You might want to try slippery elm and/or marshmallow as we have already talked about to greasen up your villi
Has anyone actually tried this for a reasonable period of time, enough to get past the initial enthusiasm that it might be helpful phase? What were the results?
I've only been at it for a couple days and have been gaining positive results ass far as the productivity of bms are concerned. Many herbalists are fans of it. But that's all I know from my end so far.
I spot two puns, haha
Hi Ed. I also drink lots of water... 5 pints (2.5 litres) per day. I sometimes can feel/look better for drinking more, but I rarely do because I don't want to become dependant on drinking so much water. 2.5 litres a day should be more than enough.
Thanks for the advice before, Indigo. My family are going away on holiday next week, but I don't want to go. I just can't help the way I feel/am. My Dad is acting as though I'm going, and my Mum and sister are telling me to go, because my Dad will worry about me if I stay at home. I'm in a real crap situation.
It's a shame the documentary won't be a Roaccutane exclusive, Indigo, but it would still be a big step forward even if it isn't mentioned for long. Like you said, you need to say that people taking the drug are undergoing chemotherapy for cancer without being told, and that users can suffer from an unexplained decline in health. When Accutane is mentioned in the newspapers, it only mentions depression and birth defects to an unborn baby, and these are only a fraction of the side effects.
There have been a lot of new theories posted on here lately, and to be honest, it's doing my head in. This drug has been out for 30 years now, and STILL no one knows how it works. Does no one care?
I'm also due to have a regular blood test soon, and the idea is to pick up the results of this along with the telomere results. As the telomere test was done privately, I couldn't get both done at the same time. 2.5 years ago, for the first time, both my white blood cell count was low, and my liver was slightly out of range. 6 months after this I had another blood test, and my white blood count was even lower, and my liver further out of range. God knows what it's going to be like 2 years on.
Hi Ed. I also drink lots of water... 5 pints (2.5 litres) per day. I sometimes can feel/look better for drinking more, but I rarely do because I don't want to become dependant on drinking so much water. 2.5 litres a day should be more than enough.
Thanks for the advice before, Indigo. My family are going away on holiday next week, but I don't want to go. I just can't help the way I feel/am. My Dad is acting as though I'm going, and my Mum and sister are telling me to go, because my Dad will worry about me if I stay at home. I'm in a real crap situation.
It's a shame the documentary won't be a Roaccutane exclusive, Indigo, but it would still be a big step forward even if it isn't mentioned for long. Like you said, you need to say that people taking the drug are undergoing chemotherapy for cancer without being told, and that users can suffer from an unexplained decline in health. When Accutane is mentioned in the newspapers, it only mentions depression and birth defects to an unborn baby, and these are only a fraction of the side effects.
There have been a lot of new theories posted on here lately, and to be honest, it's doing my head in. This drug has been out for 30 years now, and STILL no one knows how it works. Does no one care?
I'm also due to have a regular blood test soon, and the idea is to pick up the results of this along with the telomere results. As the telomere test was done privately, I couldn't get both done at the same time. 2.5 years ago, for the first time, both my white blood cell count was low, and my liver was slightly out of range. 6 months after this I had another blood test, and my white blood count was even lower, and my liver further out of range. God knows what it's going to be like 2 years on.
Hey James.
Hang in there as best you can.
Where are your family off to on Holiday?
I'd love a Holiday, but I understand how you don't think it'd be good for you and that you'll perhaps ruin the holiday for others.
I say go though, just to have a change of scenery.
For the last 4 days, I've had a constant twitch/spasm in my right arm... Starting to think that it's not going anywhere.
I noticed after playing Badminton on Thursday.
My worst fear is that it's Multiple Sclerosis, an autoimmune disease... It's just hard not to think of the worst case scenario when it's been there for 4 days, despite making an effort to rest it and sleep more.
Apart from that though, I don't have any other apparant problems.
It's very odd to look at. It looks as if my arm will burst open.
James - What is your diet like at the moment?
For a week now, I've avoided gluten. I wouldn't say I feel any different yet, but I don't seem to get bloated after meals, and I believe it's possible that, given time, my digestion could improve and I may start absorbing nutrients properly (assuming that I'm not at the moment).
Everyone, I would like to recommend a really good book I'm reading.
'Never Fear Cancer Again'.
Seriously - If everyone read this there would be a collapse in the health industry.
Do you know that doctor's tell cancer patients 'Food has nothing to do with cancer'. Some hand sweets out at reception.
The truth is obvious.
Cancer was rare until our diet's got messed up.
Most people think they are healthy by buying a bag of apples and potatoes, and picking up a cereal with 'added vitamins'.
The author claims that Modern medicine nearly killed him.
It points out how the statistics (i.e. how effective chemo/radiation are) surrounding cancer treatment are messed around with to make them look good.
Jesus - There's no end to the destruction modern medicine brings about.
Many people actually die because the chemo/radiation destroys the immune system - which is the best chance of surviving cancer.
I'm a third of my way through the book though.
The Author ended up with Sjogren's and other problems after taking antibiotics for too long, but claims to be 100% healthy now.
I know it sounds bold to say cancer and other serious diseases can be cured, but they're only listed as 'Uncurable' because drugs don't fix them.
If we do everything to support good health, we will get healthier.
I used to think 'Fuck it. It doesn't matter if I eat chocolate, or whatever. My body is screwed. Nothing makes a difference'.
Everytime you eat a food, it either creates health, or it creates disease.
The book's premise is:
There is only 1 disease - Cellular Malfunction. Cancer, Diabetes - you name it - are just a result of that.
There are only 2 causes of cellular malfunction - Toxicity and Deficiency. Stress is included in those, because it makes both happen.
It then explores the six pathways to either health or disease.
I'm currently still on pathway one - Nutrition.
Regardless of if cutting Gluten helps me feel better, I think I'll avoid it anyway. It's pretty easy to, and makes me more focused on eating foods that are natural and good for me. Also, Gluten has to be eliminated for hypothyroidism (and worsens other autoimmune diseases) if the cause is hashimoto's. Given time, I think this could bring me back to a healthy state.
One of the pathways is medicine, so I'm hoping it'll go into repairing the body after harsh drugs.
The book cost me 7 something, on the Kindle. It seems to be the best health book I've read so far.
Hope everyone is doing okay.
I hope the friggin' twitching goes away.
I seem to have it in my upper left eyelid too!
Peace.
Hey guys,
So stress is definitely a huge trigger, and that's what I was missing when trying to nail down my optimal diet by solely tracking food input. Sleep deprivation and circadian disruption are the biggest stress sources. Meal timing works.
I stopped scallops after getting a false positive due to the stress thing. At the time I was worried I'd develope leg cramps due to mineral deficiency. Well that freaking happened, so badly that I now have a limp. Ouch.
I had to pull an all nighter, which contributed to the cramps' severity.
So I'm back on the scallops as of today.
Someone pointed me to a thread on Dr. Crislers forum that was recently opened for Accutane victims suffering from hypogonadal symptoms.
http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?20097-Official-Accutane-Thread
I haven't spent much time there before today, but it looks like a pretty impressive site so far. Thousands of HRT discussions posted there.
Consistent with previous experience, the addition of scallops has had transformative results. Brain fog and low energy and slow recovery times seem to have vanished, along with the cramps. As long as IBS vanishes too, this is a "final solution" for me, something that will take me to the robustness needed for something approximating full time work, with tolerance for the occasional travel or all nighter, even.
WIthout scallops, I have to take extreme care with meal timing and stress because recovery times are much slower, and energy is cut in at least half, and eventually cramps develop, especially during stress.
Hello guys,
Have any of you experienced pimples/pustules breakout (face area) day or two after any sexual activity (including wet dreams)? I havent had such problem before accutane but now this shit is making me really miserable. Thanks for help. (and yes I have tried zinc and other supplements - they are not working)
Hi Ed. I also drink lots of water... 5 pints (2.5 litres) per day. I sometimes can feel/look better for drinking more, but I rarely do because I don't want to become dependant on drinking so much water. 2.5 litres a day should be more than enough.
Thanks for the advice before, Indigo. My family are going away on holiday next week, but I don't want to go. I just can't help the way I feel/am. My Dad is acting as though I'm going, and my Mum and sister are telling me to go, because my Dad will worry about me if I stay at home. I'm in a real crap situation.
It's a shame the documentary won't be a Roaccutane exclusive, Indigo, but it would still be a big step forward even if it isn't mentioned for long. Like you said, you need to say that people taking the drug are undergoing chemotherapy for cancer without being told, and that users can suffer from an unexplained decline in health. When Accutane is mentioned in the newspapers, it only mentions depression and birth defects to an unborn baby, and these are only a fraction of the side effects.
There have been a lot of new theories posted on here lately, and to be honest, it's doing my head in. This drug has been out for 30 years now, and STILL no one knows how it works. Does no one care?
I'm also due to have a regular blood test soon, and the idea is to pick up the results of this along with the telomere results. As the telomere test was done privately, I couldn't get both done at the same time. 2.5 years ago, for the first time, both my white blood cell count was low, and my liver was slightly out of range. 6 months after this I had another blood test, and my white blood count was even lower, and my liver further out of range. God knows what it's going to be like 2 years on.
Hey James.
Hang in there as best you can.
Where are your family off to on Holiday?
I'd love a Holiday, but I understand how you don't think it'd be good for you and that you'll perhaps ruin the holiday for others.
I say go though, just to have a change of scenery.
For the last 4 days, I've had a constant twitch/spasm in my right arm... Starting to think that it's not going anywhere.
I noticed after playing Badminton on Thursday.
My worst fear is that it's Multiple Sclerosis, an autoimmune disease... It's just hard not to think of the worst case scenario when it's been there for 4 days, despite making an effort to rest it and sleep more.
Apart from that though, I don't have any other apparant problems.
It's very odd to look at. It looks as if my arm will burst open.
James - What is your diet like at the moment?
For a week now, I've avoided gluten. I wouldn't say I feel any different yet, but I don't seem to get bloated after meals, and I believe it's possible that, given time, my digestion could improve and I may start absorbing nutrients properly (assuming that I'm not at the moment).
Everyone, I would like to recommend a really good book I'm reading.
'Never Fear Cancer Again'.
Seriously - If everyone read this there would be a collapse in the health industry.
Do you know that doctor's tell cancer patients 'Food has nothing to do with cancer'. Some hand sweets out at reception.
The truth is obvious.
Cancer was rare until our diet's got messed up.
Most people think they are healthy by buying a bag of apples and potatoes, and picking up a cereal with 'added vitamins'.
The author claims that Modern medicine nearly killed him.
It points out how the statistics (i.e. how effective chemo/radiation are) surrounding cancer treatment are messed around with to make them look good.
Jesus - There's no end to the destruction modern medicine brings about.
Many people actually die because the chemo/radiation destroys the immune system - which is the best chance of surviving cancer.
I'm a third of my way through the book though.
The Author ended up with Sjogren's and other problems after taking antibiotics for too long, but claims to be 100% healthy now.
I know it sounds bold to say cancer and other serious diseases can be cured, but they're only listed as 'Uncurable' because drugs don't fix them.
If we do everything to support good health, we will get healthier.
I used to think 'Fuck it. It doesn't matter if I eat chocolate, or whatever. My body is screwed. Nothing makes a difference'.
Everytime you eat a food, it either creates health, or it creates disease.
The book's premise is:
There is only 1 disease - Cellular Malfunction. Cancer, Diabetes - you name it - are just a result of that.
There are only 2 causes of cellular malfunction - Toxicity and Deficiency. Stress is included in those, because it makes both happen.
It then explores the six pathways to either health or disease.
I'm currently still on pathway one - Nutrition.
Regardless of if cutting Gluten helps me feel better, I think I'll avoid it anyway. It's pretty easy to, and makes me more focused on eating foods that are natural and good for me. Also, Gluten has to be eliminated for hypothyroidism (and worsens other autoimmune diseases) if the cause is hashimoto's. Given time, I think this could bring me back to a healthy state.
One of the pathways is medicine, so I'm hoping it'll go into repairing the body after harsh drugs.
The book cost me 7 something, on the Kindle. It seems to be the best health book I've read so far.
Hope everyone is doing okay.
I hope the friggin' twitching goes away.
I seem to have it in my upper left eyelid too!
Peace.
Have you ever been called a hypochondriac?
As long as IBS vanishes too, this is a "final solution" for me, something that will take me to the robustness neededJoseph, you're going around in circles. You need to realize that this is accutane's damage.
Negative. I was going around in circles when I didn't realize stress was a trigger. Now I'm recovered from a weekend all nighter and business trip on Tuesday morning, whereas normally a weekend business trip (without all nighter) would take me until Thursday or Friday to recover.
Plus, my energy level and libido is higher than it would've been on Friday, already.
Repetition can either signal circularity or productive refinement.
JosephBuchignani:By the way, I tried canned tuna last Sunday and it flattened me until today. Too much fat, I guess. 2-3%. Only other thing it had in it was water.
Maybe the scallops you ate before your trip were contaminated with canned tuna?
Why are you posting here if you think stress is the source of your illnesses?
Weren't you cured from ALL of accutane's side effects already? http://ragforum.free...fects-t175.html
You've been doing a great job productively refining yourself all through this thread.
Hi everyone, ive been away from this forum for a few months just trying to get on with my life but unfortunetly i cannot do that becasue it always seems like im getting new side effects months after stopping the treatment. I only took accutane for 3 and a half months, first month 40mg. 2nd month 60 and the final month 80. so becasue of the fact that i was only on tane for half the recommended time i tought that maybe my side effects would fade away but unfortunetly that has not happened yet.
I stopped becasue of severe dry/red eyes. Now around 3 months later i still have dry/red eyes, Brain fog, muscle/ joint pain, facial redness(slowly going away) so far only in my shoulders i never got any back pain even throughout my course. I took centrum omega 3 pro nutrients for about a week because i was told it would help my eyes however i stopped because it was causing headaches.
I am a very athletic person, play basket ball and football, Im sure playing contact sports does not help with the muscle/joint pain but it helps me ignore my side effects and have a semi normal life but im afraid that as time goes on the side effects will get worse and i will not be able to do anything active.
My question is how exactly does accutane cause more side effects years down the road, some of my side effects have already went away so how are more apearing ? I no longer have dry lips, skin is not as dry as it was on the tane coarse, I already had thin hair before my course so im not really sure if that has changed.
JosephBuchignani: By the way, I tried canned tuna last Sunday and it flattened me until today. Too much fat, I guess. 2-3%. Only other thing it had in it was water.Maybe the scallops you ate before your trip were contaminated with canned tuna? Why are you posting here if you think stress is the source of your illnesses? Weren't you cured from ALL of accutane's side effects already? http://ragforum.free...fects-t175.html You've been doing a great job productively refining yourself all through this thread.
The tuna test was also contaminated by stress from sleep deprivation.
Yes at various points I have thought I had it nailed down; the diet part hasn't changed much. It would be a period without stress and I'd think I succeeded. Then stress would kick in, and I'd assume something must be wrong with the diet.
Given the completely undefined parameters of the problem, and my current level of success, yes I do think I've done a good job. I'm not at all concerned about how many incorrect iterations had to be discarded. That's how progress happens.
EDIT: I suppose one could accuse me of optimism to the point of patheticness, but 8 years of being mostly dead have taught me that any hope with a shred of reasonable foundation should be indulged to the maximum extent possible, particularly those that energize rather than interfere with experimental adherence.
A family member just tested positive for homozygous (2 copies of C677T) MTHFR mutations. This predisposes one towards greater vulnerability to toxins. It is prevalent in Caucasian populations.
The article specifically mentions vulnerability to heavy metals. However, Vit-A is fat-soluble like heavy metals and behaves similarly for detox purposes. So we could be genetically pre-selected to react poorly to Accutane by this mutation.
I plan to get tested, and recommend others do the same.
This would help explain a lot - if a significant percentage of us actually have two underlying problems, not one.
There are many startling parallels in this article, including the recommendation for sauna use: http://mthfr.net/mth...col/2012/02/24/
Another is the recommendation to avoid magnesium stearate, which I already have to do.
EDIT: Apparently there are only a few decent articles on the net about this, as it's quite new. Here they are:
http://mthfr.net/read-this-first/2012/01/25/
http://mthfr.net/what-is-mthfr/2011/11/04/
http://mthfr.net/mthfr-mutations-and-the-conditions-they-cause/2011/09/07/
In my case, I had mild IBS and some specific dietary intolerances before taking Accutane, which were likely due to this mutation.
Also, one of the effects is shortened telomerase length.
So today i was curious to find out why exactly some say that taking Omega-3 supplements are bad for us who have taken accutane. Here is the link to what I found
http://www.springboard4health.com/notebook/nutrients_omega3.html
In a small paragraph it talks about Good fish oil and bad fish oil, the good being the fish oil from the skin and head, the BAD being fish liver oil found in some omega-3's
The difference between the two are that Fish liver oil contains a very rich amount of vitamen A which as most of us already know is not what we need to help out post tan side effects.
Therefore my overal conclusion would be that not all omega-3's are bad for us, its all about finding the right ones.
Now im obviously No expert on this stuff but after reading everything in that link that i provided it seems that even the good omega 3's can cause later problems.
So we could be genetically pre-selected to react poorly to Accutane by this mutation.
Genetic variance is guaranteed to be a factor in how some get hit so hard by side effects. Other factors would be how old when taking it (younger the higher risk), diet, levels of bodyfat, and sex (males would likely be hit harder due to DHT drop).
On genetic traits, consider a test for secretor/non-secretor status. I would think non-secretors would be more at risk due to having less protection at the surface areas of the skin and digestive tract, and be more prone to acne in the first place.
However it's unlikely to present a solution, although it would probably be good to know.
it seems that even the good omega 3's can cause later problems.
This matches my experience.
Though I can't comment on fish head oil being good.
Thanks for the reply Maynerd. Most of the 8 years i've been on a 10mg a day dose. The first 6 months 40mg. Been on and off acctuane during the years with breaks no longer than 2 months each year. I've looked into slippery elm and marshmallow. To be honest, I'm not a big fan of the natural/herban stuff. Never had the feeling it worked. I'm also a little scared that if i take this stuff I'll be spending the next few days on the bathroom...
Does anyone has experience with enema flushing? This for now seems to make the most sense since I can shit, but some remains in my body. Also this seems the "safest" thing too try, or am I overlooking something?
@Indigorush: I've been a long time member of acne.org but not really visited the forums lately until I saw your vids on Youtube. Good work man!
@Everyone: I think it's great that we have some sort of information thing here about long term effects of accutane usage. It's only too bad that the information is not really accessible because it's all in one topic. Would anyone be interested in creating some sort of information resource (ask Dan for a special sub-forum), make a real info website about accutane etc? I've been a long time user and can tell a thing or two about the effects of accutane and I'm sure there are a lot more people who can help out. I want to get the word out that this medicine is way to dangerous and I wished I was fully aware of what was in store for me...
Sorry for your troubles @hitman87. What dose were you on for such a long time? You might want to try slippery elm and/or marshmallow as we have already talked about to greasen up your villi. I think we can learn from these extreme cases. It is interesting because I read this article by a naturopath who thinks the tane is compacted in our stomachs and that is why we get ibd. She recommends enema flushing. it could be stuck or it could have made our stomachs dry and therefore the food we ingest on a regular basis gets stuck easily. I wish we could do some rat studies of our own.
Thanks for the reply Maynerd. Most of the 8 years i've been on a 10mg a day dose. The first 6 months 40mg. Been on and off acctuane during the years with breaks no longer than 2 months each year. I've looked into slippery elm and marshmallow. To be honest, I'm not a big fan of the natural/herban stuff. Never had the feeling it worked. I'm also a little scared that if i take this stuff I'll be spending the next few days on the bathroom...
Hey! You've been on accutane almost as long as I have! What are the full list of problems are you experiencing might I ask? I saw you mentioned in another topic that you just "felt better" after accutane. Can I inquire in what way? Do you think this positive feeling outweighs the mental stress we get from acne?
I have severe acne and have been keeping it a bay with this drug from quite a long time. I really don't experience any side effects that I can define as being life dampening, especially when compared to the alternative. But I am still curious to know what I might have to look forward to!
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Right now I don't feel much better not being on accutane. It's because of the obstipation problems i'm having, mixed with being very tired, sad and moody. Normally when I stopped accutane It would feel like a thick blanket was lifted from me. Didn't feel tired anymore, Felt almost so happy that I would burst into laugh about stupid things and was overall a lot more energetic. Here is a list of what accutane did for me (the bad things ):
- Being moody, tired, emotional (unable to cry though), suicidal, very sarcastic and negative. Unable to really enjoy something. Brain fog, unable to remember things (short term things. Long term things are still fine). Lately I also seem to forget what I was going to say, half way through a sentence
- Nose bleeds, constant feeling of having a cold (full nose)
- Decreased night vision
- Dry lips/eyes
- Numb feeling arround my crown jewels (but at the same time the feeling I'm on some sort of hormonal turbo mode)
- Balding (same as getting older balding, but It started when I started accutane. It seems like the clock just fastforwared years!)
- Stiff joints (I notice it especially when playing an guitar. I get a long much better when not on accutane. Goes a lot smoother)
- Farting and burping (it gets a lot less when not on accutane)
- Very slow and sometimes strange healing of wounds
- When I stop accutane I get extreme mucus/slime production from my mouth
- Low weight (and hard to get heavier) lost appetite
- Anal bleeds (because of dryness around the anus)
- Easier to get drunk (after a couple of drinks)
- Very red and bleedy gums
- Easier to pick up infections (less resistant)
- Lower back pain and terrible RSI
I'm sure there is a lot more, but after 8 years you seem to deem some stuff "normal". I always thought the same thing as you're saying, but honestly the day will come that you also will question the usage of Accutane. I never expected the day would come for me, but it did. Now I'm using a single silly zinc tablet a day and got amazing results. I have very mixed feelings about it, because I wish I would have tried it a lot earlier. Good food, sleep and drinking also help though.
I'm sure there is a lot more, but after 8 years you seem to deem some stuff "normal". I always thought the same thing as you're saying, but honestly the day will come that you also will question the usage of Accutane. I never expected the day would come for me, but it did. Now I'm using a single silly zinc tablet a day and got amazing results. I have very mixed feelings about it, because I wish I would have tried it a lot earlier. Good food, sleep and drinking also help though.
Thanks for the info! I'm trying to use this list to kind of highlight stuff that might not be obvious to me at first.
The things that jump out to me are:
- Slightly bloody snot in the mornings (I don't experience nosebleeds)
- Dry lips / Eyes - (Definitely, but not an issue because products eliminate this side effect entirely)
- Slow healing of wounds. (Definitely, no solution to this.)
- Thin skin on hands, easily cut. (Only seems to effect my hands for some reason)
- Moody (I'm not sure about this one, because I've always been moody... )
Other than that... I don't experience any of those symptoms. Could I just be lucky? Or did those symptoms appear after you went off accutane?
Oh by the way! I tried zinc one time when my accutane unexpectedly ran out on me.... didn't work =[
Also I was curious about my other question...
Assuming I still have severe acne (which I do for the time being) Do you think this positive feeling of not taking accutane outweighs the mental and physical hardships we get from acne? I would value your opinion because you are the same situation as me!
I have everything from your list. The thin skin on hands got some people notice "my soft hands" haha. Some of the symptoms pop up after time, some when you stop. Most of my list is during Accutane though. I use zinc picolinate which seems to be the best absorbent zinc form. I actually can't imagine that I havent tried it before, so It might be that i used "regular" zinc that didnt work. This zinc picolinate doesnt clear me 100% (I also just take 22mg, could do the double dose), but about 90% which is fine by me. I combine this with a diet thats rich of fibers, and very low on sugar, no alcohol, no smoking. Sugar seems to be the number 1 trigger for my acne. Really weird that something so obvious is the trigger.
To answer your question, I think it's not worth the risks. Also I noticed that after being clear for years I can't be bothered with acne as much as I did before I started Accutane. Maybe I say this because I found a acceptable alternative to accutane. I got a wake-up call because of my recent problems about the Accutane risks, so that also changed my perspective on things. Thought it would never happen to me because I thought that I already experienced everything so nothing new could happen...
On 3/29/2012 at 4:52 AM, hitman87 said:I have everything from your list. [Edited image out]The thin skin on hands got some people notice "my soft hands" haha. Some of the symptoms pop up after time, some when you stop. Most of my list is during Accutane though. I use zinc picolinate which seems to be the best absorbent zinc form. I actually can't imagine that I havent tried it before, so It might be that i used "regular" zinc that didnt work. This zinc picolinate doesnt clear me 100% (I also just take 22mg, could do the double dose), but about 90% which is fine by me. I combine this with a diet thats rich of fibers, and very low on sugar, no alcohol, no smoking. Sugar seems to be the number 1 trigger for my acne. Really weird that something so obvious is the trigger.
I took 50mg of zinc a day, but I'm not sure what type of zinc it was. Maybe it's worth trying again with zinc picolinate.
I'm going to also try a high fiber diet (pills and raw veggies) combined with some probiotics. That seems the be the only thing I haven't tried that people have had success with. I'd love to be off accutane, but without a working alternative I really have no choice at this point...