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I've been taking B1 for a week now.
I started at 300mg and have upped the dose to 500mg after 4 days.
I have noticed no negative side effects so far.
The first 6 days my hair noticeably got better. I shedded less and my scalp improved. I did not perform a pull test but I noticed less hair falling out and when I ran a comb through my hair not a single hair were stuck in the comb afterwards whereas there always were before the B1.
Today however, my scalp was really irritated and I shedded a lot more but I think it was due to the shampoo I used(La Roche Posay Kerium DS; my dermatologist recommended it but every time I use it I get acne on my scalp and itching/redness) and due to the fact that I used hair spray these last few days and also drank a lot of alcohol and smoked a lot of cigarettes which I usually never do.
I just washed my hair and checked my hair. It seems thicker and I am starting to see regrowth. I've also started to apply a mixture of Olive, Castor and Tea Tree Oil to my hairline. I am optimistic that my situation will improve and will continue taking the B1.
What really surprised me was the range of other benefits I noticed after taking B1.
These past few months I experienced a lot of strange things in my life. I was constantly stressed out and was plagued by racing thoughts. Although I was always a confident guy, I began to experience strong social anxiety.
From taking the B1 my mood drastically improved, my social anxiety vanished and I am no longer suffering from racing/depressive thoughts all the time.
tw12, how long should I continue to take the B1 and at what dose? I have a doctor's appointment in 1 week where I will get my thyroid/adrenals checked. Anything else I should get checked?
To answer your other question tw12, I am currently taking:
-Omega 3
-Iron(contains B6,B12,Folic Acid,Iron) I have iron deficiency anemia so I have to take iron supplements
-Vitamin B1
Every few days I take Zinc tablets which contain 50mg Zinc, Copper and Calcium and I am considering to take it every day.
Should I add Biotin to my regimen? I am also considering taking Probiotics as I have been taking Antibiotics for my Acne.
Get all these checked
Thyroid
Adrenal glands
Dht
Vitamins & minerals
Kidney
I had vitamins and minerals checked which came back fine but my doctor said my kidney readings where off, he said it could be due to dehydration and basically fobbed me off and told me to go back 6 weeks later but recently I haven't had the time, maybe the b5 affects the kidneys and causes hairloss somehow or maybe I was just dehydrated haha
Get all these checked
Thyroid
Adrenal glands
Dht
Vitamins & minerals
Kidney
I had vitamins and minerals checked which came back fine but my doctor said my kidney readings where off, he said it could be due to dehydration and basically fobbed me off and told me to go back 6 weeks later but recently I haven't had the time, maybe the b5 affects the kidneys and causes hairloss somehow or maybe I was just dehydrated haha
okej good work let us know how your kidney is doing when uv been there and back again. If its the kidney maybe we can "fix" it.
Hi everyone,
I stayed up late doing research and this undertaking is very very intense. I'm thinking it might be best to hire a phd biologist who specialized in vitamin toxicity. It will cost significantly more, but there will be a much better chance of actually solving the hairloss. This will probably cost between 50k-100k, but considering we are the top google search term and the number of unique individuals who have commented on this thread, I think we can do it. Let me know your thoughts.
Yes I think it is worth it, I would be very excited to see a proper study done on this.
I know it doesn't guarantee a cure but it would at least give a real chance. I hope people would recognise this and contribute.
There are obviously hundreds, maybe thousands of people suffering from this. Hint: I checked and an average of 140 people worldwide search Google for the term "vitamin b5 hair loss" each month. (yes I do SEO for a living).
I could even start up a website to scoop up this traffic, provide information and get people aware of the kickstarter campaign. Though I'm sure posting about on this and other forums would get through to many people.
For the people who have seen hair improvement on b1 stop and monitor, im extremely happy for u. for the people who have seen increased shedding but u can add magnesium and halt thiamine for now as it forms the thiamine cofactor, maybe u were low on magnesium and thiamine depleted it further as it gets transformed to its active form, this is very very common,magnesium will further decrease ur cortiso,help ur acne and hair...
For the people who have seen hair improvement on b1 stop and monitor, im extremely happy for u. for the people who have seen increased shedding but u can add magnesium and halt thiamine for now as it forms the thiamine cofactor, maybe u were low on magnesium and thiamine depleted it further as it gets transformed to its active form, this is very very common,magnesium will further decrease ur cortiso,help ur acne and hair...
Maybe this is why it helped me? Ive been taking magnesium supplement for over 4 months now
For the people who have seen hair improvement on b1 stop and monitor, im extremely happy for u. for the people who have seen increased shedding but u can add magnesium and halt thiamine for now as it forms the thiamine cofactor, maybe u were low on magnesium and thiamine depleted it further as it gets transformed to its active form, this is very very common,magnesium will further decrease ur cortiso,help ur acne and hair...
Maybe this is why it helped me? Ive been taking magnesium supplement for over 4 months now
Are you still shedding though? Thought you said it got worse again.
For the people who have seen hair improvement on b1 stop and monitor, im extremely happy for u. for the people who have seen increased shedding but u can add magnesium and halt thiamine for now as it forms the thiamine cofactor, maybe u were low on magnesium and thiamine depleted it further as it gets transformed to its active form, this is very very common,magnesium will further decrease ur cortiso,help ur acne and hair...
What dosage magnesium do you recommend? In the whole for years I've been shedding I've never taken a b-complex do you think I should try it, mabe copper too.
I'm booked in for Monday 28th with the best doctor at my surgery, the doctor I saw last time was a twat.
All tests, note the testosterone
How old are these tests? These are very helpful and could explain a lot of things. But what we really need to know is what your estrogen (estradiol) and LH levels are in order to interpret these results.
From a year ago. You and I discussed this over email and nothing ever came of it. Since you are still browsing this thread...the T injections and HCG didn't work?
Id suggest magnesium glycinate...around 400mg a day...Guys, it has nothing to do with the testosterone, testo will never harm u if ur hair is not sensitive to it(androgenic), but the b5 harms all people and all around the hair not on top only... Pantothenic acid depletes copper but someone back here in the thread did a copper test and it was fine...Id test folic acid and ceruloplasmin(marker for copper deficiency from high cortisol,serum copper is not enough) if i were u ...u have seen how both cases have seen an instant stop in their shedding from the b1, this is nothing short of a miracle...
All tests, note the testosterone
How old are these tests? These are very helpful and could explain a lot of things. But what we really need to know is what your estrogen (estradiol) and LH levels are in order to interpret these results.
From a year ago. You and I discussed this over email and nothing ever came of it. Since you are still browsing this thread...the T injections and HCG didn't work?
No.
Trying a few new things these days. At some point I need to create a post with all the things I've tried and my current theories.
2 week update-
Hairloss significantly less since starting spiro cream.
I use spiro at night all over my head. When I wake up I wash it out with nizoral. I leave nizoral on my head for 5-10mins.
Also good for acne. Two birds, one stone.
The following study used spiro twice a day, but I found it smelled to much which is why I use nirozal as my day anti androgen
"Our study demonstrates that 5% topical spironolactone cream acts as an antiandrogen in human sebaceous glands, competing with DHT receptors and producing a decrease of labelled DHT. At the concentrations used the effect has been only local. No side-effects were recorded during both studies"
I've been using B1 for almost 2 weeks now at doses between 300 and 500 mg.
I am still shedding quite badly. Is there any point in continuing?
I only took the B5 for one week and almost a year later I'm still shedding and it's starting to ruin my life.
Taking B5 has been the biggest mistake I've made in my short 18 years of life
I've been using B1 for almost 2 weeks now at doses between 300 and 500 mg.
I am still shedding quite badly. Is there any point in continuing?
I only took the B5 for one week and almost a year later I'm still shedding and it's starting to ruin my life.
Taking B5 has been the biggest mistake I've made in my short 18 years of life
No mate stop the b1 personally I don't think it does anything, I went and bought magnesium and guess what I'm still shedding:(
The weird thing is my hair quality is very good. Maybe due to all the supplements and hair products I've been using over the past few months but my hair is very soft, shiny and thick. At first I thought I was shedding all over my head but it's probably mainly the temples. My hair is still thick on top, the sides and the back. It is only near the hairline that I am really thinning.
Those are also the only areas where I experience seborrheic dermatitis/itching/irritation and inflammation.
I know this sounds like MPB but I highly doubt I have MPB because A) I have no family history of balding. My father is a Norwood 2 or 3 at 50 and my cousins all still have rather full hair in their thirties B) the shedding started right when I started taking the B5. I know somebody here had the theory that B5 jumpstarts MPB but tw12 denied that.
I could have many possible triggers for TE or stress induced hair loss though. I suffer from iron deficiency anemia, I had stomach flu before I started taking the B5 and wasn't able to eat anything for 2 weeks and lost a lot of weight in that perioid, took Minocycline for longer periods which could have messed up my gut bacteria flora, for longer periods of time I did not eat enough(probably only 1500 calories or less a day) and it is quite likely something is wrong with my thyroid as well since my TSH is on the border of the normal range and I had suspected something was wrong with my Thyroid for a long time.
I was also very stressed out, partly due to the hair loss, this last year and hardly got any sleep the most nights.
So basically I could have multiple triggers which I am currently all working on fixing.
I will get some tests done on Wednesday and report back once I have the results!
I've been using B1 for almost 2 weeks now at doses between 300 and 500 mg.
I am still shedding quite badly. Is there any point in continuing?
I only took the B5 for one week and almost a year later I'm still shedding and it's starting to ruin my life.
Taking B5 has been the biggest mistake I've made in my short 18 years of life
No mate stop the b1 personally I don't think it does anything, I went and bought magnesium and guess what I'm still shedding:(
Wht other supps do u take...Do take flaxseed or anything similar?...I urge u all to do ceruloplasmin test which is always low when corttisolis high and is an iron carrier and copper carrier protein and being low causes extreme hair loss...U need to also do folic acid(folate) test as it is used up to transform the b5 to coenzyme and a deficiency in it causes extreme hair loss, this info im telling u is probably the furthest u will ever get in terms of hair loss associated with b5 and if nothing turns up with these 2 then u are most likely not going to get anywhere...If u really care u will can do these 2 tests and try to look for the reason ur hair is falling, there is definitely a mechanism and its completely not related to androgens, of course taking anti androgens will lower ur hair loss but its not the reason and its not the cure...
Hi bud no I'm not taking any other supplements, ok I'll make sure to ask for a colic acid test and ceruloplasmin test aslo. I really appreciate the help mate. So what happens if these turn out to be low would we simply need to just supplement these in high doses to regain hair?
elmechanico u need to take iron asap, the best form is iron bisglycinate, aim for 150 mg at least.
Blue, if the folic acid is low yes, u will only need to supplement but the ceruloplasmin is much more complicated and will signal a cortisol overload, which u can do a test for as well....B6 and thiamine lower it directly
elmechanico u need to take iron asap, the best form is iron bisglycinate, aim for 150 mg at least. Blue, if the folic acid is low yes, u will only need to supplement but the ceruloplasmin is much more complicated and will signal a cortisol overload, which u can do a test for as well....B6 and thiamine lower it directly
I also have the spots around hairline and sometimes on my scalp, im also getting very hot all the time. Hair is still shedding sometimes longer hairs and other times short hairs. Low libido and not much energy throughout thr day, are all these related?
While you guys are having fun dosing more vitamins, I seem to already be getting some regrowth by applying a few drops of Ray Peat's Progest-E progesterone drops directly on hairline and temples, and 2 drops on testicles. (PROTIP: dab some extra virgin olive oil on hairline first before applying progest-e because it's very very thick due to the vitamin e content)
It hasn't even been a month yet and I'm seeing some new peach fuzz hairs coming in along hairline where before it just kept receding worse and worse. Hair fall is much much much less also, especially considering how hard I'm rubbing this stuff into hairline, it doesn't even make sense. 
I will continue to keep everyone updated. Keep in mind I've only been on this like 2 weeks, if that... can't imagine what my hair will be like after 3 months on this stuff!
While you guys are having fun dosing more vitamins, I seem to already be getting some regrowth by applying a few drops of Ray Peat's Progest-E progesterone drops directly on hairline and temples, and 2 drops on testicles. (PROTIP: dab some extra virgin olive oil on hairline first before applying progest-e because it's very very thick due to the vitamin e content)
It hasn't even been a month yet and I'm seeing some new peach fuzz hairs coming in along hairline where before it just kept receding worse and worse. Hair fall is much much much less also, especially considering how hard I'm rubbing this stuff into hairline, it doesn't even make sense.
I will continue to keep everyone updated. Keep in mind I've only been on this like 2 weeks, if that... can't imagine what my hair will be like after 3 months on this stuff!
Good stuff mike, are you getting any side effects from it at all? How's your libido?
While you guys are having fun dosing more vitamins, I seem to already be getting some regrowth by applying a few drops of Ray Peat's Progest-E progesterone drops directly on hairline and temples, and 2 drops on testicles. (PROTIP: dab some extra virgin olive oil on hairline first before applying progest-e because it's very very thick due to the vitamin e content)
It hasn't even been a month yet and I'm seeing some new peach fuzz hairs coming in along hairline where before it just kept receding worse and worse. Hair fall is much much much less also, especially considering how hard I'm rubbing this stuff into hairline, it doesn't even make sense.
I will continue to keep everyone updated. Keep in mind I've only been on this like 2 weeks, if that... can't imagine what my hair will be like after 3 months on this stuff!
Good stuff mike, are you getting any side effects from it at all? How's your libido?
Libido is awesome. Also get more erections than usual.
Progesterone actually lowers prolactin (which is great for libido and depression, see here: http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/content/120/1/37.abstract ), increases dopamine (good for libido, mood) and is a vasolidator (widens blood vessels, i.e possibly better and more frequent erections). Vasolidator effect of course is good for hair as well.
Of course it does a bunch of other stuff that is good for hair loss:
http://www.progesteronetherapy.com/hair-loss.html
Progesterone and hair loss
- suppresses excess testosterone and oestrogen
- inhibits 5 alpha-reductase activity
- helps balance blood glucose
- is calming, due to it's action on the GABA receptor sites. GABA is a calming neurotransmitter, this prevents an excessive response to stress
- is a vasodilator, so enhancing blood flow, this allows nutrients to reach the hair follicle (oestrogen on the other hand constricts the smooth muscle found in blood vessels
- acts as an antioxidant by increasing levels of SOD and glutathione
- inhibits lipid peroxidation
- inhibits mast cells
- inhibits TNF-alpha
- suppresses the stress hormones
There are multiple reports of guys using progesterone and regrowing hair all around and even at the hairline! (as a SIDE-EFFECT! they weren't even rubbing it on their heads).
We'll that does sound pretty awesome, I wonder what happens when you stop taking it if the hair that regrown stays or falls again. I might have to try this but I really think we need to find the root cause of all this.
Not sure, however I'm not planning to get off of it anytime soon.
It's also incredible to take at night before bed. Stress just melts away and you feel soooooo relaxed. If you were already tired you will want to goto sleep soon after dosing progesterone at a high enough dose.. lol. Then wake up feeling great.
All I know is, it's great for hair loss in both men and women! If a man or women has low progesterone levels, they will lose hair.
It helps from a few different angles, important ones being.. DHT, stress hormones and elevated estrogen levels. It will help eradicate those issues at the least.