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Acne Scars - My Journey - Subcision

 
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Posted : 01/28/2018 12:28 pm

@Quadboythanks for sharing your experience.

I hope it didn't came out as if I hoped for 100% improvement. but a noticeable one, yes, since the doctor did my worst rolling scars - those that actually do have some good space to lift up. tomorrow I will try to make some graphics to show which ones were done, basically its the ones that look like fake dimples.

yeah, regarding the filler, that's the conclusion I reached in the last few days too... next time I ll probably go for filler right away... I will try to get the type of filler which is good to combine with INFINI (i.e. boost collagen production, I think Radiesse is one of those?)
if nothing else, I think I need to look good, even if for only temporarily, for my mental health... just for a while not to be so self-conscious all the time and have some confidence.

I think I generally heal well (apart from from cystic acne obvi). For example, the incision sites from the Nokor? Cant even find where they were anymore. After dermapen sessions I am usually back to normal fairly quickly too.
However, I am pondering how much mental health issues play a role in healing... I barely slept last week. Been having mild insomnia issues.
I am going through sort of a heartbreak situation, plus there s some other stuff, and I generally feel depressed, sad, sleep-deprived... Probably not good for healing either. Altho, I don't believe that's the most essential part of it.

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Posted : 01/28/2018 1:09 pm

You need to rest its important,so get your head down and sleep!

i didnt sleep last night as i contracted food poisoning.
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Posted : 01/28/2018 9:20 pm

EVA I agree with quad, filler is much better for subcision, but of course costs more $$$$. That does seem expensive for Emil, did he give you a price to subcise all scars or is it a set price? IF he is too much fly to Dr Chu in the UK.

Don't be depressed, he treated very few of your scars. It will also require the other parts we discussed in your above treatment plan. Including the peels or laser at the end. They all work in different ways. Sleep and mental health is very very important. It does take a lot of work.

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Posted : 01/29/2018 4:38 am

@beautifulambitionthanks. As a matter of fact, I already contacted Dr.Chu

by the way, what do you think about the hard lump? if I dont mind it aesthetically, since it's very deep under the skin and it's not visible from the outside, can I just leave it there and not care? is it nor harmful? will it be ok to microneedle over it in the future (since it might take good few months til it goes away)? thanks!

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Posted : 01/29/2018 5:39 am

The lump is fine don't worry. It's a hematoma. The doctor can dissolve it if it bothers you with steroid. Think of it as natural filler, unless it shows above the skin. It could go away naturally in a few months, and is completely ok to microneedle over. The only thing I would not do is suction over any lumps like that. You may massage it and see if that helps.

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Posted : 01/29/2018 9:15 am

I went to dr Chu last week and he did subcision on some scars other than needling and TCA cross

I don't want to say it too early but as of now (day 6) they improved a lot....a couple have disappeared altogether and others have improved a good 60-70%. But I want to wait because it may be micro swelling. I also got a lump after subcision but it went away yesterday

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Posted : 01/29/2018 11:58 am

2 hours ago, SimpleMutton said:

I went to dr Chu last week and he did subcision on some scars other than needling and TCA cross

I don't want to say it too early but as of now (day 6) they improved a lot....a couple have disappeared altogether and others have improved a good 60-70%. But I want to wait because it may be micro swelling. I also got a lump after subcision but it went away yesterday

Well, my scars disappeared completely for a week. I really tried not to be too enthusiastic about it cause I knew it might be just an illusion. But I kind of was anyway. Then they started to reappear in week two. I need to take proper pictures tho to compare it.

And how about the TCA sites, how are they looking?
 

3 hours ago, tasinhoooo said:

Dr Chu prices are reallyyyy reasonable and he charges for full face subcision not per scar guys.I hope there is someone on that clinic who can do fillers cause dr Chu only does prp.I will visit him soon.

Whaaaaat? Nooo. :( Dr. Chu doesnt do fillers at all? :( Now I am sort of back where I started again. I kind of decided I wanna do fillers with my next subcision :(  Well, I might get microdneedling with prp then at least, if he suggests that... I always wanted to try.
 

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Posted : 01/29/2018 4:42 pm

1 hour ago, tasinhoooo said:

I asked his secretary if there is someone on that centre that can do fillers.I dont want to proceed on subcision without fillers.Maybe i will take a tca cross treatment too,until i receive my tca peels.EagleEva did you take any supplement or topoicals before/after subcision?

so you're 100% sure that Dr Chu doesnt do them himself?
yes, plenty. I am supplementing collagen (youtheory + powder mixed with HA too), vit C, zinc. Occasionally I add something more. (I am big on supplements.) Same goes for topicals: Healer gel (special product to heal quicker, has some growth factors in it too), pure HA serum, peptide+collagen serum, now also vit C. You see, I am rather crazy on that front. Plus, obviously I moisturize when needed and when I suction (jojoba oil atm). Then I have plenty of products for acne for local use since pimples are still with me, ocassionally they flare up (like right now). So yeah...

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Posted : 01/29/2018 9:54 pm

Hey guys, think outside of the box. Go get your subcision with prp from Chu as it's cheap you say for a full face. Then get the filler done locally to where you live by a expert injector. Watch youtube should be some doctors and nurses on there who are expert injectors, realself.com, or whatever sites are used for reviews... etc... Just make sure the swelling is going before you get the filler. You don't want to do filler when there is swelling.

If it's a price thing which is better for your do what you think is best. Traveling also costs to one vs the other. Again Get the subcision done by chu. Wait till the swelling goes down in a few days and have a expert injector (dr or nurse) .....inject you . They both are good doctors, chu charges less because he does not use filler also but does PRP with sub. If you don't want to hunt for a injector goto Emil to have filler done at the same time.

EVA use your experience with swelling and re-tethering to know around when you should get filler. You do it before it re-tethers. Did the doctor, "Emil" say the cost difference between filler subcision and just subcision EVA or does he just charge the same regardless?

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Posted : 01/30/2018 4:28 am

@beautifulambitionI am super open to thinking outside the box, however, don´t know well enough what is possible - for example i thought from reading around here, that you should get your filler at the same time as subcision - so as to fill the "pockets". 

 
Otherwise, sure, I can find a master injector in my country for fraction of the price of Denmark or UK. But I will be afraid they won´t know where exactly to fill and I will get the donut effect.
 
Listen, I think I might have been given this price since it was the first appointment and it might somehow have included the "consultation". And when I become a regular I would start getting better prices. My hypothesis at least. As for the price with filler: his website states that the price for subcision + 1m filler costs 5000DKK = 670 EUR. I asked him if he thought 1ml will be enough for my face and he estimated it could be enough for my whole face.
Of course I could ask him about the prices before coming back. But I feel a bit annoyed right now cause I e-mailed him with a set of questions ten days ago (regarding post-subcision care and questions about other treatments he offers like what type of lasrers) and he didn't get back to me yet.... :/
Do your doctors (or their assistants) talk to you via e-mail when you have questions or concerns like that? Should I be expecting that?
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Posted : 01/30/2018 5:24 am

Just now, tasinhoooo said:
@beautifulambition which ine works better as a spacer,prp or HA filler?Its not about the money and travel cost,but dr Chu has a price plan for full face and treatments.Dr Emil counts on scars and you dont how much you gonna pay,thats the difference.

not sure about that. seriously, i dont think he counts per scars. I mean what a full face of scars price then be? I know his website says so but then in real life it s different I think.

and PRP is not a spacer, is it?

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Posted : 01/30/2018 6:22 am

I can give you a plan PM me

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Posted : 01/30/2018 7:08 am

@beautifulambition

thanks so so much,  I really appreciate your tohrough clarification 

just one last thing, can you point me in the right direction where I can learn about different type of fillers (which are suitable for what; I wanna learn  which one s good for acne scars per se, what is good when I wanna create more collagen production (pre-infini), etc etc)

EDIT: ALREADY FOUND IT in your FAQ - will read it thoroughly! thanks
 

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Posted : 01/30/2018 8:01 am

One week has passed and my scars that got subcised still have an 80% improvement (one has disappeared completely)....hope they stay like that and it's not the swelling :(

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Posted : 01/30/2018 8:25 am

@EagleEvaThere are tons of filler brands, even the UK / EU has several brands other places don't. Juvederm is regarded as the best worldwide. Look a the top of the scar solutions sub, first post faq, fillers section. Your scars are surface oriented so several things would work like Beletero, Restylane, Juvederm Volbella. These are all soft HA fillers. Sculptra can be injected deep down in the cheeks but is less for surface scarring and more for fat deficiency, ... it's not a HA product.

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Posted : 01/30/2018 3:11 pm

10 hours ago, EagleEva said:
@beautifulambitionI am super open to thinking outside the box, however, don´t know well enough what is possible - for example i thought from reading around here, that you should get your filler at the same time as subcision - so as to fill the "pockets". 

 
Otherwise, sure, I can find a master injector in my country for fraction of the price of Denmark or UK. But I will be afraid they won´t know where exactly to fill and I will get the donut effect.
 
Listen, I think I might have been given this price since it was the first appointment and it might somehow have included the "consultation". And when I become a regular I would start getting better prices. My hypothesis at least. As for the price with filler: his website states that the price for subcision + 1m filler costs 5000DKK = 670 EUR. I asked him if he thought 1ml will be enough for my face and he estimated it could be enough for my whole face.
Of course I could ask him about the prices before coming back. But I feel a bit annoyed right now cause I e-mailed him with a set of questions ten days ago (regarding post-subcision care and questions about other treatments he offers like what type of lasrers) and he didn't get back to me yet.... :/
Do your doctors (or their assistants) talk to you via e-mail when you have questions or concerns like that? Should I be expecting that?

EagleEva i'm not sure which page you are looking at since he has 2 pages, but this one  http://acnespecialist.dk/priser/  is the new and revised page. His office sent me this link after i called them for a booking with dr Emil. 
When it comes to questions, you can write these to me and i will try and ask him the questions as i am considering subcision + filler as well in the long run - they will be relevant for me as well. I have an appointment with him in about two weeks in Odense. And keep in mind the first consultation costs 1000 kroner = about 150 euro. 

But please keep us updated about your journey. Also if you decide to pay dr Chu a visit. For me personally this is a big help, as i might visit Chu as well. 

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Posted : 01/30/2018 3:34 pm

What type of fillers uses Dr Emil Henningsen? All sorts of HA fillers? On his old homepage he only listed Restylane.

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Posted : 01/30/2018 6:22 pm

So guys if do subcision with prp,how will it last?I saw on myself that with less than 1/2 ml,that filler(restylane)stayed on my skin for more than 5 months(without subcision and really bad doctor who couldnt inject properly).So can prp keep my subcised scars un-tethered for 3 months?I want to do an intracel session with filler after 2-3 months.Thanks.

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Posted : 01/30/2018 10:18 pm

@tasinhooooPRP is not meant to last. It is NOT a filler. It helps your body heal quicker, and "can" stimulate collagen. The filler is the thing that will last. You said you had 5 months with Resty so you will have 5 months again probably. One is a stimulator, the other is for volume and lift. There are other fillers that last longer but they can cost more. Please read my lengthy advice above. You wait till the skin's inflammation goes down and have someone fill it weather Emil or locally. Same with PRP. PRP is not necessary but "could" help. It depends on your body's ability to heal, your budget, and down time availability. Think of PRP as a supplement to make your collagen grow, it's up to you if you do it or not.

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Posted : 01/31/2018 5:25 am

I've had Radiesse and I hated it. It is way too hard to be used for filling scars If you are overinjected it can cause ugly lumps and feel hard to the touch. It is more of a sculpting type of filler used for enhancing cheeks or the chin. Plus, it's an old filler and not reversible (although it does go away over a very long time).

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Posted : 01/31/2018 8:38 am

3 hours ago, dazzed said:

I've had Radiesse and I hated it. It is way too hard to be used for filling scars If you are overinjected it can cause ugly lumps and feel hard to the touch. It is more of a sculpting type of filler used for enhancing cheeks or the chin. Plus, it's an old filler and not reversible (although it does go away over a very long time).

wow, thanks for sharing this. I actuallywas intrigued by Radiesse since I am looking for something that will help build more collagen over time than instant gratification (I wanna combine filler with INFINI, more for the overall filling of my sunken cheeks than just scars)
So if I choose a HA filler for filling in the scars I should be safe as for the lumps? Is Restylane good for this?

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Posted : 01/31/2018 9:01 am

@incepticon

wow, what is this website? :D You are right - I consulted the old website which is entirely in Danish so it was rather challening.:))
Anyway, they told me pre-visit via e-mail that if you choose treatment on the same day, the consultation fee will be deduced from the final price. 

Thank you so much for your offer - I hope they will get back to me by the time you visit him :) But in general, now I am interested to know what filler he uses and what woud the price of a whole face sub+filler be.

good luck to you in Odense :) update me on your experience with him, please!

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Posted : 01/31/2018 1:06 pm

@EagleEvaWell, he just updated his prices, they about doubled. Right now i consider undergoing a dermapen treatment on my cheeks as a beginner since i just finished accutane so i don't really dare doing invasive procedures yet. But I will of course start a thread with before/after pictures once i start my acne scars treatment journey. It will be an interesting journey i'm sure. Im strongly considering visiting doctor Chu during the summer vacation.

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Posted : 01/31/2018 7:36 pm

Instead of spending money on a dermapen treatment, I think maybe save it for a future treatment. Many offices charge a ridiculous amount dermapen.

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Posted : 02/01/2018 11:58 am

22 hours ago, incepticon said:
@EagleEvaWell, he just updated his prices, they about doubled.

Emil doubled his prices? Interesting.

His before & afters are under totally different lighting conditions.
Leaves not a good impression overall.
But it's not his fault if we got corrupted by this naive belief in some magical outcome.

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