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BGD,Do you think this is legit? It's close to where I am so I might go get a consultation and the details....
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That was an interesting site. Strange how it's now no longer viewable, though..
By the way, I cant open the link where it says: Contact us here for more information. (the first link on the same page). Can you copy paste what's in there please if it opens with you.That was a link to their e-mail adress. I thought it was [email protected] but I'm not sure.
Anyway, it's nice to know that BRD still keeps an eye on this thread. I'll ask my derm what he knows about stem cell therapies for scars the next time I see him.
I don't know if you still need the e-mail, I clicked on the link and it said: aywellness@aol.com
After going through the posts I noticed that someone said an Australian office was using PRP therapy. I checked out the website and it says that the initial consultation is free. Its funny, I don't like going to a derm that charges excessive fees because it makes them look money hungry but by the same token, a free consultation makes it look like they are struggling and hence don't have such a good reputation. I am considering going anyway as there is nothing to lose, and given the improvement that Icaretohelp has had I am interested in trying it out. Has anyone been to this place who lives in Aus?
http://www.facetoday.com.au/about-our-cosm...actitioners.asp
Thanks for the video I do not have acne. It's really interesting.
It seems that the stem cells is really on track in Asia. And they also have what BRD suggested, that is multiplying the stem cells till we have millions of them to inject. It's true that the video didn't show anything about acne scars, but i'm sure there's some1 there who does it or atleast some1 ready to do it.
Is it risky.. I don't know.
Do you guys know any way how we can get in touch with those hospitals? It's hard to find them on the web. Any suggestions?
Thanks for the video I do not have acne. It's really interesting.It seems that the stem cells is really on track in Asia. And they also have what BRD suggested, that is multiplying the stem cells till we have millions of them to inject. It's true that the video didn't show anything about acne scars, but i'm sure there's some1 there who does it or atleast some1 ready to do it.
Is it risky.. I don't know.
Do you guys know any way how we can get in touch with those hospitals? It's hard to find them on the web. Any suggestions?
Yeah, it's interesting indeed. I was amazed when I saw that that man could actually move his hand again, for instance. That was pretty amazing. Just like the stem cells being able to fix that other man's heart problems. 🙂
Anyway, I don't know how to get into contact with these foreign doctors/hospitals. But maybe there are some .org members who are from that area who do. If I remember correctly there were some people who replied in this thread who actually had some of these doctors/hospitals on the phone.
I've played with the thought of going out there but I don't think it's likely that I will. My situation isn't of the gravity that I feel the need to travel half way across the world, spending a small fortune for the airplane trip alone to get a treatment. I don't have that much of a problem waiting a few years until it's available in Europe. At the end of this documentary they said it might take "up to ten years" before stem cell treatments are available in the US. So that would be in 2016 or 2017. lol That's still a long time from now, though. 😉 But it might be sooner. And if I can contribute to it ending up being sooner I surely will. 🙂
Btw, the other day, I watched this American cop show called 'Eleventh hour'. And it had a plot revolving around stem cells. It was kind of rediculous, though. You had these corrupt people running a stem cell center. One character who was obsessed with perfection died because she injected too many stem cells into her face, causing tumors which led to her suffocation. It was kind of gross how they did the make up effects. :confused: Anyway, at the end the main characters (who were both really attractive, of course :rolleyes:) judged superficial people who wanted to "turn back time". I didn't really know what to make of the show. But I thought it was interesting to see that stem cells turned up in a recent TV show.
Thanks for the video I do not have acne. It's really interesting.
It seems that the stem cells is really on track in Asia. And they also have what BRD suggested, that is multiplying the stem cells till we have millions of them to inject. It's true that the video didn't show anything about acne scars, but i'm sure there's some1 there who does it or atleast some1 ready to do it.
Is it risky.. I don't know.
Do you guys know any way how we can get in touch with those hospitals? It's hard to find them on the web. Any suggestions?
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Here's a link that directs you to stem cell therapy in other countries.
http://www.repairstemcells.org/Treatment/T...nt-Request.aspx
This is the home thread link.
That's another interesting link, katiekat. I looked around on there and I read about this clinic in Germany called XCell which is currently offering treatments. I found it interesting that they extracted the adult stem cells from bone marrow from one's hip, instead of fat. 
Anyway, they claim to have already treated 1500 people and the results were good, in general. A single treatment there costs somewhere between 6500 and 10.500. That's between $9215 and $14.885... I don't know why it's so much. Seems kinda steep, to me, though. 
How come there is no info abt BRD clinic? Is he running a clinic? someone know?Thanks
I think the quotes below answer your questions. 🙂
BRD,Would you consider treating patients once you have confidence that your stem cell procedure works?
Hi again,
As I've said before, I do not solicit people on acne.org, in any way form or manner, to come to my office and receive any treatment that I offer. In fact, when people on acne.org ask to come visit me I simply refuse. It would be unethical to accept their offers in light of the circumstances at hand. You know how I feel about this particular issue from our past conversations.
The most basic reason I do things this way is that I am not on this forum to advertise myself. Thereby no one here knows my name and/or where I'm located. In other words, the help I provide herein is free of charge and I consequently don't seek public recognition or your money. In this way there are no moral hazards that could lead to unethical behaviour or the accusation of such. Thus I simply provide you (a person in need) with cutting edge information which you can then use to help yourself by finding doctors who are forward looking. Learn from this information, personalize it and present it to those who you deem qualified to hear you out.
Hey guys, I've been reading this thread for a little bit now and it seems quite interesting that the use of stem cells can be used to cure or effectively treat acne scarring. As someone who has suffered with this condition, i've been searching all over the internet for qualified doctors. Obviously, stem cells is quite a controversial treatment method in the US but the truth is the technology and treatments in the US in regards to acne scarring just sucks. Most treatments are overly expensive with hardly any of the results that they claim to have. With all the advances in
lasers for skin care they still do not address deep acne scars. Currently the FDA is a huge hinderance to making stem cell treatment a reality in the US not only for acne scarring but for other important medical conditions. The truth is i'm wondering if there will be enough dermatologists that will actually be qualified and willing to learn and incorporate stem cells into their practice because the use of lasers and cosmetic fillers is such a profitable business for them.
I apologize for being rather cynical, yet I commend BRD for bringing the stem cell topic to this forum, because most of us would of never thought of such; while the topic really gives me hopes that these scars will one day be gone for good, I am also being realistic in realizing that there are many obstacles that will hinder it from actualizing. And I truly hope that we aren't 70 years old when stem cells will be used to their fullest extent either, because many of us have waited for so long for something that actually and finally worked.
And I truly hope that we aren't 70 years old when stem cells will be used to their fullest extent either, because many of us have waited for so long for something that actually and finally worked.
I hope for the same although it is very frustrating and disappointing to have waited so long and god knows how much longer we have to wait.The pain and suffering will wear us out to the point that numbs us and we no longer have the desire to do anything for the scars.By the time when these treatments are available,we wouldnt care anymore about our appearance.As we get older,looks arent as important as it used to be.I 'm still hopeful of finding effective treatments but so far its all been talks and no action.Just hype and type.Even BRD couldnt provide us with names of doctors that offer such procedures,let alone people like us who are not in the field.The only one that we know of who offers it is himself but thats not an option.10 out of 10 doctors that I have spoken with rejected my suggestion of stem cells.So,in short,we all have to continue to wait painfully and wait and wait and wait......
I was surfing around and I found this page of an American laser/skin center in Bellevue, Washington which apparently is offering stem cell treatments at the moment. So I just thought I'd post it here.
http://longevityskinandlaser.com/index.htm
Thanks for answering.
Then i will just go to vancouver for the prp injections.
Check this out:
http://www.amatokin.com/index.php/
It's something that's available now which is not for (acne) scars, but for wrinkles and photo-damage...but it's very interesting to see (to me anyways) that there's something like this available already.
Do you guys know any way how we can get in touch with those hospitals? It's hard to find them on the web. Any suggestions?
I read somewhere about this Chinese center just now:
http://www.stemcellspuhua.com/
It's part of this hospital:
So there's another way to get into contact with them, if you still want to.
Do you guys know any way how we can get in touch with those hospitals? It's hard to find them on the web. Any suggestions?I read somewhere about this Chinese center just now:
http://www.stemcellspuhua.com/
It's part of this hospital:
So there's another way to get into contact with them, if you still want to.
I have emailed the hospital and they replied with a rather detailed description of the process.
Step 1: Collection and Isolation of autologous adipose stem cells. The fat tissue will be stored and immediately isolated and cultured in lab for 10 days
step 2: The first injection will be arranged 10 days after the fatty tissue collection operation.
Apparently they include some skin abrasion operation with the injection. They will test it out on your back first though.
Treatment period:
The first circle of the treatment needs 12 to 14 days:
1st day: Receive some regular tests before operation;
Collection of the fat tissue;
Begin culturing the stem cells
2nd or 3rd day: Skin abrasion operation on the back;
10th day: stem cell injections on the face;
12th or 14th days: recovery from the operation and discharge.
The second injection will take place about 6 months after the first injection.
The cost is rather steep though the whole trip inclusive of accommodation comes up to roughly USD$11,000 - USD$12,000
Do you guys know any way how we can get in touch with those hospitals? It's hard to find them on the web. Any suggestions?I read somewhere about this Chinese center just now:
http://www.stemcellspuhua.com/
It's part of this hospital:
So there's another way to get into contact with them, if you still want to.
I have emailed the hospital and they replied with a rather detailed description of the process.
Step 1: Collection and Isolation of autologous adipose stem cells. The fat tissue will be stored and immediately isolated and cultured in lab for 10 days
step 2: The first injection will be arranged 10 days after the fatty tissue collection operation.
Apparently they include some skin abrasion operation with the injection. They will test it out on your back first though.
Treatment period:
The first circle of the treatment needs 12 to 14 days:
1st day: Receive some regular tests before operation;
Collection of the fat tissue;
Begin culturing the stem cells
2nd or 3rd day: Skin abrasion operation on the back;
10th day: stem cell injections on the face;
12th or 14th days: recovery from the operation and discharge.
The second injection will take place about 6 months after the first injection.
The cost is rather steep though the whole trip inclusive of accommodation comes up to roughly USD$11,000 - USD$12,000
are you going to try it out? very interesting but expensive.
That's interesting, Vanyel. Weird that they test it out on your back first... And yeah it's pretty steep.. I mean that's a truckload of money.
I'm actually planning to contact the American skin center this week. The one I posted a link to a few posts back. I'll let everybody know what their reply was. 
That's interesting, Vanyel. Weird that they test it out on your back first... :think: And yeah it's pretty steep.. I mean that's a truckload of money. :confused:I'm actually planning to contact the American skin center this week. The one I posted a link to a few posts back. I'll let everybody know what their reply was. 🙂
Lol apparently I understood wrongly, or rather they described wrongly. The skin abrasion operation is only for those with back acne scars, nothing to do with the face. Without the operation, the whole procedure comes up to USD$8250.
Anyway Im not going to try this out cos of the price and the time requirement. Just thought I would share this in case ppl are interested. Perhaps someone will try this out and tell us the result. The hospital seems quite famous for neurological surgeries, not sure about acne scars though.
Lol apparently I understood wrongly, or rather they described wrongly. The skin abrasion operation is only for those with back acne scars, nothing to do with the face. Without the operation, the whole procedure comes up to USD$8250.Anyway Im not going to try this out cos of the price and the time requirement. Just thought I would share this in case ppl are interested. Perhaps someone will try this out and tell us the result. The hospital seems quite famous for neurological surgeries, not sure about acne scars though.
Ah, I see. 🙂 So $8250? That's 5921 which is quite a bit less than what they charge in Germany. Interesting..
Btw, I haven't recieved a reply from the American stem cell center, yet. I'm going to give them another couple of days. And if they still haven't replied by then I might call them on the phone.
Btw, I haven't recieved a reply from the American stem cell center, yet. I'm going to give them another couple of days. And if they still haven't replied by then I might call them on the phone.
I've gotten a reply. 🙂
Yesterday I had sent an e-mail their way with a couple of questions. Among some other things, I asked what patients can expect from the procedure; if the treatment solely improves the appearance of scars by filling them in and "remodelling some fibrous tissue" or if it actually reconstructs the epidermis. I also asked what the costs are of the treatment. Here's what they said:
They use a stem cell serum which consists out of 130 different proteins and growth factors which are extracted from the stem cell. They say they are "one of the first to perform this procedure".
The treatment "completely restores the skin the stem cell serum becomes your new skin cells". The skin is "smooth and free of acne scars".
The first visit is $700 and the subsequent two, to a maximum of four are $550 each. A total of five visits are the norm. So that sums up to $2900 at the most for the entire thing.
So there you go. That's what they said. Do you guys agree with me that this sounds different in the sense that they apparently don't inject the stem cells themselves? Which is what I thought was the whole point? Also, what they claim is the case, regarding the skin being completely restored... It would be wonderful but on so many websites I've read things like "There are no cures yet. The only thing stem cell treatments can do at the moment is improve a person's condition to a degree". So it conflicts with those things I've read. But those things may have been only regarding diseases like MS and such. Not regarding scars/wounds. I'm not 100% on that.
Anyway, I'm going to do a short follow up on the e-mail I sent yesterday, so I'll let you know if they said anything else that's interesting.
Does any one know of valveta?Any one tried it
That's the first time I've heard of it.
http://www.vavelta.com/vavelta/
I'm sure it'll have some kind of positive effect but it looks like they're fibroblasts that come from other people than yourself. And that's kind of off-putting to me. :confused: