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Hi everyone, I am new to this forum. I am a 49 year old male with moderate acne scarring that has gotten uglier with age and I am in search to improve my looks as I am recently single. I found this board searching about fraxel laser treatment recommended to me by the dermotologist I recently visited. He was not to optimistic about other treatments other than fillers and the Fraxel laser. I was really intrigued as I read this 302 thread - and believe me I am not a gullable person. When the best treatment the medical profession can offer costs thousands of dollars, down time, and at best about a 50-60% improvement, I was quite disappointed. Even if the 302 drops improve your looks 10%, are temporary, and cost $80 - what is the big deal from all of you upset about fraud. My gosh, after reading threads about all the things people are trying to get 10% and 20% results. I am definitely going to give this a try before I commit thousands of dollars to laser treatments with uncertain results. Let's be optimistic that breakthroughs can happen and at least people are noticing improvements with little expense and this is very non invasive - what the heck is wrong with that - even if it looks good for just a few days, it is a treatment that gives noticable results - better than many things I have been reading about on this forum.
Seriously, people who think the 302 is a scam can stop now. You've made your point and unless you have something new to offer about this just stop posting how absolutly positive you are this is a scam. Some people feel they are getting postive results. I would rather read the results of people who are trying it. Time will tell us if this product is a total scam or not. lets just wait and see!
I am a little confused...it seems to me that this product is suggesting that it will clear up acne, if used properly. Has anyone found this to be true? Has anyone using it had active acne? A few people have mentioned that the TC made them break out but no one has broken out from the drops...yes?
Hey guys,
I'm a 36 year old male who has had cystic acne for years, leaving me with many acne scars. I've tried every product to get rid of them, wasting a bunch of dinero with little to no results. Finally I came across 302 protein drops on the internet and decided to give them a try. After using it for two months, the results are fantastic!!!!!! I don't know if this was caused by me trying to take better care of myself or a combination of the two, but I suggest giving this product a try, cuz it worked for me. You guys that doubt it why dont you give it a try and see for yourself.
-Pretty easy to do isnt it. I think more proof than this is needed.
Just a thought from a fairly new member who doesn't want anyone like me looking for help to get ripped off. Lets wait for some good proof and see.
Hello All, newbie here. Did a search on net after noticing yet more new scarring that seems to have appeared in the past few days without me even seeing.. 37 soon to be 38, have suffered from cystic acne since my teens and seems I will have it for my entire life. My biggest problem are the pitted scars, while most not overly huge, they pop up so frequently now and sometimes I don't even know what caused them. I stumbled on this forum and read this topic from beginning to end.. I don't have much money these days but it definately sounds encouraging! Thank you all for your posts and relating your personal experience.. that and having searched for 302 drops on net after reading led me to even more personal experiences elsewhere. What I want to ask may seem a bit 'stingy' for someone who needs a solution to a lifelong problem, but.. does anyone know where can obtain the drops for anything less than the listed $40.00?
Thank you all for your posts and relating your personal experience.. that and having searched for 302 drops on net after reading led me to even more personal experiences elsewhere. What I want to ask may seem a bit 'stingy' for someone who needs a solution to a lifelong problem, but.. does anyone know where can obtain the drops for anything less than the listed $40.00?
I have a couple of questions for nancypick and cubscubs04:
Nanacypick
Did the 61 year old woman have a better improvement on her rolling scars than icepicks? How much did rolling improve? How about icepick? What i'm trying to get at is if this product is MORE effective on rolling than icepick. I have rolling saucer shaped scars.
Cubscubs04
What types of acne scars did you have? When you say acne scars, do you mean indented rather than pigmented (which arent really scars)? Can you give an estimation on the amount of improvement in the indented scars you got if this was your case?
I know this product works well for perfecting skin tone and glow which I love, but I am going through a roller-coaster of emotions over whether it is going to improve my indents or not. It does seem so good to be true! I have been following Richard's regimen since Feb 4th without using the treatment cleanser. Usually when the treatment cleanser is incorporated, improvement seems to increase.
According to a post I read on another site, the "esthecians" can obtain them for $20 a bottle wholesale. So even at $40 it's still a 100% markup. And I'm sure that Dick Huber gets a kickback from that. So this is quite the scam. I'll give them that, this is the slickest one I've seen yet. And sadly, a lot of desperate people looking for a solution are being taken advantage of. By the way, you found more personal experiences posted on another site, could you give a link to that? I did a Google search and couldn't find much of anything about 302 protein, outside of this site. Very suspicious. It all adds up. Want to make a killing off of a "miracle" scar cream? Where would you go to spam? An acne support board is the perfect place! And that is why they have targeted this board. C'mon people, think about it!
I think you didn't see the part where I said I had read all the posts on this topic here.. sorry but I don't wish to partake in your smear campaign.AA You want me to give you a link to the other site with users sharing their experiences on this product?AA No, sorry, won't subject even more people to your negativity and condescension.AA I don't know why you persist, what exactly your personal beef is with this product,AA why you automatically assume that we're all 12 year olds here without enough commons sense to look out for ourselves, and frankly I don't really care.AA I may be a newbie here, but I know how to click "ignore user" ... consider it done.
I have a couple of questions for nancypick and cubscubs04:
Nanacypick
Did the 61 year old woman have a better improvement on her rolling scars than icepicks? How much did rolling improve? How about icepick? What i'm trying to get at is if this product is MORE effective on rolling than icepick. I have rolling saucer shaped scars.
Cubscubs04
What types of acne scars did you have? When you say acne scars, do you mean indented rather than pigmented (which arent really scars)? Can you give an estimation on the amount of improvement in the indented scars you got if this was your case?
I know this product works well for perfecting skin tone and glow which I love, but I am going through a roller-coaster of emotions over whether it is going to improve my indents or not. It does seem so good to be true! I have been following Richard's regimen since Feb 4th without using the treatment cleanser. Usually when the treatment cleanser is incorporated, improvement seems to increase.
Hi All,
It still surprises me to find this thread filled with such anger. Many of us here have been at this for many years. While it's fine to submit your opposition, do realize that we are not all sad, desperate lambs awaiting the protein drop slaughter.
Based on past experience with topical treatments, I no longer build up expectations. Like everyone else, I've been disappointed over and over. So we stop treatment and move on to the next product. This is just another product. We put the hype aside and give it a go.
As for cost, I have been using the same bottle for the past 9.5 weeks. Looks like I'm going to get close to 3 months from one bottle. That's not a bad cost per month amount.
It's always good to remain positive about any endeavor we undertake. So we come to a thread like this and share our progress, good and bad. If the time comes that I determine no further benefit is forthcoming from the product, then I'll move on.
Take care,
Synch
I think it is too early for anyone here to say if this will help scarring. What some of you might wish to do is read some research on lipidic furans. You can go to the US Patent and Trade Office online and read Richard Hubers patents as well as others.
Not all research is published. Many papers and research are know but never get into the mainstream of PUBMED etc. It takes thousands of dollars to publish as well as thousands of dollars for libraries to obtain these. This is why many scientists are organizing their own open access publishing. Lowering the expense of publishing will give availability of information to other researchers.
As far as topicals fixing scars, hmm well what are your thoughts on Retin A? I don't know about you but after 20+ years of using RA I can say that yes it really has done that. Now has it completley rid me of all my scars, no.
The move is away from destroying the epidermis to repair the dermis. Research is showing that the epidermis is important in signaling just what type of cellular differentiation is needed. In other words it communicates with the dermis for repair. Stem cell research is revealing some interesting things about the keratinocyte. The future treatments will be repairing by systemic methods an/or methods from an intact epidermis, top down, not from taking skin off such as lasers, peeling agents etc. Also light and sound will play a big part. We are in early research here though.
As far as 302 Protein Drops. I really like this product. I have used this for 5 weeks now,(Give or take a week or two. I have little time to care about time frames lol). I have had my ups and downs with it. I am using it every other day now. I was using it daily but I found that my skin reached its saturation point and began to look drabby. I don't use the cleanser it broke me out and I tried various different methods with this. So the cleanser is a no go for me . Has this helped with my scarring? Yes some that I can see now. What has it helped with? I had sandabrasion last year that left me with worse orange peel skin on my cheeks. This abrasion left my scars more exposed than ever, unroofing many that had repaired over the years. I have tried everything, topicals, even more peeling agents, IPL, V-beam, microdermabrasion etc. BLah Blah we have all been there. Well the protein drops have soothed my skin, all redness is gone and when I pull my cheeks taut there is less indenting esp. on my right cheek.( Small box car and rolling scars and scarred pores) They are still there but not as deep. Now I see that this looks more like epidermal repair. I think it is too soon for any real collagen(dermal) repair to be noticed. And I have my doubts about this actually removing fibrous scar tissue. But my organe peel skin is going away. This is a biggy for me. As far as pits I have not seen any improvement and nothing on one chicken pox scar I have.
Klicker, LOL! I think they do want free products I'm still using the products and find the redness is still fading, but can't quit comment on the scars as it hasn't been long enough, but I think this a very healing formula.
If people are getting breakouts from the treatment cleanser it is probably because it has olive oil in it and I know anything with olive oil in it always gets mixed reviews on breakouts. People with the breakouts should probably order the new face and body bar, Richard said that would work better for breakouts in another post. I think it is being shipped out starting on the 18th with his other new products.
If I am being scammed, it feels pretty good so far, so no complaints. I don't expects miracles though, and know it takes months to see real results from products so I'm willing to wait and decide on the scars filling in. I think for some people's scars this will not work, however if it improves the appearance of them better than other products, then it is not a scam. I like the fact I'm not peeling like a snake and my skin feels good.
I typed "302 drops" in the google search and i found a little forum where this was said:
> I've read on another forum that
> beginning Feb. 1st a new formulation of the 302 protein drops will be
> introduced, one which contains derivatives of vitamins A and C
> (interesting that they include vitamin C, when their website had said
> that C is not that useful in skin repair, IIRC).
I think it is too early for anyone here to say if this will help scarring. What some of you might wish to do is read some research on lipidic furans. You can go to the US Patent and Trade Office online and read Richard Hubers patents as well as others.
Not all research is published. Many papers and research are know but never get into the mainstream of PUBMED etc. It takes thousands of dollars to publish as well as thousands of dollars for libraries to obtain these. This is why many scientists are organizing their own open access publishing. Lowering the expense of publishing will give availability of information to other researchers.
As far as topicals fixing scars, hmm well what are your thoughts on Retin A? I don't know about you but after 20+ years of using RA I can say that yes it really has done that. Now has it completley rid me of all my scars, no.
The move is away from destroying the epidermis to repair the dermis. Research is showing that the epidermis is important in signaling just what type of cellular differentiation is needed. In other words it communicates with the dermis for repair. Stem cell research is revealing some interesting things about the keratinocyte. The future treatments will be repairing by systemic methods an/or methods from an intact epidermis, top down, not from taking skin off such as lasers, peeling agents etc. Also light and sound will play a big part. We are in early research here though.
As far as 302 Protein Drops. I really like this product. I have used this for 5 weeks now,(Give or take a week or two. I have little time to care about time frames lol). I have had my ups and downs with it. I am using it every other day now. I was using it daily but I found that my skin reached its saturation point and began to look drabby. I don't use the cleanser it broke me out and I tried various different methods with this. So the cleanser is a no go for me . Has this helped with my scarring? Yes some that I can see now. What has it helped with? I had sandabrasion last year that left me with worse orange peel skin on my cheeks. This abrasion left my scars more exposed than ever, unroofing many that had repaired over the years. I have tried everything, topicals, even more peeling agents, IPL, V-beam, microdermabrasion etc. BLah Blah we have all been there. Well the protein drops have soothed my skin, all redness is gone and when I pull my cheeks taut there is less indenting esp. on my right cheek.( Small box car and rolling scars and scarred pores) They are still there but not as deep. Now I see that this looks more like epidermal repair. I think it is too soon for any real collagen(dermal) repair to be noticed. And I have my doubts about this actually removing fibrous scar tissue. But my organe peel skin is going away. This is a biggy for me. As far as pits I have not seen any improvement and nothing on one chicken pox scar I have.