1.5 Years Dermaneedling Update - 13 Sessions

[f93d 200]

Before pictures taken in Feb 2014, after pictures Aug 2015.

13 sessions @ 2.0 mm, standard needling sessions ( 2 days downtime, 7 days moderate/mild redness) spaced ~ 0.8 - 1.5 months apart. Used copper peptides, green cream, or BHA for topicals.

Hope this helps some decide whether or not needling is a good idea. The last time I needled was in March, and I no longer plan to skin needle again.

[Factoid 64]

They definitely seem to have softened up, which is good, it means what you are doing IS working, albeit slowly. If you had combined that with something like subcision or CROSS you would have likely had even better results, combining therapies seems to be the key.

Were you rolling or stamping?

[Perservering 24]

Thanks for doing this.

[lukii 4]

Doesn't dermaroller/dermastamp work only on rolling scars.?

[FortunesHill 22]

Hope this helps some decide whether or not needling is a good idea. The last time I needled was in March, and I no longer plan to skin needle again.

You said that you no longer plan to needle anymore, is this because you feel you have achieved the results you wanted, or you feel it is not doing much good?

I'm curious to know what you think of the results yourself, maybe they look a little different in real, but I just don't feel things have changed much in the before/after photos. I am sorry if you didn't want comments on this.. but I think it's sometimes good for some honest advice.

Have you considered other treatments such as laser & subcision?

[solecalibur 0]

all of this stuff is useless, there are records of this stuff of many many many years on this site and else, it all have been useless af

[Factoid 64]

It most certainly is not useless, there have been dozens of clinical studies done over the past decade that ALL show that skin needling can and does yield impressive gains when performed properly, consistently and with the correct post-operative care. And when you combine it with other effective modalities the amount of improvement is even more dramatic. Anybody who claims otherwise is either ignorant of the research or is trolling.

[Robertitoo 311]

Would you have thrown in a couple of subcisions and results would have been superior. Not bad though

[f93d 200]

Were you rolling or stamping?

Used a variation of the dermapen, 2 stamps per second with 10 needles - product is no longer for sale.

Doesn't dermaroller/dermastamp work only on rolling scars.?

It's marketed for treating all types of scarring and anti-aging.

all of this stuff is useless, there are records of this stuff of many many many years on this site and else, it all have been useless af

Not a bad conclusion, but I respectfully disagree.

Would you have thrown in a couple of subcisions and results would have been superior. Not bad though

That's the current plan.

Hope this helps some decide whether or not needling is a good idea. The last time I needled was in March, and I no longer plan to skin needle again.

You said that you no longer plan to needle anymore, is this because you feel you have achieved the results you wanted, or you feel it is not doing much good?

I'm curious to know what you think of the results yourself, maybe they look a little different in real, but I just don't feel things have changed much in the before/after photos. I am sorry if you didn't want comments on this.. but I think it's sometimes good for some honest advice.

Have you considered other treatments such as laser & subcision?

In terms of overall improvement, it improved. In terms of overall outlook, the scars are still there, and (some) people still purposely look away or stare at my skin out of curiosity. I'm very thankful for friends who couldn't care less, and believe it or not, the people who never notice it.

Am I happy with it? .. it's alright. If you look at the creased scarring from the before pictures, that's gone.

I stopped needling initially because I wanted to let collagen build for several months. Next, the acne scarring specialist I met in Los Angeles (who also does needling) mentioned its impact on my skin would be nil.

Currently I'm using CoolTouch every 2 weeks and will be doing a Mixto/Subcision next month.

Edited August 14, 2015 by f93d

[Factoid 64]

Used a variation of the dermapen, 2 stamps per second with 10 needles - product is no longer for sale.

One of those Chinese ones? I bought one of those a few years back when they first came out, threw the damn thing away, it was too underpowered to work efficiently.

I'm still skeptical of all the many dermapen-type products available right now for the same reason, until there has been independent testing done I'm going to recommend people use a manual dermastamp. Yes, it takes longer and is exhausting but at least you know you're doing it right.

It's marketed for treating all types of scarring and anti-aging.

Marketed, yes. Indicated, not quite. Most of the studies show that needling works best on rolling scars, moderately well on boxcars and inadequately for icepicks (individual needling excluded). But when combined with subcision and TCA peels the improvements dramatically increase.

[f93d 200]

Used a variation of the dermapen, 2 stamps per second with 10 needles - product is no longer for sale.

One of those Chinese ones? I bought one of those a few years back when they first came out, threw the damn thing away, it was too underpowered to work efficiently.

I'm still skeptical of all the many dermapen-type products available right now for the same reason, until there has been independent testing done I'm going to recommend people use a manual dermastamp. Yes, it takes longer and is exhausting but at least you know you're doing it right.

>It's marketed for treating all types of scarring and anti-aging.

Marketed, yes. Indicated, not quite. Most of the studies show that needling works best on rolling scars, moderately well on boxcars and inadequately for icepicks (individual needling excluded). But when combined with subcision and TCA peels the improvements dramatically increase.

Needler was from owndoc; device quality I give a 9/10, needle replacement cartridges 3/10. I threw away 60% of them due to quality variation.

I will 2nd your opinion to not trust these products, however I've found needling to be >> dermarolling and dermastamping for consistency and depth. I never tried the chinese ones, but Owndoc has a case study on some of the Chinese needlers they've tested and your assessment is the same as theirs.

[templeofdoom 20]

Thanks for sharing.

I definitely notice a difference, your skin looks a lot less harsh in the after photos. Good work.

I also either get the 'look away' reaction, or the dreaded staring, but as you say good friends don't notice/ care. That's a positive.

[skullkid87 22]

i see improvement. im sorry its so slow though, make mix it up with other methods. it works for me

[Emhfali 0]

i don't get it why people always post their before and after pictures in different lightning conditions..

the 'improvement' is minimal, though

[Factoid 64]

It's difficult to exactly replicate lighting conditions. Anyway, if OP says he's had improvement I believe him, its not like he's shilling for some overpriced product.

[Tadamasa 48]

Yeah I also kinda figured 2mm microneedling doesn't produce amazing results, as it didn't for me. I know you didn't lose big money but it still sucks that to lose all that time that could've been spent on a better treatment. I'm pretty sure for all of us we would like to get rid of our scars asap so we can live life without thinking about our damn face all the time.

Anyways thanks for posting the results. It lets people know that microneedling must be combined to produce good results.

Edited August 20, 2015 by Tadamasa

[Rob_X_22 71]

i did this for about a year didn't make any progress ...i think it makes ur skin worse

[420blazeitfgt 23]

Yep, more proof that dermarolling is bullshit

[Robertitoo 311]

there's definitive improvement, i'll show you guys. & no one ever said microneedling will suffice for deep scars ^ NO ONE, so NOPE needling isn't bull shit

use to zoom in - http://i.imgur.com/Nkq3YAh.png

i'll finish it later

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[Factoid 64]

Ugh, the naysayers are at it again. First off, let me start by quoting myself.

It most certainly is not useless, there have been dozens of clinical studies done over the past decade that ALL show that skin needling can and does yield impressive gains when performed properly, consistently and with the correct post-operative care. And when you combine it with other effective modalities the amount of improvement is even more dramatic. Anybody who claims otherwise is either ignorant of the research or is trolling.

Put another way, impartial scientific trial and analysis has found that properly administered and consistent dermaneedling (especially in combination with other modalities) yields statistically significant improvements in atrophic acne scarring. That isn't somebody's personal opinion but quantified scientific FACT.

Now, there are always going to be outliers, people who've had either better or worse results than the average but this all comes down to individual healing abilities, some people simply heal better and produce more collagen than others.

Also, it takes TIME for remodelling and collagenization to take place, everybody is so ADD these days and expects spectacular results in 3- 6 months. When that doesn't happen they give up and declare the whole thing a futile waste of time, unwittingly stopping something that would likely have eventually given them the results they were expecting.

[Rob_X_22 71]

i really do think dermarolling makes ur skin look worse ...i think it loses its firmness ....it just sags after u do it so much

[Nikolaos 5]

i really do think dermarolling makes ur skin look worse ...i think it loses its firmness ....it just sags after u do it so much

That's weird... the effect of dermarolling should be the exact opposite.

Try applying retin-A after a dermaroll (or dermastamp) session.

Personally I have been using dermastamp for more than a year and I haven't noticed much improvement... however i didn't take any before pictures at the beginning, so since the improvement is so slow, maybe it's there but I wasn't able to see it.

IMO it's worth using dermaroller or dermastamp one in a while as an anti age prophylactic treatment. You will benefit from preventing wrinkles and diminishing acne scars at the same time.

[Rob_X_22 71]

i've used retin a for 5 years it works great ...if i had to do it again i wouldn't use a derma roller

[Factoid 64]

Needling typically has a tightening effect as the skin thickens and collagen deposits increase, you might have an issue with collagenesis due to your long-term sun exposure.

Solar Ultraviolet Irradiation Reduces Collagen in Photoaged Human Skin by Blocking Transforming Growth Factor-β Type II Receptor/Smad Signaling

Our data demonstrate that UV irradiation impairs TGF-β/Smad pathway through transcriptional down-regulation of TβRII, and that this impairment is primarily responsible for reduced procollagen synthesis in human skin fibroblasts.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1618600/

Edited August 24, 2015 by Factoid

[FeelsGood 2]

On 8/21/2015 at 10:58 AM, Robertitoo said:

there's definitive improvement, i'll show you guys. & no one ever said microneedling will suffice for deep scars ^ NO ONE, so NOPE needling isn't bull shit

 

 

 

use to zoom in - http://i.imgur.com/Nkq3YAh.png

 

i'll finish it later

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Hello, that's me. The after pictures make it look better than the actual results. Subcision does work but it's not a miracle like the picture makes it believe. 

 

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