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I just wanted to say I'm glad people are taking these steps to speed up this process for skin / scar repair , involving stem cells. We should all remain optimistic. I believe we are all onto something finally. What can we as patients do to spread the word, among doctors. I'm willing to work with you guys.
i hate to say this but i dont think this will work.
dr khan has told me to wait till may..here is the reason
he says scarless healing is possible with this protocall
hes going to laser down the skin..then inject stem cells and PRP(upgraded version..with the added proteins) into the dermis.it will create some kind of membrane response ( some jargon i didnt pick up on) and it would encourage the skin to heal normaly without defects.
he said hes certain of a 100% removal of scars.(mine at least)
stay postive.
i hate to say this but i dont think this will work.dr khan has told me to wait till may..here is the reason
he says scarless healing is possible with this protocall
hes going to laser down the skin..then inject stem cells and PRP(upgraded version..with the added proteins) into the dermis.it will create some kind of membrane response ( some jargon i didnt pick up on) and it would encourage the skin to heal normaly without defects.
he said hes certain of a 100% removal of scars.(mine at least)
stay postive.
your going to have this done? boy if you are that sure sounds like a risk.
i asked him that.he said no not at all.he said there would be more risk with laser alone..with the stem cells and prp the skin would heal properly and infact more rapidly and one of the problems with laser wthout such is skin not healing properly (which is rare ..only occurs when misused or wrong settings etc)
yup/.altho khan is using the smartxide..which i think is a safer machine..the whole concept seems to make a lot of sense..i believe this as optimal of a treatment as possible in the year 2009:) im very confident in my skin looking perfectly normal again:)
Smartxide - Adipose derived stem cells with added proteins(that brd reccomended) with PRP plus proteins..and a collagen inducing skin care regiem (with supplments) dr khan is determined to rid me of my scarring:) its awesome.
Hello BRD : You have done an incredible job providing us with valuable information. Are there tests we can take part in? We know what this can do for our scars and skin. Do you think this procedure would also be effective for nose fractures? I have an appointment coming up with a dermatologist next week. I will spread the word about Autologous Adult Stem Cells for scar and wrinkle repair. Something tells me, he's going to brush it off but you have provided us with evidence from Eastern Europe and Asia.
Thank you
I spoke with Dr. Khan, an MD who runs a cosmetic skin care clinic in the UK and who has been discussed in this thread. In my consult with Dr. Khan we discussed his treatment for hypertrophic scars.
Dr. Khan mentioned that he does not culture and multiply stem cells from the patient's fat. He said that the longer the cells are away from their source they become less potent. It takes at least 10 days for stem cells to be cultured and multiplied and I guess that he found this to be too long.
What he does is take out hundreds of CC's of fat from the patient and spins it down to separate the fat from the "master" stem cells in a similar fashion to how he prepares the Platelet Rich Plasma.
The stem cells are placed in a thin fibrin membrane fold which is created by calcium chloride being add to the PRP. The stem cells and the PRP are placed on top- or injected (I'm not sure) into the fresh wound that he creates using a C02 laser where the hypertrophic scar was. Finally a gel plaster is placed on top of the wound to prevent infection.
Just to be clear about what icaretohelp metioned earlier, Dr. Khan does not add Tgf-B3, Fetuin-A, Thymosin-B4, Laminin 511 or any other growth factors. Dr. Khan depends on the growth factors already contained in the PRP and MSCs to regerate the tissue.
im confused ... so basically what Dr Khan is doing is nowhere near as effective as what BRD proposes ?
No it should be, because if he takes hundreds of CCs of fat, the stem cells will amount to the same number. Hundreds of CCs are a lot though, I bet you'll end up thinner by the end.
I appreciate that BRD would be busy most of the time, but I would like his opinion on this: I have never yet considered the possibility that stem cells lose their potency after some time. I think someone who has had it done even said the doc will keep some stem cell stored for future use..?
Daniel
This question if for Bulgarian Dermatologist:
We have talked about the future of these stem cells, which I am extremely interested and excited about. However I had another question: How can we prevent pitted scarring. Are there any supplements that can prevent this? Many doctor's answer to this question is "you have to prevent acne to prevent scarring" or "no it cannot be prevented". I apologize if this question deviates. I just thought it would be important to ask how to prevent pitted acne scars since you are a brilliant individual.
Thanks in advance
hi frankilins tower
i just saw ur msg!:S i usualy get a prompt (the skype one) sorry i couldnt answer
Khan mentioned what u told me..but he did say he was willing to try the other growth factors ..going to do tests on them
but yes in a nutshell thats what he told me..(franklins towers descrip)
hi frankilins toweri just saw ur msg!:S i usualy get a prompt (the skype one) sorry i couldnt answer
Khan mentioned what u told me..but he did say he was willing to try the other growth factors ..going to do tests on them
but yes in a nutshell thats what he told me..(franklins towers descrip)
I specifically asked Dr. Khan if he had plans to add any of the said proteins to the PRP and his answer was no. This would unfortunately make sense becuase he would be prohibited by the UK Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency to use such peptides in-vivo.
how much more effective is the treatment with the added proteins compared to the way dr khan is suggesting ?
mabey if Dr Khan and BRD could get in contact with each (email, phone) other and exchange ideas on stem cell treatment.
anyway im pretty sure Dr Khan knows what hes doing
also ... im a different topic about stem cells someone said
if this is truely stem cells being injected, DO NOT DO IT. I don't have time to explain tonight why, but in a nut shell, if the cells are taken from you, and not an embryo, then the cells taken from you can grow into teath, organs, hair, in your skin! imagine skin starting to grow in your skin.the science behind it is complex, but i can explain next week when i have time.
i doubt they take stem cells, if its just blood being injected, then thats no problem.!
Hi Franklins
How effective is dr khans approach?
Whats sort of cost will this be. Injections followed by laser? Is each scar injected or just parts of the face?
If you can give me some info please
I spoke with Dr. Khan, an MD who runs a cosmetic skin care clinic in the UK and who has been discussed in this thread. In my consult with Dr. Khan we discussed his treatment for hypertrophic scars.
Dr. Khan mentioned that he does not culture and multiply stem cells from the patient's fat. He said that the longer the cells are away from their source they become less potent. It takes at least 10 days for stem cells to be cultured and multiplied and I guess that he found this to be too long.
What he does is take out hundreds of CC's of fat from the patient and spins it down to separate the fat from the "master" stem cells in a similar fashion to how he prepares the Platelet Rich Plasma.
The stem cells are placed in a thin fibrin membrane fold which is created by calcium chloride being add to the PRP. The stem cells and the PRP are placed on top- or injected (I'm not sure) into the fresh wound that he creates using a C02 laser where the hypertrophic scar was. Finally a gel plaster is placed on top of the wound to prevent infection.
Just to be clear about what icaretohelp metioned earlier, Dr. Khan does not add Tgf-B3, Fetuin-A, Thymosin-B4, Laminin 511 or any other growth factors. Dr. Khan depends on the growth factors already contained in the PRP and MSCs to regerate the tissue.
Hi BRD, I have a few questions for you.
First question,
What do you know about Tazorac and the ability of it to renew skin and help with acne scarring? It is a topical retinoid, but I am not sure yet if it can actually help with old acne scars or if it just helps heal red marks.
Second question,
What are your findings about success with Fraxel Lasers like The fractional CO2 laser (Lumenisa FX)?
My scarring: Primarily on the Right cheek of my face I have scarring. I have 3 or 4 ice picks, 1 large depressed scar about a centimeter long, and a couple smaller depressed scars. Sometimes the skin looks okay in certain lights, sometimes it looks bad in other lights/angles. It varies as you probably well know.
My current plan: Obviously I have to heal my current acne first, I am on a regimen of Tazorac in evenings and Benzaclin during daytime (followed by oil free moisturizer) and minocycline once a day 100mg. I think I am about a month to being clear of acne and 3-5 months of REALLY being clear of acne for good and 5 months away from significant reduction of redmarks/ ready for real acne scar treatment.
I am currently researching subcision, or punch grafting for my main depressed scar that I would like to heal. Do you know about the successes of those? Furthermore it seems to me that laser surgery would not do much help with depressed deeper scars that would need surgery on.
Let me know what you think. I am interested to pick your brain a little...haha
Thank You Very Much. I appreciate it.
I don't know how effective Dr. Khan's approach is as I haven't been treated by him. It's better than any tranditional approach being used by most others.
I didn't discuss costs with him but I'm sure it is competitive with what others are charging for less effective treatment.
Dr. Khan mentioned using a CO2 laser followed by injections of MSC + PRP in all scarred areas.
Hi Franklins
How effective is dr khans approach?
Whats sort of cost will this be. Injections followed by laser? Is each scar injected or just parts of the face?
If you can give me some info please
I spoke with Dr. Khan, an MD who runs a cosmetic skin care clinic in the UK and who has been discussed in this thread. In my consult with Dr. Khan we discussed his treatment for hypertrophic scars.
Dr. Khan mentioned that he does not culture and multiply stem cells from the patient's fat. He said that the longer the cells are away from their source they become less potent. It takes at least 10 days for stem cells to be cultured and multiplied and I guess that he found this to be too long.
What he does is take out hundreds of CC's of fat from the patient and spins it down to separate the fat from the "master" stem cells in a similar fashion to how he prepares the Platelet Rich Plasma.
The stem cells are placed in a thin fibrin membrane fold which is created by calcium chloride being add to the PRP. The stem cells and the PRP are placed on top- or injected (I'm not sure) into the fresh wound that he creates using a C02 laser where the hypertrophic scar was. Finally a gel plaster is placed on top of the wound to prevent infection.
Just to be clear about what icaretohelp metioned earlier, Dr. Khan does not add Tgf-B3, Fetuin-A, Thymosin-B4, Laminin 511 or any other growth factors. Dr. Khan depends on the growth factors already contained in the PRP and MSCs to regerate the tissue.