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First I'm guna try the supplements and try and get my body back to normal and see what happens if I'm still shedding after I've taken them then we know it's none of those causing it. After that yes I will try the ghk and see what happens.
From other hairloss posts I've read in some cases even being a little bit difficient can and will cause hairloss. Who's knows mabe it is the iodine selenium and b6 causing my hair to fall. Or even bad gut flora. I guess it's just trial and error.
Blue, can you please describe your shedding in detail.
Do you shed hairs when you run your hands through your hair? Do you shed lots of hair when washing hair?
I do not shed anymore really.... I used to. That has really stabilized, but now it is my hairline that is taking a turn for the worse.
Yes you're right, definitely better to do something about that then not to. Trust me I am onboard with you on that. I personally take like a 100 supplements and vitamins a day, lol.
Hahaha Yeh i need to take about 100 a day to stop this bloody hairloss. I can't literally pull hairs out of my head I shed all over so long hairs and really small hairs all fall out. It's weird some weeks it's really bad and some not so bad. Been like this for years now and Yeh my hairline is getting worse and worse.
Hahaha Yeh i need to take about 100 a day to stop this bloody hairloss. I can't literally pull hairs out of my head I shed all over so long hairs and really small hairs all fall out. It's weird some weeks it's really bad and some not so bad. Been like this for years now and Yeh my hairline is getting worse and worse.
It would be interesting... for anyone with the cash.
For $200:
You can have your genome analyzed to see if you have the balding genes ( www.23andme.com )
@blue do you think the deficiencies would have shown up on a normal blood test?
And also if you take selenium and iodine, does it cause a depletion of some other vitamin? Like zinc does for copper isn't it? x
What was the hair analysis called that you had Blue? Would probably be a good idea if more of us got one done to compare the results. I will get one done if its possible.
Yeh I think that's the best idea really then we can narrow it right down. The place i used was healthsynergy.co.uk you literally pay 50 then send her your hair in envolope and wait 8 days for your results.
@blue do you think the deficiencies would have shown up on a normal blood test?
And also if you take selenium and iodine, does it cause a depletion of some other vitamin? Like zinc does for copper isn't it? x
To be honest I have no idea I'm hoping that as I'm deficient it will just bring my levels up without causing any other deficiency x
Here's some reviews on the iodine. Think we could really be on to something here guys. I have a feeling the b5 causes problems with thyroid
Hey Blue! I am looking into Iodine too but I would be careful taking it without having a talk with your doctor first. The thyroid controls the complete endocrine system and if you just add that much iodine to your body it could throw your system out of whack. I'd get a blood test and discuss it with a doctor first!
I wanted to buy some iodine tablets in the pharmacy today and the pharmacist told me it is dangerous to just supplement with iodine without consulting a doctor first
Here's some reviews on the iodine. Think we could really be on to something here guys. I have a feeling the b5 causes problems with thyroid
Hey Blue! I am looking into Iodine too but I would be careful taking it without having a talk with your doctor first. The thyroid controls the complete endocrine system and if you just add that much iodine to your body it could throw your system out of whack. I'd get a blood test and discuss it with a doctor first!
I wanted to buy some iodine tablets in the pharmacy today and the pharmacist told me it is dangerous to just supplement with iodine without consulting a doctor first
Hi mate to be fair I've tried the doctors and there absolutely useless he said I wasn't difficient in anything which was completely wrong I tried the dermatologist they palmed me off with mpb in a matter of minutes without even doing tests. I trichologist would be the only other person to go to but there booked up for weeks. A simple hair analysis and the woman told me everything I'm difficient in even food allergies. I've given up with docs as they no absolutely nothing about hairloss. I'm difficient in iodine and selenium so ill be supplementing with these, this lady is the only person who's helped me and listened to my story when all the docs said was mpb. I belive this woman can help me so that's what I'm going to do. Cheers for the heads up mate but I've just had enough of docs as they've done absolutely nothing for me.
oh I see it was a hair analysis to find out allergies and stuff, apparently there is a big controversy about these companies who charge for that, couple people told me someone tested it using three different identities and got different results back each time for different allergies etc.
Be careful :/ xx
I have a dermaroller too but I don't think you will see any significant benefits. Not without using minoxidil at least. To be fair, I haven't used the DR regularly but I'd say the chances are pretty slim. Still, if you see some progress let me know. I think I will start dermarolling once a week from now on and see if it helps.
Not sure if the oils I use have actually helped me. I think they might have messed up my scalp's oil production. I have since stopped using most of the oils and only apply a tiny amount of coconut oil whenever my scalp is dry. I also use aloe vera gel whenever I feel irritation and it has really helped my scalp I think.
I just ordered some spirulina and chia seeds. I'll start drinking vegetable smoothies mixed with spirulina every day once it arrives.
I also have some pharmacy-grade probiotics which I have been prescribed. I am currently taking them, so let's see if they help.
I have heard good things about drinking baking soda, so I too will drink one teaspoon per day from now on.
If anybody is interested in the supplements I take, let me know.
I have a appointment with my endocrinologist in 2 weeks and will get some blood tests done again. I'll also ask him about the Iodine.
Blue, let me know how you fare on it. I was borderline hypothyroid last year and had a ultrasound done. In the end, the doctor just told me to consume more iodine in my diet.
At the moment I just try to treat my scalp and hair gently, eat a healthy, balanced diet, get enough rest and avoid stress.
My hair and scalp feel pretty good at the moment. I don't really shed anymore, not extraordinary amounts like I did before at least. My hairline however still seems to be receding.
I have a supply of Minoxidil lying around but I'm hesitant to use it since it supposedly doesn't work on the hairline, might cause some scalp irritation and also you have to use it everyday for the rest of your life. It's kind of the last resort for me
I'm sure this is old information and I did not read through all the pages, but the many I did glance over had so much "bro"-ness to the information...
B-Complex Family Fundamentals
I can honestly say that 3,000-6,000mg a day of pantothenic acid is outrageous. Also I can easily identify that the hairloss experienced came from a massive imbalance in regards to the whole entire B-Complex family. You do not supplement with supraphysiological dosages of one specific vitamin and then disregard the others.
It has been established that B5 can help reduce hairloss in those that are deficient within that specific nutrient. I would definitely recommend either acquiring a viable and biologically active form of the B-Complex or do some research in regards to oral supplementation. I personally give myself an intramuscular injection, but I don't expect anyone to ever go those lengths.
(whoever made a mentioning of ensuring you supplement all the proper molecules for the biosynthesis of CoA eg. cysteine... gravely oversimplified the molecular chemistry of the body. CoA/Actyl CoA have been observed at the biologically mean levels in individuals who were diagnosed with pantothenic deficiency...which is extremely rare...you can get by with 5mg/day to maintain proper biological function)
Biological Active Life
In reference to the mentioning of "biologically active".... Certain B-vitamins are horrendous in specific bonds. For instance, cynocobalamine is the cobalamine molecule (B12) with a cyanide group attached to the upper ligand. This allows it to survive first digestion, but it is not in a biologically active form...nor does it possess a high probability of being properly metabolized into a bioloigcally active form...(this is only a notion for oral administration. I.V/Sub-q fall under different principles in relation to the pharmacokinetics)
"Cyanocobalamin is the least friendly analogue of B12. Conversion equation.. cyanocoblamin>methylcobalamin>adenosylcobalamin Everytime that metabolic conversion occured there was a percentage of the original threshold administered lost to inactivity/malabsorption/degredation." Just quoting myself from a post I did somewhere else...
Balding
To anyone that used an antihypertensive vasodilator topical ointment (Minoxidil, Finasteride, Dutasteride) These are for the treatment of androgen related hair loss. That androgen is Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) It is similar to testosterone and it is a byproduct of an enzymatic alteration via 5au-reductase enzyme. It is not as anabolic, but possesses a high affinity for exhibiting androgenic effects and it can bind to the hair follicles rendering them dormant. It will not do anything for hair loss associated with supraphysiological B5 dosages.
Honestly, I wouldn't recommend using anything that exhibits an antagonist activity to the 5au-reductase enzyme. DHT is a major component of libido as well was estradiol (E2) for men that is..
I have a dermaroller too but I don't think you will see any significant benefits. Not without using minoxidil at least. To be fair, I haven't used the DR regularly but I'd say the chances are pretty slim. Still, if you see some progress let me know. I think I will start dermarolling once a week from now on and see if it helps.
Not sure if the oils I use have actually helped me. I think they might have messed up my scalp's oil production. I have since stopped using most of the oils and only apply a tiny amount of coconut oil whenever my scalp is dry. I also use aloe vera gel whenever I feel irritation and it has really helped my scalp I think.
I just ordered some spirulina and chia seeds. I'll start drinking vegetable smoothies mixed with spirulina every day once it arrives.
I also have some pharmacy-grade probiotics which I have been prescribed. I am currently taking them, so let's see if they help.
I have heard good things about drinking baking soda, so I too will drink one teaspoon per day from now on.
If anybody is interested in the supplements I take, let me know.
I have a appointment with my endocrinologist in 2 weeks and will get some blood tests done again. I'll also ask him about the Iodine.
Blue, let me know how you fare on it. I was borderline hypothyroid last year and had a ultrasound done. In the end, the doctor just told me to consume more iodine in my diet.
At the moment I just try to treat my scalp and hair gently, eat a healthy, balanced diet, get enough rest and avoid stress.
My hair and scalp feel pretty good at the moment. I don't really shed anymore, not extraordinary amounts like I did before at least. My hairline however still seems to be receding.
I have a supply of Minoxidil lying around but I'm hesitant to use it since it supposedly doesn't work on the hairline, might cause some scalp irritation and also you have to use it everyday for the rest of your life. It's kind of the last resort for me
I hear you.
FYI there are a lot of reports of minox working on hairline, and it does work, it was just never tested on Hairline so they cant claim it works there, thats all.
Im thinking of buying the 2% minox Shaltop-A formula with tretinoin.
My only concern is sides + maybe it will recede hairline faster or something !!!! rare but this has been reported!! scary....
I'm sure this is old information and I did not read through all the pages, but the many I did glance over had so much "bro"-ness to the information...
B-Complex Family Fundamentals
I can honestly say that 3,000-6,000mg a day of pantothenic acid is outrageous. Also I can easily identify that the hairloss experienced came from a massive imbalance in regards to the whole entire B-Complex family. You do not supplement with supraphysiological dosages of one specific vitamin and then disregard the others.
It has been established that B5 can help reduce hairloss in those that are deficient within that specific nutrient. I would definitely recommend either acquiring a viable and biologically active form of the B-Complex or do some research in regards to oral supplementation. I personally give myself an intramuscular injection, but I don't expect anyone to ever go those lengths.
(whoever made a mentioning of ensuring you supplement all the proper molecules for the biosynthesis of CoA eg. cysteine... gravely oversimplified the molecular chemistry of the body. CoA/Actyl CoA have been observed at the biologically mean levels in individuals who were diagnosed with pantothenic deficiency...which is extremely rare...you can get by with 5mg/day to maintain proper biological function)
Biological Active Life
In reference to the mentioning of "biologically active".... Certain B-vitamins are horrendous in specific bonds. For instance, cynocobalamine is the cobalamine molecule (B12) with a cyanide group attached to the upper ligand. This allows it to survive first digestion, but it is not in a biologically active form...nor does it possess a high probability of being properly metabolized into a bioloigcally active form...(this is only a notion for oral administration. I.V/Sub-q fall under different principles in relation to the pharmacokinetics)
"Cyanocobalamin is the least friendly analogue of B12. Conversion equation.. cyanocoblamin>methylcobalamin>adenosylcobalamin Everytime that metabolic conversion occured there was a percentage of the original threshold administered lost to inactivity/malabsorption/degredation." Just quoting myself from a post I did somewhere else...
Balding
To anyone that used an antihypertensive vasodilator topical ointment (Minoxidil, Finasteride, Dutasteride) These are for the treatment of androgen related hair loss. That androgen is Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) It is similar to testosterone and it is a byproduct of an enzymatic alteration via 5au-reductase enzyme. It is not as anabolic, but possesses a high affinity for exhibiting androgenic effects and it can bind to the hair follicles rendering them dormant. It will not do anything for hair loss associated with supraphysiological B5 dosages.
Honestly, I wouldn't recommend using anything that exhibits an antagonist activity to the 5au-reductase enzyme. DHT is a major component of libido as well was estradiol (E2) for men that is..
Please HALP us.
If it's not DHT related, why are we receding in M shape pattern and whatnot?
What should we do??
If someone is unknowingly predisposed to androgen alopecia and the inevitable hair loss was gradual it could have went on without recognition.
That is until a supraphysiological introduction of only one part of the B-Complex was administered resulting in deficiency in another vitamin that relied on the interactions/synergistic nature.
This deficiency eventually lead to hair loss unrelated to the androgenic nature of dihydrotestosterone, but was influenced by a micronutritient defienency.
However, given the slow progression of androgen related hair loss, it only created a "skeleton" from which the rapid onset of shedding from the vitamin deficiency greatly exacerbated the formally unbeknowst pattern that was perpetrated by DHT's activity.
Just a thought... I originally believed in the theory of how MPB was a trait from the maternal side, but that is a load of poop. I personaly periodize exogenous testosterone usage utilizing dosages far above physiological norm and still have absolutely no hair loss. Even with blood work establishing total T concentrate 3000+ ng/dl (reference range 500-800 ng/dl dependent upon lab)
If someone is unknowingly predisposed to androgen alopecia and the inevitable hair loss was gradual it could have went on without recognition.
That is until a supraphysiological introduction of only one part of the B-Complex was administered resulting in deficiency in another vitamin that relied on the interactions/synergistic nature.
This deficiency eventually lead to hair loss unrelated to the androgenic nature of dihydrotestosterone, but was influenced by a micronutritient defienency.
However, given the slow progression of androgen related hair loss, it only created a "skeleton" from which the rapid onset of shedding from the vitamin deficiency greatly exacerbated the formally unbeknowst pattern that was perpetrated by DHT's activity.
Just a thought... I originally believed in the theory of how MPB was a trait from the maternal side, but that is a load of poop. I personaly periodize exogenous testosterone usage utilizing dosages far above physiological norm and still have absolutely no hair loss. Even with blood work establishing total T concentrate 3000+ ng/dl (reference range 500-800 ng/dl dependent upon lab)
Then why hasn't taking a B complex helped?
Okay, I understand you're trying to help, and reiteration of previous posts is fine (not very helpful), but you've added conjectures and made baseless statements that are simply unproven, some of which are just plain untrue and you are and are going to cause confusion. Especially the below:
To anyone that used an antihypertensive vasodilator topical ointment (Minoxidil, Finasteride, Dutasteride) These are for the treatment of androgen related hair loss. That androgen is Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) It is similar to testosterone and it is a byproduct of an enzymatic alteration via 5au-reductase enzyme. It is not as anabolic, but possesses a high affinity for exhibiting androgenic effects and it can bind to the hair follicles rendering them dormant. It will not do anything for hair loss associated with supraphysiological B5 dosages.
Honestly, I wouldn't recommend using anything that exhibits an antagonist activity to the 5au-reductase enzyme. DHT is a major component of libido as well was estradiol (E2) for men that is..
One of the few things that has been consistent is that DHT is playing some type of role in B5 hair loss and that DHT inhibitors can also delay this hair loss like MPB but as per usual only work for the majority.
I'm not a moderator, but it would be nice if you didn't make assumptions about this currently unknown and unidentified problem.
Has anyone been on a B complex for some time?
I was on it for 2 months, not sure if anyone else was silly enough to take it for that long. My hair loss got at least 3 x worse while on it. The problem is, b-complex has b-5 in it, and that's how you got here in the first place, even the small dose increased symptoms greatly (for me at least). Did lots of blood tests too, only to be told time and time again by my doctor that I was not even slightly deficient in my b vitamins.