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Hi Everybody,
Just got a email from Richard Huber. I told him about the negativity going on the boards. His note answers the questions we have as to why this product isn't widely advertised or marketed even though it works so well. Richard didn't ask me to post this note publicly, but I don't think he would mind. It has information that would be helpful to 302 users and study participants:
This is Richard's email to me today:
Hi Nancy!
Thanks for writing. I havenAaat read much of the negative stuff, or much of anything because a) I have trouble navigating the site and my attention span is quite short and b) I am so preoccupied with keeping up on all of the new product production and so forth. We sell 99% of our esthetician and dermatologist outlets in California only, by the way, and the recent upturn in internet activity (we introduced the 302 in the first few months of 2004) means a few of those outlets will sell these products on line and so I am rushing to provide them with proper information. Our reference manual for them is over 150 pages long. The regimes are very detailed Aaaoe and product interaction with other things out there can be a huge headacheAaA.as I mentioned we are not compatible with acids, by and large, etc., etc. I think so much of what is done in the way of topicals is just wrong for the skin.
So, I am concerned about these internet sales, but we cannot justify suspending sales to our clients as long as they provide proper instructions and proper product choice Aaaoe which the outlets I am aware of do. I am giving them more information to help (similar to what you will receive in the instruction sheets) Aaaoe even though the reference manual contains all of it, the case by case method in it does not lend itself to an easy tear sheet to give to clients/patients.
By the way, we should have our production shipment of Face & Body Bars in this week Aaaoe that is holding up everything for the study shipments (!!!). Really exasperating Aaaoe they are produced in Rhode Island by a great company and we give them our extracts to incorporate but sometimes it is like waiting for Godot.
We will in the future have a AaAphysicianAaas onlyAa? line which will not be sold on the internet (or we will pull the product from them). We donAaat advertise, never will, wonAaat appear on Oprah or the latest update from Channel 9 and we have been asked Aaaoe itAaas just not our way, it creates a false sense of promise and MIRACLE HERE Aaaoe our only connection to that end of the spectrum is one of the medical spaAaas in LA will provide all the attendees (200!) at the Oscar ceremonies with our bar and facial moisturizer. (Assuming the products ever get out of the production vats).
I enjoy your notes and now let me get back to begging for our production to hurry up. RH
lol i think it is funny that someone registered as "302 protein drops is ascam" just to discredit it without any proof besides intuition.
i mean if you had some real evidence, i would back you 100%. But i mean no one is forcing you to buy it. Just give it some time to see if it works or not.
I'd hate to bust anyone's bubble or anything but I just thought to put my 2 cents into this. If you guys are seeing an improvement in hyperpigmentation in a week thats good. you can even use the word miracilous. BUT if you are seeing your scars "filling in" than that might be due to the fact that this product is superhydrating your skin therefore pluming the surface of it TEMPRARILY. If you think this is bs sop using it for a week or so and watch your skin get back to the way it was before. Filling in of scars takes a long time, you will not and cannot do it in a week or even a month or 90 days. I would say 1 to 2 years at least for any improvement. I'm sorry to be negative about this but I have had my trials and errors before and I've learned the hard expensive way, and those pics they got posted on that website makes me think even more they're full of s@#$. Good luck to you guys as for me my money is staying right in my pocket
I'd hate to bust anyone's bubble or anything but I just thought to put my 2 cents into this. If you guys are seeing an improvement in hyperpigmentation in a week thats good. you can even use the word miracilous. BUT if you are seeing your scars "filling in" than that might be due to the fact that this product is superhydrating your skin therefore pluming the surface of it TEMPRARILY. If you think this is bs sop using it for a week or so and watch your skin get back to the way it was before. Filling in of scars takes a long time, you will not and cannot do it in a week or even a month or 90 days. I would say 1 to 2 years at least for any improvement. I'm sorry to be negative about this but I have had my trials and errors before and I've learned the hard expensive way, and those pics they got posted on that website makes me think even more they're full of s@#$. Good luck to you guys as for me my money is staying right in my pocket
Here is the post:
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QUOTE(melissa333 @ Feb 13 2005, 10:21 PM)
Sorry, again, but just to remind you....302 protein drops cannot be purchased by the general public through the 302 protein website, you must purchase it though a physician or aesthetician. If it were just a mere scam, I believe it would be easier to purchase (like the elicina cream) by utilizing a 1-800 # or directly through their personal website. It clearly states on the bottle for professional use only, so technically you do have to see a dermatologist (or aesthetician), which is what you have suggested...I'm sure it took some time for retin-A to become popular among derms, as well, and the 302 does seem to be a relatively new product. Also, I don't think dermatologists have all the answers, they tout many products/procedures that don't give any desirably results and charge alot more...I think that's a worse scam.
If you have to see a dermatologist or aesthetician to purchase this, how are we all purchasing this on line? I had absolutely no problem buying it. Unfortunately it broke out my skin and I'm now back on Retin-A.
Well, as far as I'm concerned, there's nothing I'd like to believe more than that a topical cream, gel, whatever could actually help fill in scarring. I would give a whole helluva lot for that to be absolutely, 100% true. As much as I'd like to believe, skepticism is a handy little tool that makes sure I spend my hard-earned money in productive ways and not on stuff that doesn't work, so what I'm going to do is wait for some established members of this site to report their results after a few weeks and a few months (like oldguy, and wantperfectskin, aren't you testing it also? I'll be interested to hear what they have to say -- I think they'll shoot us straight for sure .
Until then, for me, the jury's still out, because sometimes you want to believe a product is working so bad that you can't objectively evaluate whether it's working or not. It's hard to be objective when your mental well being and your physical appearance is the issue. Or, sometimes, unfortunately, there are other reasons people offer glowing reviews of a product. Rather underhanded reasons.
Nothing wrong with being skeptical and evaluating all the information before making a decision. At worst, you were wrong and can then choose to spend your money on what works. At best, you saved yourself a handful of Andrew Jacksons and a lot of false hope. But like I said, I won't be reaching for my wallet until I see some unbiased reports from people here who don't have any agenda in reporting the truth.
I don't blame anyone for believing. When it seems such a simple thing to ask just to have your pre-acne skin back, it's hard not to think there's a simple solution. But I hope everyone will try to remember that not everyone out there has your best interests at heart. So while there's no harm in believing, just make sure you do your homework and read up on any product or treatment objectively before you whip out the credit card.
And please, we're all in the same boat. We're all suffering with scars from something that wasn't our fault and we didn't ask for, so there's no need for anger or insults.
Well, as far as I'm concerned, there's nothing I'd like to believe more than that a topical cream, gel, whatever could actually help fill in scarring. I would give a whole helluva lot for that to be absolutely, 100% true. As much as I'd like to believe, skepticism is a handy little tool that makes sure I spend my hard-earned money in productive ways and not on stuff that doesn't work, so what I'm going to do is wait for some established members of this site to report their results after a few weeks and a few months (like oldguy, and wantperfectskin, aren't you testing it also? I'll be interested to hear what they have to say -- I think they'll shoot us straight for sure.
Until then, for me, the jury's still out, because sometimes you want to believe a product is working so bad that you can't objectively evaluate whether it's working or not. It's hard to be objective when your mental well being and your physical appearance is the issue. Or, sometimes, unfortunately, there are other reasons people offer glowing reviews of a product. Rather underhanded reasons.
Nothing wrong with being skeptical and evaluating all the information before making a decision. At worst, you were wrong and can then choose to spend your money on what works. At best, you saved yourself a handful of Andrew Jacksons and a lot of false hope. But like I said, I won't be reaching for my wallet until I see some unbiased reports from people here who don't have any agenda in reporting the truth.
I don't blame anyone for believing. When it seems such a simple thing to ask just to have your pre-acne skin back, it's hard not to think there's a simple solution. But I hope everyone will try to remember that not everyone out there has your best interests at heart. So while there's no harm in believing, just make sure you do your homework and read up on any product or treatment objectively before you whip out the credit card.
And please, we're all in the same boat. We're all suffering with scars from something that wasn't our fault and we didn't ask for, so there's no need for anger or insults.
I'm going to do is wait for some established members of this site to report their results after a few weeks and a few months (like oldguy, and wantperfectskin, aren't you testing it also? I'll be interested to hear what they have to say -- I think they'll shoot us straight for sure
I'd hate to bust anyone's bubble or anything but I just thought to put my 2 cents into this. If you guys are seeing an improvement in hyperpigmentation in a week thats good. you can even use the word miracilous. BUT if you are seeing your scars "filling in" than that might be due to the fact that this product is superhydrating your skin therefore pluming the surface of it TEMPRARILY. If you think this is bs sop using it for a week or so and watch your skin get back to the way it was before. Filling in of scars takes a long time, you will not and cannot do it in a week or even a month or 90 days. I would say 1 to 2 years at least for any improvement. I'm sorry to be negative about this but I have had my trials and errors before and I've learned the hard expensive way, and those pics they got posted on that website makes me think even more they're full of s@#$. Good luck to you guys as for me my money is staying right in my pocket
I'd hate to bust anyone's bubble or anything but I just thought to put my 2 cents into this. If you guys are seeing an improvement in hyperpigmentation in a week thats good. you can even use the word miracilous. BUT if you are seeing your scars "filling in" than that might be due to the fact that this product is superhydrating your skin therefore pluming the surface of it TEMPRARILY.
Hi Everybody,Just got a email from Richard Huber. I told him about the negativity going on the boards. His note answers the questions we have as to why this product isn't widely advertised or marketed even though it works so well. Richard didn't ask me to post this note publicly, but I don't think he would mind. It has information that would be helpful to 302 users and study participants:
We donAaat advertise, never will, wonAaat appear on Oprah or the latest update from Channel 9 and we have been asked Aaaoe itAaas just not our way, it creates a false sense of promise and MIRACLE HERE Aaaoe our only connection to that end of the spectrum is one of the medical spaAaas in LA will provide all the attendees (200!) at the Oscar ceremonies with our bar and facial moisturizer. (Assuming the products ever get out of the production vats).
I agree. These "results" that people are seeing are just an illusion. They are seeing what they WANT to see. I remember thinking the same things when I first tried microdermabrasion, glycolic acid, etc. The first couple of weeks I'd be thinking "wow, my skin in so much better, my scars seem to be fading." But it was always an illusion, my scars weren't filling in, they were "plumped" up from irritation and thus they looked smaller. But they weren't. And in the end I would always end up disappointed, just like all of these 302Protein users will be when they realise this is yet another scam.
Yes, unfortunately, I am one of the minority who did not see improvement and also suffered from additional scarring. I had my second dermabrasion 12 years ago. I believe the technique as well as pre/post dermabrasion care is more advanced now. When performed by a highly skilled physician such as Dr. Y. people are reporting very positive results. I would actually consider having it done again by Dr. Y.
Brenda
I've only used the drops four times so I have no opinion yet if this stuff works, I will post my results good or bad in a couple of weeks. Heres my dilemma, I understand people being skeptical, we have all spent money on products that didn't work, but I say what the hell, it's MY money and I am an adult so I can spend it any way I choose, whats the big deal, if someone doesn't believe that this will work don't buy it, simple as that. but all the negative remarks over and over again, c'mon we get it . Why dont some of these skeptics tell us about a product that has worked for them instead of bashing the product they haven't even tried. We are all here for help, not everything works for everybody, but you never know if you don't try. As for me $75 is alot to spend on a product but if it works then worth every penny, if it doesn't then im out $75 not the end of the world my kids wont miss a meal. So thanks to all who have posted their results I would have never known about this stuff it wasn't for you guys, i appreciate you taking time to inform the rest of us who are keeping an open mind to new products in hopes of results. As for the skeptics keep questioning it's a good thing but there comes a time when you just have to let sleeping dogs lie we have heard your comments and appreciate your opinion, but it's time to move on...thanks for listening
here is a link to the 302 U.S. Patent in case anyone missed it...