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It's now been 14 days since I took my last dose of Finasteride. I read that it takes around 10 days for it to stop working and your DHT levels return to normal.
Since 2 or 3 days I have noticed that my scalp has been itching again and that I am losing/shedding hair again. I did not notice any shedding whatsoever during my 3 weeks of Fin.
I'm fairly certain that this is MPB now guys
Why did you stop Finasteride?
Did you have bad side effects?
Not really. The only thing I noticed was increased urination and watery semen which is pretty common.
But I stopped because I don't think it is healthy to suppress more than 70% of a hormone that has many functions in the body, many of which are not completely explored yet
I used to get oily scalp after a couple of days after shampooing.. but i never get it anymore (after the b5 overdose).. Not even if I leave it without showering for days/weeks.. Oily scalp comes from the bodys production of grease.. it is there to protect the hair and make it strong.. this could very well be why I am losing hair.. I have no grease what so ever.. I used to have so much...
Some of you guys have reported dry scalp.. so I asume youve lost your grease too
Ill guess Ill buy some kind of oil for the hair but I think it would be way better if it came from the inside.. were the problem probably lies..
Anywho.. any thoughts on this?
I used to get oily scalp after a couple of days after shampooing.. but i never get it anymore (after the b5 overdose).. Not even if I leave it without showering for days/weeks.. Oily scalp comes from the bodys production of grease.. it is there to protect the hair and make it strong.. this could very well be why I am losing hair.. I have no grease what so ever.. I used to have so much...
Some of you guys have reported dry scalp.. so I asume youve lost your grease too
Ill guess Ill buy some kind of oil for the hair but I think it would be way better if it came from the inside.. were the problem probably lies..
Anywho.. any thoughts on this?
Yep I had the same.
Two tips:
1. Apply Apple Cider Vinegar to your scalp(diluted of course, I have made myself a conditioner with ACV. There are many sources which indicate that ACV regulates sebum production both systemically and topically[hence its use as Acne medication])
2. Drink 1-2 table spoons of ACV/Lemon Juice a day
I used to get oily scalp after a couple of days after shampooing.. but i never get it anymore (after the b5 overdose).. Not even if I leave it without showering for days/weeks.. Oily scalp comes from the bodys production of grease.. it is there to protect the hair and make it strong.. this could very well be why I am losing hair.. I have no grease what so ever.. I used to have so much...
Some of you guys have reported dry scalp.. so I asume youve lost your grease too
Ill guess Ill buy some kind of oil for the hair but I think it would be way better if it came from the inside.. were the problem probably lies..
Anywho.. any thoughts on this?
Yep I had the same.
Two tips:
1. Apply Apple Cider Vinegar to your scalp(diluted of course, I have made myself a conditioner with ACV. There are many sources which indicate that ACV regulates sebum production both systemically and topically[hence its use as Acne medication])
2. Drink 1-2 table spoons of ACV/Lemon Juice a day
Have you had any success with this elmechanico? Or any others having success with anything for that matter?
I myself am still trying the topical solution from this hair clinic, but to no surprise it is without results until now (3 months).
I used to get oily scalp after a couple of days after shampooing.. but i never get it anymore (after the b5 overdose).. Not even if I leave it without showering for days/weeks.. Oily scalp comes from the bodys production of grease.. it is there to protect the hair and make it strong.. this could very well be why I am losing hair.. I have no grease what so ever.. I used to have so much...
Some of you guys have reported dry scalp.. so I asume youve lost your grease too
Ill guess Ill buy some kind of oil for the hair but I think it would be way better if it came from the inside.. were the problem probably lies..
Anywho.. any thoughts on this?
Yep I had the same.
Two tips:
1. Apply Apple Cider Vinegar to your scalp(diluted of course, I have made myself a conditioner with ACV. There are many sources which indicate that ACV regulates sebum production both systemically and topically[hence its use as Acne medication])
2. Drink 1-2 table spoons of ACV/Lemon Juice a day
Have you had any success with this elmechanico? Or any others having success with anything for that matter?
I myself am still trying the topical solution from this hair clinic, but to no surprise it is without results until now (3 months).
It's difficult to exactly pin down what has brought results and what not. I've been doing this for almost 6 months now and my hair is better.
You could definitely give it a shot.
Hello everybody.
I have not signed in for a while and I have unfortunately not had a chance to read all the previous posts. For this I apologise.
However, since my last post, I have continued to conduct in-depth research into the cause of the the B5 induced hairloss connection.
This will be a quick post, but I hope it may prove to be useful.
My current theory is in relation to supplemental b5 and the b vitamin biotin.
It has been proven that Vitamin b5 and Biotin compete with each other due to having similar molecular structures.
References:
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/vitamins/biotin#safety
It has been noted that high doses of vitamin B5 can block the absorption of biotin.
Biotin has been anecdotally reported to aid hair growth, and structure, and general health hair maintenance.
Vitamin B5 has been related to assisting in maintain acne free clear skin.
Biotin has been anecdotally reported to cause cystic acne in a number of supplement users.
A quick google search can reference countless individuals who report that Biotin improves the quality of their hair, but causes cystic acne.
Another google search can reference countless individuals who report that B5 improves skin quality but causes hair loss.
Now discovering that these two vitamins actually compete with each other, but yet provide assistance in maintaining health of the skin and hair, it can be hypothesized that very high doses of B5 may have somehow cause irregularities in the body's ability to absorb Biotin.
A biotin deficiency has also been noted to cause a decrease in serum availability of insulin-like growth factor-1.
Reference:
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00394-009-0773-8
Insulin-like growth factor-1 plays a significant role in hair growth.
Reference:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10673454
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3283847/
I hope everybody is following what I am saying and the correlation I am making.
I hypothesize that the cause of the hair loss is in relation to a reduced serum level of Insulin-like growth factor-1 caused by biotin deficiency induced by high dose vitamin b5.
I will attempt to test this theory on myself, whereby I will be supplementing a low strength Biotin supplement (Solgar 300mcg) taken in the morning, with a lost dose vitamin B5 (Solgar 200mg) in the afternoon.
I will report back with any effects in relation to hair growth and acne.
I understand the total hesitation of supplemental biotin usage due to it being linked to breakouts.
I also understand the hesitation towards B5 usage due to hairloss.
I am hoping that by balancing these two vitamins, taken at different times of the day, may continue to assist me in maintaining clear skin, as well as maintaining the current condition of my hair (which presently is stable, though no regrowth so to speak).
I will cease using colostrum and the glandular supplements.
I will keep you all updated.
Hello everybody.
I have not signed in for a while and I have unfortunately not had a chance to read all the previous posts. For this I apologise.
However, since my last post, I have continued to conduct in-depth research into the cause of the the B5 induced hairloss connection.
This will be a quick post, but I hope it may prove to be useful.
My current theory is in relation to supplemental b5 and the b vitamin biotin.
It has been proven that Vitamin b5 and Biotin compete with each other due to having similar molecular structures.
References:
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/vitamins/biotin#safety
It has been noted that high doses of vitamin B5 can block the absorption of biotin.
Biotin has been anecdotally reported to aid hair growth, and structure, and general health hair maintenance.
Vitamin B5 has been related to assisting in maintain acne free clear skin.
Biotin has been anecdotally reported to cause cystic acne in a number of supplement users.
A quick google search can reference countless individuals who report that Biotin improves the quality of their hair, but causes cystic acne.
Another google search can reference countless individuals who report that B5 improves skin quality but causes hair loss.
Now discovering that these two vitamins actually compete with each other, but yet provide assistance in maintaining health of the skin and hair, it can be hypothesized that very high doses of B5 may have somehow cause irregularities in the body's ability to absorb Biotin.
A biotin deficiency has also been noted to cause a decrease in serum availability of insulin-like growth factor-1.
Reference:
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00394-009-0773-8
Insulin-like growth factor-1 plays a significant role in hair growth.
Reference:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10673454
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3283847/
I hope everybody is following what I am saying and the correlation I am making.
I hypothesize that the cause of the hair loss is in relation to a reduced serum level of Insulin-like growth factor-1 caused by biotin deficiency induced by high dose vitamin b5.
I will attempt to test this theory on myself, whereby I will be supplementing a low strength Biotin supplement (Solgar 300mcg) taken in the morning, with a lost dose vitamin B5 (Solgar 200mg) in the afternoon.
I will report back with any effects in relation to hair growth and acne.
I understand the total hesitation of supplemental biotin usage due to it being linked to breakouts.
I also understand the hesitation towards B5 usage due to hairloss.
I am hoping that by balancing these two vitamins, taken at different times of the day, may continue to assist me in maintaining clear skin, as well as maintaining the current condition of my hair (which presently is stable, though no regrowth so to speak).
I will cease using colostrum and the glandular supplements.
I will keep you all updated.
Not to rain on your parade, but I've been consistently taking b-5 and biotin 100 mg each and it has consistently made my hair worse, so even maintaining might be a stretch.
Hello everybody.
I have not signed in for a while and I have unfortunately not had a chance to read all the previous posts. For this I apologise.
However, since my last post, I have continued to conduct in-depth research into the cause of the the B5 induced hairloss connection.
This will be a quick post, but I hope it may prove to be useful.
My current theory is in relation to supplemental b5 and the b vitamin biotin.
It has been proven that Vitamin b5 and Biotin compete with each other due to having similar molecular structures.
References:
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/vitamins/biotin#safety
It has been noted that high doses of vitamin B5 can block the absorption of biotin.
Biotin has been anecdotally reported to aid hair growth, and structure, and general health hair maintenance.
Vitamin B5 has been related to assisting in maintain acne free clear skin.
Biotin has been anecdotally reported to cause cystic acne in a number of supplement users.
A quick google search can reference countless individuals who report that Biotin improves the quality of their hair, but causes cystic acne.
Another google search can reference countless individuals who report that B5 improves skin quality but causes hair loss.
Now discovering that these two vitamins actually compete with each other, but yet provide assistance in maintaining health of the skin and hair, it can be hypothesized that very high doses of B5 may have somehow cause irregularities in the body's ability to absorb Biotin.
A biotin deficiency has also been noted to cause a decrease in serum availability of insulin-like growth factor-1.
Reference:
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00394-009-0773-8
Insulin-like growth factor-1 plays a significant role in hair growth.
Reference:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10673454
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3283847/
I hope everybody is following what I am saying and the correlation I am making.
I hypothesize that the cause of the hair loss is in relation to a reduced serum level of Insulin-like growth factor-1 caused by biotin deficiency induced by high dose vitamin b5.
I will attempt to test this theory on myself, whereby I will be supplementing a low strength Biotin supplement (Solgar 300mcg) taken in the morning, with a lost dose vitamin B5 (Solgar 200mg) in the afternoon.
I will report back with any effects in relation to hair growth and acne.
I understand the total hesitation of supplemental biotin usage due to it being linked to breakouts.
I also understand the hesitation towards B5 usage due to hairloss.
I am hoping that by balancing these two vitamins, taken at different times of the day, may continue to assist me in maintaining clear skin, as well as maintaining the current condition of my hair (which presently is stable, though no regrowth so to speak).
I will cease using colostrum and the glandular supplements.
I will keep you all updated.
Why don't you just get your IGF-1 serum levels tested? Would be much easier and more concrete than your subjective experiment in my opinion
I supplemented with biotin for about 2 years and that didn't help with the hair loss and shedding. I also stopped using Colostrum Plus as i didn't notice any difference after going through an entire container.
At the moment I am just trying to suppress the inflammation on my scalp by alternating dandruff shampoos such as Nizoral, coal tar+menthol, Zinc, and Jason's Dandruff shampoo. Also using the scalp serum (Rosemary extract, Jojoba oil, argan oil, lavender extract) 2-3 times per week, massaged into my scalp at night before I go to sleep. I just ordered Saw Palmetto Liquid Extract and Stinging Nettle Liquid extract to add to my oil mixture. These will hopefully help inhibit DHT.
Still shedding but not as bad if I keep my dandruff/inflammation under control. Hair is thin but I continue to see vellus hairs pop up and some turn terminal.
In response to the replies:
As far as im aware, It is quite difficult to get a serum IGF-1 test conducted in the UK, unless paid for privately. It will be something I may have to look into.
The reason why I felt colostrum and the adrenal/thyroid supplements worked for me was because they are all linked to increased IGF-1 in the body.
References:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12133885
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16148056
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11762714
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22582495
http://www.nature.com/pr/journal/v52/n2/full/pr2002158a.html
I am been attempting my utmost to find a plausible reason for the initial hairloss, and thus far, the IGF-1 connection seems like an avenue that may hold some substantiation.
I have to supplement biotin at an entirely different time to the B5 so they don't compete for adsorption.
It's a hypothesis I'm willing to undertake.
I've researched quite extensively into possible causes. I'm really hoping this one could be concordant.
Though, having just heard some of you mention that you have already supplemented with biotin alone, makes it quite discouraging. ;(
I haven't posted in a while, either I was improving hair loss wise or I just got used to it, it's kinda hard to tell. But now I am definitely back :/ my hair seems to have quite suddenly thinned out a lot and i'm still losing truck loads in the shower, but to be honest I think it may be that its finally really starting to show, rather than the hair loss stopping and starting. Showers have always been full of bad times for the last 9 months since B5. What did seem to help (possibly) was when I went on an anti candida diet- no sugar, no wheat, very very few carbs, no dairy, basically nothing but meat, oats, vegetables and a little fruit. Obviously my life was utter hell on this diet because I could barely socialise and I lost a stone and a half, but my skin seemed more controlled and my hair loss became less central in my life which suggests some improvement. So there's a thought anyway. I've been off the diet about 3 weeks now and my hair is concerning me more. I've started on colostrum but no one seemed to have good results from here if I remember right :'( arhjjjgjgjgjgg
Interestingly I've been reading back a bit tonight and discovered that the couple of people who have had success in reducing symptoms are those who regularly use lavender and rosemary essential oils on their scalp diluted with a carrier oil. Indian friends of mine swear blind that the reason Indians tend to have beautiful thick hair is their deep rooted routine of oil application. I'm going to start this. Also for anyone who might be interested, I use henna (indian herb and natural dye) on my hair every month or two, which not only dyes it a lovely rich red-brown but coats the hair strand making it appear thicker. It's really great, I had thin hair after my anorexia for years on end (prior to this b5 saga) and henna improved the appearance no end.
Also for the people who state this is the sign of an 'autoimmune disease' are you talking about the terrible kind in which you slowly deteriorate and lose your sight? 
freaking me.
Hi guys!
Question...
For all of those suffering from hairloss due to B5 -
Is your hairloss in a regular pattern?
ie - male pattern baldness areas for males... crown of the head for females?
Or is it in other, more irregular places as well?
I've been taking B5 for a while. It has literally cured me of acne and restored my life. I love it.
I've read about the potential for hair loss and have made peace with it.
I don't care about being bald. If that's what it takes to be clear, I'm totally fine with it.
However, recently I started thinking... what if it makes me loose hair in other places?
Like my facial hair or (my biggest concern) my eyebrows? I don't think I could deal with this...
Has anyone experienced significant, unequivocal hairloss in places like the eyebrows while on B5?
Or mostly just the head?
I used to get oily scalp after a couple of days after shampooing.. but i never get it anymore (after the b5 overdose).. Not even if I leave it without showering for days/weeks.. Oily scalp comes from the bodys production of grease.. it is there to protect the hair and make it strong.. this could very well be why I am losing hair.. I have no grease what so ever.. I used to have so much...
Some of you guys have reported dry scalp.. so I asume youve lost your grease too
Ill guess Ill buy some kind of oil for the hair but I think it would be way better if it came from the inside.. were the problem probably lies..
Anywho.. any thoughts on this?
I've been using oils and the inflammation is gone, which amounted to a reduction in hair loss, but alas, the hair loss still continues and so does the dryness.
Hi guys!
Question...
For all of those suffering from hairloss due to B5 -
Is your hairloss in a regular pattern?
ie - male pattern baldness areas for males... crown of the head for females?
Or is it in other, more irregular places as well?
I've been taking B5 for a while. It has literally cured me of acne and restored my life. I love it.
I've read about the potential for hair loss and have made peace with it.
I don't care about being bald. If that's what it takes to be clear, I'm totally fine with it.
However, recently I started thinking... what if it makes me loose hair in other places?
Like my facial hair or (my biggest concern) my eyebrows? I don't think I could deal with this...
Has anyone experienced significant, unequivocal hairloss in places like the eyebrows while on B5?
Or mostly just the head?
Hair loss has not always been a regular MPB pattern among people here, but it is restricted to the scalp.
have any of you tried saw palmetto?
my eyebrows are fine for the record, jayr1
I took saw palmetto twice. It's a great option if you want to lose your hair quicker. Once you stop you will shed the hair you were supposed to lose + quite a bit more. Unless of course, you stay on it forever?
why couldn't you stay on it forever mr bushido? Did it halt hair loss while you were on it?
In case anyone is interested i'll be on fermented (so expensive as f***!) cod liver oil from tomorrow, I will update in a while x don't give up
It did stop the hair loss 
I actually used it mainly for acne.. My skin is usually clear until I use work out supplements (which mess my hormones up) so I just used saw palmetto to balance everything again. As other people have mentioned here, using DHT inhibitors isn't very safe for males, I was always tired when I was taking it, and only found out later that it causes more hair loss than I would have gotten over those 2 periods of time