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Since my last comment was kind of "skipped", I ask again: Have people been checking the possibilities of fecal transplants? There's evidence that FC has the potential to cure many kinds of autoimmune diseases. Since our situation can have the looks and feels of some AI diseases, we have a potential treatment here (in some cases at least)
The idea behind FC's is that one can get his/her microbiome/bacteria back in order. (these bacteria are really important for the whole body and hence the changes a strong medication can make are quite dangerous.) This is not some quackery since it's becoming a "real" treatment for some autoimmune diseases.
On 6/21/2016 at 8:46 PM, anonyy said:Nobody as low copper, if you have lowcopper (in the right form) it's more likely because of low zinc, since they work together, i did the opposite as you suggest, chelating copper and taking zinc, and i'm fine now.
edit:These data indicate that moderately high Zn in the diet reduces plasma Cu, but not plasmaceruloplasminactivity or the recovery of plasma Cu or ceruloplasminactivity after oral CuS of Cu-deficient rats, modifies the response of plasma SOD to dietary Cu, but does not influence RBC SOD activity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8971359
"moderately high", and it doesn't affect the good copper, only the bad, and if you take "low" amount of zinc instead of the "moderatelyhigh" of this study (and no induced Cu deficiency), it will help balance things. after accutane you have more chance to have inability to expell copper (& too much of it), since accutane poison liver & kidneys (and copper is by nature "very hard" to excrete), and vitamin A is directly linked to zinc, far more than copper.Did i hurt your ego? such a kid.
Yes i can feel when my kidneys are struggling, it's not that difficult, when you feel pain/pressure in the area, but maybe you don't even know where the kidneys are and can't understand? you are as toxic personaly as your body it seems. It seems obvious that you still don't have the ability to listen to your own body.
How about your magic vitamin P5P 4 years ago? wasn't so magic no? what's next after copper? you should start learning some physiology instead of throwing your ridiculous made up theories at the face of others, risking of destroying them even more. You won't fix such a big issue as accutane who hit the body as a whole, with your copper.
And no, copper is eliminated via both, liver, and kidney, specially when liver is already overburdened & high in copper. Accutane doesn't enhance liver function don't you think?
But in any case, no adrenal & liver proper function = no mineral absorption-conversion-utilization. I never said that you don't need copper, i say that most probablething is that you are unable to use it, and remove the wrong form of it.
Have you tested anything ever? show me how much copper is lost through the kidney? quote something...anything.
you have no idea what youre levels are on anything unless you get tested.
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for $75 you get a serum zinc, copper and ceruloplasmin.
for $30 you can get a standalone ceruloplasmin.
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anyone can do this:
get the $75 test as a baseline, if youre levels are low.... then take 2-3mg of copper a day for 4-5days... then immediately get the $30 ceruloplasmin test on the 5th day.
if your ceruloplasmin rises on the second test, youre doing what youre supposed to.
In the last page Tom87reported the details of the recovery of some users.
Then, no one has used copper for recovery his situation.
Why there is only users that spoken about copper?recoveries stories are joke? unreliable?
In these years many pages speaking about fix guts, ok, who has recovered has mainly taken supplement for fix gut, right?
I'm not sure whether this supports Annony's theory, but I have had swollen (like really swollen, sick almost) lymphs in my neck, groin, pretty much anywhere you can find them, for the past 3 years. Is this an issue that you think glandulars can solve?
Also, have other people been experiencing this?
On 6/22/2016 at 4:57 AM, yetanotheraccutanevictim said:Got an oligoscan done recently. My results:
[Edited link out]It confirmed a few findings from my hair analysis. We need to be supplementing lithium orotate I believe.
And all of us are toxic with aluminum bc of geoengineering. Klinghardt has info for how to detoxify it.
1 hour ago, tryingtohelp2014 said:
Stephen Barrett is payed by Big Pharma to promote propagandaagainst natural therapies and diagnostic procedures.
Nothing he says is truth. The Oligoscan is incredibly accurate. It completely negates the need for hair tests and provoked urine tests with chelation agents.
What are you wanting to tell me about pyroluria?
And about your comment:
" ahhhh another charlatan curing cancer. if this was even remotely true, he wouldve been the most famous person on earth with multiple nobel prizes no?"
There are MANY cures for cancer and MANY doctors curing cancer. It's not that difficult. There will never be someone winning nobel prizes for this. The corporations don't want there to be a cancer cure. It will never go public. When cancer cures do go public, the ones sharing the knowledge are assassinated. There have been LOADS of holistic doctors killed for this very reason. One example is Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez (a genius).
There are also scientists who created engines that run on water who have also been killed. The world is incredibly corrupt. Always follow the money.
24 minutes ago, yetanotheraccutanevictim said:Stephen Barrett is payed by Big Pharma to promote propagandaagainst natural therapies and diagnostic procedures.
Nothing he says is truth. The Oligoscan is incredibly accurate. It completely negates the need for hair tests and provoked urine tests with chelation agents.What are you wanting to tell me about pyroluria?
And about your comment:
" ahhhh another charlatan curing cancer. if this was even remotely true, he wouldve been the most famous person on earth with multiple nobel prizes no?"There are MANY cures for cancer and MANY doctors curing cancer. It's not that difficult. There will never be someone winning nobel prizes for this. The corporations don't want there to be a cancer cure. It will never go public. When cancer cures do go public, the ones sharing the knowledge are assassinated. There have been LOADS of holistic doctors killed for this very reason. One example is Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez (a genius).
There are also scientists who created engines that run on water who have also been killed. The world is incredibly corrupt. Always follow the money.
And you think there aren't many 'holistic' quacks that don't also want their piece of the pie? The amount of money I've wasted ...
Sometimes we just have to go on the evidence available to us.
Mike San,
I didn't say that. Holistic docs don't make a fraction of what they could make if they went into allopathic medicine.
If one wants to make the big bucks, he or she could go become an oncologist. Personally, I couldn't live with the fact that I'd be making my living by poisoning people.
Most "evidence" is falsely created to deceive the masses. That's why sites like quackwatchand sciencebasedmedicine exist. It's a major fucking crime against humanity.
5 hours ago, yetanotheraccutanevictim said:Stephen Barrett is payed by Big Pharma to promote propaganda against natural therapies and diagnostic procedures.
Nothing he says is truth. The Oligoscan is incredibly accurate. It completely negates the need for hair tests and provoked urine tests with chelation agents.What are you wanting to tell me about pyroluria?
And about your comment:
" ahhhh another charlatan curing cancer. if this was even remotely true, he wouldve been the most famous person on earth with multiple nobel prizes no?"There are MANY cures for cancer and MANY doctors curing cancer. It's not that difficult. There will never be someone winning nobel prizes for this. The corporations don't want there to be a cancer cure. It will never go public. When cancer cures do go public, the ones sharing the knowledge are assassinated. There have been LOADS of holistic doctors killed for this very reason. One example is Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez (a genius).
There are also scientists who created engines that run on water who have also been killed. The world is incredibly corrupt. Always follow the money.
With all that being said, will there ever be a cure for Roaccutane side effects????
Or is it too difficult? 
Yes i had a urine analysis, and other multiple blood analysis, certainly spend 700+ euros on them since the beginning. I only have a urine test about the copper ([Edited link out]), and it's fine and on the high range(even if it was with a little DMSA mobilization, and previous chelation for 6+ months). In the past (and before this test) i took "lot" of vitamin C who chelates copper, "lot" of DMSA who chelates copper, and some ALA who retains copper (took far more DMSA than ALA), and zinc who block it's absorption,so it should still be in the chelating balance. By the way it's not a good idea to detox mercury with those chemicals, too hard on the kidneys, but it was 6 years ago i was still an ignorant.
But if you want i'll test that serum copper, for fun. What i should ask?RBC copper, ceruloplasmin, plasma copper ? if we could reduce the test to only two elements would be better.
I already tested zinc serum 1-2 years ago among other things and it's fine.
By the way the only analysis who returned with abnormal results was the porphyrins (5 years ago), everything else always was good (porphyrins only test to see real liver chemical poisoning). Conjugated bilirubin above the high range 3 years ago also.
edit: I tested to take molybdenum, seems very bad to me ("strange"/slower heartbeat and head pressure). Truly only minerals with positive effects i took and that i still take today from time to time is zinc & magnesium. Maybe also iodine but in seaweed form.
@yetanotheraccutanevictim
In florida if i'm correct in the last year there was 8 holistic doctors assassinated, about a cancer cure. but their cure was a direct competitor for high cost medicine. It wasGcMAF i believe.
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On 6/22/2016 at 12:46 PM, anonyy said:Yes i had a urine analysis, and other multiple blood analysis, certainly spend 700+ euros on them since the beginning. I only have a urine test about the copper ([Edited link out]), and it's fine and on the high range(even if it was with a little DMSA mobilization, and previous chelation for 6+ months). In the past (and before this test) i took "lot" of vitamin C who chelates copper, "lot" of DMSA who chelates copper, and some ALA who retains copper (took far more DMSA than ALA), and zinc who block it's absorption,so it should still be in the chelating balance. By the way it's not a good idea to detox mercury with those chemicals, too hard on the kidneys, but it was 6 years ago i was still an ignorant.
But if you want i'll test that serum copper, for fun. What i should ask?RBC copper, ceruloplasmin, plasma copper ? if we could reduce the test to only two elements would be better.
I already tested zinc serum 1-2 years ago among other things and it's fine.By the way the only analysis who returned with abnormal results was the porphyrins (5 years ago), everything else always was good (porphyrins only test to see real liver chemical poisoning). Bilirubin at the limit3 years ago also.
edit: I tested to take molybdenum, seems very bad to me ("strange"/slower heartbeat and head pressure). Truly only minerals with positive effects i took and that i still take today from time to time is zinc & magnesium. Maybe also iodine but in seaweed form.
Even if you do decide to get tests, anonyy I can't see you supplementing copper based on all that you've said!!?
Again, there may be a copper imbalance BUT could someone show a link or state a person who's cured of their side effects just by taking copper or by taking molybdenum ( in this instance to reduce copper )??
All cures have come via fasting or multiple liver flushing. Did these people gave a copper imbalance?......maybe, but they didn't feel a need to focus on it obviously!!
They prob don't care cause they feel cured after everything else they've done!
No that's for sure i won't ever take a copper supplement, even if copper come back low, far too toxic. If i'm gonna take copper, it will be food-based.
But if levels come back low or high, about any nutrient,it just means liver weakness, adrenal weakness,congestion/toxicity and absorption issues. Except if you eat mcdonald everydayand at the same timean alreadyhighly congested/toxic system you should not lack anything.
Yea i'm now all about perfectioning things, i'm almost sure copper will come back good but if that can help you.. and it's funny to tests things also x)
edit: i'll have the result of my ceruloplasmin, copper & zinc in 5days (monday). lab don't do RBC minerals anymore.
11 hours ago, yetanotheraccutanevictim said:St
8 hours ago, yetanotheraccutanevictim said:Mike San,
I didn't say that. Holistic docs don't make a fraction of what they could make if they went into allopathic medicine.
If one wants to make the big bucks, he or she could go become an oncologist. Personally, I couldn't live with the fact that I'd be making my living by poisoning people.Most "evidence" is falsely created to deceive the masses. That's why sites like quackwatchand sciencebasedmedicine exist. It's a major fucking crime against humanity.
There are quacks among both holistic doctors and allopathic .
Just because you have a distrust in Allopathic (hey, I do as well) , doesn't then mean that every fringe diagnosis is automatically reliable.
All I'm saying is make sure they have your best interest in mind ....some Holistics here make more than specialists.
For me, the best GP I have found is an 'integrative one'. who leans slightly more towards Holistic , but is level headed and open minded.
I'd pay a quack if they had the cure!! Wouldn't bother me, holistic GP or quack - just provide me with a cure at the end of the day, that's all I'm after, it's what we're all after!
You're right in saying it's good to find someone who listens and is open minded - when you find someone like that, stick with them.
Hey,
I just went to a integrative doctor yesterday. He was as ordinary doctor for half of his life and, back in the eighties, working with poor people that used plants as medicine he got interested and started to study the therapeutic effect of the plants. After some time he started to work only with plants and changing his methods, studying alternative medicine more and more. Today he focus mainly on DIET and guess what? All this talking about acidosis, global toxicity is, according to him, correct. He gave me a list of foods that are alkaline and easy to digest, i should focus on them to get better, what are those foods? Mainly fruits and vegetables... Liver flushes, hydro-colon therapy, liver flushes and Gersons therapy were also have pointed as good ways of helping the body eliminating toxins.
I experienced this so far, as a matter of fact i feel much better with a very healthy diet and liver flushes. I spent years eating toxic food and acne was probably a way to eliminate the toxicity my organs couldn't deal with. Solving acne with Accutane is the biggest mistake ever.
Anyway, as it has been mentioned, everyone who got cured focused in diet and measures that helped the body eliminate excess of toxicity and regain balance, it's not going to be a substance, mineral, vitamin or whatever that is going to solve the problems of a weak body that cannot cope with toxicity because is full of it and, even more, maybe the capacity of dealing with it is significantly reduced by accutane. We need to look at the body as a WHOLE, i asked him abouta specific symptom that bothers me a lot and he told me that he can't focus on a specific symptom, because it's linked to so many process that are occurring in the body in an unbalanced way, focusing on only one thing is allopathic medicine, doesn't work. He also remembered me about the debate between Pauster and Claude Bernard, all of you should take a look.
And, the most important which i totally agree: "You are responsible for your health and you should take care of that ,i can only provide you the knowledge i have from many years of experience and studies, i'm only supporting you in a horizontal relationship. Besides that, it's your body, you have to listen to it, what you feel it's more important than what any doctor can say."
That's so true, doctors can only say something based on tests, a computer could do the same, when you eat some good food or do something that is good for your body you can feel that.
At last, no magic cure, no magic pill.Hard workd and a lot of learning.
Ps: I went to see this doctor because i was afraid of many of this alternative medicines things being a quack. This guy worked with my father in many Brazilian favelas, he comes from a relatively wealthy family and chose to live in favelas developing health projects for the poor. Based on that i know he isn't a quack willing to get rich from others misery. Today he lives i a farm producing organic food, he is 78, looks 58 andsuper healthy, same for his patients that i know and have changed lifestyle, this is another good argument for me.
In this video you can watch an interview with him, in Portuguese
With this guy i confirmed what i was realizing is the right patch.
2 hours ago, PedroE said:Hey,
I just went to a integrative doctor yesterday. He was as ordinary doctor for half of his life and, back in the eighties, working with poor people that used plants as medicine he got interested and started to study the therapeutic effect of the plants. After some time he started to work only with plants and changing his methods, studying alternative medicine more and more. Today he focus mainly on DIET and guess what? All this talking about acidosis, global toxicity is, according to him, correct. He gave me a list of foods that are alkaline and easy to digest, i should focus on them to get better, what are those foods? Mainly fruits and vegetables... Liver flushes, hydro-colon therapy, liver flushes and Gersons therapy were also have pointed as good ways of helping the body eliminating toxins.
I experienced this so far, as a matter of fact i feel much better with a very healthy diet and liver flushes. I spent years eating toxic food and acne was probably a way to eliminate the toxicity my organs couldn't deal with. Solving acne with Accutane is the biggest mistake ever.
Anyway, as it has been mentioned, everyone who got cured focused in diet and measures that helped the body eliminate excess of toxicity and regain balance, it's not going to be a substance, mineral, vitamin or whatever that is going to solve the problems of a weak body that cannot cope with toxicity because is full of it and, even more, maybe the capacity of dealing with it is significantly reduced by accutane. We need to look at the body as a WHOLE, i asked him abouta specific symptom that bothers me a lot and he told me that he can't focus on a specific symptom, because it's linked to so many process that are occurring in the body in an unbalanced way, focusing on only one thing is allopathic medicine, doesn't work. He also remembered me about the debate between Pauster and Claude Bernard, all of you should take a look.
And, the most important which i totally agree: "You are responsible for your health and you should take care of that ,i can only provide you the knowledge i have from many years of experience and studies, i'm only supporting you in a horizontal relationship. Besides that, it's your body, you have to listen to it, what you feel it's more important than what any doctor can say."
That's so true, doctors can only say something based on tests, a computer could do the same, when you eat some good food or do something that is good for your body you can feel that.
At last, no magic cure, no magic pill.Hard workd and a lot of learning.
Ps: I went to see this doctor because i was afraid of many of this alternative medicines things being a quack. This guy worked with my father in many Brazilian favelas, he comes from a relatively wealthy family and chose to live in favelas developing health projects for the poor. Based on that i know he isn't a quack willing to get rich from others misery. Today he lives i a farm producing organic food, he is 78, looks 58 andsuper healthy, same for his patients that i know and have changed lifestyle, this is another good argument for me.
In this video you can watch an interview with him, in Portuguese
With this guy i confirmed what i was realizing is the right patch.
listen... i know everyone on here is expounding the liver flush.
what EXACTLY are you trying to flush?
organic food doesnt release Vitamin A or retinoic acid metabolites from stellate cells.
i cant find one reference that flushing removes Vitamin A from the ITO cells
we have retinoic acid poisoning imo. thats all we took. 13-cis retinoic acid. nothing else.
getting the bile to flow is only one part of this. bile helps you absorb even more vitamin A
taking things that excrete/antagonistic or bind to retinoic acid, would seem to be the only way logically to reverse side effects.
do you realize there is people who are sick or in chronic/degenerative state without taking accutane? you still don't understand physiology and the origins of "diseases". you need to treat both accutane, and the global toxicity, we all have it with this modern non-physiological diet. if your body was perfect/clean =no acne, no accutane. you think as if your body was already perfect, and only need external rock-made supplement to get well, that's far far from reality. it's been what? 8 years that you look for the magic pill? personaly after spending 3k+ euros and ~3 years i stopped, and stopped this allopathic-external thinking,and started to think more about health. you take life and health for granted.. it's not.
accutane destroy the kidneys, the liver, and the whole body, and with time, we accumulate toxicity from every sources, including the natural cellular one. the body renew all it's cells (at least 80%) every 2 years, and it's1.5-2 years after accutane that the worst side effects appear. global toxicity + accutane = never recover. focus only on accutane = never recover. only the body itself can remove excess retinoic acid, if he's too busy dealing with other things, or just trying to survive time, won't ever be able to deal directly about it.
1 hour ago, anonyy said:do you realize there is people who are sick or in chronic/degenerative state without taking accutane? you still don't understand physiology and the origins of "diseases". you need to treat both accutane, and the global toxicity, we all have it with this modern non-physiological diet. if your body was perfect/clean =no acne, no accutane. you think as if your body was already perfect, and only need external rock-made supplement to get well, that's far far from reality. it's been what? 8 years that you look for the magic pill? personaly after spending 3k+ euros and ~3 years i stopped, and stopped this allopathic-external thinking,and started to think more about health. you take life and health for granted.. it's not.
accutane destroy the kidneys, the liver, and the whole body, and with time, we accumulate toxicity from every sources, including the natural cellular one. the body renew all it's cells (at least 80%) every 2 years, and it's1.5-2 years after accutane that the worst side effects appear. global toxicity + accutane = never recover. focus only on accutane = never recover. only the body itself can remove excess retinoic acid, if he's too busy dealing with other things, or just trying to survive time, won't ever be able to deal directly about it.
you dont get what im saying.
any "toxicity" pre or post accutane, didnt cause my oil glands to stop functioning after accutane. its accutane and accutane only that continues to cause this. its not candida, lead "toxic" copper or any of the other 200 things people on here are trying to solve.
you need to focus both, or you will never get better. if you have normalretinol level, normal vitamin D levels, (the direct elements affected by accutane), you can't do anything more. and you only need to detox to let your body heal itself, detox global toxicity, who will allow organs to regenerate, decongestionate and eliminate and repair accutane damage. if you can't understand this, you are doomed. natural cellular waste and toxins you absorb, specially with an hyperpermeable coupled with a non-physiological diet (cooked food, dairy & gluten, meat, etc.), doesn't disappear from magic, your kidneys eliminates them, and if there is too much, it stays inside. Even if accutane is the most toxic of all, there is far more other toxins in your body than it. you don't want to hear it because it's not the easy path, it require struggle and self-responsability.
candida is a symptom, not a cause.
Again: Detoxing and letting the body heal might not be enough for everyone. Medicine like Accutane can screw up your microbiome and thus develop side effects that messes up with the whole body. You might need fecal transplants to get the flora back in order. This is a proven fact and can not be overlooked. Keep in mind that some people have healed themselves from MS, IBS, IBD and many other autoimmune disease with a couple fecal transplants. They are investigating the matter even as we speak. Even Mayo clinic has done some of these operations. Please check the net and see the importance of ones gut bacteria. Having the right flora of bacteria is vital!
2 hours ago, Riky said:Again: Detoxing and letting the body heal might not be enough for everyone. Medicine like Accutane can screw up your microbiome and thus develop side effects that messes up with the whole body. You might need fecal transplants to get the flora back in order. This is a proven fact and can not be overlooked. Keep in mind that some people have healed themselves from MS, IBS, IBD and many other autoimmune disease with a couple fecal transplants. They are investigating the matter even as we speak. Even Mayo clinic has done some of these operations. Please check the net and see the importance of ones gut bacteria. Having the right flora of bacteria is vital!
There are multiple people on SolvePFS who've done numerous fecal transplants. Some have noted some improvements, but unfortunately nothing ground breaking. I'm not saying it's not work trying, but I don't think that alone would 'cure' anyone.
Coffee enemas for the win. I am hydrated, absorbing nutrients, and passing long nasty strings of candida. I feel super clear, joint pain free, and clear-headed. OH and before sending a message stating it's super dangerous, do your research about how it is utilized in the body and how it detoxifies the liver. Oh yah, also experience helps too. Keeping this one on the very helpful list.
1 hour ago, MovingOnMusicGal said:Coffee enemas for the win. I am hydrated, absorbing nutrients, and passing long nasty strings of candida. I feel super clear, joint pain free, and clear-headed. OH and before sending a message stating it's super dangerous, do your research about how it is utilized in the body and how it detoxifies the liver. Oh yah, also experience helps too. Keeping this one on the very helpful list.
Whats super dangerous? I missed what you're referring to.
Wow... my sexual problems must be bacterial related. I shaved last night with a razor for the first time in a long time (usually just trim my stubble with a trimmer), and ever since my ability to get solid erections has been restored. Any chance bacteria has been stored up in hair follicles or something? I took antibiotics for a long time in my teens before accutane