I wouldn't use Baking soda to get the staining off guys. Baking soda is extremely alkaline - it breaks down your skin's acid mantle, which is your first defense against pimples in the first place.
Apply the paste at night, wash off after 15 mn (or longer - but I wouldn't advise overnight). Use a wash cloth with cleanser or oil. Not all the staining will come off initially if you are fair. But the following morning's wash should take the remainder off - did for me and I'm super pale.
Turmeric may help fade Red Marks (hyperpigmentation left after acne) but...don't be fooled.
Turmeric will do absolutely NOTHING to fill-in and permanently level/remove atrophic (indented, shallow, deep, ice pick, rolling boxcar etc. or any kind of pitted/indented scarring)
.. if you believe your atrophic scars will magically fade away, be prepared to deal with a "magically" Yellow face and huge disappointment.
No offense to the original poster... Turmeric may work great to fade Hyperpigmentation, but this topic should be moved to the Red Mark forum. It does not belong in the scar forum as Red marks are NOT SCARS.
What r u try say kaori this post it say acne scar it does not mean it cant heal all scar but if u don't try it out a month u can not know result and everything have to take time. Turmeric Know as fade scar also but if u got scar that will never fade try vitamin e oil, At least i try to help!!!!
Did you completely disregard Helio's post that is right above yours?
No. i didn't completely disregard Helio's post. My statement still stands, Turmeric will not fill in tissue loss atrophy permanently.. no matter how many new members pop on this board and disagree with me.
Turmeric may help fade Red Marks (hyperpigmentation left after acne) but...don't be fooled.
Turmeric will do absolutely NOTHING to fill-in and permanently level/remove atrophic (indented, shallow, deep, ice pick, rolling boxcar etc. or any kind of pitted/indented scarring)
.. if you believe your atrophic scars will magically fade away, be prepared to deal with a "magically" Yellow face and huge disappointment.
No offense to the original poster... Turmeric may work great to fade Hyperpigmentation, but this topic should be moved to the Red Mark forum. It does not belong in the scar forum as Red marks are NOT SCARS.
What r u try say kaori this post it say acne scar it does not mean it cant heal all scar but if u don't try it out a month u can not know result and everything have to take time. Turmeric Know as fade scar also but if u got scar that will never fade try vitamin e oil, At least i try to help!!!!
Im not saying your not trying to help. Im saying Turmeric will not fill in indented atrophic scarring. Nor will vitamin E! if anything it MAY give the appearance of improvement, but if anything, it will be only temporary.
For example: I have very bad atrophic (indented, pitted) scars on my cheeks. I can apply a clay mask, leave it on overnight..wash it off the next morning and my skin will look 80% smoother. This is no miracle, the clay temporarily tightened my skin giving the appearance of improvement. This improvement is by no means permanent.
LPN455- are you by any chance selling this turmeric?
Did you completely disregard Helio's post that is right above yours?No. i didn't completely disregard Helio's post. My statement still stands, Turmeric will not fill in tissue loss atrophy permanently.. no matter how many new members pop on this board and disagree with me.
Turmeric may help fade Red Marks (hyperpigmentation left after acne) but...don't be fooled.
Turmeric will do absolutely NOTHING to fill-in and permanently level/remove atrophic (indented, shallow, deep, ice pick, rolling boxcar etc. or any kind of pitted/indented scarring)
.. if you believe your atrophic scars will magically fade away, be prepared to deal with a "magically" Yellow face and huge disappointment.
No offense to the original poster... Turmeric may work great to fade Hyperpigmentation, but this topic should be moved to the Red Mark forum. It does not belong in the scar forum as Red marks are NOT SCARS.
What r u try say kaori this post it say acne scar it does not mean it cant heal all scar but if u don't try it out a month u can not know result and everything have to take time. Turmeric Know as fade scar also but if u got scar that will never fade try vitamin e oil, At least i try to help!!!!
Im not saying your not trying to help. Im saying Turmeric will not fill in indented atrophic scarring. Nor will vitamin E! if anything it MAY give the appearance of improvement, but if anything, it will be only temporary.
For example: I have very bad atrophic (indented, pitted) scars on my cheeks. I can apply a clay mask, leave it on overnight..wash it off the next morning and my skin will look 80% smoother. This is no miracle, the clay temporarily tightened my skin giving the appearance of improvement. This improvement is by no means permanent.
LPN455- are you by any chance selling this turmeric?
I don't got any turmeric i only buy at my asian store and as i say many time it not going be 1 day treatment, It not miracle for u but if u use it a month it maybe!
Did you completely disregard Helio's post that is right above yours?No. i didn't completely disregard Helio's post. My statement still stands, Turmeric will not fill in tissue loss atrophy permanently.. no matter how many new members pop on this board and disagree with me.
Turmeric may help fade Red Marks (hyperpigmentation left after acne) but...don't be fooled.
Turmeric will do absolutely NOTHING to fill-in and permanently level/remove atrophic (indented, shallow, deep, ice pick, rolling boxcar etc. or any kind of pitted/indented scarring)
.. if you believe your atrophic scars will magically fade away, be prepared to deal with a "magically" Yellow face and huge disappointment.
No offense to the original poster... Turmeric may work great to fade Hyperpigmentation, but this topic should be moved to the Red Mark forum. It does not belong in the scar forum as Red marks are NOT SCARS.
What r u try say kaori this post it say acne scar it does not mean it cant heal all scar but if u don't try it out a month u can not know result and everything have to take time. Turmeric Know as fade scar also but if u got scar that will never fade try vitamin e oil, At least i try to help!!!!
Im not saying your not trying to help. Im saying Turmeric will not fill in indented atrophic scarring. Nor will vitamin E! if anything it MAY give the appearance of improvement, but if anything, it will be only temporary.
For example: I have very bad atrophic (indented, pitted) scars on my cheeks. I can apply a clay mask, leave it on overnight..wash it off the next morning and my skin will look 80% smoother. This is no miracle, the clay temporarily tightened my skin giving the appearance of improvement. This improvement is by no means permanent.
LPN455- are you by any chance selling this turmeric?
Until you have some research backing up your factual statements that turmeric cannot help atrophied scarring, I kindly ask you to exit this thread.
Further - I've made my presence in both LPN's thread known - If there had been any indication of his trying to sell turmeric, I would've booted him. He suggested buying it at an asian grocery, not his ebay.
some readin material:
CURCUMIN-INDUCED FIBROBLAST APOPTOSIS AND IN VITRO WOUND CONTRACTION ARE REGULATED BY ANTIOXIDANTS AND HEME OXYGENASE: IMPLICATIONS FOR SCAR FORMATION.Scharstuhl A, Mutsaers HA, Pennings SW, Szarek WA, Russel FG, Wagener FA.
Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology, Radboud University Nijmegen Medical Centre, Nijmegen Centre for Molecular Life Sciences, Nijmegen, The Netherlands.
Fibroblast apoptosis plays a crucial role in normal and pathological scar formation and therefore we studied whether the putative apoptosis-inducing factor curcumin affects fibroblast apoptosis and may function as a novel therapeutic. We show that 25 muM curcumin causes fibroblast apoptosis and that this could be inhibited by co-administration of antioxidants N-acetyl-L-cysteine (NAC), biliverdin or bilirubin, suggesting that reactive oxygen species (ROS) are involved. This is supported by our observation that 25 muM curcumin caused the generation of ROS, which could be completely blocked by addition of NAC or bilirubin. Since biliverdin and bilirubin are downstream products of heme degradation by heme oxygenase (HO), we hypothesized that HO-activity protects against curcumin-induced apoptosis. Interestingly, exposure to curcumin maximally induced HO-1 protein and HO-activity at 10-15 muM, whereas, at a concentration of >20 muM curcumin HO-1-expression and HO-activity was negligible. NAC-mediated inhibition of 25 muM curcumin-induced apoptosis was demonstrated to act in part via restored HO-1-induction, since the rescuing effect of NAC could be reduced by inhibiting HO-activity. Moreover, pre-induction of HO-1 using 5 muM curcumin protected fibroblasts against 25 muM curcumin-induced apoptosis. On a functional level, fibroblast-mediated collagen gel contraction, an in vitro wound contraction model, was completely prevented by 25 muM curcumin, while this could be reversed by co-incubation with NAC, an effect which was also partially HO-mediated. In conclusion, curcumin treatment in high doses (>25 muM) may provide a novel way to modulate pathological scar formation through the induction of fibroblast apoptosis, while antioxidants, HO-activity and its effector molecules act as a possible fine-tuning regulator.
Did you completely disregard Helio's post that is right above yours?No. i didn't completely disregard Helio's post. My statement still stands, Turmeric will not fill in tissue loss atrophy permanently.. no matter how many new members pop on this board and disagree with me.
Turmeric may help fade Red Marks (hyperpigmentation left after acne) but...don't be fooled.
Turmeric will do absolutely NOTHING to fill-in and permanently level/remove atrophic (indented, shallow, deep, ice pick, rolling boxcar etc. or any kind of pitted/indented scarring)
.. if you believe your atrophic scars will magically fade away, be prepared to deal with a "magically" Yellow face and huge disappointment.
No offense to the original poster... Turmeric may work great to fade Hyperpigmentation, but this topic should be moved to the Red Mark forum. It does not belong in the scar forum as Red marks are NOT SCARS.
What r u try say kaori this post it say acne scar it does not mean it cant heal all scar but if u don't try it out a month u can not know result and everything have to take time. Turmeric Know as fade scar also but if u got scar that will never fade try vitamin e oil, At least i try to help!!!!
Im not saying your not trying to help. Im saying Turmeric will not fill in indented atrophic scarring. Nor will vitamin E! if anything it MAY give the appearance of improvement, but if anything, it will be only temporary.
For example: I have very bad atrophic (indented, pitted) scars on my cheeks. I can apply a clay mask, leave it on overnight..wash it off the next morning and my skin will look 80% smoother. This is no miracle, the clay temporarily tightened my skin giving the appearance of improvement. This improvement is by no means permanent.
LPN455- are you by any chance selling this turmeric?
Until you have some research backing up your factual statements that turmeric cannot help atrophied scarring, I kindly ask you to exit this thread.
Further - I've made my presence in both LPN's thread known - If there had been any indication of his trying to sell turmeric, I would've booted him. He suggested buying it at an asian grocery, not his ebay.
Im not trying to be sarcastic, but of all people, do you actually think Turmeric will fill in atrophic scars? I kindly ask for evidence that it can...seriously. This too will fall to the wayside along with the Holistic Rock Juice cure, vinegar method and countless other miracle cures that didn't work. Why is it then, that no one else is flocking to this topic, tossing their dermarollers, cancelling their fraxel appts.etc..when topical Turmeric is the miracle scar filler they have been searching for? give me a break.
There is an obvious lack of communication here, as Redmarks are NOT scars. Thats all im saying. As a moderator, I respectfully believe you should know that.
I'm fairly sure (like countless others) the OP thinks Redmarks are scars.
Im not discounting the OP claims on Turmeric fading Redmarks.
Time will tell. Good luck to you all. I'm done here.
uhhh.. did you read the study I posted?
here's more:
inhibition of phosphorylase kinase activity by topical curcumin gel results in
resolution of increased T lymphocyte population in inflammatory skin disease (psoriasis, eczema, burns,
acne) thus accounting for the anti-inflammatory activity of curcumin gel (Heng et al, 2000). Clinically,
curcumin in the form of a topical gel has been observed to have anti-inflammatory properties and to
decrease redness and inflammation in sun-damaged skin. It has been observed to produce healing of
superficial burns with minimal or no scar formation. Our observations also include a decrease in scarring
in acne and pseudofolliculitis with curcumin gel. We had previously reported that curcumin gel produced
resolution of psoriasis, correlating with suppression of phosphorylase kinase activity (Heng et al, 2000)
Proliferating cell nuclear antigen
(PCNA) is expressed in both premalignant (actinic keratoses, solar lentigenes) and malignant (basal cell
carcinoma, squamous cell carcinoma and malignant melanoma), as well as in non-malignant cell
proliferation (psoriasis, eczema). By inhibiting phosphorylase kinase, curcumin thus benefits
photodamaged cells by inhibiting serine/threonine kinases (e.g. IIBI kinase, a kinase responsible for
NFIB activation; MAP kinases responsible for cell proliferation; and Akt responsible for increased cell
survival of photodamaged cells. Curcumin also inhibits cyclin kinases involved in cell cycling. By its
action on tyrosine kinase inhibition, it inhibits growth factor dependent proliferation. By upregulating the
p53 suppressor gene, it promotes apoptosis of photodamaged cells, and promotes p53-dependent cell
regulation, and inhibits cell transformation.
Im not trying to be sarcastic, but of all people, do you actually think Turmeric will fill in atrophic scars? I kindly ask for evidence that it can...seriously. This too will fall to the wayside along with the Holistic Rock Juice cure, vinegar method and countless other miracle cures that didn't work. Why is it then, that no one else is flocking to this topic, tossing their dermarollers, cancelling their fraxel appts.etc..when topical Turmeric is the miracle scar filler they have been searching for? give me a break.There is an obvious lack of communication here, as Redmarks are NOT scars. Thats all im saying. As a moderator, I respectfully believe you should know that.
I'm fairly sure (like countless others) the OP thinks Redmarks are scars.
Im not discounting the OP claims on Turmeric fading Redmarks.
Time will tell. Good luck to you all. I'm done here.
I'm not trying to argue with you. Yes, as the OP said ..I see it could help with hyperpigmentation..the healing of superficial burns (Im assuming fresh burns and new acne lesions which could eventually leave an atrophic scar) I see nothing that says Turmeric will fill in old atrophic acne scars. if i missed something please let me know.
I'm not trying to argue with you. Yes, as the OP said ..I see it could help with hyperpigmentation..the healing of superficial burns (Im assuming fresh burns and new acne lesions which could eventually leave an atrophic scar) I see nothing that says Turmeric will fill in old atrophic acne scars. if i missed something please let me know.
Well if u got that kind bad scar then i don't think even magic can help u or if u rich u can make it fade for million buck everything can fade =)
Did you completely disregard Helio's post that is right above yours?No. i didn't completely disregard Helio's post. My statement still stands, Turmeric will not fill in tissue loss atrophy permanently.. no matter how many new members pop on this board and disagree with me.
Turmeric may help fade Red Marks (hyperpigmentation left after acne) but...don't be fooled.
Turmeric will do absolutely NOTHING to fill-in and permanently level/remove atrophic (indented, shallow, deep, ice pick, rolling boxcar etc. or any kind of pitted/indented scarring)
.. if you believe your atrophic scars will magically fade away, be prepared to deal with a "magically" Yellow face and huge disappointment.
No offense to the original poster... Turmeric may work great to fade Hyperpigmentation, but this topic should be moved to the Red Mark forum. It does not belong in the scar forum as Red marks are NOT SCARS.
What r u try say kaori this post it say acne scar it does not mean it cant heal all scar but if u don't try it out a month u can not know result and everything have to take time. Turmeric Know as fade scar also but if u got scar that will never fade try vitamin e oil, At least i try to help!!!!
Im not saying your not trying to help. Im saying Turmeric will not fill in indented atrophic scarring. Nor will vitamin E! if anything it MAY give the appearance of improvement, but if anything, it will be only temporary.
For example: I have very bad atrophic (indented, pitted) scars on my cheeks. I can apply a clay mask, leave it on overnight..wash it off the next morning and my skin will look 80% smoother. This is no miracle, the clay temporarily tightened my skin giving the appearance of improvement. This improvement is by no means permanent.
LPN455- are you by any chance selling this turmeric?
Until you have some research backing up your factual statements that turmeric cannot help atrophied scarring, I kindly ask you to exit this thread.
Further - I've made my presence in both LPN's thread known - If there had been any indication of his trying to sell turmeric, I would've booted him. He suggested buying it at an asian grocery, not his ebay.
some readin material:
CURCUMIN-INDUCED FIBROBLAST APOPTOSIS AND IN VITRO WOUND CONTRACTION ARE REGULATED BY ANTIOXIDANTS AND HEME OXYGENASE: IMPLICATIONS FOR SCAR FORMATION.Scharstuhl A, Mutsaers HA, Pennings SW, Szarek WA, Russel FG, Wagener FA.
Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology, Radboud University Nijmegen Medical Centre, Nijmegen Centre for Molecular Life Sciences, Nijmegen, The Netherlands.
Fibroblast apoptosis plays a crucial role in normal and pathological scar formation and therefore we studied whether the putative apoptosis-inducing factor curcumin affects fibroblast apoptosis and may function as a novel therapeutic. We show that 25 muM curcumin causes fibroblast apoptosis and that this could be inhibited by co-administration of antioxidants N-acetyl-L-cysteine (NAC), biliverdin or bilirubin, suggesting that reactive oxygen species (ROS) are involved. This is supported by our observation that 25 muM curcumin caused the generation of ROS, which could be completely blocked by addition of NAC or bilirubin. Since biliverdin and bilirubin are downstream products of heme degradation by heme oxygenase (HO), we hypothesized that HO-activity protects against curcumin-induced apoptosis. Interestingly, exposure to curcumin maximally induced HO-1 protein and HO-activity at 10-15 muM, whereas, at a concentration of >20 muM curcumin HO-1-expression and HO-activity was negligible. NAC-mediated inhibition of 25 muM curcumin-induced apoptosis was demonstrated to act in part via restored HO-1-induction, since the rescuing effect of NAC could be reduced by inhibiting HO-activity. Moreover, pre-induction of HO-1 using 5 muM curcumin protected fibroblasts against 25 muM curcumin-induced apoptosis. On a functional level, fibroblast-mediated collagen gel contraction, an in vitro wound contraction model, was completely prevented by 25 muM curcumin, while this could be reversed by co-incubation with NAC, an effect which was also partially HO-mediated. In conclusion, curcumin treatment in high doses (>25 muM) may provide a novel way to modulate pathological scar formation through the induction of fibroblast apoptosis, while antioxidants, HO-activity and its effector molecules act as a possible fine-tuning regulator.
source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18410527
I only try help by post it on and tell about my life, If turmeric it not for u then u should leave me alone instead call me out. I not selling any turmeric? that a dumb question u ask.
for the argument that seems to be simmering in here, please remember that everyone's skin is different. some things work great for some people but may make things worse for others. trial and error my friends.
anywho, i started using turmeric nightly recently (on my 3rd night) and would be glad to post some before and afters once a few weeks have passed. my red marks have been around for 8 months, give or take, and so far i haven't found anything to fade them. wish me luck
I really hate it when people come into threads and don't offer any helpful advice but instead negative useless comments.
Turmeric has never damaged anyone's skin, so why discourage people from using it?
Some people may say that there's no evidence backing turmeric's healing properties. Well, that's nice to know. A lot of things with evidence that claims to work end up not working, so I strongly suggest to try things for yourself and don't take others' word for it.
My family along with other people have been using turmeric for dozens of generations so I know it's not some placebo. I'm sick of wasting money on expensive things that claim to work and in the end offer minor improvement.
Even if turmeric doesn't work for you, it's not damaging nor expensive. I'd much rather try this than some laser.
Hi guys, just noticed no one really explained how to use turmeric. Allow me to impart some of my ancient knowledge.
The most effective form of turmeric you can buy is the root form. On wikipedia, there's a picture:
You cut a small stub of it off and then poke the exposed orange inside with a toothpick. As you poke it, juice should start coming out. Rub the orange part on your face. Make sure there's a bright visible liquid on your skin or you're not using enough.
It'll dry quickly and you can leave it on overnight. In the morning, washing it off it not really an issue for me. But I just read that baking soda works? The yellow tint isn't so bad, dust a little foundation on it if it's stubborn.
Hope this helps!
I'm not trying to argue with you. Yes, as the OP said ..I see it could help with hyperpigmentation..the healing of superficial burns (Im assuming fresh burns and new acne lesions which could eventually leave an atrophic scar) I see nothing that says Turmeric will fill in old atrophic acne scars. if i missed something please let me know.
Well if u got that kind bad scar then i don't think even magic can help u or if u rich u can make it fade for million buck everything can fade =)
yes, my scars are bad. They are also 4 years old. I have spent nearly 20 thousand dollars thus far to reduce my scarring. I really doubt a million buck will do it... hmmm..maybe I should glue the money onto my face to cover my scars...that would work!..lol
Thank you for sharing the many benefits of Turmeric..you have been cool about all this.
Good luck with your Turmeric and REDMARKS, people..I wish you the best.
BTW helio..i never discourage anyone from using turmeric. I said it will do nothing for atrophic scars. I don't think half of you know what atrophic scars are. I respectfully ask, pleassse look it up.. instead of flaming me.
I did the turmeric with lemon juice last night and this morning i had 3 spots added to my face and what looked like 2 blackheads come on my nose.There were no visible signs of improvement in scars or skin but its only the 1st treatment,the yellow stain is a ball ache to get off your clock.
i decided to do spot treatment with the turmeric paste instead of entire face. just did for about 20 mins half a day ago, and will leave it overnight later. shall try to apply for at least 15 mins every night and update about 1-2 weeks later! i have taken before pictures and will post after pictures by that time too!
i wetted a tissue and rubbed off as much turmeric as i could before i washed my face with cleanser. it seemed to clean off better
I think i'm with =Kaori= on this. Tumeric is probably good for redmarks but for atrophic scars i really doubt it. Sorry to be negatif but damn curing atrophic scars seems like impossible.
Helio, you say your family has been using this to treat some deep scars. Are these scars still there today? Sometimes it's hard to tell from the different angles and lighting we look at them. It's sometimes even hard for me to tell if i have scars but some are still very apparent.
I really hope the best for everyone and their treatments. I know some treatments may work for some and for others it may differ but in all i guess we all know that currently it's practically impossible to achieve complete restructuration of our skin. Pretty sad but hey life goes on. It's been 8 years since i've had my scars and i'm just starting to gain confidence.
My mother's scars are still there. Honestly, in all the years I've known my mother, I never thought she had scars. Everyone says she has fantastic skin, but she pointed them out to me one day. They were barely visible.
My dad claimed to have had worse skin than me at my age. He doesn't have any acne scars today.
It does seem a stretch to believe some root can repair scarred skin, but hope is key. I've used it for a day and not only do I notice a difference, but people have commented on my skin.
Make sure you use the root kind!!
I'll also side with Kaori on this one.
I don't think many understand her point.
We acknowledge Turmeric works for acne and red marks.
Not so for real atrophic acne scars.
Red marks are not real scars, many people confuse both of them.
If this really worked for real pitted acne scars, that would be awesome, but please show some proof first.
I'm not trying to discourage people from trying this, I'd just rather not waste my time doing something I know won't work for what I need, I'd rather try something else.