Here was big discussion in the last few pages which supplements are helpful or worthless. I was really busy in the last time but I should have more time now to look in deeper in our problems.

I™m following the cure of tryingtohelp2014 but I also admit the healing of annoyy.

Hormon Balance Stack:

I™m still using these supplements below:

- 5000mg taurine (generally improvement, helps to fall in asleep, less irritated, more relaxed)

- 2mg copper (improves the brain fog)

- 5000iu (10 drops) vitamin D3 (I don™t feel a directly improvement from vitamin d3, but I have a strong deficiency)

- 400mg magnesium (generally improvement)

- 50mg 7-keto DHEA (less sweating, better erections of my penis)

Copper is crucial to generate noradrenaline and adrenaline in the brain.

Low copper > Low noradrenaline and adrenaline > brainfog

Where are formed the hormons adrenalin and noradrenalin? In the adrenal glands!

I and many other accutane victims have positive effects with taurine, dhea, magnesium, etc. These supplements are also used to treat adrenal fatigue.

I believe with these supplements we support our weak adrenals.

However we don™t have adrenal fatigue because our cortisol levels are in range. But it™s similar to adrenal fatigue.

Something works wrong there or there is constipation to the way to the adrenals. Maybe caused by adrenal gland inflammation triggered by taking accutane??

My Theory

- Our main problems are in the adrenals and not in the liver

- Liver flushes with tudca, udca won™t heal anything for a long term effect

Taking accutane > poisoned the adrenals > adrenal gland inflammation > fungus / bacterial infection and overgrowth > constipation > Vitamin / Mineral conversion and absorption is blocked

As a result of the bacterial / fungus constipation our body isn™t able to heal the inflammation themselves.

So we have to remove the fungus / bacteria™s first with herbs, supplements and suitable foods.

After removing the bad bacteria™s, the infected area may be cured automatically.

But it™s very difficult to predict which herbs or supplements are effective enough.

But following 4 people have achieved a successful recovery from the accutane damage:

- trantran8333   (post from 25 march 2016)

- Mr Ketogenic  (post from 13 april 2016)

- eph95               (post from 22 april 2016)

- annoy               (post from 16 juni 2016)

Person 1 (tantran8333) took:

- Humaworm

- Parasite Zapper

- Colloidal silver

- Thorne™s SF722 (10-Undecenoic Acid)

Person 2 (Mr. Ketogenic) took:

- Strictly anti candida diet

- Nystatin

- Taurine

- Magnesium

- Zink

- Vitamin D

- Creatine

- Naltraxone

- Cortif

Person 3 (eph95) took:

- Black walnut hulls

- Wormwood

- L glutamine

- Probiotics

Person 4 (annoyy) took:

- Olive oil

- Glandular™s (Which ones?)

- Detox herbs (Which ones?)

- The ourbotanicals 2 weeks kit

- Candigone (nutracraft)

- Has eaten only vegetables and fruits

Anti Candida / Parasites Stack (RESTART as soon as possible):

Unfortunately, I haven™t had truly success with my anti candida stack. The drug nystatin has had no effect.
But I really FEEL there is something happening especially when I take higher dosages of the liquid clean which contains a lot of different stuffs (wormwood , black walnuts, cloves,¦).

This feeling isn™t positive!! I start to sweat more. I was restless so that it resulted in sleep disorders.

Maybe I need something to flush out the attacked parasites. It also possible that the fungal / parasites are very resistant in my body.

I™m going to start another stack in a few weeks, but I have to buy more suitable herbs:

I have currently at home:

- Olive oil
- Liquid Clean for Candida / Parasites
  (Wormwood, Black Walnuts, etc...)

- Probiotics

I will order soon:

- Thorne™s SF722 (10-Undecenoic Acid)

- Mix of different detox herbs

We should create together a list of good detox herbs which has a positive effect.

I wish you all a successful recovery. Sorry for my English.

Yes the adrenals are truly the most impacted gland, don't know if liver first or adrenal but when i took the accutane isotherapy, i had some very strong reaction there (when you know what adrenal reactions feels (i learned it from glandular's extractuse)). Since accutane is evacuated via glucuronidation, it seems logical that kidneys/adrenals & colon got most of the damage (& liver ofc) since it can be reabsorbed there.but ofc any toxins will go that way too. global toxicity (from natural cells waste, and exteriortoxins)with time comes from those damaged excretory organs, andintestinal permeability mixed with digestive weakness (specially complex/impossible to break down "frankenstein" molecules from cooked foods, and gluten, that enters blood).

You can add that i also took vitamin D, verylow dose K2,A, zinc & magnesium, was pretty important (specially the D), but to be honest the sun was 10times morepotent.

1 hour ago, anonyy said:

Yes the adrenals are truly the most impacted gland, don't know if liver first or adrenal but when i took the accutane isotherapy, i had some very strong reaction there (when you know what adrenal reactions feels (i learned it from glandular's extractuse)). Since accutane is evacuated via glucuronidation, it seems logical that kidneys/adrenals & colon got most of the damage (& liver ofc) since it can be reabsorbed there.but ofc any toxins will go that way too. global toxicity (from natural cells waste, and exteriortoxins)with time comes from those damaged excretory organs, andintestinal permeability mixed with digestive weakness (specially complex/impossible to break down "frankenstein" molecules from cooked foods, and gluten, that enters blood).

You can add that i also took vitamin D, verylow dose K2,A, zinc & magnesium, was pretty important (specially the D), but to be honest the sun was 10times morepotent.

What is your theory or thoughts on fasting? A couple of posts up from this it mentions "water fasting" to achieve some deep level cell repair. Do you think this can be achieved alone through diet and supplements? ( I've tried Niacin for example ). I get very weak even from the last stages of Moritz liver cleanse where you don't eat for a day and a half ( not long I know ), obviously you would have to build up tolerance to go longer but in theory it sounds like a sure way for doing some deep level cleansing/repair at a cellular level.

Even for someone who hasn't touched Accutane it sounds like a good way to detox to me!!?

Thoughts??

I believe you become very weak because of the flush, it's not that gentle on the body.
I don't believe people should fast directly, if you have a too weak body, and lot of toxicity, if you start fasting, mobilizing toxins and your body can't cope, it can end very badly, but only if you do 3days+ fasts. Better start with liver flush, hypotoxicdiet, herbs & glandular's.
You can only repair at the cellular levels if the fast indeed provoke a detox, and not more intoxication by mobilizing things it cannot copewith and eliminate x)

If you didn't took accutane or has a special conditionyea fasting is the best.

1 hour ago, anonyy said:

I believe you become very weak because of the flush, it's not that gentle on the body.
I don't believe people should fast directly, if you have a too weak body, and lot of toxicity, if you start fasting, mobilizing toxins and your body can't cope, it can end very badly, but only if you do 3days+ fasts. Better start with liver flush, hypotoxicdiet, herbs & glandular's.
You can only repair at the cellular levels if the fast indeed provoke a detox, and not more intoxication by mobilizing things it cannot copewith and eliminate x)

If you didn't took accutane or has a special conditionyea fasting is the best.

Thanks anonyy.

Just to be clear with "Herbs"
Pls list them and which brand??

I'm aware of glandulars - 1-2 week program through "Dr Morse" brand.

Took those from the kidney flush of Clark, then multiple local brand i don't remember, but to be honest the more effective are the Dr Morse ones.

2 hours ago, anonyy said:

Took those from the kidney flush of Clark, then multiple local brand i don't remember, but to be honest the more effective are the Dr Morse ones.

What sort of reaction/feeling do you get from Kidney cleanse specifically?

I know with Liver when it kicks in should result in more energy - correct?

Problem with doing too much at once is you don't know which one is working.

# Liver Cleanse
# Kidney Cleanse
# Lymph Ceanse
# Adrenal Tonic

Should you do Lymph in conjunction with Kidney cleanse?

What sort of reaction did you get with those herbs and adrenal tonic??

Was it more energy, less brain fog, better sleep?

I can't tell more energy, but "less weight" on the whole system i'll say, and better functioning in general.

Lymph is eliminated via kidneys so yes, the kit are made with herbs synergy, moving lymph, elimination, and parasite elimination if i remember, & other kind of herbs or ingredients. Exercizing moves lymph, trampoline too.

It's not like that, you don't feel better instantly, detox takes time, but you definitively feel less tension/sluggishness in the kidney area, it help them working.

Can't give number for when you start feeling better, i did so many thing before finding that, but in 2weeks you should feel a difference, maybe it's good to start with liver flush first, to eliminate the liver weakness who's a problem for the whole system. You should take into account glandular's too, i personally took with those kits a adrenal, pituitary & parathyroid one, but the adrenal one is the most important.

Thanks again anonyy.

Im curious what you have for breakfast? I'm currently on oats to lower cholesterol - I believe it's working but I'm due for more blood tests soon to find out
for sure.

Given you know about physiology, I'm keen to know if oats is ok or if there's something better long term? ( I do oats with yoghurt & honey )

Its a left field question but the more I look at diet the more I believe breakfast is most important meal of the day. Lunch you can vary with salads and different choices, similar thing with dinner. Breakfast is important to get the day off to a good start!!

Do you juice during the day? In morning and if so what do you take?

Id imagine you don't eat bread or pasta or at least limit your intake??

Anyone tried eating a very low fat/fat free diet for a time?

I had a bit of an issue a couple of weeks back which I believe was actually a cystic duct obstruction, resulting in me getting very ill about 60 minutes after eating - especially bad when eating fat, which led me to suspect a gallbladder issue.

60 minutes or so after eating I would get a very high heart rate, feeling very faint and nauseous and I also got a feeling of panic. Generally lasted for 15 minutes or so badly and to a lesser extent for about 45 minutes. Symptoms actually match a 'gallbladder attack'.This all lasted almost a week, and by the time I'd sought medical advice I believe the issue was resolved (no cystic duct obstruction on ultrasounds, no gallstones although I do have cholesterol stones in the gallbladder). My liver enzymes and bilirubin levels were in range - the only obvious evidence of an issue was my blood was acidic (usually ph 7.45-7.55, not sure what minewas but obviously below 7 - I need to confirm exact figure)

During this issue I was eating very little, and only really consuming low fat stuff - low fat plain yoghurt with kiwi or banana, jacket potato with sauerkraut, fried (fried in coconut oil) courgettes and veggie mince with tinned tomatoes - that was pretty much it. Drinking lots of mineral water and some coconut water.

Once I started to feel better I juiced some veggies and had juice drinks, and slowly re-introduced more normal foods, however for 3-4 days then on my sides improved fairly considerably, especially sexual sides (much improved sensitivity). I didn't post anything on here as I decided to give it a week, but unfortunately after 3-4 days things started returning to baseline.

Possible reasons for the improvement? - I did wonder if it was down to a week of effectively calorie restriction, but I've done fasts before and never got improvements like that. Then I wondered if was down to juicing a load of veg for 3 days after feeling better, including lots of radishes (good for liver and gallbladder, and apparently lower bilirubin), but I've been eating for juicing loads for a few days now with no improvement.

Now I'm wondering if it was down to eating very low fat for a time, so wondering if anyone has done this? Coconut fats don't trigger a release of bile, but saturated fats do. Anyone tried very low fat for a time to see how they feel?

I don't know everything about physiology, but what i learned with experience and the experience & learning from dr Morse mainly.

In truth breakfast is the worst meal of the day xD
If you feel the need to eat at breakfast you have adrenal weakness. It's better to not eat before lunch.
Morning you have cortisol and digestive nervous system not fully awakeand should not feel the need to eat for at least 2-3 hours after waking up. If you eat after waking up you will disregulate the adrenals for the whole day, and be tired far sooner.

I believe oat at far better than gluten grains but anyway it's better to avoid them, at least if you want to detox. Dairy is the most intoxicating food, but yoghurt are less toxic i think.

If you want to eat in the morning juice are better yea. I juiced while i was detoxing, i ate only fruits & vegetables, and sometimes grains but absolutely never gluten, dairy or any animal products for 2.5 years. But now i don't do so much juice no, i even eat meat sometimes, even gluten but i think i'll do an other detox period soon, more powerful with fasts.

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Edit: i'll have to add about the copper thing, that apart from the very intoxicating effect it has, and that my kidneys struggled to expell it for multiple days (and it disrupted my adrenals, nervous system & digestion), it maybe has some positive effects (probably because the body maybe succeed to use/convert some of it, certainly less than 10% like all rock-made supplements). But in the supplement form, copper is pure poison, never do that, it's the worst of all mineral supplement. It can be positive to take copper i believe, while at the same time eliminating the excess from the toxic form (certainly caused by liver & biliary congestion & bad diet), but only in a natural nontoxic form. But i'm almost sure, that this copper issue if it exist is probablycaused by accutane (and its induced global weakness), by exhausting all zinc stores (vitamin A primary mineral cofactor is zinc), and rendering copper toxic/oxidized alone (pure theory/guessing). I took "lot" of zinc after this copper poisoning to counter it also..
Here is my experience & theory of it at least.
Anyway in any case it's always better to let the body take care of things by itself, homeostasis is easy to break. Main problem is always toxicity/congestion, that prevent cells to absorb nutrients, organs to convert it to an utilizable form (liver adrenals), and organs to expell toxic/oxidized forms (kidneys/colon).

Is it safe to say that besides experimenting with supplements and diet, A baseline protocol would involve fasting and liver flushes?

5 hours ago, anonyy said:

I don't know everything about physiology, but what i learned with experience and the experience & learning from dr Morse mainly.

In truth breakfast is the worst meal of the day xD
If you feel the need to eat at breakfast you have adrenal weakness. It's better to not eat before lunch.
Morning you have cortisol and digestive nervous system not fully awakeand should not feel the need to eat for at least 2-3 hours after waking up. If you eat after waking up you will disregulate the adrenals for the whole day, and be tired far sooner.

I believe oat at far better than gluten grains but anyway it's better to avoid them, at least if you want to detox. Dairy is the most intoxicating food, but yoghurt are less toxic i think.

If you want to eat in the morning juice are better yea. I juiced while i was detoxing, i ate only fruits & vegetables, and sometimes grains but absolutely never gluten, dairy or any animal products for 2.5 years. But now i don't do so much juice no, i even eat meat sometimes, even gluten but i think i'll do an other detox period soon, more powerful with fasts.

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Edit: i'll have to add about the copper thing, that apart from the very intoxicating effect it has, and that my kidneys struggled to expell it for multiple days (and it disrupted my adrenals, nervous system & digestion), it maybe has some positive effects (probably because the body maybe succeed to use/convert some of it, certainly less than 10% like all rock-made supplements). But in the supplement form, copper is pure poison, never do that, it's the worst of all mineral supplement. It can be positive to take copper i believe, while at the same time eliminating the excess from the toxic form (certainly caused by liver & biliary congestion & bad diet), but only in a natural nontoxic form. But i'm almost sure, that this copper issue if it exist is probablycaused by accutane (and its induced global weakness), by exhausting all zinc stores (vitamin A primary mineral cofactor is zinc), and rendering copper toxic/oxidized alone (pure theory/guessing). I took "lot" of zinc after this copper poisoning to counter it also..
Here is my experience & theory of it at least.
Anyway in any case it's always better to let the body take care of things by itself, homeostasis is easy to break. Main problem is always toxicity/congestion, that prevent cells to absorb nutrients, organs to convert it to an utilizable form (liver adrenals), and organs to expell toxic/oxidized forms (kidneys/colon).

On the flip side with copper would you advocate taking the supplement "Moly Zinc" to help rid excess copper from the body??

obviously the best way to eliminate is through detox but would it hurt to use Molyzinc to speed up the process?

I get your point about getting Copper naturally whilst working on correcting the balance in the body by reducing organ congestion!!

I want to work on Lymph and Adrenals now to help body function!

Yes, I'm the living proof that years without morning erectioon, without blood flux in penis can cause fibrosis, I'm the proof that accutane can cause penile fibrosis, penile curvature and penile shortening.

zinc i'll say yes but molybdenum don't know, will try.

edit: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10649845 note sure i will try actually xD

I have been taking l carnosine. its a copper binding protein and chelator. its effects on copper chelation in the brain is comparable topenicillamine.
l carnosine is also a protector of ceruloplasmin. This might simultaneously lower free copper levels and raise ceruloplasmin as it binds copper. Ive been going through some pretty wicked side effects since taking this supplement(which a normal person shouldnt because this otherwise is considered a very safe supplement), but alot of the side effects seem to be diminishing which gives me reason to continue to take this. This basically might mobilize and bind excesscopper(which may not feel pleasant) to be excreted mostly through the urine, your pecker actually stings when this happens. it passes. I will get more copper blood tests each month to see if and how l carnosine is effecting my copper levels.
Not saying im recommending this for anyone. But this is what im doing.

Hello everyone,

I joined these forums a few months ago. I am 32, male and have suffered from chronic and unbearable 'dry', flaky, scaly, tight, unmoisturable, facial skin for 14 years since being on Accutane in 2002.
 

The dryness never went away after stopping Accutane. I've lived a nightmare ever since. My facial skin is permanently dry, flaky, scaly, itchy, tight, peeling and sore - all this exists together with my Seborhheic Dermatitis and Rosacea and moderate Acne I have had since I was 16.

After speaking to tryingtohelp2014 who has similar symptoms I had a bunch of blood tests last month. I have attached the full results in the hope that they will shed some light on where I have internal issues. I hope it can help others too as we gather everyone's results

Please take a look and I would appreciate if anyone could suggest what I should do next. Remember, what I am trying to solve is the chronically dry facial skin that just does not hydrate or moisturise and is so sensitive to so many things.

Among some of my deficiencies are Copper and Zinc, Vitamin D and some Fatty Acids

Thanks

Carl

1 hour ago, carlesenagrag said:

Hello everyone,

I joined these forums a few months ago. I am 32, male and have suffered from chronic and unbearable 'dry', flaky, scaly, tight, unmoisturable, facial skin for 14 years since being on Accutane in 2002.
 

The dryness never went away after stopping Accutane. I've lived a nightmare ever since. My facial skin is permanently dry, flaky, scaly, itchy, tight, peeling and sore - all this exists together with my Seborhheic Dermatitis and Rosacea and moderate Acne I have had since I was 16.

I've tried everything: topical, oral, dermatological, nautural, homeopathic, supplementary, moisturisers, diet, you name it.

The last 2 years things have gotten totally out of control.

I still produce Sebum strangely, but my face simply doesn't absorb any moisture. It is impossible to moisturise it. This is a nightmare for me, and also means it is impossible for me to conceal my SD, Rosacea and Acne via use of camouflage and concealers because anything I put on my skin just crumbles and flakes over the top of this permanetly dry scaly layer that sits on the surface.

Also, air conditioning and excess heat or cold also makes these 'dry' symptoms even worse. My eyes and lips are constlanty sore too and I am always tired also.

After speaking to tryingtohelp2014 who has similar symptoms I had a bunch of blood tests last month. I have attached the full results in the hope that they will shed some light on where I have internal issues. I hope it can help others too as we gather everyone's results

Please take a look and I would appreciate if anyone could suggest what I should do next. Remember, what I am trying to solve is the chronically dry facial skin that just does not hydrate or moisturise and is so sensitive to so many things.

Among some of my deficiencies are Copper and Zinc, Vitamin D and some Fatty Acids

Thanks

Carl

I know exactly what you're talking about in regards to your current skin dilemma. Something that has my skin getting better and better every day is cold showers and nofap. My skin has visibly been repairing itself in a way that no supplement or other strategy has ever been able to do.

8 hours ago, guitarman01 said:

I have been taking l carnosine. its a copper binding protein and chelator. its effects on copper chelation in the brain is comparable topenicillamine.
l carnosine is also a protector of ceruloplasmin. This might simultaneously lower free copper levels and raise ceruloplasmin as it binds copper. Ive been going through some pretty wicked side effects since taking this supplement(which a normal person shouldnt because this otherwise is considered a very safe supplement), but alot of the side effects seem to be diminishing which gives me reason to continue to take this. This basically might mobilize and bind excesscopper(which may not feel pleasant) to be excreted mostly through the urine, your pecker actually stings when this happens. it passes. I will get more copper blood tests each month to see if and how l carnosine is effecting my copper levels.
Not saying im recommending this for anyone. But this is what im doing.

You would know more than me but I didn't read it seeing removes free copper?

It looks good though for skin and wound healing amongst other things!!

thanks for sharing!

listen... the goal here is not to remove the copper... the goal is to raise the ceruloplasmin. the main thing that raises ceruloplasmin is copper... then Vitamin A, boron, Vit C , P5P, manganese.

here is yet another person testing low in serum copper above. this isnt rocket science.

annoyy: hey dingbat, one if you could actually feel your kidney having problems eliminating copper... you would be prescient.. the kidneys arent the route where copper is eliminated... its eliminated thru the bile, and sweat. only in EXTREME cases like wilsons disease is it eliminated in the urine because of a true toxicity from the liver cells leaking copper... which NONE of us has. one of us actually tested low in the urine. i have yet to see any serum test showing anything but a deficiency.

brand new study on copper and fat. so if you think something is stored in the fat or the liver, and you feel worse taking copper... it probably means its actually working. now you need the bile to work... Taurine Tudca bile acids etc.

http://newscenter.lbl.gov/2016/06/06/fat-burning-copper/

We find that copper is essential for breaking down fat cells so that they can be used for energy, said Chang. It acts as a regulator. The more copper there is, the more the fat is broken down. We think it would be worthwhile to study whether a deficiency in this nutrient could be linked to obesity and obesity-related diseases.

Dietary copper

Chang said that copper could potentially play a role in restoring a natural way to burn fat. The nutrient is plentiful in foods such as oysters and other shellfish, leafy greens, mushrooms, seeds, nuts and beans.

Nobody as low copper, if you have lowcopper (in the right form) it's more likely because of low zinc, since they work together, i did the opposite as you suggest, chelating copper and taking zinc, and i'm fine now.
edit:These data indicate that moderately high Zn in the diet reduces plasma Cu, but not plasmaceruloplasminactivity or the recovery of plasma Cu or ceruloplasminactivity after oral CuS of Cu-deficient rats, modifies the response of plasma SOD to dietary Cu, but does not influence RBC SOD activity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8971359
"moderately high", and it doesn't affect the good copper, only the bad, and if you take "low" amount of zinc instead of the "moderatelyhigh" of this study (and no induced Cu deficiency), it will help balance things. after accutane you have more chance to have inability to expell copper (& too much of it), since accutane poison liver & kidneys (and copper is by nature "very hard" to excrete), and vitamin A is directly linked to zinc, far more than copper.

Did i hurt your ego? such a kid.

Yes i can feel when my kidneys are struggling, it's not that difficult, when you feel pain/pressure in the area, but maybe you don't even know where the kidneys are and can't understand? you are as toxic personaly as your body it seems. It seems obvious that you still don't have the ability to listen to your own body.

How about your magic vitamin P5P 4 years ago? wasn't so magic no? what's next after copper? you should start learning some physiology instead of throwing your ridiculous made up theories at the face of others, risking of destroying them even more. You won't fix such a big issue as accutane who hit the body as a whole, with your copper.

And no, copper is eliminated via both, liver, and kidney, specially when liver is already overburdened & high in copper. Accutane doesn't enhance liver function don't you think?

But in any case, no adrenal & liver proper function = no mineral absorption-conversion-utilization. I never said that you don't need copper, i say that most probablething is that you are unable to use it, and remove the wrong form of it.

4 years ago? i wasnt even here 2 years ago eyeball guy.

Ceruloplasmin and metallothionein induction by zinc and 13-cis-retinoic acid in rats with adjuvant inflammation.

"eyeball", are you 10 years old? you are so below i don't even know what to answer.
and by the way, dr Morse "eyeball" guy if that's you talk about has 40years experience, cured a lot of personalities of cancer, and has a 80% success rate on "all" type cancers & chronic/degenerative diseases in his clinic (& from his internet teaching, testimoniesdoesn't lack), i don't believe you have a clinic, or cured anyone of anything, but that's a little obvious.

do as you want, if your new thing is the magic copper, do it i don't care xD its just a shame that you'll loose your time.
at least you are funny, all this hate.. like you were holding it for days (even years), it reflect what's inside of you, i don't blame you.

3 minutes ago, anonyy said:

"eyeball", are you 10 years old? you are so below i don't even know what to answer.
and by the way, dr Morse "eyeball" guy if that's you talk about has 40years experience, cured a lot of personalities of cancer, and has a 80% success rate on all cancers in his clinic, i don't believe you have a clinic, or cured anyone of anything, but that's a little obvious.

do as you want, if your new thing is the magic copper, do it i don't care xD its just a shame that you'll loose your time.
at least you are funny, all this hate.. like you were holding it for days (even years), it reflect what's inside of you, i don't blame you.

ahhhh another charlatan curing cancer. if this was even remotely true, he wouldve been the most famous person on earth with multiple nobel prizes no? its "lose" not "loose" btw.

keep glossing over the science.....

http://www.uniprot.org/uniprot/?query=Ceruloplasmin&sort=scor e" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">Ceruloplasmin, ahttp://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A3005 2" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">copper-containing acute phase plasmahttp://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A1654 1" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">protein, has been shown to be regulated byhttp://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A606 7" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">13-cis retinoic acidinhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=10116&lvl= 0" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">rats.http://www.uniprot.org/uniprot/?query=Ceruloplasmin&sort=scor e" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">Ceruloplasminactivity was significantly increased within 24 h and remained elevated for at least 72 h after a single injection ofhttp://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A606 7" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">13-cis retinoic acid. With daily injections ofhttp://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A2653 6" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">retinoic acid, thehttp://www.uniprot.org/uniprot/?query=ceruloplasmin&sort=scor e" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">ceruloplasminactivity continued to increase for at least 4 d. After 4 d, the activity was four times control levels. Inhttp://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A3005 2" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">copper-deficienthttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=10116&lvl= 0" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">rats, thehttp://www.uniprot.org/uniprot/?query=ceruloplasmin&sort=scor e" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">ceruloplasminactivity did not increase inhttp://www.ebi.ac.uk/ego/GTerm?id=GO:003252 6" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">response to retinoic acidunlesshttp://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A3005 2" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">copperwas also given to thesehttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=10116&lvl= 0" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">rats8 h afterhttp://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A2653 6" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">retinoic acid.http://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A1536 9" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">ActinomycinD blocked thehttp://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A2653 6" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">retinoic acid-induced stimulation ofhttp://www.uniprot.org/uniprot/?query=ceruloplasmin&sort=scor e" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">ceruloplasminactivity inhttp://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A3005 2" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">copper-sufficienthttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=10116&lvl= 0" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">rats, but inhttp://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A3005 2" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">copper-deficienthttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=10116&lvl= 0" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">ratsonly about half of the increase was blocked when thehttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=10116&lvl= 0" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">ratswere givenhttp://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A3005 2" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">copperorhttp://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A3005 2" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">copperandhttp://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A2653 6" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">retinoic acid. By use of pulse-labeling techniques,http://www.uniprot.org/uniprot/?query=ceruloplasmin&sort=scor e" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">ceruloplasminhttp://www.ebi.ac.uk/ego/GTerm?id=GO:000905 8" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">synthesiswas shown to increase 1.5-fold afterhttp://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A2653 6" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">retinoic acidand this increase was blocked byhttp://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A1536 9" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">actinomycinD. When vitamin A-deficienthttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=10116&lvl= 0" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">ratswere repleted withhttp://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A606 7" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">13-cis retinoic acidfor 3 or 5 d, both thehttp://www.uniprot.org/uniprot/?query=ceruloplasmin&sort=scor e" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">ceruloplasminactivity andhttp://www.ebi.ac.uk/ego/GTerm?id=GO:000905 8" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">synthesiswere significantly stimulated when compared to the nonrepleted, deficienthttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=10116&lvl= 0" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">rats. Therefore, the dietary components,http://www.ebi.ac.uk/chebi/searchId.do?chebiId=CHEBI%3A3005 2" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">copperand vitamin A, play an important role in the regulation of plasmahttp://www.uniprot.org/uniprot/?query=ceruloplasmin&sort=scor e" rel="external nofollow" style="margin: 0px;padding: 0px;border: 0px;font-size: 15px;vertical-align: baseline;color: inherit;text-decoration: none;font-weight: normal" target="_blank">ceruloplasminlevels.

charlatan? i know "personaly" at least 5 people cured of cancer by him.. and testimonies doesn't lack, your denial is so ridiculous. you advocate a cure-all copper, and calls other who have results "charlatan". you definitively have a big problem.

when i said there is not an issue about copper? accutane affect strongly the whole body, and speciallythe liver, so of course there is an issue with mineral utilization & levels. but like i said, i tried for you, and supplemental copper, is toxic, but your body is so congestedthat you can't feel it, what i take i assimilate and absorb at a far higher level than you, i fixed my assimilation issues, i wasn't feeling anything4 years ago either, nor had a functioning body at all.

I'm open to your theories, i even tested, but you seems full of hatred and very close minded, it's pointless to talk with you anyway, stay with your pseudo-science personal theoriesand don't look at physiology orthinking of the body as a whole, you'll go far.
You can't even accept that i told about how my experience with copper went, you seems to care a lot about your magic copper pill.. you put far too much hope and all your focus into this, it's not healthy. Maybe some are high in copper, other low, but in any case, the point is why? and it's always organ dysfunction and malabsorption-utilization, andcongestion/global toxicity.
By the way, why you are not cured? if copper is the magic solution? you'll take it 4 years like P5P before realizing it's not the solution?