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16 hours ago, TrueJustice said:As I thought, fish oil as a cure - what a load of Bullshit
Like we™ve all just missed picking up a good fish oil, fatigue will disappear, every symptom gone including eye floaters...
Why do I fall for this shit every time...why??
It's not a bad quality to have at all... keeping an open mind. Don't be hard on yourself 
Tj, if you'd read you'd see that I said there are multiple brands of saturated fat rich menhaden oil available right now, but the problem is they all currently contain epa, which is a problem for us. Swanson was the only company to produce menhaden dha. i give you the answer to your problems and instead of helping me get the product back, you call it bullshit. What else was I supposed to say? And Brendan, you are the jackass for not listening to someone who has EXPERIENCED THE BEGINNING OF A TRUE COMEBACK. Why the fuck are you guys so fucking negative toward a product that has proven to work? Why won't anyone help me with this? I'm trying to give all of you your lives back and all you fucking do is attack me. What the fuck is wrong with you guys? Email Swanson and tell them you want this menhaden dha/dpa formula to come back.
24 minutes ago, Aaron76 said:Tj, if you'd read you'd see that I said there are multiple brands of saturated fat rich menhaden oil available right now, but the problem is they all currently contain epa, which is a problem for us. Swanson was the only company to produce menhaden dha. i give you the answer to your problems and instead of helping me get the product back, you call it bullshit. What else was I supposed to say? And Brendan, you are the jackass for not listening to someone who has EXPERIENCED THE BEGINNING OF A TRUE COMEBACK. Why the fuck are you guys so fucking negative toward a product that has proven to work? Why won't anyone help me with this? I'm trying to give all of you your lives back and all you fucking do is attack me. What the fuck is wrong with you guys? Email Swanson and tell them you want this menhaden dha/dpa formula to come back.
Youve gotta be careful saying its the cure man, thats all Im saying.
Its not personal when we might call something bullshit, Im 20 years in dealing with shit daily and trust me Ive tried a lot of stuff over the years as have others on here and youre not the first to say hey everyone Ive got the cure
Having said that, I want to help you, youve got to understand though were all going to test the shit out of anyone suggesting a cure at this stage of the game - Id expect nothing less from the rest of you if I threw up a so called cure....its just part and parcel at this stage Im afraid to say!!
Thanks for the info about the product, Im learning more about what youre saying and how its different from other fish oils.
I've recently talked to others whos PRSD makes mine pale in comparison, despite the fact that it was still completely life changing. I fantasised about suicide, but I guess I could still live if I lowered my expectations low enough, such as by dropping out of Uni and accepting I would never have a sexual relationship, and that I would never be particularly happy or successful, etc... while post recovery, I I think I can now achieve a good life, going to Uni, dating, having fulfilling relationships, etc. However, for others, it affects them a LOT harsher than it did me, and so for promising a cure, I feel like a fraud. I'm going to leave it up, because I know it can still help SOME people regain control of their life, and I am sure its on the right track, but for some people, whos symptoms are much more severe than myself, it may not bring much respite.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gGkP_NQ8tmYkOADlG2VuEX17YvQJKgnfcEtgy5_6y7c/edit#
Summary of treatment:
Immediately post accutane when symptoms begin to surface, start taking
-1000iu Vitamin E. If Isotretinoin is causing brain damage, the antioxidant effect of vitE can reduce that.
-Plenty of beta carotene. It is impossible to overdose on vit A though BC, because your body will stop converting to vitamin A if you already have vitamin A. Keep in mind Vitamin A is very different to Isotretinoin, and it is common to suffer vitamin A deficiency post accutane. Beta Carotene is also an antioxidant.
-10,000IU of Vitamin D, and vitamin K as well. Retinoids can cause deficiencies in Vitamin D, and vitamin K can help bone health and also regulate those fat soluble vitamins
-Creatine and Zinc. They are both neuroprotective and increase neuroplasticity, and they also increase testosterone.
-Fish Oil. Improves recovery from brain injuries, as it improve neuroplasticity as well
-300mg/day of Magnesium. Somepeople report lower blood levels of magnesium post-accutane, and that has a range of mental and physical side effects, ranging from concentration issues, depression,erectiledysfunction, anxiety, muscle pains and cramps, erratic energy, moodiness, headaches, insomnia and frequent waking. Also neuroprotective
I guess this is a starter pack nutrition wise, for stabilizing PRSD, and for me it got me back on my feet, cleared a fair bit of brain fog, and gave me a semblance of normalcy. Perhaps because Id forgotten what is was like to be normal, for a time I thought I was normal, but honestly Im not there yet. Physically I am pretty good, but still get some old man injuries even though Im young. I can get erections fine when masturbating, but suffer ED sometimes when with women, which suggests that its more mental than physical. Mentally, even though I am happy, can concentrate somewhat,Icanforgivemyself and and can deal with anxiety much better, Im not 100%. At the same time I think that on the mental side I can continue to improve through practicing mindfulness meditation, and so hope to get back to 100%. Anyway, I just wanted to be honest with everything on my end, because while I have madegoodprogress with my treatment, I am by no means cured/100%, and I am sorry if I misled anyone.Ipersonallydon'tknowifgettingback to100% isentirelyfeasible,but Iam backatUni,running2-3timesperweek,doingwellin the gym,though Ihave toexercisecautionwhenexercising(pain=nogain).LastlyIknowthatwhilemyPRSDwas/istheshittestthinginmylife,andIwisheverydayIhadnevertakenit,forothersitismuchworse,soIapologiseifmytreatmentdoesn'thelp.Istillthinkitsthebesttreatmentcurrentlyaround,everythingissafeandbackedbystudies...Howeveritisstillseverelylacking,sosorry.Idon'thavemuchmoretosay.
Good luck everyone.
12 minutes ago, TrueJustice said:You could argue Alpha Lipoic Acid would be good in the mix too because it is known to promote the the function of other antioxidants.....Vit D,E,K etc etc
I also take CoQ10 for heart health
Never thought of taking Beta Carotene supplement wise.
Mymain point is don't avoid it and vitamin A, because Isotretinoin is not vitamin A, and infact can cause vitamin A deficiency.
Isotretinoin-Induced Night Blindness
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4533586/
Oral isotretinoin, neuropathy and hypovitaminosis A
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-2230.2008.03171.x
The second link has case studies which suggests between Vitamin A deficiency pre treatment and suffering depression due to accutane, and by supplementing vitamin A mid treatment helped.
Beta-carotene is safer than straight vitamin A supplementation, so while I used vitamin A myself, BC is probs safer because it is only converted if your body recognises a need for vitamin A (though it is possible isotretinoin reduces conversion because it fucks with the body in mysterious ways, in that case Beta Carotene would just act as an antioxidant)
No worries, Ill look into adding BC to my daily supplement intake.
Were no closer to knowing why our bodies are stuffed up around Vit A post tane are we?
My kinesiologist picked up absolutely that Vit A stresses my body, thats not to say BC stresses me though....well see, I think shes got a vile so well see how my body responds to it
going back to what I have recently posted,
The study used 8 billion cfus ofbifido infantis in infants.
mixed in breast milk to feed on milk sugars and colonize and correct dysbiosis.
Thats closer to 2 pills of maximum strength Align that would equal 10 billion.
Up until now there hasnt been a viable supplement for this type of dosage of this isolated bacteria that would be cost effective.
Talk about trying to hit the reset button from birth.
what else is in breast milk that I recently mentioned.
Lauric acid and Capric acid.
Both found in coconut oil and some MCT oils.
Both have antimicrobial effects against pathogenic bacteria and yeast.
An example coming from mothers milk should mean itsharmless to beneficial microbes.
This next study is a little hard to believe (and a different strain) but you see the potential.
Therapeutic potential ofBifidobacterium brevestrain A1 for preventing cognitive impairment in Alzheimers disease
Scientific Reportsvolume7, Articlenumber:13510(2017)
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-13368-2
It has previously been shown that the consumption of probiotics may have beneficial effects not only on peripheral tissues but also on the central nervous system and behavior via the microbiotagutbrain axis, raising the possibility that treatment with probiotics could be an effective therapeutic strategy for managing neurodegenerative disorders.
Gene profiling analysis revealed that the consumption ofB. breveA1 suppressed the hippocampal expressions of inflammation and immune-reactive genes that are induced by amyloid-. Together, these findings suggest thatB. breveA1 has therapeutic potential for preventing cognitive impairment in AD.
Increasing evidence suggests that probiotics can not only ameliorate physiological functions such as the epithelial barrier, gut homeostasis, and the immune response but may also alter brain function, conferring beneficial effects on psychiatric and neurological diseases13,16. The underlying mechanism, however, remains unclear. Here we showed that oral administration ofB. breveA1 prevented cognitive decline in AD model mice, with a reduction in the immune response and neuronal inflammation.
Until now, no clinically successful therapeutic treatment or drug for AD has been reported to date.
These strains need to be looked at on an individual basis.
Even the experts say its trial and error because they just dont know enough yet.
also I feel there is definitely something going on with blood flow, I can feel the changes.
I tested positive once for antiphospholipid antibodies.
The skin paleness, followed by returning color, eye sensitivity
Examples how this could be microbial based, something that avoids innate immunity.
Activation of blood clotting factors by microbial proteinases
https://academic.oup.com/femsle/article/121/3/327/481469
"these results suggest that peripheral and systemic blood circulation may be impaired by..."
On the meat diet. To me, this is a type of fasting.
There used to be a guy on here, all he'd eat was scallops.
intermittent fasting or a restricted diet is probably a good idea, incorporated into a type of protocol.
Absolutely!!
and importantly with blood flow is oxygen that gets carried around the body to organs inc the brain!!
My kinesiologist said two things that cause teeth grinding in sleep ( me big time ) is lack of oxygen or parasites
Ill bet my bottom dollar its to do with oxygen. After session last week he said my body is saying it needs Vit B12....look up what helpsimpede oxygen in blood - its B12 and Vit A deficiency.
my body is now starting to both absorb and eliminate Vit A correctly after 2 sessions - bring it on!!!
He doesnt want me on too much supplements- just the ALA, the B12 at the moment.
On the side I also take CoQ10
What kind of baseline are you using to measure absorption and eliminating waste? I'm going to try and get my brother to see this kinesiologist, but he doesn't want to get adjusted. Has yours been doing that as well? @TrueJustice
Yep, slight adjustments, mostly pressure on organs and tapping up & down spine. Slightly uncomfortable at present working on gut - thats because Im super sensitive in that area....Im getting better though and can handle work being done on gallbladder, liver, pancreas etc as each week/session passes.
Youd ordinarily think how the fuck does that work but I assure you it does and quickly I might add.
practitioner can go from easily pushing my arm down when something stressesme ( thats the guide in all this ) to being strong as when its corrected and having no muscle weakness. Fucking way better following this path than having to do heaps of blood tests only to never have an answer....like fucking ever!!
Vit A two weeks ago was stressing me but now Im much better, beta carotene tested fine too on Tuesday.
Theres a 5 step process which Ill have to ask about again, two of which are absorptionand elimination, Ithink another is assimilationwhich I said how is that different from absorption?and she said its to do with how well that particular Vit or Mineralresponds with other Vit/Min and processes within the body.
Bottom line with kinesiology is they look at the big picture and often go back over things if they pick up thatsomethingalreadycorrected needs recorrecting - its quite clever really.
Up till now Ive been throwing everything possible atproblems - Im over that approach now that I know about kinesiology.Agood practitioner knows the rightsequence tobring thebody back into equilibrium by following the rightprocesses andin the correct order - complete opposite to the stab in the dark approach Id been trying up tonow.
Have any of you ever had the impression you were being scammed by an applied kinesiologist?
I cant tell if sarcasm or not lol but true justice has seen a lot and tried alot like many of u have. I mean it makes sense that most doctors are automatic in the way they analyze patients. Kineseology maybe better because of the overall focus of the body as opposed to a doctor who had to study bits and pieces of everything. I think the key would be to find a good one though and thats all dependent on where u live and ultimately what kind of background they have. I found a guy named dr shinn. He worked with several docs before he ultimately healed and started to help heal others but thats the ort i cant tell is if the work turned into a business opportunity.
Vitamin a exerts a lot of its actions on thyroid, testosterone productions, hyaluronic acid production thru the second messenger molecule cAMP. So it's accutane affects the way our retinoic acid receptors respond to vitamin a, camp will be unable to do its thing. This is were forskolin comes in. Forskolin is able to directly increase cAMP throught the body. I believe this is partly how Tane messes with our metabolisms. Less so, by affecting the function and levels of other nutrients.
Been on TRT for year and slowly titrating down because reasons. Started feeling like shit since levels were coming down and I was crashing. Started using 1-2 drops (very little) forskolin and the effect is incredible. I literally went from feeling like death one morning to feeling great almost instantly. I have no labs to back it up yet but I feel an effect on my thyroid and testosterone levels. Energy is up, ability to get work done is better, motivation is better and overall mood is better. If you look at studies, cAMP is needed to get the thyroid working, to activate NRF2 for testosterone production and many other pathways that were affected by Accutane.
Definitely something to research further. Remember, no Vitamin a = no cAMP = no downstream effects of vitamin a.
How will I know if this is working? Need to completely get off TRT and wait a week or two while using forskolin. If my T levels remain within normal, then it works.
This is my second major discovery. First was beta alanine and improve dryness.
How many of you are diagnosed with hypogonadism or low testosterone levels since using Accutane? What's your lowest tested level? Forskolin might help you where everything else failed.
On 10/7/2018 at 1:20 AM, Fchawk said:Mymain point is don't avoid it and vitamin A, because Isotretinoin is not vitamin A, and infact can cause vitamin A deficiency.Isotretinoin-Induced Night Blindness
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4533586/Oral isotretinoin, neuropathy and hypovitaminosis A
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-2230.2008.03171.x
The second link has case studies which suggests between Vitamin A deficiency pre treatment and suffering depression due to accutane, and by supplementing vitamin A mid treatment helped.Beta-carotene is safer than straight vitamin A supplementation, so while I used vitamin A myself, BC is probs safer because it is only converted if your body recognises a need for vitamin A (though it is possible isotretinoin reduces conversion because it fucks with the body in mysterious ways, in that case Beta Carotene would just act as an antioxidant)
I don't know if I agree with this. my N=1 experience is more vitamin A in my diet = worse symptoms. This is 15 years after taking accutane.
On 10/6/2018 at 12:29 AM, Aaron76 said:All you guys need to do is conduct a Google search for Fox01 and accutane and fox01 and dha and you'll see the connection. I've already given you the answer and you're still wasting time on probiotics. Geez guys. Come on and help me get this product back online.
Tell me more about the DHA and foxo01 connection. post some links. Maybe you are on to something. I tried everyting kind of fish oil and they all made me sick. The only thing I can tolerate is salmon roe.
6 hours ago, Biggest Brother said:I cant tell if sarcasm or not lol but true justice has seen a lot and tried alot like many of u have. I mean it makes sense that most doctors are automatic in the way they analyze patients. Kineseology maybe better because of the overall focus of the body as opposed to a doctor who had to study bits and pieces of everything. I think the key would be to find a good one though and thats all dependent on where u live and ultimately what kind of background they have. I found a guy named dr shinn. He worked with several docs before he ultimately healed and started to help heal others but thats the ort i cant tell is if the work turned into a business opportunity.
It was a bit of sarcasm. I feel as if some are being duped by doctors who have found a good source of income.
There is just no basis in reality for applied kinesiology. i.e.: There were no studies indicating that a weak pinky finger is a sign of a bladder infection, or whatever fabricated ailment. A weak pinky finger is only a sign of bladder infection because the kinesiologist tells you your pinky is weak, meaning you have a bladder infection.
So what works best is to find a kinesiologist who knows their shit yeah, the same approach is required when choosing a GP or seeing a specialist or any other field of medicine.
A lot of us veteran victims have been doing this for quite a while and should know by now when were on to something good vs crap. Ive seen both GPs and specialists in various fields some are really good and others you move on from, surely thats just standard procedure for many of us by now yeah!??
Same thing applies with kinesiology - youll soon find out if its for you or not. I dont pretend to think theres only one way out of this mess, if its not for you, move on and find something else.
Im not calling anything Im doing a complete cure either ( yet ) - no way will I bullshit anyone on that level. What I have said is that its providing relief and Im learning how to take a guided approach, not just through muscle testing but importantly with what supplement or dietary change I need to make too - my practice has the added benefit of supplying supplements, this approach is when I knew I was on to something good - really good quality stuff too.
My body strength has improved immensely and I would never just say that - anyone whos read my posts will know I try never to bullshit anyone, if somethings fucked and not working Ill say so.....
So along with more strength comes a little bit more hope, my mental strength which has suffered for so long is starting to improve. Put it this way, I got none of this over past years doing every blood test under the sun, seeing a gastroenterologist and having cameraup my arse and down my throat, that all lead nowhere and cost a bundle of money and time.
Seeing vein surgeons and having ultrasounds etc etc. That shit was just depressing and lead nowhere.
Like I said, if kinesiology doesnt appeal, find something that does, for all I know someone else is loving what hyperbaric oxygen therapy is doing for them or meditation, someone else is probably injecting peptides for all we know - whatever provides relief go seek it out.
Many of us want procedures that are proven and have a stack of science behind them, I totally get that but when the scientific approach doesnt provide any answers i.e blood testing, ultrasounds, scans of this and that kind, eye tests, mris and on and on and on. When none of that leads anywhere youve gotta start looking at another approach.
14 hours ago, MonsterDiesel said:Vitamin a exerts a lot of its actions on thyroid, testosterone productions, hyaluronic acid production thru the second messenger molecule cAMP. So it's accutane affects the way our retinoic acid receptors respond to vitamin a, camp will be unable to do its thing. This is were forskolin comes in. Forskolin is able to directly increase cAMP throught the body. I believe this is partly how Tane messes with our metabolisms. Less so, by affecting the function and levels of other nutrients.
Been on TRT for year and slowly titrating down because reasons. Started feeling like shit since levels were coming down and I was crashing. Started using 1-2 drops (very little) forskolin and the effect is incredible. I literally went from feeling like death one morning to feeling great almost instantly. I have no labs to back it up yet but I feel an effect on my thyroid and testosterone levels. Energy is up, ability to get work done is better, motivation is better and overall mood is better. If you look at studies, cAMP is needed to get the thyroid working, to activate NRF2 for testosterone production and many other pathways that were affected by Accutane.
Definitely something to research further. Remember, no Vitamin a = no cAMP = no downstream effects of vitamin a.
How will I know if this is working? Need to completely get off TRT and wait a week or two while using forskolin. If my T levels remain within normal, then it works.
This is my second major discovery. First was beta alanine and improve dryness.
How many of you are diagnosed with hypogonadism or low testosterone levels since using Accutane? What's your lowest tested level? Forskolin might help you where everything else failed.
How long are you on Forskolin so far? Please report after some time, when the honeymoon period is over, I hope the effect is sustainable.
Do you think coleus forskohlii root will work as well?
2 hours ago, AccuNate said:How long are you on Forskolin so far? Please report after some time, when the honeymoon period is over, I hope the effect is sustainable.
Do you think coleus forskohlii root will work as well?
I think any variety will work as long as its standardized for forskolin. I'll report back when I have some concrete data. Wanted to post so I don't forget to later.
What I'm learning from all this trial and error is, if something is going to work, you'll feel the effects right away. No such thing as feeling worse before better. If something doesn't agree with you..stop. Whatever will restore balance to you will produce immediate results.
im going to dump some information here to save it and close a tab.
Its worth a look.
Gut inflammation that spreads to your sinuses and joints.
You need to understand that this is something that could become a part of you, that evades an immune response.
What do you knock down and what do you promote?
you'd have to replace this with a prophylactic measure because otherwise there could just be a resurgence.
just like experimenting with 5ar inhibitors, there could be microbial involvement.
Saw palmetto for example, contains lauric acid.
Inflammation and gastrointestinal Candida colonization - NCBI - NIH
Gut colonization by Candida albicans aggravates inflammation in the ...
Gut colonization by Candida albicans aggravates inflammation in the gut and extra-gut tissues in mice
We examined whether Candida albicans gut colonization aggravates immune diseases in mice. Chronic and latent C. albicans gut colonization was established by the intragastric inoculation of C. albicans in mice fed as part of a purified diet. Allergic diarrhea was induced by repetitive intragastric administration of ovalbumin in sensitized BALB/c mice. Contact hypersensitivity was evaluated by measuring ear swelling after topical application of 2, 4-dinitrofluorobenzene in NC/Nga mice. Arthritis was induced by intradermal injection of bovine type-II collagen emulsified with complete Freunds adjuvant in DBA/1J mice. C. albicans gut colonization increased the incidence of allergic diarrhea, which was accompanied by gut hyperpermeability, as well as increased infiltration of inflammatory cells in the colon. Contact hypersensitivity was also exacerbated by C. albicans gut colonization, as demonstrated by increased swelling, myeloperoxidase activity, and proinflammatory cytokines in ear auricles. Furthermore, C. albicans gut colonization promoted limb joint inflammation in collagen-induced arthritis, in an animal model of rheumatoid arthritis. These findings suggest that C. albicans gut colonization in mice aggravates inflammation in allergic and autoimmune diseases, not only in the gut but also in the extra-gut tissues and underscores the necessity of investigating the pathogenic role of C. albicans gut colonization in immune diseases in humans.