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ProActiv is the exact same thing as Dan Kern's Regimen. I'm not accusing Dan Kern of anything, all I'm saying neither is a magic formula. Proactiv is: a cleanser, a toner/moisturizer, and a benzoyl peroxide cream. The Regimen says to use a cleanser, a moisturizer, and benzoyl peroxide.
When I visited my dermatologist, she recommended (surprise surprise) a cleanser, a moisturizer, and benzoyl peroxide. Granted, the brands and exact types of each individual items vary, but they are essentially the same. Dan Kern's Regimen isn't groundbreaking. That's not a put down, that means it's something that clearly works.
Just to clarify, Proactiv and Dan's regimen are very different.
Dan stresses being gentle and using a nonmedicated cleanser for a brief wash.
Proactiv uses a medicated scrubby cleanser and they recommend washing for a minute or two.
Dan uses a very generous amount of 2.5% benzoyl peroxide.
Proactiv recommends using a small amount in a thin layer of 2.5% benzoyl peroxide.
Dan does not recommend a toner.
Proactiv uses a toner.
Dan recommends using a good moisturizer to keep the skin hydrated.
Proactiv does not have a moisturizer in their 3-step program.
Huge differences, which is why for most of us Dan's regimen has worked much better than Proactiv did.
You're right that the concept of using benzoyl peroxide to clear acne is not new, but it is the manner in which Dan has set it all up is what makes it effective.
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yea and with proactiv the threw in a ton of other products they expected you to used like the first week that in no way are alot of peoples skin ready for
like me a used a "soothing mask" the first week cost-ed me and arm and a leg and FRIED my entire face
Hi - your testimony is getting me through the beginning and I am very grateful!
I am dry but not red or noticable flaking and haven't been moisturizing because I've been clearing up nicely.
Is using a moisturizer a MUST for the program to work or is it used soley if flaking, harrsh dray and redness is there. If I'm okay with the amount of dryness and opt not to use moisturizer, is that okay?
Can you respond soon as I don't want to be backpedaling becaues I haven't been moisturizing ... wondering if the small flakes I do have (but aren't bothersome) will clog pores again and cause breakout.
Thank you!
Barbara
When I encountered acne.org back in December 2005, I was depressed and desperate. I had recently turned 20 and I had worse acne than I did back in high school. Birth control didn't help get rid of the painful red bumps scattered all over my face, six months of Proactiv didn't help, medicated washes didn't help, spot-treating didn't help, masks didn't help, salicyclic acid lotions didn't help, and I was terrified of the prospect of going to a dermatologist to be prescribed antibiotics that would cause me painful yeast infections. I was dubious about the regimen because I had used benzoyl peroxide in the past as part of Proactiv, but I also didn't have any other accessible acne treatment options, and I was completely sick of my skin. I read all about Dan's gel, browsed dozens of reviews and testimonials, and decided to open up my wallet and take a risk. I ordered two tubes of Dan's gel, figuring that I didn't have much to lose besides a little money.
The regimen sure enough ended up working for me, and so I keep coming back here to help out other people who feel angry/depressed/confused/frustrated about their skin. I can't say enough about getting yourself into the right state of mind to try the regimen, so I want to use this thread to prepare people for it in an honest, realistic way. The DKR works wonders, but if your expectations are too high, you are impatient, or you experiment with other things at the same time, you will run into problems.
Start off on the right foot with recommended products, and get rid of your old acne topicals. Just because you have the Proactiv acne scrub or your mom's face cream lying around doesn't mean that you should try them with the regimen! I know it's frustrating to spend money on things that don't work, but it's better to get rid of your old ineffective products than to try to start the regimen with them. Wait until you can get all the proper supplies and then begin the regimen, rather than using some 10% BP you have lying around or other old products that might interfere with your results. If you can't bear to throw them away, put them somewhere where you won't be tempted to use them while you try the regimen. I strongly recommend ordering Dan's gel to begin with so that you start with the best (and most cost-effective) product available. If you live outside of the US or aren't comfortable ordering off the internet, then pick up another 2.5% benzoyl peroxide (like Neutrogena On-the-Spot) from a drugstore, but Dan's gel is so much gentler, better-textured, and cheaper that you should try to start with it if possible. I believe I saw good results relatively quickly because I started off with Dan's gel.
Your acne will not clear up instantly on the DKR. If you actually do see miraculous clearing within days of starting (as some people on the boards claim), please realize that you have likely not seen the last of your acne. BP dries out your acne at first, but then you aren't using enough during your first week or two to actually prevent future breakouts, so they will probably come back until you have upped your dosage enough and held it at that level for a while. I still had breakouts for the first 6 or 7 weeks on the regimen, and many people take even longer before they clear. My pimples started disappearing more quickly and weren't as severe at that point, but acne is still acne. Be prepared to give the DKR a three month trial, and be prepared to still have acne for most of that time.
It is more important to get your skin used to the benzoyl peroxide for the first month or so than to actually achieve clear skin. It is better to go slowly and take more time to work your way up to a full-finger application than to use too much gel too soon and backpedal because of irritation and dryness. Even if you've used benzoyl peroxide before in other systems, you probably were not using nearly as much BP as you will be on the regimen. I had used both the Proactiv face wash and lotion twice a day for six months and plenty of 10% BP creams in the past, and still, my skin took time to adjust to the small amount of BP I started with. Follow Dan's recommendations for BP dosage--or use even less if you feel that your skin is overly irritated. You might not clear up as quickly as you want, but you can avoid many of the problems that new regimen users complain about by going easy with the BP.
Try not to think about your skin. When you start clearing up a little but not completely, you might hold your skin to a higher standard than you did before and become more frustrated with it. If you are constantly obsessing over a new breakout or thinking about how you're not clear yet, you might even do things that interfere with the regimen. Resist the temptation to check your skin out in mirrors all the time or to pick at active acne! Aside from reapplying moisturizer as necessary, you don't want to be touching your face; the best way to do this is to not think about you skin at all. Don't dwell on why you're not clear yet and don't worry about some visible flakes or redness. Think about what your skin will be like in a few months, not how it is now, and know that breakouts or dryness right now won't matter at all in a short time.
Peeling, redness, and flaking will eventually go away, but it may take a couple of months and some product changes. Let's be honest: your skin just probably won't look that great while you are beginning the regimen. You'll still have active acne, your skin will be drier, you might have flakes or areas of redness, your skin might look parched, it's just not a pretty picture at the start. Many people think that it gets worse before it gets better, and I agree. You just have to power on through it and look to the future. You can try switching cleansers and moisturizers to help with flaking or redness problems, but please realize that you can only do so much while you are still adjusting to BP. Even with the best recommended products, for the first few months you will still deal with some degree of redness, dryness, and flaking. Those problems do go away eventually! Again, try not to dwell on the state of your skin or do things that are counterproductive in the meantime.
Don't be tempted by other treatments while on the regimen. Other acne treatments like salicyclic acid (beta hydroxy acid) or sulfur can compoud your irritation with the regimen, so don't touch those at all, especially while you are still adjusting to the regimen, In fact, BP deactivates topical retinoid products aside from Differin, so you definitely can't have those on your face at the same time! When you see an acne face wash at a store, just skip right over it and purchase something unmedicated. Even though you think you might get clear faster by using multiple treatments, you'll just end up with lots more irritation and perhaps even more acne than if you had just stuck with BP. Other kinds of skin treatments tend to do more harm than good. Scrubs can tear up your skin, masks are overdrying, and homemade facial concoctions are ineffective at best. Some people really like the idea of natural skincare and want to incorporate in things like aloe vera and tea tree oil, but the results from adding in extra steps like these to the regimen seem to be by and large unsuccessful. Just keep in mind that if you insist on using more products and aren't getting the results you hope for, the first thing Dan, Brandy, and other regimen veterans will tell you is to get back to basics and ditch the extras. Alpha hydroxy acids (AHAs) such as lactic acid or glycolic acid moisturizers really do help with flaking and dryness, but you should wait until your skin is used to the full dose of BP before trying these. The more complicated the regimen, the harder it is to figure out where it goes wrong!
If you can't make time to do the regimen morning and night, then the DKR is not for you. Twice a day, every day. If you do the regimen only once a day, leave out steps, go through the process hastily, or miss applications, then you should expect less than ideal results. I skipped a couple non-consecutive applications due to late-night partying and timing of washes recently, and what do you know--even after nine months of straight DKR use, I still got some small pimples by my mouth. Slacking off is fine so long as you are willing to pay the price, but again, it is an actual price. If you balk at setting aside a good half-hour each morning and evening to wash your face, apply BP, allow it to absorb, and moisturize, then you should look into other acne treatment options. Patience and diligence is absolutely key.
Don't expect a flawless complexion when all your acne is gone. Many people complain about redmarks and scars and how the regimen doesn't address these acne artifacts. It's simply not that easy! An AHA used once or twice a day over several months can help fade hyperpigmentation, but it might not be enough to get your skin completely mark-free, especially if you had moderate-severe acne before the regimen. I didn't even know I had acne scarring until I had cleared up, and then I had a whole new skin problem that I had never thought about before! Now I have accepted that I can't do much about my mild scarring without spending lots of money on treatments, and that even so, my skin still looks so much better now than it did a year ago. So when you do clear up, please don't expect to have baby butt smooth, unblemished skin. Have realistic expectations about what your acne-free skin will look like. I much prefer easily concealable light marks and minor dents over big red inflamed pimples, but if you feel otherwise, then don't bother treating your acne.
Breakouts can still happen. I still get small pimples nine months later when I slack off, as I have not grown out of acne. The regimen can keep virtually all acne at bay when you follow it diligently, but even so, you might still get little pimples in problem areas once in a while. The more persistent your acne, the bigger the consequences of missing an application and the more likely minor breakouts might continue. In order to maintain clear skin, you will need to keep buying cleanser, BP, and moisturizer, keep making time to do the regimen morning and night, and keep being gentle with your skin. The regimen effectively prevents acne, but if you stop, your pimples will come back (unless you have grown out of acne). It is up to you to decide if you can stick with the regimen for the long haul.
Thanks for the original post in this thread. Myself and others I know are very appreciative of the time you are taking to respond to questions that are being asked. With that being said I was hoping you could possibly help me out and answer a few of my own. Heres my deal. I have been using Proactiv for about 10 months now and in the first month or so of using it I broke out so much and was about to throw in the towel but after talking with their customer service reps they kept mentioning that the product was bringing all the acne to the forefront for clearer skin to come in the future. I stuck with it as I really had no choice and sure enough things did get much better and I am somewhat satisfied with it however I get breakouts quite frequently over the 10 months that really bother me as I want and decerve better. Sometimes clear then breakout for a bit. Clear for a few weeks then breakout etc. So this is why I am looking for a change and also it comforts me knowing others have found success in this product. I am sure the discipline aspect wont be a problem for me as I went through a very similar situation in the first few weeks of Proactiv as mentioned so thanks for that part. So a few questions I have are these:
1.) I notice one is supposed to start with small amounts of the BP but with using Proactiv regularly up until my product arrives cant I just jump right in to the full dosage because havent I been getting that amount already (2.5% BP)?
2.) Also I noticed a lot of people have been commenting about dryness, redness, flakiness or whatever and heres the deal with me. I notice when using Proactiv I dont really get dry skin from the product as most others who have these claims about the regimen would probably comment similary about Proactiv right? My skin is very oily generally speaking not necessarily from any product and I have also heard lots of people talk about I believe its the moisturizer that makes their skin too shiny? Well in my case dryness never seems to be an issue just oilyness so how does this compare? I am like the opposite of dryness in general so I dont want to be more oily from it?
3.) Last question is about the moisturizer stating "not in the sun" beside its advertisement. In the summer which is quickly approaching I golf a ton and will be in the sun very regularly so what does that mean? What about people who actually work in the sun too as I do sometimes? Just use sunscreen after the moisturizer?
Thanks again for your time, effort, and willingness to answer questions it has not gone unnotices as I really hope everyone in this world can win the battle against ance!
1.) I notice one is supposed to start with small amounts of the BP but with using Proactiv regularly up until my product arrives cant I just jump right in to the full dosage because havent I been getting that amount already (2.5% BP)?
You've been using the same concentration of BP, but not the same amount. You don't use nearly as much BP on Proactiv as you do with Dan's regimen. It absolutely takes time to build up to that large amount without insane peeling and dryness, even if you have used BP before through Proactiv. When you start using Dan's gel, use about the same amount as you are of the Proactiv lotion now, and then gradually increase that up to 2 full pumps or so.
2.) Also I noticed a lot of people have been commenting about dryness, redness, flakiness or whatever and heres the deal with me. I notice when using Proactiv I dont really get dry skin from the product as most others who have these claims about the regimen would probably comment similary about Proactiv right? My skin is very oily generally speaking not necessarily from any product and I have also heard lots of people talk about I believe its the moisturizer that makes their skin too shiny? Well in my case dryness never seems to be an issue just oilyness so how does this compare? I am like the opposite of dryness in general so I dont want to be more oily from it?
My answer to this is basically the same: you aren't using nearly as much BP with Proactiv as you will be on Dan's. If you were, you almost certainly would have experienced fairly severe dryness. Even with oily skin, you'll very likely need to be using moisturizer. If you get shiny, dab the oil off gently with a tissue.
3.) Last question is about the moisturizer stating "not in the sun" beside its advertisement. In the summer which is quickly approaching I golf a ton and will be in the sun very regularly so what does that mean? What about people who actually work in the sun too as I do sometimes? Just use sunscreen after the moisturizer?
You're exactly right, use sunscreen after the moisturizer, and reapply every few hours while you're outside. I like the Banana Boat kind in my signature. This way you won't burn (BP makes you burn easily) and you won't be exposing your skin to UV damage.
I completely agree. Your advice has been really helpful and especially relevant considering my current situation. I have been on the regimen for three weeks and my skin is free from any breakouts, in fact I do not have a single pimple on my face. Now, I had mild acne, thus the scarring/discoloration is at a minimum. At this point I have one scar on my face and I was beginning to fret about it, until I read this great post. If someone told me a month ago that I would have found a treatment and my skin would be pimple free with a little scar, I would jump at it. Using the regimen with success can cause you to lose perspective and expect even more miracles. I know that in due time the scar will fade. With that said, those who had severe or moderate acne and are bothered by scarring should check out some of the medical treatments designed for alleviating acne scarring.
I have started the regimen for the second time about 3 weeks ago. I saw great success with it about 2 years ago, but forgot about it and started to turn to all sorts or other treatments (hollistic treatments, diet, tons of chemical washes). It looks SO MUCH BETTER already. I guess i had mild-moderate. My face has been super itchy today though which caused for more pimples *can't stop scratching!!!* I think i have to use more moisturizer. Thanks so much for this post!!! I've read over it a dozen times over the past 3 weeks and it's really helped me through!!!! 
I think this regimen has some good overall health tips but is in no way a good long term solution. I was on this regimen for 4 months and I promise you, I followed it religiously. It was my last hope before considering accutane. And well to make a long story short, I went on accutane. My skin had not moved an inch and I was still breaking out horribly on DKR regimen. I could not take the psychological effects anymore nor spend the money on the products anymore. I went on accutane, and it took a full course but it cleared me up. This however, has not lasted, as my acne is coming back. I found that by eating healthy and drinking tons of water and alkalizing my body, I can keep acne away. I am happy for those of you who this regimen did work for, however It may not be right for you. The answers are out there if this does not work. Either way, Dan has good advice about how to be gentle to your skin, but the chemicals may be the one thing your skin doesnt agree with.
^ What's your acne like? You might consider staying on oral antibiotics while adding in the regimen as topical therapy. I've heard that a lot of derms actually recommend a similar routine to patients on antibiotics so that their acne does not become antibiotic-resistant. If that combo doesn't seem to cut it, though, then I think accutane is something to talk about with your derm.
i am so glad i read all of this, now i am confident about fighting the war with acne.and i am wondering if i take Dan's regimen,and using accutane at the same time,would my skin heal better
no no no!!! i went on Accutane for ages, and it completely RUINED my skin, making even worse than it was before. To top it off, i had AWFUL headaches and the Side Effects of Accutane are awful.
My advice, just trust Dan. I have been on the regimen for about 5 weeks, and my chronic acne is starting to look miles better! Don't use anything else whilst on the DKR. Please.
Goodluck. x