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Just bought a bottle of AVC yesterday, used it last night and this morning. Face seems a good bit smoother, also less inflammed throughout the day. I really hope it helps my truckload of fire-red marks all over my face. I'm also using BP though, so I assume its gonna take longer to work on the redmarks. I'll keep ya'll updated though.
In every post you make in all the acne fourms you talk about Apple cider vinegar. Would you please post research studies that show the efficacy of apple cider vinegar in preventing acne and fading red marks? And, I am not talking about websites, but rather articles from peer reviewed journals. I believe there probably isn't that much evidence proving that it does work.
In every post you make in all the acne fourms you talk about Apple cider vinegar. Would you please post research studies that show the efficacy of apple cider vinegar in preventing acne and fading red marks? And, I am not talking about websites, but rather articles from peer reviewed journals. I believe there probably isn't that much evidence proving that it does work.
Actually, I've been reading up on it and the chemistry behind it is pretty sound... there's no reason to expect a miracle but it's got some good stuff in it.
Edit: And the reason there are no clinical trials is because it's a food, not a drug...
In every post you make in all the acne fourms you talk about Apple cider vinegar. Would you please post research studies that show the efficacy of apple cider vinegar in preventing acne and fading red marks? And, I am not talking about websites, but rather articles from peer reviewed journals. I believe there probably isn't that much evidence proving that it does work.
I have research ACV and I have put in plenty of articles on the benefits of ACV and what it does to your skin and body.
Pumkin your marks barely visible, idk why you so concerned about them...........
btw are you sure drinking ACV is safe? i drank strait acv yesturday and dilluted today and felt like it buned my throat/stomatch
scroll a couple pages back on how to drink it (you add some baking soda to it). the reason is since it's acidic, over time it can wear away tooth enamel.
In every post you make in all the acne fourms you talk about Apple cider vinegar. Would you please post research studies that show the efficacy of apple cider vinegar in preventing acne and fading red marks? And, I am not talking about websites, but rather articles from peer reviewed journals. I believe there probably isn't that much evidence proving that it does work.
tap that is really unfair. i don't see you going through this forum demanding scientific evidence from everything people say. and yes, you are clearly right because the pages of people claiming it works is very inconclusive. the sheer quantity of web pages-- of distinguished and prestigious websites-- that reference ACV as being in some way beneficial-- that should tell you something. just cause it's not in Science magazine doesn't mean it doesn't work.
In every post you make in all the acne fourms you talk about Apple cider vinegar. Would you please post research studies that show the efficacy of apple cider vinegar in preventing acne and fading red marks? And, I am not talking about websites, but rather articles from peer reviewed journals. I believe there probably isn't that much evidence proving that it does work.
Actually, I've been reading up on it and the chemistry behind it is pretty sound... there's no reason to expect a miracle but it's got some good stuff in it.
Edit: And the reason there are no clinical trials is because it's a food, not a drug...
agreed
Pumkin your marks barely visible, idk why you so concerned about them...........btw are you sure drinking ACV is safe? i drank strait acv yesturday and dilluted today and felt like it buned my throat/stomatch
I will repeate myself, I never took pix of when it was bad. Since I have been using ACV my redmarks fade so quickly and when I get around to taking a pic they look like that. Plus my maine concern is that big brown mark. I am also doing this because I hate having a shiny face and this stops the oil production and shrinks pores. I am not using it soley for red marks, although that was my intention in the beginning.
It burns my throat too. Drinking it is semi safe ... only bc if you drink too much of it it can rip the enamel off your teeth. www.vitacost.com sells ACV capsules.
ACV also is an alpha hydroxy acid (apples) and has a tone of minerlas, vitamins, and amino acids. I actually put a site in this thread that listed everything in ACV.
P.S. It is hard to get any pictures that actually show my face, for some reason when I view the pictures on the camera it looks perfect and sharp then when I put it on the comp. it doesn't look the same, more blurry I guess.
In every post you make in all the acne fourms you talk about Apple cider vinegar. Would you please post research studies that show the efficacy of apple cider vinegar in preventing acne and fading red marks? And, I am not talking about websites, but rather articles from peer reviewed journals. I believe there probably isn't that much evidence proving that it does work.
Well, if you believe it doesn't work I suggest you prove that statement.
I would like you to prove that the hundreds of articles and websites and all the statements from people who've used ACV are wrong, and please also prove to me why me red marks are fading, that I've a much better looking complexion with no new acne forming and me face is not oily at all.
Of course, you could also just do it the simple way: Buy some ACV (4-5$) yerself and try it for a week. If you think it's not doing anything for ya it's not the end of the world, nor is it going to leave you ruined 😉
was just wondering if i mixed avc and water in a bottle wouldnt the water go bad after a while?
Is applying AVC full strength to your face harmful???
i just found out i was using full strength it'll make your face go red raw for about 10minutes and u can feel the burn but after that it returns to normal
you want to gradually ease your skin into doing it neat. for example, you could start with an 8:1 water:acv ratio for a day or two. see how that works, and gradually increase the ratio. i've been doing this for about a month, and i still do it 1:1, and i've been getting great results. my skin is so incredibly sensitive, i don't want to see what happens if i do it neat.
it doesn't go bad after a while! don't worry
I've been having good results with ACV. 
My skin does feel smoother and nicer-- and might be my imagination, but redmarks seem to be getting lighter. Just some cysts on my chin and a small pimple high on my forehead-- might be because I was snuggling into my pillow. 
; Maybe I'll eventually do CSR on my chin only, since that seems the least affected by ACV-- but my cheeks and forehead are very happy! 
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Alot of you have been using BP for a long time, and what happens while using BP is your skin's healing rate slows. This would make sense if alot of you are not seeing the red marks turn pink right away. So do not give up hope it isn't you fault. That is the one down side to BP 
In every post you make in all the acne fourms you talk about Apple cider vinegar. Would you please post research studies that show the efficacy of apple cider vinegar in preventing acne and fading red marks? And, I am not talking about websites, but rather articles from peer reviewed journals. I believe there probably isn't that much evidence proving that it does work.
Oh dear. PLEASE don't tempt me. :pray:
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Now, people, before 'Tap' even responds, I can guarantee three things:
1) he (she?) will criticise the use of my MESH search terms. He will pick up on the fact that none of these articles contain the words "Apple Cider Vinegar".
2) he will continue to adopt the logical fallacy 'cum hoc ergo propter hoc'....no scientific data = ACV doesn't work.
3) he will criticise the poor generic referencing system I used. E-v-e-r-y-o-n-e uses Harvard, you're sooo passe'. 😆
However,
1) The acetic acid in ACV is a well documented alpha-hydroxy acid. It is totally fesible that other AHAs will have a more positive effect on the skin, and others a lesser effect. I'm fairly certain that it is the pH aspect of the ACV that causes it to lessen red marks (I personally have seen improvements too).....I could make up a weak HCl solution in my lab which would most likely have the same effect as ACV. ACV is an acid at a certain pH, this is why it works. If you want scientific references, then you'll have to accept the scientific terminology. 'ACV' is not the scientific term, AHA is.
2) Believe it or not, we are genetically succeptible to certain fallacies. This is one of them. Just because a scientist hasn't studied something DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T HAPPEN!!! How many times? Did gravity not exist before Newton put pen to paper?
3) I'm in the middle of a 15,000 word Masters degree dissertation on the effect of Lithium Heparin on proportional systematic error in chemistry photocolourimetry and nephelometry....I'M SICK OF BLUDDY HARVARD!!! LOL
Pick on someone your own size. :rolleyes:
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I'm a registered clincial biomedical scientist in chemical pathology for the NHS in England.
Yes... But saying "aspirin = salicylic acid" is not correct... they are very closely related, but since they act in different ways when you put 'em on your face it doesn't make any sense to say that they are one in the same... you're not going to turn it into pure SA by dissolving it... especially not by dissolving it in vinegar
Nope, sorry, that's quite incorrect too. :doh:
Acetylsalicylic acid dissociates (de-acetylates) into salicylic acid quite readily in water by hydrolysis. In fact, simply leaving an aspirin tablet in the open air will cause it to dissociate into salicylic acid. Try it! Take out an aspirin tablet and leave in on a plate for a couple of days.....eventually it will start to smell sort of vinegar like (oh, the irony!). The smell is the salicylic acid.
Look here: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:Ciuw6...t=clnk&cd=7
Sorry Shmelis, don't mean to keep criticising you! :redface:
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I'm a registered clincial biomedical scientist in chemical pathology for the NHS in England.
Yes... But saying "aspirin = salicylic acid" is not correct... they are very closely related, but since they act in different ways when you put 'em on your face it doesn't make any sense to say that they are one in the same... you're not going to turn it into pure SA by dissolving it... especially not by dissolving it in vinegar
Nope, sorry, that's quite incorrect too. :doh:
Acetylsalicylic acid dissociates (de-acetylates) into salicylic acid quite readily in water by hydrolysis. In fact, simply leaving an aspirin tablet in the open air will cause it to dissociate into salicylic acid. Try it! Take out an aspirin tablet and leave in on a plate for a couple of days.....eventually it will start to smell sort of vinegar like (oh, the irony!). The smell is the salicylic acid.
Thanks, sir. I'm well aware of the chemical similarities between aspirin and salicylic acid. I'm also well aware that aspirin will degrade into salicylic acid, as aspirin is synthesized using salicylic acid as one of the reactants... I also know that concentrated aspirin often smells like vinegar (because of the smell produced from the aspirin degrading to salicylic acid). I'm also aware that aspirin is water-soluble.
You didn't look at the wording in my original post closely enough. Aspirin is NOT salicylic acid... they are chemically similar, but they are NOT identical... so I am not wrong, and to say so is misleading. And dissolving aspirin will NOT turn it into pure salicylic acid, which is what I said, so on that point I am correct as well. Also if you'll notice the OP was suggesting creating a solution of Apple cider vinegar and aspirin... I'm sure you're familiar with LeChatelier's principle so this reaction would not produce nearly as much salicylic acid as aspirin dissolved in pure water (as acetic acid is a product of the reaction that produces aspirin). Finally, if you'll read most of the posts that suggest creating an "aspirin mask" using crushed aspirin and water, you'll notice that the ratio of aspirin to water is too high to significantly alter the respective concentrations of acetlyated and non-acetlyated salicylic acid.
I may not be a registered clinical biomedical scientist, but I'm not as stupid as you might think. Sorry, but that post had nothing worth criticizing. I did my homework before I posted. All you've done is add more information that I thought was extraneous and therefore left out of the original post, you haven't said anything that suggests I am incorrect based on the wording of my original post.
I can't win... I get criticized if I'm too technical and critisized if I'm not technical enough! :confused:
I tried this on a red mark on my back....and holy-crap its allready faded to a light pink!!!! I am very hesiant to try this on my face...since I have senstive skin(face), not only that..but I have other stuff allready on it.
But really I am going to be doing this everynight to my back after shower. Thanks!