Haha omg even Dr. Davin Lims pictures are under conplete different lighting. Don't believe everthing you see on the internet without tried it yourself.
Um..this is actually part of the problem why so much money is burned. Docs use different lighting/angles in the afters all the time to camouflage the true outcome. Scar revision is matched by limited success rates. At least for patients with real scarring issues.
You have zero scars, kid.
Be happy with yourself
@tasinhoooo Please calm yourself down. There's nothing to worry about, as long as you keep your expectations realistic. Please do not cancel your consultation with Chu. Choosing docs with good reputation is the best you can do.
It's just a bad move from Emil doubling prices after he got some recognition, that's all.
You will see improvement on your scars.
No one treatment can make acne scarring go away,especialy just one treatment.
it takes many treatments and many types of treatment not to mention healing time.only then will you get realy good results.
one treatment of subcision,performed correctly will decrease your scarring.if you get filler chances are better for a good % of improvement,with suction the % may or may not decrease.
subcision needs to be combined with other treatment types like,tca cross and tca peels for better % improvement.
How I already said. Subcision + Filler is the only way to go. Stretch your skin and if it looks better it will work
@tasinhoooo
Nice Dude.
@EagleEva
sorry Honey
On 31/01/2018 at 7:06 PM, incepticon said:@EagleEvaWell, he just updated his prices, they about doubled.On 01/02/2018 at 5:58 PM, CoconutRough said:Emil doubled his prices? Interesting.
Wow. Guys, can we please just chill?
First off, don't know how long have you been following him and his prices but if you take time to compare this old website: http://emilhenningsen.dk/priser/ and the new one you gave me: http://acnespecialist.dk/priser/ the prices are just the same so what are you talking about? I have been following for almost a year and doubling of prices certainly didn't happen. Please, let's not spread panic and disinformation around here.
The before and after pics actually seem very honest.
I was so busy last week but I promise I ll show some photo update tomorrow. Some scars show small progress, some not so much.
Also, I made an appointment with Chu in 4 weeks. He saw my pics and thinks I ll need sub + TCA cross + PRR dermapen. So we'll see how that goes.
Here it comes, some pictures. There s really just not so much to show.
Also, I feel I'm really bad at taking pictures of scarring....
I marked the sites which were subcised. There was 5 incision points altogether.
The area around corner of my mouth (and the whole nasolabial fold area) is covered in scars but not too deep so in this areas the Dr hit pultiple scars. One of them was actually really deep (I thought it was icepick) and it has lifted 50% up. This one is not very visible on the pics since it is near the mouth.
However, there are two big rolling scars that are really indented/tethered down. I am sure you will see which ones I mean. On the left side this one looks like a fake dimple. On the right side it is on my cheekbone.
I exected that these two will show a noticeable result. However.... I do not think much happened.
Typically, in the morning I see some nice improvement but during the day the scars get gradually worse...
Oh, so, tomoroow it will be exactly 3 weeks since subcision. Plus 10 days of suction (I still suction like once a day but the owndoc pump broke:/)
As of now, I don't find this subcision did much to me.
I am seeing Chu in 4 weeks. From what I have heard, he doesn't do fillers though and - looking at these pictures once again now- I feel I really need a filler next time.: (
I add the frontal picture once again - you can see that I have tons of scarring on the meaty parts of my cheek, under the eyes. It is shallow scarring though. Scarred pores, boxcars, but also one compound scar which is partially hypertrophed (!) and three small line scars, where you can clearly see the white scar tissue, a little bt under the surface. (All this diagnosis was confirmed by Dr Emil.) Oh well... such a mess I wanted to ask you what type of resurfacing will help me in this area more - peels or Infini? I dont think theres much to subcise.
And one last question, rather controversial one: what do you think about facelift? I often feel it would help us, scars sufferers a ton. It s not discused much though.
Thx for updating .
Please stay focused & don't overreact. Your skin looks not that bad at all. There are alot of users who underwent shitload of treatments to have skin like yours someday.
Furthermore you have zero rolling scars (this guy has some rolling scars 1 . wider areas+ fat loss's going on)
Your deeper scars are all boxcar. Subcision+ prp will not fill these scars in most cases.
I don't understand what you expect to gain if you're switching docs. What does Dr Chu better than Emil?
Have a look at @il90( 1 ). She has some similiar scarring, underwent same procedures with Chu & saw almost no improvement. Please study her topcis.
The conclusion is as always: Scar revision (long-term results, not fillers) takes alot of time (years) & improvement greater than 40-50% is just luck. Even in best hands.
15 minutes ago, CoconutRough said:Thx for updating .
Please stay focused & don't overreact. Your skin looks not that bad at all. There are alot of users who underwent shitload of treatments to have skin like yours someday.
Furthermore you have zero rolling scars (this guy has some rolling scars 1 . wider areas+ fat loss's going on)
Your deeper scars are all boxcar. Subcision+ prp will not fill these scars in most cases.I don't understand what you expect to gain if you're switching docs. What does Dr Chu better than Emil?
Have a look at @il90( 1 ). She has some similiar scarring, underwent same procedures with Chu & saw almost no improvement. Please study her topcis.
The conclusion is as always: Scar revision (long-term results, not fillers) takes alot of time (years) & improvement greater than 40-50% is just luck. Even in best hands.
Hm, why I feel I'm not the one who's overreacting here?
1. I don't expect to gain anything. London is more convenient for me than a small town in Danish countryside. I found out that Chu is so much more affordable than I anticipated. Also, I can still come back to Emil whenever I wish and I think I will. But why not to see someone who's an expert in and has decades more experience if I have the opportunity? Even if only for a consultation? Feels really weird that I should I explain myself to yo. You thought I was switching docs because I m not satisfied with results of the first subcision? hahaha, then you're wrong.
2. hm, Emil said I do have some rolling scars.
3. this comparing of someone's skin to someone else's who got it "so much worse"... it s all over this forum and just so useless. and you know that. I could say the same thing about half the threads here, posters who have very little and very textural issues and act as if they looked like complete monsters. but I don't.
so youÅe kind of convinced sub + PRP (without fillers) won't do much for me. what will in your opinion?
2 hours ago, EagleEva said:Here it comes, some pictures. There s really just not so much to show.
Also, I feel I'm really bad at taking pictures of scarring....I marked the sites which were subcised. There was 5 incision points altogether.
The area around corner of my mouth (and the whole nasolabial fold area) is covered in scars but not too deep so in this areas the Dr hit pultiple scars. One of them was actually really deep (I thought it was icepick) and it has lifted 50% up. This one is not very visible on the pics since it is near the mouth.However, there are two big rolling scars that are really indented/tethered down. I am sure you will see which ones I mean. On the left side this one looks like a fake dimple. On the right side it is on my cheekbone.
I exected that these two will show a noticeable result. However.... I do not think much happened.
Typically, in the morning I see some nice improvement but during the day the scars get gradually worse...Oh, so, tomoroow it will be exactly 3 weeks since subcision. Plus 10 days of suction (I still suction like once a day but the owndoc pump broke:/)
As of now, I don't find this subcision did much to me.
I am seeing Chu in 4 weeks. From what I have heard, he doesn't do fillers though and - looking at these pictures once again now- I feel I really need a filler next time.: (I add the frontal picture once again - you can see that I have tons of scarring on the meaty parts of my cheek, under the eyes. It is shallow scarring though. Scarred pores, boxcars, but also one compound scar which is partially hypertrophed (!) and three small line scars, where you can clearly see the white scar tissue, a little bt under the surface. (All this diagnosis was confirmed by Dr Emil.) Oh well... such a mess
I wanted to ask you what type of resurfacing will help me in this area more - peels or Infini? I dont think theres much to subcise.
And one last question, rather controversial one: what do you think about facelift? I often feel it would help us, scars sufferers a ton. It s not discused much though.
To me your scars look more textural, therefore i don't think subcision will have great affect on you except a few rolling scars. I can see one in your last pic on your right cheek, that might need subcision+filler. But for textural, i'm confident infini or dermapen 2,5mm will do a lot. Emil doesn't do infini but he does 2,5mm dermapen. I've researched dermapen a lot on the internet, most are much more content with that (2.5mm) than with lasers.
Also i think it's a great idea to visit Chu as well. Decades of experience means a lot. Next week i'm visiting dr Emil, i'll post before+after pics as well when time comes.
you still have a week to heal,even more if you dont go for 4 weeks for treatment.
I did my own with a 23g hypo needle and just finished my second subcise and i stopped suction on left of my face,i got at least another 8 days of suction on the right side.
i can tell you hand on heart it made the difference that tca peeling couldnt.strong peels helped but just dissolved the edges and lessened the appearance but subcision released the deeper tethered down areas fir sure,my tca thread was updated with pics and i still got healing time to wait.looking in the mirror i can see how much nicer it looks even in shadows.
the thing with subcision is,some scarring is still stubborn so without filler giving that lift and making things appear smoother you have to make do with what the results are.
once subcision dosnt improve things we must switch to different treatment types.
rolling scars are pita,i know from my own experience,the subcision needs to be done genetaly lower in the skin and no filler makes it harder to get that lift.you will get some lift for sure though,then once you get the healing phaze done switch to maybe tca peeling,if you got some ice pick then tca cross them,even cross can be pita,take it from someone who knows,as sometimes the scars need treating multiple times to get them to react and lift,same gos with subcision without filler.
but you are gonna need 4 weeks healing if your a good healer to get the benefit of healing,you got weeks ahead now to heal.
I'm not sure how a member of this forum having consultations/treatments with both of Europes most highly regarded subcision specialists can be seen as anything other than valuable information and an opportunity for balanced comparison?
I for one am looking forward to @EagleEvafeedback regarding your consultation/treatment with Chu, I think it will help many of us who are indecisive over which Doctor to go with, best of luck with it and please keep us posted, it's very much appreciated!
How I already said: Add some filler and be done. Refill every year and be happy. Don't waste your money for things like dermapen, which you can even do at home
1 hour ago, EagleEva said:than a small town in Danish countryside.
fairy tale location, for real . this is where the magic begins..
My opinion on scar revision is divided. I'm not an expert by no means or "convinced" by anything. Listen to the professionals. Not the grumpy, semi-ones
I would just be happy with yourself & your skin. "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."
Your scars are far from disfiguring or distracting. But maybe you have to go through all these trials & errors first to realize that.
Once again: Infini will do NOTHING for you. Get some filler and laser or peels and you will get the results you want
IMO it's much cheaper to refill every year than always try some things which won't work How do you think Davin Lim gets his results? Right. The most comes from the fillers. I'm out for now. Too many people here without knowledge.
These are the results you can expect from sub filler and laser Decide yourself if it's a waste of time and money
Dr. Chu is for sure a waste of time because he does no fillers
How I already said always get the sub with filler or you can let it be
Dont be sad and pray, Bro. For men it isn't that bad to have scars. My girlfriend didn't even noticed them until I've told her. But with sub and fillers I even got 60 percent improvment
I never said that you have problems with girls I only said in general that men with scars have it easier than girls
(even Brad Pitt, Adam Levine and Oliver Giroud have acne scars). And they are known as hottest men alive
I had a problem with my scars, too. Otherwise I wouldn't have got treatments in the past
If sub and filler are done PROPELY you can do it on the same day and only need one treatment (own experience). Good look, Bro. Keep your head up.
7 hours ago, Leon1994 said:I never said that you have problems with girls
I only said in general that men with scars have it easier than girls
(even Brad Pitt, Adam Levine and Oliver Giroud have acne scars). And they are known as hottest men alive
I had a problem with my scars, too. Otherwise I wouldn't have got treatments in the past
If sub and filler are done PROPELY you can do it on the same day and only need one treatment (own experience). Good look, Bro. Keep your head up.
Who did your sub+filler procedure?
Dr. Wolfgang Thriene , Munic, Germany. Very honest doctor. He does not push laser, but he says that fractional CO2 is as good as TCA if it's done correctly and that's true when I look at my results Can't understand the people here who are no doctors and say that CO2 is the badest thing ever
11 minutes ago, Leon1994 said:Dr. Wolfgang Thierne, Munic, Germany
Huh, him again. I think he's also the only one that has a review about subcision on jameda. Albeit for nasolabial fold.@firefishalso had some treatment done by him.
If you don't mind me asking, how was your experience/the result? And how much?
Would say round about 50-80 percent improvment. It's not perfect and will never be but much better than most results here from 3 subs without filler It was 900 for one side. That's ok I think