Ah, I see I was mistaken. The Clinical Studies thread is still pinned. Right there in plain sight each & every day. Of course it;s incomplete as it was created as a closed thread by a moderator and only a moderator can update it. I haven't seen a moderator around lately.

Also, Brian: In which you have either a daily (or frequent) 16 hour fast or alternate days of reduced calories. It improves so many factors that would improve acne: Blood sugar metabolism, oxidative stress, ability to cope with stress, etc. It might also reduce the hyperproliferation of skin cells which is the real root cause of true acne. Studies done on cancer found that intermittent fasting reduced the hyperproliferation of cancer cells. There's no reason to believe it wouldn't have a system wide effect. Acutally, I just saw the study and it mentioned keratinocytes, which means skin cells.

Also, there have been many people in the past that have posted that they could be more relaxed about their diet when they did Intermittent Fasting. Almost all were talking about the more extreme method known as the Warrior Diet in which you consume all your calories within a 4 hour window. But there's no reason to believe they had to do that.

We aren't meant to have so much to eat all the time. Going hungry once in a while stimulates many important processes. Recycling of old/bad tissues for example.

and for the final and ultimate proof for myself, im gonna water fast + freshly squeezed wheatgrass for atleast 2 weeks, if theres no change, its more than enough to prove it.

How that prove anything? Why would you think that would help? Is that your idea of healthy?

No wonder.

whatever. keep thinking that every1 are the same as you, much like i did when i was 5.

You should eat whatever you want, diet doesn't cause acne, and contrary to what people on here say, there is no proof to the diet/acne relationships. If you read and followed every post on here about diet/holistic treatments, you would have to live in a bubble, never touch your skin, eat nothing at all, and never have an orgasm. You get acne because of shit genetics, not diet. Another myth I am tired of reading about is that if you over wash your skin, it will produce more sebum. These board are unfortunately filled with misinformation. Try to eat healthy anyways, because diet can cause other health problems, but you don't have to be so anal about it, especially since it will not affect your acne.

*shakes head* hopefully nobody is naive enough to still believe this

and for the final and ultimate proof for myself, im gonna water fast + freshly squeezed wheatgrass for atleast 2 weeks, if theres no change, its more than enough to prove it.

How that prove anything? Why would you think that would help? Is that your idea of healthy?

No wonder.

whatever. keep thinking that every1 are the same as you, much like i did when i was 5.

I don't think that every one is the same as me. I know people are very different and have posted vast amounts of info that addresses special issues that I do not have but others do.. I have said this over and over.

However, I know that diet affects everyone. It is not possible for it not too. It is fact.

And from what you've said you are going to do to prove diet doesn't affect your acne is your idea of healthy, you clearly have no idea what a healthy diet is.

You should eat whatever you want, diet doesn't cause acne, and contrary to what people on here say, there is no proof to the diet/acne relationships. If you read and followed every post on here about diet/holistic treatments, you would have to live in a bubble, never touch your skin, eat nothing at all, and never have an orgasm. You get acne because of shit genetics, not diet. Another myth I am tired of reading about is that if you over wash your skin, it will produce more sebum. These board are unfortunately filled with misinformation. Try to eat healthy anyways, because diet can cause other health problems, but you don't have to be so anal about it, especially since it will not affect your acne.

*shakes head* hopefully nobody is naive enough to still believe this

What a compelling argument. Unfortunately, a lot of people are naive enough to believe that eating food is the cause of acne. Your dogma is causing people to starve themselves in the name of clearing acne, and I still read thread after thread where diet did not work, and I have read the studies too, and there are no cases where 100% of the control group were cleared of acne. There are variables you can't see, because you are naive, and your blinders are on. Most of these people who claimed to have cleared their acne from diet probably had light acne, and people like alternavista have been on accutane numerous times. Who is to say that it wasn't a delayed reaction or just age that cleared her? I have never been on accutane, and have tried diet, and my face and body acne continued to break me out relentlessly.

Please, instead of reading some BS study, and quoting it, go out, spend millions of dollars on lab equipment, get a few hundred acne sufferers, and have them live off your diet for 6 months, then come back and post the results.

Also, I live right next to a community in which they are cultish with their beliefs and diet. They have their own schools, own vegetable farms, supermarkets (which I have shopped at), etc. They are all strictly vegan, no dairy, no sugar, all natural whole foods, they only shower once a week, etc, and I have seen severe acne on dozens of them. So what are they doing wrong? Smh.

If acne has no correlation to diet can you please explain why my acne turned cystic whenever i consumed sodas or energy drinks? or whenever i drank alcohol? because i'm pretty sure that due to me having candida/leaky gut that these sugars fed the albicans thus resulting in a reaction - CYSTIC ACNE. The majority of people who don't respond to antibiotics or topicals therefore means it is internal, and often due to peoples' awful western diets they have caused an internal inbalance. And the example you give could easily be down to hormonal acne or simply that something they are consuming they have developed an intolerance too... Just because a food is 'healthy' doesn't mean your body will automatically tolerate it. At the end of the day EVERYBODY should be eating anti-inflammatory diets if not for themselves then for their children/partners!

and my blinders are not on at all.. i have tried numerous topicals... i have been on antibiotics for my skin for roughly 6 years.. I have been told by my diet to stop wasting their time because if these treatments don't work there is nothing else they can do... My youngest brother was born lactose, wheat and gluten intollerant.. through an anti-inflammatory diet and the use of probiotics by my mother when he was growing up, he was cured. Do you genuinely believe this is just a coincidence?? Have you ever seen a tribes person on TV with acne before? because i certainly haven't.. the reason is that they consume a whole food anti-inflammatory diet without additives!

What a compelling argument. Unfortunately, a lot of people are naive enough to believe that eating food is the cause of acne. Your dogma is causing people to starve themselves in the name of clearing acne, and I still read thread after thread where diet did not work, and I have read the studies too, and there are no cases where 100% of the control group were cleared of acne. There are variables you can't see, because you are naive, and your blinders are on. Most of these people who claimed to have cleared their acne from diet probably had light acne, and people like alternavista have been on accutane numerous times. Who is to say that it wasn't a delayed reaction or just age that cleared her? I have never been on accutane, and have tried diet, and my face and body acne continued to break me out relentlessly.

Please, instead of reading some BS study, and quoting it, go out, spend millions of dollars on lab equipment, get a few hundred acne sufferers, and have them live off your diet for 6 months, then come back and post the results.

Also, I live right next to a community in which they are cultish with their beliefs and diet. They have their own schools, own vegetable farms, supermarkets (which I have shopped at), etc. They are all strictly vegan, no dairy, no sugar, all natural whole foods, they only shower once a week, etc, and I have seen severe acne on dozens of them. So what are they doing wrong? Smh.

Sigh. I knew I should have ignored your initial post. No one was interested anyway. Now we've hijacked Brian's thread. Remember Brian, the one that knows his diet affects his acne?

But Lets try one last time.. It isn't the cause, but it affects each and every factor that leads to acne. And it doesn't cure avne, it controls it. And conventional medicine doesn't cure it either, it controls it if you are lucky. While doing harm to your body. Healthy diet can control acne while doing only good for your body. And no drug for anything helps 100% of everyone. And no clinical trials ever find that a drug is 100% successful. Does that mean they don't work?

And because some people foolishly starve themselves or do other silly things in attempts to clear skin has no validity in the healthy diet/lifestyle acne connection.

Also, diet can't stop puberty, only ease it. And vegan ism doesn't necessarily translate to health. And fanaticism rarely does. So your neighbors also prove nothing. They could be doing all kinds of things wrong.

The paragraph about us spending millions to do our own studies is just stupid for so any reasons. I have no words.

Results:

There has been a slight improvement on how many spots I've been getting, they're coming out at a slower rate, but I've noticed that they take so long to heal. My skin also seems to be more inflamed than normal, and quite red, especially around my nose and chin, and even a slight patch on my ...:

I missed that part before. You need to determine te cause of the increase in inflammmation. whether its topical treatment/exposure or food intolerance. I doubt is any potential increase in androgens from drinking green tea. Or is it winter? People experience a loss of ceramides in winter which weakens skin and increases sensitivity. Topical live culture yogurt can help boost their production. . I think the vitamin D doeas as well. Topical green tea Is soothing as is aloe Vera.

You should eat whatever you want, diet doesn't cause acne, and contrary to what people on here say, there is no proof to the diet/acne relationships. If you read and followed every post on here about diet/holistic treatments, you would have to live in a bubble, never touch your skin, eat nothing at all, and never have an orgasm. You get acne because of shit genetics, not diet. Another myth I am tired of reading about is that if you over wash your skin, it will produce more sebum. These board are unfortunately filled with misinformation. Try to eat healthy anyways, because diet can cause other health problems, but you don't have to be so anal about it, especially since it will not affect your acne.

There is proof that diet affects acne in numerous studies and it does so in many, many ways. It isn't possible for it not to, just like with diabetes, heart disease etc. And just like with those genetics only mean you are more prone to developing a condition. Not that you will get it and not that there's nothing you can do to prevent it.

Also, if you are not here to discuss nutrition and the holistic approach here, then you are a troll. Keep it up and you could get banned.

I don't care if I get banned, i am allowed to express my opinions on here (or maybe not), and I am not fearful of topic board nazis that want to sensor me. Just because I refuse to jump on your band wagon, and believe a piece of bread is the reason I broke out with 10 pimples, doesn't not make me a troll. There is NO hardcore evidence diet causes acne.

You can believe what you want, but this board is here for people that want to learn the facts. Your posts here are trolling.

I'm confused. Your in the diet and holistic section telling a few of us that have eliminated their acne by changing their diet that diet is not a possibility? Until you find your allergen and remove it you will suffer with acne. Sorry to say but it is most likely your diet (at least your immune systems response to it anyway).

Allergic responses are just one of many ways that diet affects acne.

alternativista, although I don't agree with you all the time, you understand health a lot more than a lot of the people I talk to.

If you ever get bored, read up on Dr's Peter Osborne, Alessio Fassano, T. Colin Campbell, and Caldwell Esselstyn. Individually they have their flaws. Collectively they are astonishing.