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That could be due to the shampoo u use, most shampoos dry the scalp and hair and i found harsh shampoos to cause me more hair loss and dry hair/scalp...Use a natural shampoo...Aubrey organics is gr8...
ya could be, will look up aubrey organics. Thanks again!
Elessarx did your hairloss all of a sudden just stop or was it gradual like less and less hairs falling each day because atm my hair is showing no signs on stopping, the thiamin im using is thiamine hydrochloride is this the right stuff
I guess it just stopped, I noticed there was no hair on my pillow and I dont pull out hair easily now.
I use Vitamin B-1 from NOW Foods, bought on Iherb.
Ok guys update on day 4 I think, all week when I do a hair pull test I was getting 3 or 4 hairs and now im only getting 1 to 2 hairs but mainly 1, certainly much much better than yesterday
Congrats Blue09, ur very close to the cure, u have another week i suppose to be literally cured...I told u patience is the key...u can up the dose to 500
I seem to be shedding really short hairs, not much at all but its the only kind of shedding I have. I think its new hair that trying to regrow but it cant fully grow becaue of my scalp condition.
Still shedfree otherwise
I think ur in for a treat, regrowth is the most logical scenario now...
Yes I kinda agree and might stop. I ran out of Nizoral for a bit and literally just started again 3 days ago. Since I started again, my head has become more itchy/irritated and I shed so much the past couple days.
It might be the sls. You can try a keto shampoo without that.
If b5 causes insulin resistance, we should all have elevated blood sugar levels. Therefore, BEFORE megadosing more vitamins, why not take a blood sugar test. You don't even have to go to the doctor, they have home based ones you can buy online.
Has anyone here had their blood sugar tested recently?
I've been researching other threads for the last 2 hours and pretty much everyone is saying that b5 depletes b3, b6 and b12. Lots of others saying biotin aswell. I do not believe this has anything to do with dht even in the slightest the hairloss is diffuse all over the head, it just has to be a deficiency or cortisol. I'm not to sure on the b1 atm as I seem to be shedding slightly more today which sucks, all of these vitamins are known to cause hairloss if you become deficient and taking multivitamins will not bring levels back up.
vitamin A
vitamin B6
vitamin B12
beta-carotene
biotin
vitamin C
calcium
vitamin D
inositol
iodine
iron
magnesium
niacin
pantothenic acid
selenium
zinc
As for blood sugar no I've never had that tested but a signs of elevated blood sugar include
Need for frequent urination
Drowsiness
Nausea
Extreme hunger and/or thirst
Blurring of the vision
I do piss a lot haha but then I do drink about 4l water a day.
As for the rest I have none other than drowsiness if you class that as fatigue.
We need tests done.
Most of these threads where from years ago so I'm thinking mabe they cured it otherwise surly if they were still shedding they would be on this forum as this is pretty much the first thing that comes up every time you search b5 hairloss
Here is the plan. I am already talking to my university to see if I can order lab mice. If I am able and this b1doesnt work, I will initiate a kickstarter. (Cost $3000-$5000)
Whatever tests people on this thread believe should be performed will be done, then the mice be be given megadoses of b5. Then they will be tested again to determine any hormonal/nutrient deficient. Then we will attempt to cure their hairloss with supplements/medications. All this will be done via strict scientific standards. We need real science.
I think most guys shaved their head and moved on. I don't know anyone who was cured.
I've been researching other threads for the last 2 hours and pretty much everyone is saying that b5 depletes b3, b6 and b12. Lots of others saying biotin aswell. I do not believe this has anything to do with dht even in the slightest the hairloss is diffuse all over the head, it just has to be a deficiency or cortisol. I'm not to sure on the b1 atm as I seem to be shedding slightly more today which sucks, all of these vitamins are known to cause hairloss if you become deficient and taking multivitamins will not bring levels back up.
vitamin A
vitamin B6
vitamin B12
beta-carotene
biotin
vitamin C
calcium
vitamin D
inositol
iodine
iron
magnesium
niacin
pantothenic acid
selenium
zinc
As for blood sugar no I've never had that tested but a signs of elevated blood sugar include
Need for frequent urination
Drowsiness
Nausea
Extreme hunger and/or thirst
Blurring of the vision
I do piss a lot haha but then I do drink about 4l water a day.
As for the rest I have none other than drowsiness if you class that as fatigue.
We need tests done.
Most of these threads where from years ago so I'm thinking mabe they cured it otherwise surly if they were still shedding they would be on this forum as this is pretty much the first thing that comes up every time you search b5 hairloss
Progesterone wouldn't help hair not only from DHT inhibition, it would help via multiple different pathways. (decreases E2,improves T/E ratio, etc)
My hair has diffuse thinning but also hairline receded! =[
post number 333:"I got back the results of my latest blood work vitamins B2, B6, B12, D as well as Copper, Iron, Lead, Mercury and Zinc all came back normal. So, there is no deficiency/excess of any of these.
In the meantime, I managed to slow down the shedding. What did the trick in my case is Magnesium + Chelated Zinc (400/15 mg twice a day) and some adaptogens along with calming herbal supplements to help keep cortisol in check. It seems to be working, so Im a bit more optimistic now than I was a month ago.
As a side note, my visits to the gym have become less of a drag, as I definitely feel more energetic."
vitamins B2, B6, B12 were fine and his shedding became better with magnesium which decreases cortisol...cortisol is the key, insulin is a bonus from the thiamine but the main negative effect of b5 is high cortisol...
post number 333:"I got back the results of my latest blood work vitamins B2, B6, B12, D as well as Copper, Iron, Lead, Mercury and Zinc all came back normal. So, there is no deficiency/excess of any of these.
In the meantime, I managed to slow down the shedding. What did the trick in my case is Magnesium + Chelated Zinc (400/15 mg twice a day) and some adaptogens along with calming herbal supplements to help keep cortisol in check. It seems to be working, so Im a bit more optimistic now than I was a month ago.
As a side note, my visits to the gym have become less of a drag, as I definitely feel more energetic."
vitamins B2, B6, B12 were fine and his shedding became better with magnesium which decreases cortisol...cortisol is the key, insulin is a bonus from the thiamine but the main negative effect of b5 is high cortisol...
Blood test results from last year-
CORTISOL
Reference range:
4.0-50.0mcg
RESULTS-
24.1mcg
My cortisol levels are in range.
GLUCOSE
Reference Range:
65-99 mg/dL
RESULTS
84 mg/dL
My glucose levels are in range.
The poster you quoted had vitamins and mineral levels checked, NOT CORTISOL/GLUCOSE.
I am weary of all this speculating. I want posters to come back here with OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE such as blood/urine tests showing values out of reference ranges.
Major rule of the medical profession
DO NOT TREAT BASED ON SYMPTOMS.
Have any1 got his folic acid levels checked?
http://www.jbc.org/content/199/2/547.full.pdf ....It states that pantothenic acid is mainly stored as coa in the liver and this requires folic acid...So its very possible that increased amounts of pantothenic acid depleted/used up folic acid as its a coenzyme required for the the transformation of pantothenic to conenzyme a...Ofcourse folic acid is one of the biggest known factors for non androgenic hair loss...
Here is the plan. I am already talking to my university to see if I can order lab mice. If I am able and this b1doesnt work, I will initiate a kickstarter. (Cost $3000-$5000)
Whatever tests people on this thread believe should be performed will be done, then the mice be be given megadoses of b5. Then they will be tested again to determine any hormonal/nutrient deficient. Then we will attempt to cure their hairloss with supplements/medications. All this will be done via strict scientific standards. We need real science.
I think most guys shaved their head and moved on. I don't know anyone who was cured.
Hell yeh itsover that's exactly what we need man good on ya
I've been researching other threads for the last 2 hours and pretty much everyone is saying that b5 depletes b3, b6 and b12. Lots of others saying biotin aswell. I do not believe this has anything to do with dht even in the slightest the hairloss is diffuse all over the head, it just has to be a deficiency or cortisol. I'm not to sure on the b1 atm as I seem to be shedding slightly more today which sucks, all of these vitamins are known to cause hairloss if you become deficient and taking multivitamins will not bring levels back up.
vitamin A
vitamin B6
vitamin B12
beta-carotene
biotin
vitamin C
calcium
vitamin D
inositol
iodine
iron
magnesium
niacin
pantothenic acid
selenium
zinc
As for blood sugar no I've never had that tested but a signs of elevated blood sugar include
Need for frequent urination
Drowsiness
Nausea
Extreme hunger and/or thirst
Blurring of the vision
I do piss a lot haha but then I do drink about 4l water a day.
As for the rest I have none other than drowsiness if you class that as fatigue.
We need tests done.
Most of these threads where from years ago so I'm thinking mabe they cured it otherwise surly if they were still shedding they would be on this forum as this is pretty much the first thing that comes up every time you search b5 hairloss
Progesterone wouldn't help hair not only from DHT inhibition, it would help via multiple different pathways. (decreases E2,improves T/E ratio, etc) My hair has diffuse thinning but also hairline receded! =[
Yeh that's the exact same as what I have, keep us up to date with how the prog goes.
http://chestsculpting.com/progesterone-for-men-the-missing-link-in-man-boob-reduction/
Scientist Ray Peat believes this is good to regrowth hair/stop hair loss.
I ordered this one, the one he invented. http://www.electricalbody.com/product/natural-progesterone-oil.htm
I apply a few dabs of olive oil, then apply few drops of the progesterone oil on tempes and hairline. (olive oil because progesterone oil is very thick due to the high vitamin e content).
Been on this for 2 days now. I am really confident in this approach. Also it is awesome... makes you feel soooo relaxed after you take it. Kills stress. Take it before sleep, because it may make you wanna goto sleep, that's what it does for me, but probably because I was tired anyway and it just relaxed me so much.
There's a LOT of benefits to taking this guys, I urge you to try it with me. I have a great feeling about this.
I bought 2 more bottles last night as well. Gonna try this approach long term and see how it goes. who's gonna try it with me?
INFO:
PROGESTERONE INFORMATION
Raymond Peat, MA, PhD (Univ. of Oregon)
Endocrine Physiologist, specializing in hormonal changes in stress and aging
Sixty years ago, progesterone was found to be the main hormone produced by the ovaries. Since it was necessary for fertility and for maintaining a healthy pregnancy, it was called the "pro-gestational hormone," and its name sometimes leads people to think that it isn't needed when you don't want to get pregnant. In fact, it is the most protective hormone the body produces, and the large amounts that are produced during pregnancy result from the developing baby's need for protection from the stressful environment. Normally, the brain contains a very high concentration of progesterone, reflecting its protective function for that most important organ. The thymus gland, the key organ of our immune system, is also profoundly dependent on progesterone.
In experiments, progesterone was found to be the basic hormone of adaptation and of resistance to stress. The adrenal glands use it to produce their anti-stress hormones, and when there is enough progesterone, they don't have to produce the potentially harmful cortisone. In a progesterone deficiency, we produce too much cortisone, and excessive cortisone causes osteoporosis, aging of the skin, damage to brain cells, and the accumulation of fat, especially on the back and abdomen.
Experiments have shown that progesterone relieves anxiety, improves memory, protects brain cells, and even prevents epileptic seizures. It promotes respiration, and has been used to correct emphysema. In the circulatory system, it prevents bulging veins by increasing the tone of blood vessels, and improves the efficiency of the heart. It reverses many of the signs of aging in the skin, and promotes healthy bone growth. It can relieve many types of arthritis, and helps a variety of immunological problems.
If progesterone is taken dissolved in vitamin E, it is absorbed very efficiently, and distributed quickly to all of the tissues. If a woman has ovaries, progesterone helps them to produce both progesterone and estrogen as needed, and also helps to restore normal functioning of the thyroid and other glands. If her ovaries have been removed, progesterone should be taken consistently to replace the lost supply. A progesterone deficiency has often been associated with increased susceptibility to cancer, and progesterone has been used to treat some types of cancer.
It is important to emphasize that progesterone is not just the hormone of pregnancy. To use it only "to protect the uterus" would be like telling a man he doesn't need testosterone if he doesn't plan to father children, except that progesterone is of far greater and more basic significance than testosterone. While men do naturally produce progesterone, and can sometimes benefit from using it, it is not a male hormone. Some people get that impression, because some physicians recommend combining estrogen with either testosterone or progesterone, to protect against some of estrogen's side effects, but progesterone is the body's natural complement to estrogen. Used alone, progesterone often makes it unnecessary to use estrogen for hot flashes or insomnia, or other symptoms of menopause.
When dissolved in vitamin E, progesterone begins entering the blood stream almost as soon as it contacts any membrane, such as the lips, tongue, gums, or palate, but when it is swallowed, it continues to be absorbed as part of the digestive process. When taken with food, its absorption occurs at the same rate as the digestion and absorption of the food.
---
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/three-hormones.shtml
"
On other benefits of natural progesterone
We know that progesterone gives you more energy, we know that progesterone allows you to have better sleep. We know that progesterone allows you to concentrate and focus mentally on things so that you are not affected by peripheral stimuli. We know that progesterone helps digestion of food. We know that it helps the thyroid, we know that it helps energy, we know that it helps the skin; it hydrates the skin-it is a wonderful moisturizer for the skin. We know that it is a natural diuredic. There are studies showing that estrogen is related to auto immune disorders. And now we know, with certainty, that estrogen is the promoter for breast cancer as well as endometrial cancer and in both of those cases, progesterone serves to block that."
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http://chestsculpting.com/progesterone-for-men-the-missing-link-in-man-boob-reduction/
Scientist Ray Peat believes this is good to regrowth hair/stop hair loss.
I ordered this one, the one he invented. http://www.electricalbody.com/product/natural-progesterone-oil.htm
I apply a few dabs of olive oil, then apply few drops of the progesterone oil on tempes and hairline. (olive oil because progesterone oil is very thick due to the high vitamin e content).
Been on this for 2 days now. I am really confident in this approach. Also it is awesome... makes you feel soooo relaxed after you take it. Kills stress. Take it before sleep, because it may make you wanna goto sleep, that's what it does for me, but probably because I was tired anyway and it just relaxed me so much.
There's a LOT of benefits to taking this guys, I urge you to try it with me. I have a great feeling about this.
I bought 2 more bottles last night as well. Gonna try this approach long term and see how it goes. who's gonna try it with me?
INFO:
PROGESTERONE INFORMATION
Raymond Peat, MA, PhD (Univ. of Oregon)
Endocrine Physiologist, specializing in hormonal changes in stress and aging
Sixty years ago, progesterone was found to be the main hormone produced by the ovaries. Since it was necessary for fertility and for maintaining a healthy pregnancy, it was called the "pro-gestational hormone," and its name sometimes leads people to think that it isn't needed when you don't want to get pregnant. In fact, it is the most protective hormone the body produces, and the large amounts that are produced during pregnancy result from the developing baby's need for protection from the stressful environment. Normally, the brain contains a very high concentration of progesterone, reflecting its protective function for that most important organ. The thymus gland, the key organ of our immune system, is also profoundly dependent on progesterone.
In experiments, progesterone was found to be the basic hormone of adaptation and of resistance to stress. The adrenal glands use it to produce their anti-stress hormones, and when there is enough progesterone, they don't have to produce the potentially harmful cortisone. In a progesterone deficiency, we produce too much cortisone, and excessive cortisone causes osteoporosis, aging of the skin, damage to brain cells, and the accumulation of fat, especially on the back and abdomen.
Experiments have shown that progesterone relieves anxiety, improves memory, protects brain cells, and even prevents epileptic seizures. It promotes respiration, and has been used to correct emphysema. In the circulatory system, it prevents bulging veins by increasing the tone of blood vessels, and improves the efficiency of the heart. It reverses many of the signs of aging in the skin, and promotes healthy bone growth. It can relieve many types of arthritis, and helps a variety of immunological problems.
If progesterone is taken dissolved in vitamin E, it is absorbed very efficiently, and distributed quickly to all of the tissues. If a woman has ovaries, progesterone helps them to produce both progesterone and estrogen as needed, and also helps to restore normal functioning of the thyroid and other glands. If her ovaries have been removed, progesterone should be taken consistently to replace the lost supply. A progesterone deficiency has often been associated with increased susceptibility to cancer, and progesterone has been used to treat some types of cancer.
It is important to emphasize that progesterone is not just the hormone of pregnancy. To use it only "to protect the uterus" would be like telling a man he doesn't need testosterone if he doesn't plan to father children, except that progesterone is of far greater and more basic significance than testosterone. While men do naturally produce progesterone, and can sometimes benefit from using it, it is not a male hormone. Some people get that impression, because some physicians recommend combining estrogen with either testosterone or progesterone, to protect against some of estrogen's side effects, but progesterone is the body's natural complement to estrogen. Used alone, progesterone often makes it unnecessary to use estrogen for hot flashes or insomnia, or other symptoms of menopause.
When dissolved in vitamin E, progesterone begins entering the blood stream almost as soon as it contacts any membrane, such as the lips, tongue, gums, or palate, but when it is swallowed, it continues to be absorbed as part of the digestive process. When taken with food, its absorption occurs at the same rate as the digestion and absorption of the food.
---
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/three-hormones.shtml
"
On other benefits of natural progesterone
We know that progesterone gives you more energy, we know that progesterone allows you to have better sleep. We know that progesterone allows you to concentrate and focus mentally on things so that you are not affected by peripheral stimuli. We know that progesterone helps digestion of food. We know that it helps the thyroid, we know that it helps energy, we know that it helps the skin; it hydrates the skin-it is a wonderful moisturizer for the skin. We know that it is a natural diuredic. There are studies showing that estrogen is related to auto immune disorders. And now we know, with certainty, that estrogen is the promoter for breast cancer as well as endometrial cancer and in both of those cases, progesterone serves to block that."
http://peatarian.com/14958/has-anyone-read-this-peat-quote-about-progesterone-hair-loss
That was a good read mike I'm very interested in this, I might see how you get on with it first haha but please keep me up to date with the effects and any side effects
Just read this on another forum. Any thoughts on this guys not heard this one before.
Joe I agree completely, and sorry I left out that detail. Yes, it is mega-dosing, and I realized it for the same reason, for fighting acne. I was also taking an initial dose of 10grams a day for a month, then 5grams a day for another 4-5 months. It helped the acne like no other, but I noticed my hair quality and quantity was reducing dramatically. As for the relationship between the B5, adrenals, and DHEA, it requires some research. But to make a long story short, the B5 gets the adrenals "pumping" and producing more DHEA in our bodies, and we all know DHEA is trouble for our hair. I encourage anyone who is interested to do some research on the web for themselves and piece it all together, I'm not hiding anything (As another hairloss forum accused me of) I just want you to see for yourself to get a better understanding. It's no cure, just a little something helpful.