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Just wanted to bump this thread as I've been looking into the adrenals and possible hormone imbalance as a contributor to my symptoms too. Would it be worth seeing a doctor for an adrenal test / estrogen to progesterone test? I was tested for PCOS and everything came back fine but I have many symptoms of hormonal imbalance. Adrenals are key I believe because they are in charge of converting all of our hormones in the first place. I read an article saying adrenal fatigue is helped by consuming saturated fat so that is one of the first things I have to up. Converting to paleo from vegetarian after 11 years has been hard but not impossible.
Funny this came up Ive been looking into adrenal fatigue lately, I read the symptoms and couldn't believe I matched up with everyone but weight problems. Cold hands/feet, low body temp, fatigue in the middle of the day, dry skin/scalp. Ive been taking hemp oil for the GLA and it has helped but not as much as Id like, Ive been reading about licorice that is suppose to be great for adrenals and low thyroid.
Im very suprirsed adrenal fatigue isnt talked about on these forums that much, they are what regulate our hormones in our body, it makes perfect sense people who have hormonal acne most likely have adrenal fatigue and/or low thyroid.
OK, forgive me if something similar has been posted here lately... I've read so many things, I don't remember. I'm sure this has been mentioned among all the DIM threads...
ANYWAY, I didn't realize 'til just now how crucial proper adrenal function is to having balanced hormones. As I'd much rather get to the root of my problems than rely on any supplement long-term, I'm going to work on restoring my adrenal function.
It seems like getting to sleep early is one of the most crucial things, as well as decreasing stress.
I just read this and I can't believe how much of it applies to me!
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Common Causes Of Adrenal Stress
Anger
Fear
Worry/anxiety
Depression
Guilt
Overwork/physical or mental strain
Excessive exercise
Sleep deprivation
Light-cycle disruption
Going to sleep late)
Surgery
Trauma/injury
Chronic inflammation
Chronic infection
Chronic pain
Temperature extremes
Toxic exposure
Malabsorption
Maldigestion
Chronic illness
Chronic-severe allergies
Hypogycemia
Nutritional deficiencies
Associated Symptoms And Consequences Of Impaired Adrenals
Low body temperature
Weakness
Unexplained hair loss
Nervousness
Difficulty building muscle
Irritability
Mental depression
Difficulty gaining weight
Apprehension
Hypoglycemia
Inability to concentrate
Excessive hunger
Tendency towards inflammation
Moments of confusion
Indigestion
Poor memory
Feelings of frustration
Alternating diarrhea and constipation
Osteoporosis
auto-immune hepatitis
auto-immune diseases
Lightheadedness
Palpitations [heart fluttering]
Dizziness that occurs upon standing
Poor resistance to infections
Low blood pressure
Insomnia
Food and/or inhalant allergies
PMS
Craving for sweets
Dry and thin skin
Headaches
Scanty perspiration
Alcohol intolerance
http://articles.merc...7/adrenals.aspx
Also interesting:
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Estrogen Dominance. Today, women often have exhausted adrenal glands by the time they reach their mid-thirties or early forties due to a stressful lifestyle. Stress is regulated by our adrenal glands primarily. In early stages of adrenal fatigue, cortisol output is high as the body attempts to neutralize the stress by producing more of it. However, when too much cortisol is produced, it will have multiple undesirable effects. For example, cortisol blocks progesterone receptors, making them less responsive to progesterone. Progesterone normally produced by the adrenals comes to a halt in favor of cortisol. Insufficient progesterone production leads to an imbalance of estrogen to progesterone.
Adrenal normalization should precede hormone modulation. The adrenal glands deal with the daily stresses of life. A woman must normalize her adrenal glands in order to have a total body hormonal balance. In fact, replacement of deficient hormones alone without addressing the overall health of the adrenal gland is a band-aid approach and often ineffective in the long run. The normalization process can begin with investigating and eliminating stressors. Stressors are often chronic in nature, and can be related to lifestyle, dietary, mental, and inflammatory causes.
http://www.drlam.com...nal_fatigue.cfm
^ That whole page is great to read. It gives a lot of recommendations for restoring adrenal function.
Those causes and symptoms are so vague it would apply to nearly anyone at any given time. This is the same as the "shotgunning" technique used by so-called psychic mediums to fool people into thinking said psychic knows more than he/she does.
"Estrogen dominance" is confusing and nonsensical. There are different levels of estrogen and progesterone at certain phases of the menstrual cycle -- within the first 15 days of the cycle estrogen is higher than progresterone. So does "estrogen dominance" mean that it's higher than progesterone 24/7? Does that include women on birth control? What about the women's age? Are the references for estrogen and progesterone much higher/lower than this chart? Suspiciously there's no actual hormone test to determine "estrogen dominance": only a set of very vague symptoms.
Edit: grammar correction.
I think the biggest symptom in determining adrenal fatigue is low blood pressure. I literally almost black out when I get up too fast and that is not normal. But you are right, the list is vague and for hypochondriacs like myself you can begin to think everything is wrong with your body! But there is a definite connection between the adrenals and acne because there is a connection between hormone production and acne. The key I guess is to eat a healthy diet and de-stress - because with that you are going to solve most health problems or hormonal imbalances. Following a diet like the paleo diet is the way to go. Flax seeds are helping me balance my hormones though - I have no idea what imbalance I have but I'm no longer suffering from cramps or pms symptoms and they are helping my skin. They are not for everyone though, for some people they break them out.
I'm curious if you can have adrenal fatigue but normal thyroid?
Here is an interesting article on adrenal health too: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/treat1.php
I think the biggest symptom in determining adrenal fatigue is low blood pressure. I literally almost black out when I get up too fast and that is not normal. But you are right, the list is vague and for hypochondriacs like myself you can begin to think everything is wrong with your body! But there is a definite connection between the adrenals and acne because there is a connection between hormone production and acne. The key I guess is to eat a healthy diet and de-stress - because with that you are going to solve most health problems or hormonal imbalances. Following a diet like the paleo diet is the way to go. Flax seeds are helping me balance my hormones though - I have no idea what imbalance I have but I'm no longer suffering from cramps or pms symptoms and they are helping my skin. They are not for everyone though, for some people they break them out.
I'm curious if you can have adrenal fatigue but normal thyroid?
Here is an interesting article on adrenal health too: http://www.healingna...cles/treat1.php
"Adrenal fatigue" is also nonsense. Like "estrogen dominance", "adrenal fatigue" relies on a bunch of nonspecific symptoms with no hormonal test. Adrenal insufficiency, however, is real.
What? Who says, you? There are plenty of doctors and scientists who say adrenal fatigue is real. Also plenty of conventional doctors who say it isn't because they haven't learned about it, no shock there as they are only taught what the big phram companies want them to know. This is a great book for anyone who wants to learn:
What? Who says, you? There are plenty of doctors and scientists who say adrenal fatigue is real. Also plenty of conventional doctors who say it isn't because they haven't learned about it, no shock there as they are only taught what the big phram companies want them to know. This is a great book for anyone who wants to learn:
http://www.amazon.co...adrenal fatigue
I am not the "only" one who's "saying it." I've linked to Mayoclinic, after all.
Plenty? As in the majority of the medical community? Also how do you know those so-called doctors and scientists are even credible?
"Adrenal fatigue" is highly suspicious -- there are no hormonal tests involved and is based entirely off of nonspecific symptoms that anyone could have at any given time. Having a deficiency of hormones, minerals, etc. means that it is measurable and therefore detectable -- yet somehow it isn't? That is inherently contradictory.
"The Big Pharma companies don't want people to know about XYZ" is commonly used to isolate people away from skeptics and bring them into the state of mind where they are likely to buy treatment X. If you think about it it's complete nonsense, as it assumes that most of the scientists/doctors/researchers/marketers, etc. have no compassion for everyone else and it contradicts the business model -- if profit was the only thing that mattered 100% of the time like you're implying then the companies would recognize the "diagnosis", buy out the competitors and profit from the treatments instead of spending to suppress it and not obtaining profits (only higher expenses).
Edit: grammar
Mayoclinic is a very pharm textbook based site.
Adrenal fatigue aren't just vague symptoms.. now I could see candida being highly suspicious as it lists everything under the sun but Adrenal fatigues main symptoms from several lists Ive read are low body temp/intolerance to cold weather, chronic fatigue, brain fog/trouble concentrating, cold hands/feet poor blood circulation, dry skin/hair loss.
These aren't talking about once in a while, it's everyday. Yeah some people feel some of these here and there, but for most people not everyday.
Mayoclinic is a very pharm textbook based site.
Adrenal fatigue aren't just vague symptoms.. now I could see candida being highly suspicious as it lists everything under the sun but Adrenal fatigues main symptoms from several lists Ive read are low body temp/intolerance to cold weather, chronic fatigue, brain fog/trouble concentrating, cold hands/feet poor blood circulation, dry skin/hair loss.
These aren't talking about once in a while, it's everyday. Yeah some people feel some of these here and there, but for most people not everyday.
The symptoms are still vague.
List of supposed symptoms of "adrenal fatigue":
-Difficulty concentrating: caused by depression, head injury, ADHD, bipolar disorder, hypoglycemia, sleepiness
-Dry skin (it doesn't specify where on the body): caused by excessive exfoliation/rubbing, contact dermatitis, topicals (especially retinoids, chemical peels and laser resurfacing), atopic dermatitis, rosacea, seborrheic dermatitis, sunburn, hypothyrodism, wind burn, sun damage, old age/postmenopause, misuse of moisturizers
-Intolerance to cold weather (this is mostly subjective; if there is a true intolerance a doctor would be able to pick this up): also caused by hypothyrodism, anemia, anorexia, Raynaud's phenomenon, diabetes medication
-Hair loss: cancer, arthritis and high blood pressure medications, lupus, old age, alopecia areata, hypothyrodism, ring worm (and other infections in the hair), excessive irritation/pulling, normal shedding of hair
-Chronic fatigue: depression, stress, anemia, obesity, pregnancy, various medications including antivirials, somatoform disorders, liver failure, hypothyrodism, hyperthyrodism, kidney failure. . .
Do you see how vague this is? Also, other "adrenal fatigue" websites/books do not specify how severe the symptoms are and it's location on the body and very rarely show pictures of the supposed symptoms. They're pretty much just lists, which anyone could self-diagnose (usually not a good idea to do that and treat it on your own). A majority of these symptoms came off the top of my head and I didn't even try that hard and it's probably including a small percentage of diseases.
Being a "textbook based" website isn't bad if it comes from strongly established, credible resources.
haha yeah I dunno it's hard to even know what's credible from pharms these days.. messed up but really their main concern is not helping people as sad as it is, it's major corporations out for their own interests for the most part. I also see what your saying Michelle, you have your point, it is interesting how adrenal fatigue if it is true and hypothyroid are very close in symptoms, as things Ive read say they go hand in hand. But that adrenal imbalance is what causes thyroid problems, so you need to fix adrenal problems first.
Whether or not its "fatigue" or whatever name ya wanna give it, I think we can agree adrenal imbalance does exist, as even the big pharm companies say does exist. And this adrenal imbalance I believe is the reason for many peoples acne that is considered homronal, along the chin/mouth area. I have been taking carlson fish oil now for about a month and just started taking hemp oil which has 500mg GLA in every TBL pretty remarkable, and I am so happy with the results. Havent had a break out in a while, everything has been great only thing I still battle is dry skin and intolerance to cold, I get hilariously cold even below 50 degrees, also have had cold/hands and feet ever since I can remember. My hands get purple, barney purple lol.
I just bought licorice and just started today so Im gonna see if there is any results.
Mayoclinic sucks...they recommend many things, not unlike many Western med sources, that don't help certain ailments or make them worse. In addition- they deny certain things exist- like leaky gut, for example. Adrenal fatigue makes perfect scientific sense
Yes, there are various crippling diseases out there, many of them with no real cure, but what other better evidence-based (meaning not solely based on testimonials) alternative is there?
"Leaky gut" is not a medically accepted diagnosis because it hasn't been definitively proven to exist. That phrase has been thrown around on the Internet for a while especially by non-medical laymen who have no clue about the specific mechanisms of how the intestines operate, let alone the diseases. Again, "leaky gut" involves a vague set of symptoms that are credible to laymen. It's absolutely unethical for people to claim that people have "leaky guts" as a fact and especially recommend unproven treatments for it when they know it's nothing but conjecture.
"Adrenal fatigue" does not make "perfect scientific sense" when the basis of the disease contradicts itself. Proponents claim that "adrenal fatigue" is measurable (quantifiable), yet blood tests can't detect it.
haha yeah I dunno it's hard to even know what's credible from pharms these days.. messed up but really their main concern is not helping people as sad as it is, it's major corporations out for their own interests for the most part. I also see what your saying Michelle, you have your point, it is interesting how adrenal fatigue if it is true and hypothyroid are very close in symptoms, as things Ive read say they go hand in hand. But that adrenal imbalance is what causes thyroid problems, so you need to fix adrenal problems first.
Whether or not its "fatigue" or whatever name ya wanna give it, I think we can agree adrenal imbalance does exist, as even the big pharm companies say does exist. And this adrenal imbalance I believe is the reason for many peoples acne that is considered homronal, along the chin/mouth area. I have been taking carlson fish oil now for about a month and just started taking hemp oil which has 500mg GLA in every TBL pretty remarkable, and I am so happy with the results. Havent had a break out in a while, everything has been great only thing I still battle is dry skin and intolerance to cold, I get hilariously cold even below 50 degrees, also have had cold/hands and feet ever since I can remember. My hands get purple, barney purple lol.
I just bought licorice and just started today so Im gonna see if there is any results.
Yes, sometimes some pharmaceutical companies can pull dirty tricks, like stretching the off-label laws and going so far as to create fake medical journals. However, this does not happen 100% of the time and people usually go into the medical field because they have compassion for others.
As I've said before, it's fine as long as pharmaceutical companies fund research if they have high-quality research and disclose their source of funding. It is possible for pharmaceutical companies to do that, as prescriptions/drugs have been proven to work and are part of standard care due to some of this research like statins.
While I'm glad your acne has subsided at least somewhat, I'm still concerned about your supplementation. I generally don't like supplements because they're often not proved for diseases and we really don't know what exactly is in the supplement that could be a potential hazard (bacterial, fungal, lead and mercury contamination, etc.) If your hands get that purple I'd advise you to see a doctor on that.
Mayoclinic sucks...they recommend many things, not unlike many Western med sources, that don't help certain ailments or make them worse. In addition- they deny certain things exist- like leaky gut, for example. Adrenal fatigue makes perfect scientific sense
Yes, there are various crippling diseases out there, many of them with no real cure, but what other better evidence-based (meaning not solely based on testimonials) alternative is there?
"Leaky gut" is not a medically accepted diagnosis because it hasn't been definitively proven to exist. That phrase has been thrown around on the Internet for a while especially by non-medical laymen who have no clue about the specific mechanisms of how the intestines operate, let alone the diseases. Again, "leaky gut" involves a vague set of symptoms that are credible to laymen. It's absolutely unethical for people to claim that people have "leaky guts" as a fact and especially recommend unproven treatments for it when they know it's nothing but conjecture.
"Adrenal fatigue" does not make "perfect scientific sense" when the basis of the disease contradicts itself. Proponents claim that "adrenal fatigue" is measurable (quantifiable), yet blood tests can't detect it.
haha yeah I dunno it's hard to even know what's credible from pharms these days.. messed up but really their main concern is not helping people as sad as it is, it's major corporations out for their own interests for the most part. I also see what your saying Michelle, you have your point, it is interesting how adrenal fatigue if it is true and hypothyroid are very close in symptoms, as things Ive read say they go hand in hand. But that adrenal imbalance is what causes thyroid problems, so you need to fix adrenal problems first.
Whether or not its "fatigue" or whatever name ya wanna give it, I think we can agree adrenal imbalance does exist, as even the big pharm companies say does exist. And this adrenal imbalance I believe is the reason for many peoples acne that is considered homronal, along the chin/mouth area. I have been taking carlson fish oil now for about a month and just started taking hemp oil which has 500mg GLA in every TBL pretty remarkable, and I am so happy with the results. Havent had a break out in a while, everything has been great only thing I still battle is dry skin and intolerance to cold, I get hilariously cold even below 50 degrees, also have had cold/hands and feet ever since I can remember. My hands get purple, barney purple lol.
I just bought licorice and just started today so Im gonna see if there is any results.
Yes, sometimes some pharmaceutical companies can pull dirty tricks, like stretching the off-label laws and going so far as to create fake medical journals. However, this does not happen 100% of the time and people usually go into the medical field because they have compassion for others.
As I've said before, it's fine as long as pharmaceutical companies fund research if they have high-quality research and disclose their source of funding. It is possible for pharmaceutical companies to do that, as prescriptions/drugs have been proven to work and are part of standard care due to some of this research like statins.
While I'm glad your acne has subsided at least somewhat, I'm still concerned about your supplementation. I generally don't like supplements because they're often not proved for diseases and we really don't know what exactly is in the supplement that could be a potential hazard (bacterial, fungal, lead and mercury contamination, etc.) If your hands get that purple I'd advise you to see a doctor on that.
Can I kindly ask what you're doing posting in the nutritional and holistic health forum most of the time? I see your posts here a lot...most of them supporting not alternative and holistic methods, but the very Western style stuff we are all trying to get away from when we come to these threads. I don't doubt your intelligence- but I simply don't understand why you come to this section of the site, debunking and shooting down our beautiful (yes, indeed, its a lost art) holistic remedies and our lost (lost by most of the Western world) knowledge.
Can I kindly ask what you're doing posting in the nutritional and holistic health forum most of the time? I see your posts here a lot...most of them supporting not alternative and holistic methods, but the very Western style stuff we are all trying to get away from when we come to these threads. I don't doubt your intelligence- but I simply don't understand why you come to this section of the site, debunking and shooting down our beautiful (yes, indeed, its a lost art) holistic remedies and our lost (lost by most of the Western world) knowledge.
Perhaps because these "beautiful holistic remedies" and "lost knowledge" (both of which aren't true per se) are more often than not based on bogus "science"? Or because several members are giving already desperate people false hope (intentionally or not), even telling them that all pharmaceuticals and doctors are scams (a potentially dangerous claim)? I'm glad we finally have a level-headed person here who doesn't fall for every latest quack fad (for some of you: that word wasn't invented by "Big Pharma", it has existed for at least 4 centuries now to describe...well...quacks). If adrenal fatigue does exist, then why don't these doctors come up with some real proof? They say it can easily be detected, yet even a blood test can't? Guess it's easier to write a book about it and sell it than to provide us with solid scientific evidence. But wait...why are these concerned doctors even selling books and their own supplements? Guess they're not much better than the evil pharmaceuticals and real doctors, after all.
Mayoclinic sucks...they recommend many things, not unlike many Western med sources, that don't help certain ailments or make them worse. In addition- they deny certain things exist- like leaky gut, for example. Adrenal fatigue makes perfect scientific sense
Yes, there are various crippling diseases out there, many of them with no real cure, but what other better evidence-based (meaning not solely based on testimonials) alternative is there?
"Leaky gut" is not a medically accepted diagnosis because it hasn't been definitively proven to exist. That phrase has been thrown around on the Internet for a while especially by non-medical laymen who have no clue about the specific mechanisms of how the intestines operate, let alone the diseases. Again, "leaky gut" involves a vague set of symptoms that are credible to laymen. It's absolutely unethical for people to claim that people have "leaky guts" as a fact and especially recommend unproven treatments for it when they know it's nothing but conjecture.
"Adrenal fatigue" does not make "perfect scientific sense" when the basis of the disease contradicts itself. Proponents claim that "adrenal fatigue" is measurable (quantifiable), yet blood tests can't detect it.
haha yeah I dunno it's hard to even know what's credible from pharms these days.. messed up but really their main concern is not helping people as sad as it is, it's major corporations out for their own interests for the most part. I also see what your saying Michelle, you have your point, it is interesting how adrenal fatigue if it is true and hypothyroid are very close in symptoms, as things Ive read say they go hand in hand. But that adrenal imbalance is what causes thyroid problems, so you need to fix adrenal problems first.
Whether or not its "fatigue" or whatever name ya wanna give it, I think we can agree adrenal imbalance does exist, as even the big pharm companies say does exist. And this adrenal imbalance I believe is the reason for many peoples acne that is considered homronal, along the chin/mouth area. I have been taking carlson fish oil now for about a month and just started taking hemp oil which has 500mg GLA in every TBL pretty remarkable, and I am so happy with the results. Havent had a break out in a while, everything has been great only thing I still battle is dry skin and intolerance to cold, I get hilariously cold even below 50 degrees, also have had cold/hands and feet ever since I can remember. My hands get purple, barney purple lol.
I just bought licorice and just started today so Im gonna see if there is any results.
Yes, sometimes some pharmaceutical companies can pull dirty tricks, like stretching the off-label laws and going so far as to create fake medical journals. However, this does not happen 100% of the time and people usually go into the medical field because they have compassion for others.
As I've said before, it's fine as long as pharmaceutical companies fund research if they have high-quality research and disclose their source of funding. It is possible for pharmaceutical companies to do that, as prescriptions/drugs have been proven to work and are part of standard care due to some of this research like statins.
While I'm glad your acne has subsided at least somewhat, I'm still concerned about your supplementation. I generally don't like supplements because they're often not proved for diseases and we really don't know what exactly is in the supplement that could be a potential hazard (bacterial, fungal, lead and mercury contamination, etc.) If your hands get that purple I'd advise you to see a doctor on that.
Can I kindly ask what you're doing posting in the nutritional and holistic health forum most of the time? I see your posts here a lot...most of them supporting not alternative and holistic methods, but the very Western style stuff we are all trying to get away from when we come to these threads. I don't doubt your intelligence- but I simply don't understand why you come to this section of the site, debunking and shooting down our beautiful (yes, indeed, its a lost art) holistic remedies and our lost (lost by most of the Western world) knowledge.
Because pseudoscience and unproven remedies are usually being promoted in these forums.
I don't want anyone to be scammed or get hurt from these so-called remedies. When I was 15, I followed terrible advice from a magazine and applied excessive BP and an alcoholic toner and shortly thereafter I nearly got ripped off from buying homeopathic tablets to "cure" my acne. I assumed "homeopathic" meant natural/herbal, and just before I bought it I Google'd it to see what it meant. Homeopathy was anything but "natural" and the worst quackery there was. I started reading more science and took college classes a few years after that, which expanded my knowledge and greatly sharpened by critical thinking skills.
Oh yes, the alternative and holistic route can look "beautiful." Marketers skillfully portray the colorful mental image of the oneness with nature, and living the simple yet exotic lives of ancient folk picking medicinal herbs from forests and giving them to an ailing boy who recovers guided by the elders' wisdom. That may not be the exact picture that's conjured up, but nevertheless they'll give alternative medicine practitioners a warm, fuzzy feeling when they consume herbal supplements and think they are a part of an "enlightened" group. Getting into that kind of lifestyle and thinking would be quite addicting and probably difficult to stop -- especially when people don't like to admit they were wrong.
Reality isn't always nice. There are very few cures to diseases and several treatments that can cause unpleasant and sometimes nasty side effects. Good science is slow and meticulous -- progress drags on for decades after intense trial and error. But people want simple answers and fast solutions. This is where the "holistic medicine" charlatans step in, soothing desperate and anxious patients with unproven and hazy "cures" that makes them feel better for a bit until they meet skeptics or their happiness fades. If mainstream medicine fails to provide suffering patients the treatments they desire, they go into the unproven, highly speculative and often contradictory world of "holistic" medicine -- with salesmen there to exploit them.
Undoubtedly, SOME holistic 'cures' are nonsense. However, it's a real shame that people think this way. I just don't understand why you come on this site specifically to refute integrative medicine. I feel sorry for all the people that rely solely on Western medicine alone, especially for "prevention." The only way I would ever visit a Doctor would be for treatment, never prevention. I hope you all enjoy your wonderfully non healthy food pyramid consuming lots of "healthy" grains and dairy daily- and I equally hope you enjoy being dependent on your prescription medications, or worse, becoming a ward of the state, for ailments that could have been prevented or remedied far in advance through diet and holistic medicine. Also, I foresee the future integrating more and more Eastern, ayurvedic, holistic and alternative medicine into the mainstream...with more and more supporting science being published on it as the years draw on. All of us have our own ways of believing how to care for our bodies, please respect ours. Take care!
I also don't think it is fair to say that everyone here is buying into the latest holistic fad to cure themselves of acne. There is such a depth of information here that no doubt does help people conquer acne through diet and lifestyle. I knew nothing of nutrition until I started reading posts here and expanding my knowledge. I went from vegetarian to paleo - from living off grains to living off fat. This has helped my life, let alone my face, in so many ways and I know I'm not the only one!
You also don't have to be able to qualify why everything works through science. I never get sick because I take oil of oregano which strengthens my immune system - when I asked my doctor about this he told me oil of oregano is useless. That is bullshit. The fact is that doctors are schooled and trained by the pharmaceutical companies and this can't be ignored. Do they want to do harm? Of course not! But dying from a doctors hands is the third leading cause of death in the United States. I can find a source for that if you like. The point I guess I'm trying to make is take EVERYTHING with a grain of salt and always do your own research! Be an advocate of your own health. I don't think anyone should be called a quack for seeking answers to their problems through researching natural methods. That is just ignorant. Ask yourself this - did anyone ever get sick from a lack of drugs? The body naturally wants to heal itself we just have to give it the tools to do so. Maybe we also shouldn't ignore the weight our own thoughts have on our reality, stress level and ultimately our body.
That's my rant for the day.
Also, adrenal fatigue is real. Someone doesn't just go straight into having Addinsons disease, it takes time to wear the adrenals down. How do you help the adrenals? Eat tons of fat, cut grains and sugar and do not let any stress into your life. Hmm sounds like the solution to most problems of the body, no? Real food is medicine and healing holisitcaly focuses on healing the whole body, not just treating the symptoms with medications.
Yes many people are very gullible, and will buy into almost anything someone with a calm confident voice tells them. It's obvious in the amount of people still believing Obama's lies. There is definitely holistic companies out to make a buck just like pharm's, but for people who are actually educated and experienced we know a healthy lifestyle does not include taking a bunch of supplements. It's means health whole nutrient dense diet first and foremost. Good exercise and sleep, and then after that take what supplements you need to the minimal amount. For me that's B5, Zinc, Fish OIl and digestive enzymes. I have literally studied hundreds of hours in the past on all and am well informed, Im not a clueless person just putting in random supplements hoping for the best. Ive met several doctors who I was teaching diet and supplements to because they didn't know.
Organic farming and the holistic lifestyle are both persuaded against in Western medical school that is fact. The US government has done everything in its power to kill organic farming, Ive worked on organic farms myself have talked to farmers that have been farming for over 50 years who have watched the demise of organic farming.
Having blind faith in your doctor is far, far worse then educating yourself and doing your own research on what is right for yourself. I regret listening blindly when I was a teenager and going through endless rounds of anti-biotics, look how many people are completely fucked in this world from the psychosis drugs being handed out like candy, all the latest mass murders were all on prescription meds that literally make you go mad. Kids starting out at 12 years old are getting on these drugs and its becoming an epidemic, destroying the mind. How many people go to the doc with a little pain and are handed Oxycontin, which is nothing more then heroin melted down and added with a few ingredients to make a pill. Kids are melting them and shooting them up all over the country, we have 10x the amount of OD's off prescription drugs in america then illegal drugs. Educate yourself, question authority.
Doctors have proven to me time and time again that they know pretty much nothing. If you'd been completely failed by conventional medicine, you would turn to holistic medicine too.
Marketers skillfully portray the colorful mental image of the oneness with nature, and living the simple yet exotic lives of ancient folk picking medicinal herbs from forests and giving them to an ailing boy who recovers guided by the elders' wisdom.
Doctors have proven to me time and time again that they know pretty much nothing. If you'd been completely failed by conventional medicine, you would turn to holistic medicine too.
Marketers skillfully portray the colorful mental image of the oneness with nature, and living the simple yet exotic lives of ancient folk picking medicinal herbs from forests and giving them to an ailing boy who recovers guided by the elders' wisdom.Who is marketing anything? Most of what we talk about here is diet. No one is selling a certain type of diet. Who is marketing Paleo, the meat companies?
Haha, yes. The GRASS FED meat companies...aka, the small farmers...from small towns...who bust their butts to earn pennies. Indeeeeed.
Undoubtedly, SOME holistic 'cures' are nonsense. However, it's a real shame that people think this way. I just don't understand why you come on this site specifically to refute integrative medicine. I feel sorry for all the people that rely solely on Western medicine alone, especially for "prevention." The only way I would ever visit a Doctor would be for treatment, never prevention. I hope you all enjoy your wonderfully non healthy food pyramid consuming lots of "healthy" grains and dairy daily- and I equally hope you enjoy being dependent on your prescription medications, or worse, becoming a ward of the state, for ailments that could have been prevented or remedied far in advance through diet and holistic medicine. Also, I foresee the future integrating more and more Eastern, ayurvedic, holistic and alternative medicine into the mainstream...with more and more supporting science being published on it as the years draw on. All of us have our own ways of believing how to care for our bodies, please respect ours. Take care!
Integrative medicine is also brilliant in marketing -- when people take an effective medication with a placebo, then some may attribute the placebo as effective. I have come on to this site because I know some unscrupulous marketers would take advantage of clearly suffering people and give them false hopes.
"Holistic medicine" is nonsense and near meaningless. Good doctors won't prescribe any drug willy-nilly -- if you have a spreading infection on the leg, doctors won't prescribe anti-inflammatory pills and send you on your way. They take a culture to determine the bacteria and what antibiotics they should use, depending if you are allergic to some and the other drugs you may be taking. They'll ask you how you got it (like scraping your leg), and if you don't know how, they'll try to figure a way so to prevent it again. They take everything into consideration and you'll see more doctors nowadays asking people what supplements they take (though some people don't want to admit it or don't bring it up).
You wrote that "you feel sorry for all the people relying on Western medicine", yet you scornfully remarked, "I hope you all enjoy your wonderfully non healthy food pyramid consuming lots of "healthy" grains and dairy daily- and I equally hope you enjoy being dependent on your prescription medications, or worse, becoming a ward of the state, for ailments that could have been prevented or remedied far in advance through diet and holistic medicine". If you really felt sorry, you wouldn't have been so snide.
"More and more supporting science"? Yes, bad science. Bad science that skews with P-values, overstating effectiveness, riddled with investigator bias and doing small, open-label studies and doing science by press conference instead of going under peer-review and intense scrutiny in a high-quality medical journal. It's much easier and cheaper doing a test tube study and claiming that an exotic herb cures Alzheimer's than conducting a large randomized, double blind and placebo-controlled study in humans. People claim about pharmaceutical companies making products and profits, but what about those that sell vitamins and herbs?
Well I would agree with you if you're talking about weird herbal "cures" and things like that. I guess that just isn't what I think about when I think "holistic medicine." I am talking about things like yoga, diet, meditation, exercise. Avoiding irritating or inflammatory foods like gluten, soy, or too much grains and dairy. Things that have and are continuing to be proven to help our health.