Puhua.
It's been 22 days now after having the stem cell injections and i dont see much results. And icaretohelp posted in this thread that he notice results after 8 days.... so im little disappointed that i dont see improvements yet.
Really hope will see some results in the coming weeks since i travel far to get this treatment done and because spent much money.
Did you have a consult with the Aoluosi clinic in Beijing? Aoluosi seems to have more experience with acne scars and they incorporate more techniques than just MSC.
Yes i had a consultation with them before i decide to try puhua. Aoulosi quoted me 100000 Chinese yuan find it very expensive and they were a little pushy thats why i tried tiantan puhua.
Will wait another week and see if there are some results.
It nice to see people trying out the new treatments. Im not sure as to when you can expect to see results, but keep in mind icaretohelp didnt just do the stem cell treatment. I think he went for quite a few different treatments spaced quite near each other before doing the stem cell treatment. That could possibly be a factor.
Have you done your 2nd injection yet maru? Have you asked them when u can expect to see results?
It nice to see people trying out the new treatments. Im not sure as to when you can expect to see results, but keep in mind icaretohelp didnt just do the stem cell treatment. I think he went for quite a few different treatments spaced quite near each other before doing the stem cell treatment. That could possibly be a factor.Have you done your 2nd injection yet maru? Have you asked them when u can expect to see results?
Dr say normally 2 weeks-1 month can already notice some improvements. Say results come gradually.
Havent done the 2 injections will wait 6 months-1year b4 i do.
If i dont see results probably will go to dr khan since icaretohelp got such good results.
Hey guys I've finally received the pictures from TianTan. Sadly the results do not seem promising. Most of the scars they treated seemed to be rather shallow or perhaps its the low picture quality. The lighting seems rather different too.
Indeed. The lighting seems different. Except in the photos of person #3. Those are good results, too, btw. 🙂 But the photos of person #4, for instance; the 'after' pic is from a different angle and is out of focus... Nevertheless, in the case of person #4, I'd say there was some improvement there but not one that is, like, huge or anything. And I don't see any scars on the first two people... I guess they've had injections to get rid of pigmentation?
Did they say how many injections these people have had?
No mention of how many injections they had. Just those attachments. For the 4th person, her problem seems to be more like burn scar than acne scarring.
The 2nd person seems to have some minor scarring which i really cant determine whether there had been any improvements lol. Overall, the pics seem disappointing to me TBH. Luckily maru has went for the treatment so we can get the first hand review from him rather than just relying on these photos.
