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your skin looks great in every one of those pics
yah you look great before and after smashing. I think your eyebrows are cool too. Anyone ever tell you you look like sarah maclachlan?
lol no just Britney Spears. My first 2 pix really aren't that great idk how anyone cannot see all those redmarks, the pic is kinda blurry I will give it that but still. Just because they weren't all over my cheeks doesn't mean they weren't there. I use to pick all the time that is why they are small but clustered all of my chin and nose. I just recenly started getting some red mark on my cheeks. Until now I could never go out without caking on the makeup and even then believe it or not you could still see marks and my makeup always wore off in a few hours so it looked absolutely horrible.
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The University of Arkansas has been doing research on Apple Cider Vinegar and apparently they say this "While acetic acid is used to identify vinegar, past research has found that apple cider vinegar also contains some lactic, citric and malic acids."
So I guess that means ACV has more AHA's then we thought including Lactic Acid. The percentages of them I am unsure, I will keep looking for more of what is in side ACV. But is is hard to get the exact info I want online.
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"Vinegar is a dilute form of acetic acid, ranging typically from three to five percent by volume for table vinegar and higher concentrations for pickling. Natural vinegars also contain smaller amounts of tartaric acid, citric acid, and other acids. It has been used since ancient times, and is an important element in Western and European, Asian, and other traditional cuisines of the world. The oxidation is carried out by acetic acid bacteria, as was shown in 1864 by Louis Pasteur. Modern systems work with vinegar bacteria at the liquid and bring air into the vinegar with a venturi pump system or with a turbine. These systems have a production time between 38 hours and three days to get the ready vinegar." -Wikipedia
Obviously the Acetic Acid in ACV is exteremly low on 3% to 5%is each bottle and some bottle are huge so that means they are diluted even more. Obviously Tap is makign a huge deal about how is is dangerous. Well, to some degree he is right all acids are dangerous. What matters is the concentraion like nhsbiomed said, it all depends on concentraion. Glycolic Acid is reduced to 8% in some cases and can have higher concentraions but the higher the more risk, so that means Glycolic ACcid can be just as dangerous depending on concentraion. I doubt you would want to out 90% Glycolic Acid on your face.
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The strength of vinegar is measured by the percent of acetic acid present in the product. All vinegar sold in the United States at the retail level should be at least 4% acidity as mandated by the U.S. Food & Drug Administration (FDA). Typical white distilled vinegar is at least 4% acidity and not more than 7%. Cider and wine vinegars are typically slightly more acidic with approximately 5-6% acidity.
Acetic Acid is Dangerous At:
"Solutions at more than 25% acetic acid are handled in a fume hood because of the pungent, corrosive vapour. Dilute acetic acid, in the form of vinegar, is harmless. However, ingestion of stronger solutions is dangerous to human and animal life. It can cause severe damage to the digestive system, and a potentially lethal change in the acidity of the blood." Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetic_acid
ACV is usually 4% or 5% it is harmless. Yes, this can irritate some people's skin but not everyones, just as BP can cause peoploe alot of irritation is effects everyone differently.No to mention alot of you are diluting it even more 50/50 making it what like 2%
your skin looks great in every one of those pics
yah you look great before and after smashing. I think your eyebrows are cool too. Anyone ever tell you you look like sarah maclachlan?
lol no just Britney Spears. My first 2 pix really aren't that great idk how anyone cannot see all those redmarks, the pic is kinda blurry I will give it that but still. Just because they weren't all over my cheeks doesn't mean they weren't there. I use to pick all the time that is why they are small but clustered all of my chin and nose. I just recenly started getting some red mark on my cheeks. Until now I could never go out without caking on the makeup and even then believe it or not you could still see marks and my makeup always wore off in a few hours so it looked absolutely horrible.
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The University of Arkansas has been doing research on Apple Cider Vinegar and apparently they say this "While acetic acid is used to identify vinegar, past research has found that apple cider vinegar also contains some lactic, citric and malic acids."
So I guess that means ACV has more AHA's then we thought including Lactic Acid. The percentages of them I am unsure, I will keep looking for more of what is in side ACV. But is is hard to get the exact info I want online.
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"Vinegar is a dilute form of acetic acid, ranging typically from three to five percent by volume for table vinegar and higher concentrations for pickling. Natural vinegars also contain smaller amounts of tartaric acid, citric acid, and other acids. It has been used since ancient times, and is an important element in Western and European, Asian, and other traditional cuisines of the world. The oxidation is carried out by acetic acid bacteria, as was shown in 1864 by Louis Pasteur. Modern systems work with vinegar bacteria at the liquid and bring air into the vinegar with a venturi pump system or with a turbine. These systems have a production time between 38 hours and three days to get the ready vinegar." -Wikipedia
Obviously the Acetic Acid in ACV is exteremly low on 3% to 5%is each bottle and some bottle are huge so that means they are diluted even more. Obviously Tap is makign a huge deal about how is is dangerous. Well, to some degree he is right all acids are dangerous. What matters is the concentraion like nhsbiomed said, it all depends on concentraion. Glycolic Acid is reduced to 8% in some cases and can have higher concentraions but the higher the more risk, so that means Glycolic ACcid can be just as dangerous depending on concentraion. I doubt you would want to out 90% Glycolic Acid on your face.
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The strength of vinegar is measured by the percent of acetic acid present in the product. All vinegar sold in the United States at the retail level should be at least 4% acidity as mandated by the U.S. Food & Drug Administration (FDA). Typical white distilled vinegar is at least 4% acidity and not more than 7%. Cider and wine vinegars are typically slightly more acidic with approximately 5-6% acidity.
Acetic Acid is Dangerous At:
"Solutions at more than 25% acetic acid are handled in a fume hood because of the pungent, corrosive vapour. Dilute acetic acid, in the form of vinegar, is harmless. However, ingestion of stronger solutions is dangerous to human and animal life. It can cause severe damage to the digestive system, and a potentially lethal change in the acidity of the blood." Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetic_acid
ACV is usually 4% or 5% it is harmless. Yes, this can irritate some people's skin but not everyones, just as BP can cause peoploe alot of irritation is effects everyone differently.No to mention alot of you are diluting it even more 50/50 making it what like 2%
NICE POST! haha.
PS Tap, I think it's a little ridiculous that you yell at us when we give you sources that aren't from reputable science magazines, and then you post a short excerpt from wikipedia on THREE DIFFERENT THREADS. it's wikipedia. i can go online and change that information right now. and don't even say "i can use it because you guys are using it". no. we can use it because we accept other websites on the internet other than PubMed as reliable. please stop contradicting yourself.
lol i swear that database I put was so so tiny on mine I will have to change that.
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The strength of vinegar is measured by the percent of acetic acid present in the product. All vinegar sold in the United States at the retail level should be at least 4% acidity as mandated by the U.S. Food & Drug Administration (FDA). Typical white distilled vinegar is at least 4% acidity and not more than 7%. Cider and wine vinegars are typically slightly more acidic with approximately 5-6% acidity.
Acetic Acid is Dangerous At:
"Solutions at more than 25% acetic acid are handled in a fume hood because of the pungent, corrosive vapour. Dilute acetic acid, in the form of vinegar, is harmless. However, ingestion of stronger solutions is dangerous to human and animal life. It can cause severe damage to the digestive system, and a potentially lethal change in the acidity of the blood." Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetic_acid
ACV is usually 4% or 5% it is harmless. Yes, this can irritate some people's skin but not everyones, just as BP can cause peoploe alot of irritation is effects everyone differently.No to mention alot of you are diluting it even more 50/50 making it what like 2%
You're skin is really looking great, Smashing. Very clear and even. I have a question since you seem to have done your research on it, does ACV help you to lose weight if I took a swig of it every morning? I think I saw someone once post that it does..but who knows.
Yup controls appetite and I would love nothing more to answer it an give you sites right now. I will as soon as I can but my boyfriend and friend are telling me to get off so we can go out to eat. I will be back later with an answer.
Thank you for the compliment.
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You're skin is really looking great, Smashing. Very clear and even. I have a question since you seem to have done your research on it, does ACV help you to lose weight if I took a swig of it every morning? I think I saw someone once post that it does..but who knows.Yup controls appetite and I would love nothing more to answer it an give you sites right now. I will as soon as I can but my boyfriend and friend are telling me to get off so we can go out to eat. I will be back later with an answer.
Thank you for the compliment.
Smashing I read that ACV pills are no where as near as effective as actually drinking ACV.
PS Tap, I think it's a little ridiculous that you yell at us when we give you sources that aren't from reputable science magazines, and then you post a short excerpt from wikipedia on THREE DIFFERENT THREADS. it's wikipedia. i can go online and change that information right now. and don't even say "i can use it because you guys are using it". no. we can use it because we accept other websites on the internet other than PubMed as reliable. please stop contradicting yourself.
Well I'm not going to disagree with what was said regarding the safety of highly concentrated acetic acid (it's not good) but I'm also not going to disagree that the content in ACV is very low and doesn't present any danger.
But as for wikipedia, it's actually quite accurate, especially for the scientific article. I think the error rate is equal to the Encyclopaedia Brittanica--an average 3 errors per article... which is amazing considering how many articles there are. The scientific articles don't get changed to BS because people who like to post inaccurate stuff on wikipedia do it on articles that get a lot of traffic... the article on acetic acid doesn't get much traffic so it's pointless to BS in it... the people that write the scientific articles are usually quite credible, and if there's misinformation it gets changed by someone who knows even more (check out the "discussion" sections on the articles if you don't believe me). I consider it a very reliable source for quick-and-dirty scientific information... though I certainly wouldn't cite it in something I wrote...
Basically, 25% acetic acid (by volume) is definitely not something to tangle with. The wikipedia article is correct. However, it doesn't apply to ACV since it's only 5% acetic acid. The most you'll suffer at that strength is a slight stinging sensation.
You're skin is really looking great, Smashing. Very clear and even. I have a question since you seem to have done your research on it, does ACV help you to lose weight if I took a swig of it every morning? I think I saw someone once post that it does..but who knows.Yup controls appetite and I would love nothing more to answer it an give you sites right now. I will as soon as I can but my boyfriend and friend are telling me to get off so we can go out to eat. I will be back later with an answer.
Thank you for the compliment.
Smashing I read that ACV pills are no where as near as effective as actually drinking ACV.
I believ drinking ACV would be best. Just be careful it doesn't touch your teeth too much, you do not want to rot the enamle. Use a straw. I also read that putting ACV in Apple Juice or Apple Cider will make the taste less noticeable, Is hall drink soem 2morrow, maybe tonight, and let you know. I have read that ACV pills can be misleading and the reason is - Some ACV tablets really don't have much ACV and hardly any acetic acid, so you basically have to be a veyr good shopper. Make sure the brand isn't soem cheap brand and read the labels carefully. I love buying things at www.vitacost.com and www.gnc.com I trsut both those places. I plan on buying ACV from vitacost because I trust their brands.
As for losing weight. Pushing up Roses here are a few articles
http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/weight_gain.html -- this one has input from people who have actually tried it.
http://kuali.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16 -- FGorum where people discuss ACV, that is worth looking into because you know it isn't made up. Actual people discussing their rememdies and experience.
http://www.hundmeister.com/acvbenefit.htm -- great website because it not only talks anout what ACV can do for your bodies but what it can do for our dogs.
ACV stimulates liver, more acid in stomach (breakdown food more), removes build up sludge, alot of fiber, speeds up metabolism, curbs appetite and removes excess water.
PS Tap, I think it's a little ridiculous that you yell at us when we give you sources that aren't from reputable science magazines, and then you post a short excerpt from wikipedia on THREE DIFFERENT THREADS. it's wikipedia. i can go online and change that information right now. and don't even say "i can use it because you guys are using it". no. we can use it because we accept other websites on the internet other than PubMed as reliable. please stop contradicting yourself.
Well I'm not going to disagree with what was said regarding the safety of highly concentrated acetic acid (it's not good) but I'm also not going to disagree that the content in ACV is very low and doesn't present any danger.
But as for wikipedia, it's actually quite accurate, especially for the scientific article. I think the error rate is equal to the Encyclopaedia Brittanica--an average 3 errors per article... which is amazing considering how many articles there are. The scientific articles don't get changed to BS because people who like to post inaccurate stuff on wikipedia do it on articles that get a lot of traffic... the article on acetic acid doesn't get much traffic so it's pointless to BS in it... the people that write the scientific articles are usually quite credible, and if there's misinformation it gets changed by someone who knows even more (check out the "discussion" sections on the articles if you don't believe me). I consider it a very reliable source for quick-and-dirty scientific information... though I certainly wouldn't cite it in something I wrote...
Basically, 25% acetic acid (by volume) is definitely not something to tangle with. The wikipedia article is correct. However, it doesn't apply to ACV since it's only 5% acetic acid. The most you'll suffer at that strength is a slight stinging sensation.
i see what you're saying. i personally love wikipedia, i even use it for school assignments. i wasn't discrediting wikipedia in any manner. what i was saying is that Tap continually disparages websites put up that aren't certified science websites, such as pubmed. if this is his logic, then he CANNOT credit wikipedia as a reputable source, nor use it to back up his claims, without contradicting himself.
I just posted 3 pix on the first page of what my nose and chin use to look like even with makeup on, I had a ton of black heads. I will take more pix later .. maybe, It is raining out so if it doesn't clear up I won't be able to get very good pix in side, but we shall see.
Here's a little tip if you just want to try ACV, dip the end of a Q-tip into ACV and then dab it on a zit maybe 2 or 3 times a day. If you see that it helps then you may want to try it all over. I use it straight and even when I first tried it I never diluted it - only you know if your skin can handle it.
Q-tips are great for a lot of things - if I have a white head that is on it's way out, then I will take 2 Q-tips and GENTLY ease it out instead of using my fingers.
Wow Apple Juice really does cover up the taste of ACV. Ok I won't buy the capsules I will just do this for now on. I heard the pills are risky depedning on what company you buy them, some have hardly any ACV in them. So drinking ACV is much better. Just put 3 tsps in a glass of Apple Juice or Apple Cider. I can still taste it but it doesn't burn going down and it really is covered up. It is drinkable now yayy! Some people drink warm water +honey +acv .. I tried it and YUCK! It burned I could only get like 3 gulps down. So if you are interedt in losing weight and detoxify your liver def. try this.
ACV can control body weight and promote healthy organ functions, and so does LEMON. Lemon also flushes the body toxicity (from papillon).
Is applying ACV on your face to fade redmarks same as applying lemon juice? I am seeing improvement since I have been using (drink and apply) lemon juice 2 weeks ago?
Sounda like a good regimen except for the antibacterial soap, I used that one before and Cetaphile dried me out soo badly! I suggest Kiss My Face products which I am almost positive are all pH balanced. The GNC sells them www.gnc.com and www.vitacost.com
Hmm...I'll make sure to look into those. My dermatologist suggested the Cetaphil- that's why I decided to use it and it has been working well.
hey ruthman, just a few questions...how gud are differin and Evoclin....and do u need a prescription for these drugs...and do u use these topicals like dan says to apply bp till it is absorbed on the face...pls reply back as i'm looking for an alternative to bp coz of the allergy it causes on my face...
Differin and Evoclin have worked well for me- yes, you do need a prescription. If you can afford a derm, you should ask him/her about the two products. However, your doctor may reccomend something else for your skin type.
What is Evoclin anyways I never heard of it.
www.evoclin.com
Lemon and Cucumber bleach your skin ACV doesn't bleach it just heals and exfoliates. It also helps get rid of those nasty broken capillaries. I have read many women put ACV on those veins on thier legs and they go away.
Leg veins?!? I have those!!! I am definitely going to try that. Do they use it straight or diluted?
Oh, SP, I've been putting the ACV 50/50 on my neck, back, chest and shoulders for a few days. Here are the results thus far:
Neck:VERY soft and smooth (like a baby's bottom), no new bumps, a really painful bump was just brewing the first time I applied the ACV and it was almost gone by the next day
Back:very soft and smooth, small 'sandy' bumps 95% gone
Chest:very soft, smoother but not perfect yet, no new whiteheads, small bumps are fewer in number, splotchy skin tone has evened out
Shoulders:very soft and smooth, red mark still visible, I can't tell if it has lightened at all but it's only been a few days
*Even if the ACV didn't work for red marks, oil, etc., I think I'd still like to use it just for the softness factor!