Your very welcome,
If dermapen is free, by all means do it t the same time, sounds like a nice doctor.
Different people heal differently from these things. I take weeks, others its days. You should be fine for the wedding, nothing makeup won't cover, the swelling is bliss after subcision, like a natural filler 😉 IF you heal that quickly you be perfect for the wedding.
22 hours ago, QuanHenry said:Needling is scary at first but I think you will be okay. It sounds like you have a thoughtful doctor looking after you too.
im honestly not scared of the procedure (ill have local anesthetic from the subcision already) its more of any bad side effects - someone on here who was helping me early on in my thread posted this horror story (to show me risks etc) and i was instantly put off by the damage.. but my doc assures me any horror story you hear about dermapen is due to inexperience/bad skill/wrong settings etc (and in the story the lady had just gone to like a day spa kind of place, not an actual doctor.. that might be it ha!) Im just going to do it!! My doctor is lovely, she emails me personally after hours etc, absolutely amazing 
21 hours ago, beautifulambition said:Your very welcome,
" i wonder why vacuum doesn't work for some but does for others. When i undergo subcision i don't feel like i even have wounds. Im swollen for 2 days max then back to normal - do you still think i should wait a week before vacuuming?"
Scar size, texture, healing ability, depth, ability, poor healers. The body naturally wants to tether those scars.
Yes wait a week, it will not attach in a week, you need to heal, otherwise blood will come out of the incisions.If dermapen is free, by all means do it t the same time, sounds like a nice doctor.
Different people heal differently from these things. I take weeks, others its days. You should be fine for the wedding, nothing makeup won't cover, the swelling is bliss after subcision, like a natural filler 😉 IF you heal that quickly you be perfect for the wedding.
Is she using a nokor to subcise you?? Those leave slits as they are scalpels.
ok one week it is. All the threads ive read through have started around day 3 (and by then im basically back to normal)
my swelling looks great but only for about 2-3 days.. then its back to reality haha, but with a smoother looking surface (in my opinion)
but when i talk about my healing time its in regards to subcision alone, ive never combined with derma pen and ive only taken one day off work (day of procedure) so fingers crossed lol
to be honest, ive never watched her so i have no idea about the needle but i assume so, i believe that's what she's described the needle to be. It definitely does leave 'incision sites' but only maybe 3 or 4 (as you can see in my very first lot of pics after the procedure) and they're gone very quickly and dont bother me at all, theyre not usually even that obvious!
Feeling pretty down these last couple of days. As soon as i start feeling ok about my looks (have a good make up day etc) - i alwaus get brought back down to reality by a car mirror or the reflection of myself in my phone.. how can it be that they have no overnight cure for this yet. Ive been browsing this site since i was about 12 years old (now 25) and it astonishes me to find there's still no quick 'overnight' cure.. if one at all.
i know i wouldnt be alone in saying that id spend whatever amount to be done with scarring.. ANY amount. Most people save for house deposits.. whilst i save for scarring treatments..
im so envious of people that don't even give their skin a secomd thought.. while mine drives me into absolutely insanity. I'm noticing myself being socially isolating. Im so tired all the time. Im obsessive. I feel like all people will focus on about me is my scarring.. so much so that im looking at ways to improve other aspects of my face.. work done on my teeth, lip injections, eyelash lift/curl.. the list goes on.
it would be great to, just for one day/night even, not have to think about my scarring. Sadly, i feel like thats pretty impossible at the moment 
4 hours ago, 91baby said:Feeling pretty down these last couple of days. As soon as i start feeling ok about my looks (have a good make up day etc) - i alwaus get brought back down to reality by a car mirror or the reflection of myself in my phone.. how can it be that they have no overnight cure for this yet. Ive been browsing this site since i was about 12 years old (now 25) and it astonishes me to find there's still no quick 'overnight' cure.. if one at all.
i know i wouldnt be alone in saying that id spend whatever amount to be done with scarring.. ANY amount. Most people save for house deposits.. whilst i save for scarring treatments..
im so envious of people that don't even give their skin a secomd thought.. while mine drives me into absolutely insanity. I'm noticing myself being socially isolating. Im so tired all the time. Im obsessive. I feel like all people will focus on about me is my scarring.. so much so that im looking at ways to improve other aspects of my face.. work done on my teeth, lip injections, eyelash lift/curl.. the list goes on.
it would be great to, just for one day/night even, not have to think about my scarring. Sadly, i feel like thats pretty impossible at the moment
Micro-droplet silicone injections might be what you need then. It is pretty much the only thing that can give us what we are looking for unfortunately. Although, some argue the risk is too great so do your research first.
The intense obsession with your flaws usually comes from somewhere (psychologically). I should know. Perhaps try to understand why you feel the way you do.
I think basically everyone here knows how you feel, 91baby. But please, stay strong. We cant give in - not yet. We can not let acne scars bring us down. I also agree with you - i seriously can not understand why there is nogreattreatment for acne scars. I mean, it shouldnt bethatdifficult to treat your skin in 2017. I find it strange. I really do.
6 hours ago, Robertitoo said:Some people need 3-5 subcisions to get to the point where they are comfortable with their scars. You could consider coupling it with microneedling once a month or so. Also there's fillers. Don't give up yet.
i wish i could say Id feel comfortable with my scars after improvement but i think id be lying. Even if i had major improvement, i honestly believe the fact that theres ANY unevenness or the SLIGHTEST dent ill just obsess and obsess. Theres a girl i work with and she's got scarring and she just owns it, shes treating with fraxel and shes so open about it and so happy all of the time.. i dont speak to anyone about my treatments in fear of drawing more attention to my face.. you know? Thats one of the reasons i started this thread. Im definitely going to continue with subcision and combine with dermapen.. its just the 'in between' and the 'waiting'.. if i knew for a fact that fillers would make my skin flawless, even for 6 months, id do it for the rest of my life! No matter the cost. It really sucks to live my 20s feeling this way!!
6 hours ago, il90 said:Micro-droplet silicone injections might be what you need then. It is pretty much the only thing that can give us what we are looking for unfortunately. Although, some argue the risk is too great so do your research first.The intense obsession with your flaws usually comes from somewhere (psychologically). I should know. Perhaps try to understand why you feel the way you do.
I definitely have something psychological going on.. but i put that down to the scarring 100%. Even when i had just the acne i was super confident.. i didn't obsess, i didnt isolate myself.. i honestly believe if the scarring vanished i could actually be the person i want to be. Its impossible to do that when you feel disfigured
have you had any experience with silicone? Or know anyone who has.. or heard any stories of remarkable improvement? Might be worth looking into if im not happy with the subcision/suction/needling etc. At this point im not too fussed about risks in the future, as long as im happy in the present!
thanks hun x
@keving100do you know what sort of procedures dr lim specialises in? Is there any before/afters you could point me to? Or stories? Im in adelaide so id have to go interstate.. which is hard in itself when ive just started a new job.. having to go back and fourth would be difficult.. but if its worth it id give it a go.
i hope you find what youre looking for in America. Are there no drs/procedures available in canada?
1 hour ago, 91baby said:@keving100do you know what sort of procedures dr lim specialises in? Is there any before/afters you could point me to? Or stories? Im in adelaide so id have to go interstate.. which is hard in itself when ive just started a new job.. having to go back and fourth would be difficult.. but if its worth it id give it a go.i hope you find what youre looking for in America. Are there no drs/procedures available in canada?
He specializes in most of the acne scar treatments: subcision, TCA CROSS, infini rf, lasers, fillers
you should look him up on youtube and his website. he seems really passionate about treating acne scarring. Most docs dont like to treat acne scarring cuz it doesnt fetch them much money
Watch his videos 91baby on Youtube search "lasers and lifts" it's all on his videos 😉 Also as you know Silicone even microdroplet is illegal in Australia as it has been deemed unsafe as a filler. Dr. Lim and many of the top PS / Derms do not user permanent filler. Permanent fillers = permanent problems, 7-10 years after injection is when the side effects happen. It's a perfect surface for bacteria, grandulomas (even in small microdroplets) and other skin issues, this is why only a handful of doctors do it in the world( it's not deemed safe). As one ages it does not go away so it can shift to other areas. In fact their was two terrible cases on realself.com who posted just this last week who had micro silicone injections years ago. Dr. Lim and all the top PS / Derms use HA fillers which can be reversed if any issues or Bellafill (permanent filler) which is approved by the AUS government for complying with the health department. As I have mentioned before on the boards all one needs is stimulation by a HA filler and the body makes collagen (this is why we use filler under subcision), not a permanent artificial substance in the body, the body should be replacing those temporary fillers so no more treatment is needed, if not one can look into fat as a filler which is great for the cheeks and permanent.I have more information I can paste if you wish to know more.
5 hours ago, keving100 said:He specializes in most of the acne scar treatments: subcision, TCA CROSS, infini rf, lasers, fillers
you should look him up on youtube and his website. he seems really passionate about treating acne scarring. Most docs dont like to treat acne scarring cuz it doesnt fetch them much money
thanks for that ill look him up
i think ive seen him answer questions on realself, he seems very knowledgeable.
my current dr is extremely helpful, she emails me out of hours and wants to combine my current subcision treatments with dermapen at no extra cost, im very happy with her. No harm in looking into other drs though.
thank you!
5 hours ago, beautifulambition said:Watch his videos 91baby on Youtube search "lasers and lifts" it's all on his videos 😉 Also as you know Silicone even microdroplet is illegal in Australia as it has been deemed unsafe as a filler. Dr. Lim and many of the top PS / Derms do not user permanent filler. Permanent fillers = permanent problems, 7-10 years after injection is when the side effects happen. It's a perfect surface for bacteria, grandulomas (even in small microdroplets) and other skin issues, this is why only a handful of doctors do it in the world( it's not deemed safe). As one ages it does not go away so it can shift to other areas. In fact their was two terrible cases on realself.com who posted just this last week who had micro silicone injections years ago. Dr. Lim and all the top PS / Derms use HA fillers which can be reversed if any issues or Bellafill (permanent filler) which is approved by the AUS government for complying with the health department. As I have mentioned before on the boards all one needs is stimulation by a HA filler and the body makes collagen (this is why we use filler under subcision), not a permanent artificial substance in the body, the body should be replacing those temporary fillers so no more treatment is needed, if not one can look into fat as a filler which is great for the cheeks and permanent. I have more information I can paste if you wish to know more.
I will check it out, thanks :D! I actually had no idea silicone was illegal in Australia ha! Fancy that. 7-10 years huh? Maybe not a good idea then.. i thought maybe in 30 or so years haha..
do you know what makes bellafill 'permanent'? What makes it different from the rest of the temporary fillers? Ive heard of this one but wasnt sure about it.
i wish i could get fillers and continue with subcision but it doesnt seem like an option *sigh* I guess ill just be as patient as possible as i still want another 3 to 4 rounds of subcision.
if you have info on using fat as a filler that would be great. I have read up on it a bit.. all i seem to find is cases where it has either not made a difference at all, all where it did at first and then the fat was absorbed (apparently quite pricy too)
thanks for all your help and information i truly appreciate it!
5 hours ago, beautifulambition said:Watch his videos 91baby on Youtube search "lasers and lifts" it's all on his videos 😉 Also as you know Silicone even microdroplet is illegal in Australia as it has been deemed unsafe as a filler. Dr. Lim and many of the top PS / Derms do not user permanent filler. Permanent fillers = permanent problems, 7-10 years after injection is when the side effects happen. It's a perfect surface for bacteria, grandulomas (even in small microdroplets) and other skin issues, this is why only a handful of doctors do it in the world( it's not deemed safe). As one ages it does not go away so it can shift to other areas. In fact their was two terrible cases on realself.com who posted just this last week who had micro silicone injections years ago. Dr. Lim and all the top PS / Derms use HA fillers which can be reversed if any issues or Bellafill (permanent filler) which is approved by the AUS government for complying with the health department. As I have mentioned before on the boards all one needs is stimulation by a HA filler and the body makes collagen (this is why we use filler under subcision), not a permanent artificial substance in the body, the body should be replacing those temporary fillers so no more treatment is needed, if not one can look into fat as a filler which is great for the cheeks and permanent.I have more information I can paste if you wish to know more.
Could you point me in the direction of finding the studies that say problems will come in 7-10 years with the microdroplet injection technique? I have yet to see any. However, I have seen a couple that have done great 30 years on...?
Don't send me photos of people who injected a ton of silicone in the 70s that is hardly the same thing, we are talking minuscule amounts here.
Bellafill can't be reversed either?
I have posted this information in past posts we have exchanged, please review them, you rejected this concrete info I provided. We have gone in circles about this issue for some time, you are determined to get your micro silicone injections, and I do wish you well with that. I cannot change peoples minds or hearts, I can just educate those who want my help. I encourage you to come back in 7-10 years and tell us of your scar success ( maybe well have longer lasting HA / fillers be then ;-). Do what you need to do to be healthy mentally and aesthetically, that's the point, for you to be happy.
You realize as someone in the aesthetics field, there is no micro..., is micro when the Dr uses what amount on a syringe, and how does that amount look (oval, a line, a blob, a peanut)? It's his / her finger controlling it, what is micro to one could be double that micro to another. Silicone migrates even if you do such a minuscule amount it cannot be seen by a human eye. Maybe your scars are so small that micro injections will be fine. For many here we have major fat loss, or wide spread shallow scars. One can micro all they want but to get that lifelong fill you need volume. Hence this isn't micro any more, how can it be logically. Even with a tiny bit of collagen around the ball. It will take many balls to plump up the worst of these scars. It is not a controlled substance like Bellafill that goes through a 20 step safety process test to make sure its completely spherical and lab controlled. It does not have the data from lab animals and repeatability for the desired outcome. Remember Bellafill was Artefill before they learned from their mistakes (They had to make changes). The balls were too large, not completely spherical, nor did it have a good safety record. Their were too many balls in the filler's liquid carrier. The FDA and doctors were suing the company that made the product. They went bankrupt, and were bought out. The current company got the filler reformulated, FDA approved, and approved specifically for acne scars with 10 years of safety data on Belafill. Why would so many doctors choose Bellafill over silicone, ... silicone is so much cheaper. Also why would Australia which is extremely strict like the UK approve Bellafill, and the US FDA, but no one has approved silicone for acne scars (specially for acne scars). Bellafill is predictable and reliable. It does have side effects in some people, but less than Silicone which is not approved for this nor does it have the data to back it up, Dr's go by the scientific method (repeatable).
You know I don't believe in permanent fillers (they equal permanent problems). But if I was to choose (and I could not choose fat) I would choose Bellafill. I don't trust a doctors fingers (that could fail), nor a history of un predictability vs. predictability. I also have seen, hundreds of studies and videos of people ageing our bones shrink and our faces sag, do you want that bump in the same place in 10 years or to migrate elsewhere? I suppose you could always get surgery or try to break it up somehow. I know many doctors won't do facelifts or facial surgery if you have any filler in your face let alone silicone they will end the appointment. What if you get sick, silicone is known as a invader to the body, it will fight that area as a immune response. But maybe none of this will happen to you, you'll be a lucky one and have no complications, it will help you be happy, that's all that matters.
I had sculptra and that does help induce collagen production, it's very subtle, and can be layered with fillers, it was first used with HIV patients years ago and now is used by women who are aging and losing fat, or those who are athletic and fat deficient.
IF anyone has a history of scarring (after healing), auto immune, adult acne, or other rashes / conditions. I would be very careful before getting a permanentfiller.
90% of people who need filler do not need permanent. They need collagen stimulation. They subcise and they need the body to fill in that area (not re tether) with some collagen. HA is naturally found in the body and it can be dissolved. Eventually you need less and less (and not as frequent) because the body creates collagen / scar tissue. When I tell people to get it with subcision, I am not saying for the rest of their life. Also what if you hate it, ... if I had a penny for every person who says they hate their filler job I'd be rich. Have you tried HA first to make sure you like the look and where they put it, permanent is permanent when you do Silicone / Bellafill.
Dr. Jason Emer, the one who posts all over realself.com, he offered me silicone micro injections years ago when I saw him. He now only offers Bellafill. His reason, it is FDA approved, and has a safety record fr 10 years as approved for acne scar patients. Many doctors are doing new methods of fat grafting for acne scars now as a permanent filler. The problem is you cannot use it on smaller scars, just larger areas of fat deficiency. They even do "micro", fat injections.
Here is a famous Plastic Surgeon also on Real Self.
https://stevenfweinermd.wordpress.com/2015/12/07/bellafill-is-a-unique-safe-long-lasting-filler/
Bellafill is a Unique, Safe, Long LastingFiller
Bellafill is a one of a kind dermal filler. What makes it unique is its longevity, composition, and FDA approved indications. Although FDA approved in 2006 for improving the nasolabial folds, there have been 2 recent studies that have expanding its indications. These are the use of Bellafill for acne scars and data which shows at least 5 years of correction from a Bellafill treatment. Both of these studies are ground breaking, with no other fillers able to make these claims.
Bellafill is a mixture of 20% PMMA (Poly Methyl Methacrylate) and 80% Bovine Collagen. PMMA has been used medically for over 50 years as an implant. The PMMA in Bellafill is uniform smooth spheres of 40 micron diameter. The spheres elicit an inflammatory response, which stimulates the body to create a collagen capsule around these spheres. The size of the spheres is important, because at 40 microns, the body is unable to phagocytize the PMMA (digest), leading to the prolonged longevity of the product. Being smooth, the inflammatory response is subdued, minimizing the uncontrolled inflammation found in granulomas. Prior to Bellafill injection, a dermal test is needed to see if the patient is allergic to the Bovine collagen and this takes 28 days to determine the results. The Bovine collagen in Bellafill provides a temporary correction for about 2-3 months, until the bodys own collagen is created.
Acne scarring causes significant psychosocial problems for millions of Americans. Isolation, depression, suicidal thoughts, and poor self-esteem are just some of the many issues these individuals suffer from. Bellafill is used to improve the appearance of the rolling type (scars that flatten when stretched) of acne scars. It is injected into the dermis, to elevate the scar. The results are immediate, but improvement is noted over the next 12 months. The FDA study showed that approximately 0.1cc was needed per scar, and most patients required 2 treatment sessions. There were no major complications noted and everyone was followed for 12 months. Satisfaction rated by the patients was over 90% at 12 months.
No filler on the market has published data showing persistent corrections at the 5 year mark. Bellafill studied 1008 patients for 5 years. Retention rate was 87%. Satisfaction rates at every year including the 5thyear was 80% or higher. The granuloma complication rate was 1.7%, which is comparable or better than all other fillers. With treatment, the granuloma rate was less than 1%. With corrections lasting at least 5 years, it is easy to see how Bellafill is actually a very economical filler as well.
Bellafill truly is unique amongst the dermal filler in regards to its longevity and use for acne scars. It is currently only available from a select group of physicians who have been trained by the company. Dr. Weiner is a physician trainer, lecturer, Key Opinion Leader (KOL) and on the physician advisory board for Bellafill. Dr. Weiner is actually a Bellafill patient as well, having been recently injected with 8 syringes of the product.
4 hours ago, beautifulambition said:I have posted this information in past posts we have exchanged, please review them, you rejected this concrete info I provided. We have gone in circles about this issue for some time, you are determined to get your micro silicone injections, and I do wish you well with that. I cannot change peoples minds or hearts, I can just educate those who want my help. I encourage you to come back in 7-10 years and tell us of your scar success ( maybe well have longer lasting HA / fillers be then ;-). Do what you need to do to be healthy mentally and aesthetically, that's the point, for you to be happy.
What are you talking about? I didn't ask for a BellaFill commercial but actual studies and proof of what you are saying is true (that in 7-10 years the microdroplet injections will fail). You keep reciting that different doctors say this and that but in all honesty we all should know that doctors have vastly different motives for doing what they do. I have yet to see good results from BellaFill. Frankly, it cannot produce the same results.
You are very much allowed to argue against Silicone (microdroplet injections of it) but you need to to so logically. If what you are saying that in 7-10 years most likely you will have complications then give me proof of that. Actual studies. That some plastic surgeons have switched to BellaFill tells me nothing as they are hardly ever successful in achieving lasting results anyhow. Furthermore, a lot of them have monetary motives that has nothing to do about the safety of the patient. However, I am very interested in actual evidence because that might sway my opinion.
I actually found a study that checked a patient 30 years on, who was doing great. If you would like I can hunt it down.
We will have to simply disagree, I really do wish you well. This isn't productive, I spent a lot of time(s) to respondto you. You refuse (choose to not) read any data I provide (people believe what they want to), you are rude ("Is this a Bella fill commercial") and don't provide through critical analysis of what is presented.
White papers are written by doctors, who are beholden to pharmaceutical companies. Your study about 30 years of silicone is old and by a doctor (JG Barnett, CR Barnett, her dad was a specialist in this years ago) shehas financial interested in Silicone for profit in aesthetics (that's her specialty $$$$$$$$), nobody does silicone anymore, there is something there, not Dr. Lim, not any of the top Aesthetics Drs, go on real self it's like a few doctors who keep Promoting it, thousands do Bellafill just for acne scars). IF your going to do Micro Silicone I hope you do it with Dr. Barnett, not someone else in the UK.
The results of silicone micro injections are not impressive, it's a bunch of swelling for a few years which looks great because of the bodies foreign body reaction to a foreign substance (this is not 7-10 years down the line), what about when it migrates. Most people here do not have superficial scars , they need lots of filler, micro becomes not micro when you inject in large amounts.
People have injected themselves with all kinds of things trough out times for beauty, including glass beads, bee venom, sheeps fat. So I am sure after 30 years I could find someone with good results from anything. Your not proving your point, it's not FDA or Australia's Ministry of Health approved specifically for acne scar treatment. You have no recourse with your health regulatory board for off label uses of products. Where will this doctor be in 10 years to fix any problems( it's off label), no one else will touch it. Goto Google Scholar there are hundreds of white papers on Bellafill from various sources (remember you only gave me a choice of permanent fillers between Bellafill and Micro silicone, not fat or HA both found naturally in the body and stimulate collagen healing,.... neither Silicone / Bellafill are the best choice to impulsively go run out and get for someone who has never tried any fillers before and know they like the outcome but want a more permanent option), for Micro silicone injections there is nothing on Google Scholar.
I will continue to educate those about silicone who have no idea of the side effects who ask on this board, it is my due diligence for public safety and informed decision. We get FDA medicines because they have a safety record for usage of that condition. Of course doctors have financial interests, I don't, I just want people happy and safely healed.
Goodluck, enjoy your silicone micro injections I hope it brings you happiness.
15 hours ago, Rdnhey said:U want too much too soon. The best way is subcision plus HA temporary filler... and years. Good luck
of course i want it soon haha, surely its reasonable to want normal skin.. skin is everything. Scarring would have to be the most displeasing thing to look at on a face. Every other flaw is nothing in comparison. Imo anyway.
I think youre right and that's probably the path I'll be going down. Thank you
23 hours ago, beautifulambition said:I have posted this information in past posts we have exchanged, please review them, you rejected this concrete info I provided. We have gone in circles about this issue for some time, you are determined to get your micro silicone injections, and I do wish you well with that. I cannot change peoples minds or hearts, I can just educate those who want my help. I encourage you to come back in 7-10 years and tell us of your scar success ( maybe well have longer lasting HA / fillers be then ;-). Do what you need to do to be healthy mentally and aesthetically, that's the point, for you to be happy.
You realize as someone in the aesthetics field, there is no micro..., is micro when the Dr uses what amount on a syringe, and how does that amount look (oval, a line, a blob, a peanut)? It's his / her finger controlling it, what is micro to one could be double that micro to another. Silicone migrates even if you do such a minuscule amount it cannot be seen by a human eye. Maybe your scars are so small that micro injections will be fine. For many here we have major fat loss, or wide spread shallow scars. One can micro all they want but to get that lifelong fill you need volume. Hence this isn't micro any more, how can it be logically. Even with a tiny bit of collagen around the ball. It will take many balls to plump up the worst of these scars. It is not a controlled substance like Bellafill that goes through a 20 step safety process test to make sure its completely spherical and lab controlled. It does not have the data from lab animals and repeatability for the desired outcome. Remember Bellafill was Artefill before they learned from their mistakes (They had to make changes). The balls were too large, not completely spherical, nor did it have a good safety record. Their were too many balls in the filler's liquid carrier. The FDA and doctors were suing the company that made the product. They went bankrupt, and were bought out. The current company got the filler reformulated, FDA approved, and approved specifically for acne scars with 10 years of safety data on Belafill. Why would so many doctors choose Bellafill over silicone, ... silicone is so much cheaper. Also why would Australia which is extremely strict like the UK approve Bellafill, and the US FDA, but no one has approved silicone for acne scars (specially for acne scars). Bellafill is predictable and reliable. It does have side effects in some people, but less than Silicone which is not approved for this nor does it have the data to back it up, Dr's go by the scientific method (repeatable).
You know I don't believe in permanent fillers (they equal permanent problems). But if I was to choose (and I could not choose fat) I would choose Bellafill. I don't trust a doctors fingers (that could fail), nor a history of un predictability vs. predictability. I also have seen, hundreds of studies and videos of people ageing our bones shrink and our faces sag, do you want that bump in the same place in 10 years or to migrate elsewhere? I suppose you could always get surgery or try to break it up somehow. I know many doctors won't do facelifts or facial surgery if you have any filler in your face let alone silicone they will end the appointment. What if you get sick, silicone is known as a invader to the body, it will fight that area as a immune response. But maybe none of this will happen to you, you'll be a lucky one and have no complications, it will help you be happy, that's all that matters.
I had sculptra and that does help induce collagen production, it's very subtle, and can be layered with fillers, it was first used with HIV patients years ago and now is used by women who are aging and losing fat, or those who are athletic and fat deficient.
IF anyone has a history of scarring (after healing), auto immune, adult acne, or other rashes / conditions. I would be very careful before getting a permanent filler.
90% of people who need filler do not need permanent. They need collagen stimulation. They subcise and they need the body to fill in that area (not re tether) with some collagen. HA is naturally found in the body and it can be dissolved. Eventually you need less and less (and not as frequent) because the body creates collagen / scar tissue. When I tell people to get it with subcision, I am not saying for the rest of their life. Also what if you hate it, ... if I had a penny for every person who says they hate their filler job I'd be rich. Have you tried HA first to make sure you like the look and where they put it, permanent is permanent when you do Silicone / Bellafill.
Dr. Jason Emer, the one who posts all over realself.com, he offered me silicone micro injections years ago when I saw him. He now only offers Bellafill. His reason, it is FDA approved, and has a safety record fr 10 years as approved for acne scar patients. Many doctors are doing new methods of fat grafting for acne scars now as a permanent filler. The problem is you cannot use it on smaller scars, just larger areas of fat deficiency. They even do "micro", fat injections.
Here is a famous Plastic Surgeon also on Real Self.
https://stevenfweinermd.wordpress.com/2015/12/07/bellafill-is-a-unique-safe-long-lasting-filler/
Bellafill is a Unique, Safe, Long Lasting Filler
STEVENFWEINERMD ™¦ DECEMBER 7, 2015 ™¦ 2 COMMENTS
Bellafill is a one of a kind dermal filler. What makes it unique is its longevity, composition, and FDA approved indications. Although FDA approved in 2006 for improving the nasolabial folds, there have been 2 recent studies that have expanding its indications. These are the use of Bellafill for acne scars and data which shows at least 5 years of correction from a Bellafill treatment. Both of these studies are ground breaking, with no other fillers able to make these claims.
Bellafill is a mixture of 20% PMMA (Poly Methyl Methacrylate) and 80% Bovine Collagen. PMMA has been used medically for over 50 years as an implant. The PMMA in Bellafill is uniform smooth spheres of 40 micron diameter. The spheres elicit an inflammatory response, which stimulates the body to create a collagen capsule around these spheres. The size of the spheres is important, because at 40 microns, the body is unable to phagocytize the PMMA (digest), leading to the prolonged longevity of the product. Being smooth, the inflammatory response is subdued, minimizing the uncontrolled inflammation found in granulomas. Prior to Bellafill injection, a dermal test is needed to see if the patient is allergic to the Bovine collagen and this takes 28 days to determine the results. The Bovine collagen in Bellafill provides a temporary correction for about 2-3 months, until the body™s own collagen is created.
Acne scarring causes significant psychosocial problems for millions of Americans. Isolation, depression, suicidal thoughts, and poor self-esteem are just some of the many issues these individuals suffer from. Bellafill is used to improve the appearance of the rolling type (scars that flatten when stretched) of acne scars. It is injected into the dermis, to elevate the scar. The results are immediate, but improvement is noted over the next 12 months. The FDA study showed that approximately 0.1cc was needed per scar, and most patients required 2 treatment sessions. There were no major complications noted and everyone was followed for 12 months. Satisfaction rated by the patients was over 90% at 12 months.
No filler on the market has published data showing persistent corrections at the 5 year mark. Bellafill studied 1008 patients for 5 years. Retention rate was 87%. Satisfaction rates at every year including the 5th year was 80% or higher. The granuloma complication rate was 1.7%, which is comparable or better than all other fillers. With treatment, the granuloma rate was less than 1%. With corrections lasting at least 5 years, it is easy to see how Bellafill is actually a very economical filler as well.
Bellafill truly is unique amongst the dermal filler in regards to its longevity and use for acne scars. It is currently only available from a select group of physicians who have been trained by the company. Dr. Weiner is a physician trainer, lecturer, Key Opinion Leader (KOL) and on the physician advisory board for Bellafill. Dr. Weiner is actually a Bellafill patient as well, having been recently injected with 8 syringes of the product.
Thanks again for all the info. I suppose you're right, it would be super risky to put a foreign substance like silicone in my skin permanently.. that might just be an avenue i take if all else fails down the track.
i will stick with subcision and start suctioning after my next round in february. Im hoping i can suction after dermapen?? :s and i will be speaking with my dr about temp fillers also.
I wanted to note, a couple of years ago now i came across a girl on this site who had success with dermal grafting in Brisbane. I got in touch with that particular dr's nurse who helped me a lot through email. I never went ahead because it has a fair amount of downtime and i would have to pay to be interstate for that downtime period to get the sutchers removed/follow up etc (Brisbane is pricy compared to adelaide). Plus if there were complications weeks after, id have to fly back.. it was just a bit messy.
what are your thoughts on dermal grafting? This particular girl was over the moon.. unfortunately she had no before or afters.. and the nurse said she had none to show me of the dr's work either.. hmm, is that a bad sign i wonder?
although my dr isnt documenting my progress with photos!
Which form of dermal grafting? I had dermal grafting where they cut the tissue behind my ear and inserted it and my body absorbed it. Did absolutely nothing. Such a waste, in retrospect I should have just done filler. Their is also dermal grafting where they lift the scar with a punch and fill small pits with the tissue and I hear the tissue can not match up and haven't heard of good results.
Of course you can vacuum after sub / micro. But wait a week for it to heal, then suction for a month to a month and a half daily. There was a girl on here who vacuumed right after her sub, and her wounds did not heal. Let the body repair the surface and then vacuum. Dr. Rapaport has a weird thing he makes his patients take asprin pre sub (a day before) so they bruise on purpose. Hence potential collagen and scar tissue grows under the spot.
I believe in Aus you get money from the govt for acne scars as it's considered a condition, unlike here t's all out of pocket aesthetics. This is how Dr. Lim offers his patients filler and laser for their insurance.
You can always document your journey with us, and it will help others.
I was talking about the first one. Thats so disheartening, have you read her thread on here? She was treated in brisbane and said the scars have been basically reversed, completely leveled skin and now just looking into a peel for the redness left over. She was really informative.. no pictures though. Well im glad i didnt book it all in and go ahead with it. Im suprised there was NO result for you, i wouldve surely thought SOME would come from it!
yes i will, thankyou! Do you think taking aspirin a day before would benefit me also?
yes after reading through thread after thread, I've realised how lucky i am to only be paying minimal amounts for my treatments at the moment. Im yet to find a private health fund that covers any skin-related condition though? Thats why i havent bothered getting private health cover. But my consultations are always partially covered by medicare which is great. And fillers are quite cheap in comparison to what im told they are in the U.S.
i will continue documenting for sure - if i have any sort of improvement id like to be able to help in any way possible.
someone on here pm'd me about threads regarding constant massage and how effective they are.. would you know anything about this? I would imagine the constant rubbing would surely do more harm than good!
aww hunni so sorry your feeling so low. This will go in one ear and come straight out the other I know but your so beautiful that people wouldn't even notice your scarring and if they did they would look straight past it. If any girls inparticular were to stare atyou then they are more than likely wishing they had your eyes, hair, teeth etc. Coming from one girl to another it really doesn't take away from your looks at all. Improve your skin by all means, that's what we are all here for but it's such a shame that a very pretty girl can't see what wesee.
@91baby don't be dis heartened. Some procedures work for some people and not for others. I know for sure subcision and filler works for a bunch of people. It's the only thing that really works, microneedle helps a little but the first 2 work. Will your skin every be perfect. Nothing is perfect. Good enough is when you can move on and just enjoy life. Acne scar treatment is a process, sometimes taking many years. But once you get some confidence from treatment, then you can not feel stuck, and that feels good. Why do you feel bad about dermal grafting, filler does the same thing and better? This completely level thing, sounds fake, or she had minimum scars. 90% of the time these people are Photoshoped (you never saw pic)... Filler can add volume and that makes things more level. But they have to do some work on you first as the texture is uneven. Your on a good path and have a great doctor. Also that thing with the massage is crazy, why would you massage the skin, you have to be objected who you listen to on here, people are trying to sell things, and have ulterior motives. When I give you something I tried it myself, I studied hundreds of white papers, I worked in a clinic before, and I have nothing to gain. I always defer back to your Dr.s Decision, they are treating you and see you in person.;-P Want everyone happy and healthy
On 27/01/2017 at 11:09 PM, beautifulambition said:@91baby don't be dis heartened. Some procedures work for some people and not for others. I know for sure subcision and filler works for a bunch of people. It's the only thing that really works, microneedle helps a little but the first 2 work. Will your skin every be perfect. Nothing is perfect. Good enough is when you can move on and just enjoy life. Acne scar treatment is a process, sometimes taking many years. But once you get some confidence from treatment, then you can not feel stuck, and that feels good. Why do you feel bad about dermal grafting, filler does the same thing and better? This completely level thing, sounds fake, or she had minimum scars. 90% of the time these people are Photoshoped (you never saw pic)... Filler can add volume and that makes things more level. But they have to do some work on you first as the texture is uneven. Your on a good path and have a great doctor. Also that thing with the massage is crazy, why would you massage the skin, you have to be objected who you listen to on here, people are trying to sell things, and have ulterior motives. When I give you something I tried it myself, I studied hundreds of white papers, I worked in a clinic before, and I have nothing to gain. I always defer back to your Dr.s Decision, they are treating you and see you in person.;-P Want everyone happy and healthy
so do you think id benefit more from continuing with subcision (and adding in dermapen and suctioning) or going straight for fillers now that ive had 2 subcisions? I have a wedding im in on the 4th of march (the weekend after my next subcision) and its important to me that i look good! And photograph well lol.. as there will be professional photography obviously. Im thinking going down the 'fillers route' on the 27th of feb rather than the subcision as that would more so take care of my issue, dont you think? Advice on this would be great!
Ask if you can take a cancellation and come in earlier to do it. This will give you more time to recuperate. But as I recall you heal quick,from quick before or was it subcision. Sure do microneedle and filler and subcision.They do filler and subcision with the same needle as they use to inject.
If you are going to a wedding, I'd use something like benefit professional to fill and blur the scars. it's used under your makeup, and you can also have it professionally done. The texture will not be 100% smooth but will look better I am sure.
@beautifulambition thanks but my dic has said that subcision and fillers need to be spaced apart by at least a week or 2 (can you believe that??) My question is more around which one to do as both at the same time isnt an option apparently. Would i be best to continue on with subcision and add in dermapen and suctioning? Or just go straight into fillers (and nothing else) for instant results?
my only concern is that my right side's scarring is more like little valleys and dents. It looks more like a whole pitted area rather than large single scars like my left side. Would my right side still be suitable for filler having said this? Ive heard filler is only beneficial for individual scars not a whole area of valley-type scars - pics below for comparison
This is the left side which i feel filler would respond to due to individual scars and the rolling scar area
this is the right side that i believe may not respond well as theres a lot of valley-type scars and skin that looks 'nicked' rather than larger individual scars