Even so, back to what I said in my initial reply; I do not consume such a hefty amount of junk food, by far much less than the average American, including milk and most dairy being the most common source of dietary outbreaks for people across the globe, and all over this forum. I mostly eat one source of protein, such as baked chicken or beef, some minor forms of vegetables, an above-average amount of water, and a decent amount of grains, like rice. If I were constantly shoveling down Big Macs and drinking 2 Liter Cokes, I'd be inclined to agree with you (obviously I'm exaggerating). You can't really argue that my diet is unhealthy, unless I'm a special case, where, in order to be acne free, I'd have to eat undressed vegetables and drink only water for the rest of my life.

"Even so" Even so what? You said "The vast majority of studies are shown that what you consume, besides dairy, does not have an effect on the devlopment on acne." And I called BS, and proved it. Sorry but there is no 'even' here
"You can't really argue that my diet is unhealthy" I never did.
"(..)Including milk and most dairy being the most common source of dietary outbreaks for people across the globe(..)" Do I really have to call BS again?

 

 

 

Even so, back to what I said in my initial reply; I do not consume such a hefty amount of junk food, by far much less than the average American, including milk and most dairy being the most common source of dietary outbreaks for people across the globe, and all over this forum. I mostly eat one source of protein, such as baked chicken or beef, some minor forms of vegetables, an above-average amount of water, and a decent amount of grains, like rice. If I were constantly shoveling down Big Macs and drinking 2 Liter Cokes, I'd be inclined to agree with you (obviously I'm exaggerating). You can't really argue that my diet is unhealthy, unless I'm a special case, where, in order to be acne free, I'd have to eat undressed vegetables and drink only water for the rest of my life.

 

"Even so" Even so what? You said "The vast majority of studies are shown that what you consume, besides dairy, does not have an effect on the devlopment on acne." And I called BS, and proved it. Sorry but there is no 'even' here

"You can't really argue that my diet is unhealthy" I never did.

"(..)Including milk and most dairy being the most common source of dietary outbreaks for people across the globe(..)" Do I really have to call BS again?

Is this really necessary? I'm not a scientist, I honestly do not care to battle out the science of acne and diet with you, it's a popular opinion that dairy is the largest cause of acne in one's diet, with some researches pointing to the addition of greasy foods, to which I've already stated I do not consume. Hold the vendetta there. You called BS by bringing up the opinion of a few names with Y and N marked to them, and within 2 minutes of browsing this forum I've already observed countless opinions of people who claim going on a heavily restricted diet has not helped them at all, while some claim it does. Research is inconclusive. The wink is a cute touch, but god, take your bigotry elsewhere. To assume, probably without even reading my initial post, that the cause of my acne is to 'stop eating garbage' is hilarious.

"I never did" interesting. Refer to the above sentence, as I don't see the need to go back a page and quote you. Does it really matter that much to you? Since when did my topic revolve around the science of acne and diet? Last I checked, I referenced a popular hypothesis sounded all over this forum, the internet in general, which would only take but a few clicks to find articles stating how inconclusive acne and diet are, and even in your own 'studies' is it not unanimous about the correlation between acne and diet. Call whoever you need to settle down and find someone else to attack

 

 

 

 

Even so, back to what I said in my initial reply; I do not consume such a hefty amount of junk food, by far much less than the average American, including milk and most dairy being the most common source of dietary outbreaks for people across the globe, and all over this forum. I mostly eat one source of protein, such as baked chicken or beef, some minor forms of vegetables, an above-average amount of water, and a decent amount of grains, like rice. If I were constantly shoveling down Big Macs and drinking 2 Liter Cokes, I'd be inclined to agree with you (obviously I'm exaggerating). You can't really argue that my diet is unhealthy, unless I'm a special case, where, in order to be acne free, I'd have to eat undressed vegetables and drink only water for the rest of my life.

 

"Even so" Even so what? You said "The vast majority of studies are shown that what you consume, besides dairy, does not have an effect on the devlopment on acne." And I called BS, and proved it. Sorry but there is no 'even' here

"You can't really argue that my diet is unhealthy" I never did.

"(..)Including milk and most dairy being the most common source of dietary outbreaks for people across the globe(..)" Do I really have to call BS again?

Is this really necessary? I'm not a scientist, I honestly do not care to battle out the science of acne and diet with you, it's a popular opinion that dairy is the largest cause of acne in one's diet, with some researches pointing to the addition of greasy foods, to which I've already stated I do not consume. Hold the vendetta there. You called BS by bringing up the opinion of a few names with Y and N marked to them, and within 2 minutes of browsing this forum I've already observed countless opinions of people who claim going on a heavily restricted diet has not helped them at all, while some claim it does. Research is inconclusive. The wink is a cute touch, but god, take your bigotry elsewhere. To assume, probably without even reading my initial post, that the cause of my acne is to 'stop eating garbage' is hilarious.

"I never did" interesting. Refer to the above sentence, as I don't see the need to go back a page and quote you. Does it really matter that much to you? Since when did my topic revolve around the science of acne and diet? Last I checked, I referenced a popular hypothesis sounded all over this forum, the internet in general, which would only take but a few clicks to find articles stating how inconclusive acne and diet are, and even in your own 'studies' is it not unanimous about the correlation between acne and diet. Call whoever you need to settle down and find someone else to attack

Yes I think it is necessary and here is why:

A LOT of people go to this forum to find the cause and cure for their acne. People here is meet with tons on tons of information and tons of people talking about science and research as if they actually know - very few actually does

When people talk about research and science other people listen. Some is desperate, some actually think their lifes are over, that they will never be clear, that they will live with acne forever. Acne to some people do actually destroy their lifes - destroy their youth - destroy their feelings about themselves - and some will search for an answer for years spending a lot of money on basically crap. Science has shown there is an alternative to this desperation and despair.

So when people like yourself talk about "research and science" but it is really just personal opinions, fairytales and self-made-up studies, you are not really helping - you are actually doing the opposite!

From a scientific perspective we have already established the exact pathways to acne, from cellular level to lipid connections, to dietary causes. We KNOW what acne is we KNOW how to prevent it and we KNOW how to cure it.

 

 

 

 

Even so, back to what I said in my initial reply; I do not consume such a hefty amount of junk food, by far much less than the average American, including milk and most dairy being the most common source of dietary outbreaks for people across the globe, and all over this forum. I mostly eat one source of protein, such as baked chicken or beef, some minor forms of vegetables, an above-average amount of water, and a decent amount of grains, like rice. If I were constantly shoveling down Big Macs and drinking 2 Liter Cokes, I'd be inclined to agree with you (obviously I'm exaggerating). You can't really argue that my diet is unhealthy, unless I'm a special case, where, in order to be acne free, I'd have to eat undressed vegetables and drink only water for the rest of my life.

 

"Even so" Even so what? You said "The vast majority of studies are shown that what you consume, besides dairy, does not have an effect on the devlopment on acne." And I called BS, and proved it. Sorry but there is no 'even' here

"You can't really argue that my diet is unhealthy" I never did.

"(..)Including milk and most dairy being the most common source of dietary outbreaks for people across the globe(..)" Do I really have to call BS again?

Is this really necessary? I'm not a scientist, I honestly do not care to battle out the science of acne and diet with you, it's a popular opinion that dairy is the largest cause of acne in one's diet, with some researches pointing to the addition of greasy foods, to which I've already stated I do not consume. Hold the vendetta there. You called BS by bringing up the opinion of a few names with Y and N marked to them, and within 2 minutes of browsing this forum I've already observed countless opinions of people who claim going on a heavily restricted diet has not helped them at all, while some claim it does. Research is inconclusive. The wink is a cute touch, but god, take your bigotry elsewhere. To assume, probably without even reading my initial post, that the cause of my acne is to 'stop eating garbage' is hilarious.

"I never did" interesting. Refer to the above sentence, as I don't see the need to go back a page and quote you. Does it really matter that much to you? Since when did my topic revolve around the science of acne and diet? Last I checked, I referenced a popular hypothesis sounded all over this forum, the internet in general, which would only take but a few clicks to find articles stating how inconclusive acne and diet are, and even in your own 'studies' is it not unanimous about the correlation between acne and diet. Call whoever you need to settle down and find someone else to attack

Yes I think it is necessary and here is why:

A LOT of people go to this forum to find the cause and cure for their acne. People here is meet with tons on tons of information and tons of people talking about science and research as if they actually know - very few actually does

When people talk about research and science other people listen. Some is desperate, some actually think their lifes are over, that they will never be clear, that they will live with acne forever. Acne to some people do actually destroy their lifes - destroy their youth - destroy their feelings about themselves - and some will search for an answer for years spending a lot of money on basically crap. Science has shown there is an alternative to this desperation and despair.

So when people like yourself talk about "research and science" but it is really just personal opinions, fairytales and self-made-up studies, you are not really helping - you are actually doing the opposite!

From a scientific perspective we have already established the exact pathways to acne, from cellular level to lipid connections, to dietary causes. We KNOW what acne is we KNOW how to prevent it and we KNOW how to cure it.

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, to even entertain the notion of a debate with you about the science of food and acne is foul play, unnecessary, and so misplaced and misjudged on your part as to why this even needs to happen that there's no need to keep beating a dead horse. So, I'll end this by saying the following, you can retort as you wish, but I honestly won't care, as you evidently don't care for what I have to say.

1) The topic is about treating my acne, not engaging in an internet debate with you about the science of acne and diet.

2) I have already acknowledged that my diet does not include foods in which are prone to causing acne. You, however, seem to believe that acne is almost based solely on diet, evidenced by your other various posts on the forum. Yes, I've read some, and I can see where you go with them - but in truth, there are people who eat whatever they want and rarely if ever acquire acne. Opposite, there are people here, who, once again, I have read not minutes before replying to you; who have eaten such a restricted diet to the point of being completely unhappy with their choices, yet tenacious, and have still experienced breakouts. Even when going on said diets long-term. There is SOME merit to the relation of diet and acne - but is it absolute? No. The overwhelming factor within the cause of acne is hormones and DNA. Otherwise, as children, eating candy, drinking soda, and eating processed foods left and right would break one out much before puberty, period. Yet there are still cases of acne in children due to chemical imbalances within the body, dirt and bacteria, or what have you.

3) I would have openly respected your opinion had you not unconditionally assumed I was eating garbage, almost seemingly like you hadn't even read my initial post. Then, to reference a few names with Y and N placed against them, like I'm supposed to acknowledge the findings of about 20 experts, thus settling the matter for around 7 billion people, is laughable, especially with the addition of your pompousness. You can literally Google whether acne and diet come into play, and you will find just as many, if not more studies from experts likely as revered as the random names you're providing, in which state such studies are inconclusive. Lets not kid ourselves.

4) What works for you MAY work for me, MAY work for others, and if you're content with eating foods that restrict your diet to such an immense degree, seeking alternatives to the vastly processed, monitored and supplied foods of today, but mind you not ALL foods, I applaud you, yet I'm not just going to agree with you.

5) I honestly do not think your opinion holds any more weight than mine based on YOUR own personal experience and the professional opinion of a few experts, in which, again, would be so incredibly easy to counter with countless other experts who say the exact opposite, again, likely to an even higher degree, not including a few exceptions of diet, such as dairy, grease, and MAYBE sugar, salt and wheat.

6) Anyone reading my topic is observing what I have to say and viewing my pictures, likely comparing it to their own situation, and reading the solutions of others based on the case of curing acne as a whole, and not seeking dietary advice for the cure of acne. There are many sub-forums and topics that go in-depth about diet and acne, and on many of these forums will guests and members alike find users posting that they either have or haven't had results. But really, my topic is where you're going to promote your own personal opinion in a closed-minded way? Come now. If I'm not mistaken, you have your own topic about your own findings. While as you think you have acne all figured out, you might want to look up how hormones, bacteria in general, and DNA/hereditary factors come into play. Thank you for stopping by.

 

 

 

 

Even so, back to what I said in my initial reply; I do not consume such a hefty amount of junk food, by far much less than the average American, including milk and most dairy being the most common source of dietary outbreaks for people across the globe, and all over this forum. I mostly eat one source of protein, such as baked chicken or beef, some minor forms of vegetables, an above-average amount of water, and a decent amount of grains, like rice. If I were constantly shoveling down Big Macs and drinking 2 Liter Cokes, I'd be inclined to agree with you (obviously I'm exaggerating). You can't really argue that my diet is unhealthy, unless I'm a special case, where, in order to be acne free, I'd have to eat undressed vegetables and drink only water for the rest of my life.

 

"Even so" Even so what? You said "The vast majority of studies are shown that what you consume, besides dairy, does not have an effect on the devlopment on acne." And I called BS, and proved it. Sorry but there is no 'even' here

"You can't really argue that my diet is unhealthy" I never did.

"(..)Including milk and most dairy being the most common source of dietary outbreaks for people across the globe(..)" Do I really have to call BS again?

Is this really necessary? I'm not a scientist, I honestly do not care to battle out the science of acne and diet with you, it's a popular opinion that dairy is the largest cause of acne in one's diet, with some researches pointing to the addition of greasy foods, to which I've already stated I do not consume. Hold the vendetta there. You called BS by bringing up the opinion of a few names with Y and N marked to them, and within 2 minutes of browsing this forum I've already observed countless opinions of people who claim going on a heavily restricted diet has not helped them at all, while some claim it does. Research is inconclusive. The wink is a cute touch, but god, take your bigotry elsewhere. To assume, probably without even reading my initial post, that the cause of my acne is to 'stop eating garbage' is hilarious.

"I never did" interesting. Refer to the above sentence, as I don't see the need to go back a page and quote you. Does it really matter that much to you? Since when did my topic revolve around the science of acne and diet? Last I checked, I referenced a popular hypothesis sounded all over this forum, the internet in general, which would only take but a few clicks to find articles stating how inconclusive acne and diet are, and even in your own 'studies' is it not unanimous about the correlation between acne and diet. Call whoever you need to settle down and find someone else to attack

Yes I think it is necessary and here is why:

A LOT of people go to this forum to find the cause and cure for their acne. People here is meet with tons on tons of information and tons of people talking about science and research as if they actually know - very few actually does

When people talk about research and science other people listen. Some is desperate, some actually think their lifes are over, that they will never be clear, that they will live with acne forever. Acne to some people do actually destroy their lifes - destroy their youth - destroy their feelings about themselves - and some will search for an answer for years spending a lot of money on basically crap. Science has shown there is an alternative to this desperation and despair.

So when people like yourself talk about "research and science" but it is really just personal opinions, fairytales and self-made-up studies, you are not really helping - you are actually doing the opposite!

From a scientific perspective we have already established the exact pathways to acne, from cellular level to lipid connections, to dietary causes. We KNOW what acne is we KNOW how to prevent it and we KNOW how to cure it.

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, to even entertain the notion of a debate with you about the science of food and acne is foul play, unnecessary, and so misplaced and misjudged on your part as to why this even needs to happen that there's no need to keep beating a dead horse. So, I'll end this by saying the following, you can retort as you wish, but I honestly won't care, as you evidently don't care for what I have to say.

1) The topic is about treating my acne, not engaging in an internet debate with you about the science of acne and diet.

2) I have already acknowledged that my diet does not include foods in which are prone to causing acne. You, however, seem to believe that acne is almost based solely on diet, evidenced by your other various posts on the forum. Yes, I've read some, and I can see where you go with them - but in truth, there are people who eat whatever they want and rarely if ever acquire acne. Opposite, there are people here, who, once again, I have read not minutes before replying to you; who have eaten such a restricted diet to the point of being completely unhappy with their choices, yet tenacious, and have still experienced breakouts. Even when going on said diets long-term. There is SOME merit to the relation of diet and acne - but is it absolute? No. The overwhelming factor within the cause of acne is hormones and DNA. Otherwise, as children, eating candy, drinking soda, and eating processed foods left and right would break one out much before puberty, period. Yet there are still cases of acne in children due to chemical imbalances within the body, dirt and bacteria, or what have you.

3) I would have openly respected your opinion had you not unconditionally assumed I was eating garbage, almost seemingly like you hadn't even read my initial post. Then, to reference a few names with Y and N placed against them, like I'm supposed to acknowledge the findings of about 20 experts, thus settling the matter for around 7 billion people, is laughable, especially with the addition of your pompousness. You can literally Google whether acne and diet come into play, and you will find just as many, if not more studies from experts likely as revered as the random names you're providing, in which state such studies are inconclusive. Lets not kid ourselves.

4) What works for you MAY work for me, MAY work for others, and if you're content with eating foods that restrict your diet to such an immense degree, seeking alternatives to the vastly processed, monitored and supplied foods of today, but mind you not ALL foods, I applaud you, yet I'm not just going to agree with you.

5) I honestly do not think your opinion holds any more weight than mine based on YOUR own personal experience and the professional opinion of a few experts, in which, again, would be so incredibly easy to counter with countless other experts who say the exact opposite, again, likely to an even higher degree, not including a few exceptions of diet, such as dairy, grease, and MAYBE sugar, salt and wheat.

6) Anyone reading my topic is observing what I have to say and viewing my pictures, likely comparing it to their own situation, and reading the solutions of others based on the case of curing acne as a whole, and not seeking dietary advice for the cure of acne. There are many sub-forums and topics that go in-depth about diet and acne, and on many of these forums will guests and members alike find users posting that they either have or haven't had results. But really, my topic is where you're going to promote your own personal opinion in a closed-minded way? Come now. If I'm not mistaken, you have your own topic about your own findings. While as you think you have acne all figured out, you might want to look up how hormones, bacteria in general, and DNA/hereditary factors come into play. Thank you for stopping by.

1. You brought up research. I solely replied to that and nothing else. It was never an attack on you, your topic, your diet or anything else related to you - other than your statements about the vast majority of acne and diet research. Which we have already established you made up.

2. No Science can never be absolute, and it is not the purpose of science to be so - I've never stated that.

3. There is some truth in saying hormones (or hormonal imbalance) causes acne. We have known for a long time that certain types of food like high GI foods. and saturated fat leads to elevated dihydrotestosterone, and low GI f. and polyunsaturated fat leads to elevated SHBG.

I did not just reference a few names. I compiled a complete list of ALL research ever published on the correlation (positive and negative) between acne and diet since world war 2 (except reviews and discussion, like I stated).

4. I have never said diet restriction will work for you. I have never talked about your acne, or mine for that matter (in this topic) I have only talked about acne in generel, from a scientific perspective.

5. Again It is science. I haven't talked about diet cured acne in me, so in this topic there is no statements from me based on my own 'personal experience'.

6. DNA - yes we also know about epigenetic.

Thank you for stopping by.

You are most welcome

 

Stop eating garbage and just eat fruit and vegetables strictly. No sugar, dairy, wheat or meat.

I'm not eating garbage. The vast majority of studies are shown that what you consume, besides dairy, does not have an effect on the devlopment on acne. Even so, my diet isn't garbage. I don't even eat fast food or fried food. As far as wheat, I've heard white processed foods are actually worse compared to wheat.

Are you talking about whole wheat here? If so yes whole wheat should not put acne on you. But plain white wheat bread is after all processed so that it's neither particularly high in fiber or nutrients. Glucose level in white wheat bread hits the bloodstream at a rate of 75% of ordinary pure glucose. it spikes your insulin and stores the glucose in fat cells.The outcome could be at a risk of metabolic syndroms or diseases like acne or diabetes. Don't eat white bread.

 

 

 

 

Even so, back to what I said in my initial reply; I do not consume such a hefty amount of junk food, by far much less than the average American, including milk and most dairy being the most common source of dietary outbreaks for people across the globe, and all over this forum. I mostly eat one source of protein, such as baked chicken or beef, some minor forms of vegetables, an above-average amount of water, and a decent amount of grains, like rice. If I were constantly shoveling down Big Macs and drinking 2 Liter Cokes, I'd be inclined to agree with you (obviously I'm exaggerating). You can't really argue that my diet is unhealthy, unless I'm a special case, where, in order to be acne free, I'd have to eat undressed vegetables and drink only water for the rest of my life.

 

"Even so" Even so what? You said "The vast majority of studies are shown that what you consume, besides dairy, does not have an effect on the devlopment on acne." And I called BS, and proved it. Sorry but there is no 'even' here

"You can't really argue that my diet is unhealthy" I never did.

"(..)Including milk and most dairy being the most common source of dietary outbreaks for people across the globe(..)" Do I really have to call BS again?

Is this really necessary? I'm not a scientist, I honestly do not care to battle out the science of acne and diet with you, it's a popular opinion that dairy is the largest cause of acne in one's diet, with some researches pointing to the addition of greasy foods, to which I've already stated I do not consume. Hold the vendetta there. You called BS by bringing up the opinion of a few names with Y and N marked to them, and within 2 minutes of browsing this forum I've already observed countless opinions of people who claim going on a heavily restricted diet has not helped them at all, while some claim it does. Research is inconclusive. The wink is a cute touch, but god, take your bigotry elsewhere. To assume, probably without even reading my initial post, that the cause of my acne is to 'stop eating garbage' is hilarious.

"I never did" interesting. Refer to the above sentence, as I don't see the need to go back a page and quote you. Does it really matter that much to you? Since when did my topic revolve around the science of acne and diet? Last I checked, I referenced a popular hypothesis sounded all over this forum, the internet in general, which would only take but a few clicks to find articles stating how inconclusive acne and diet are, and even in your own 'studies' is it not unanimous about the correlation between acne and diet. Call whoever you need to settle down and find someone else to attack

Yes I think it is necessary and here is why:

A LOT of people go to this forum to find the cause and cure for their acne. People here is meet with tons on tons of information and tons of people talking about science and research as if they actually know - very few actually does

When people talk about research and science other people listen. Some is desperate, some actually think their lifes are over, that they will never be clear, that they will live with acne forever. Acne to some people do actually destroy their lifes - destroy their youth - destroy their feelings about themselves - and some will search for an answer for years spending a lot of money on basically crap. Science has shown there is an alternative to this desperation and despair.

So when people like yourself talk about "research and science" but it is really just personal opinions, fairytales and self-made-up studies, you are not really helping - you are actually doing the opposite!

From a scientific perspective we have already established the exact pathways to acne, from cellular level to lipid connections, to dietary causes. We KNOW what acne is we KNOW how to prevent it and we KNOW how to cure it.

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, to even entertain the notion of a debate with you about the science of food and acne is foul play, unnecessary, and so misplaced and misjudged on your part as to why this even needs to happen that there's no need to keep beating a dead horse. So, I'll end this by saying the following, you can retort as you wish, but I honestly won't care, as you evidently don't care for what I have to say.

1) The topic is about treating my acne, not engaging in an internet debate with you about the science of acne and diet.

2) I have already acknowledged that my diet does not include foods in which are prone to causing acne. You, however, seem to believe that acne is almost based solely on diet, evidenced by your other various posts on the forum. Yes, I've read some, and I can see where you go with them - but in truth, there are people who eat whatever they want and rarely if ever acquire acne. Opposite, there are people here, who, once again, I have read not minutes before replying to you; who have eaten such a restricted diet to the point of being completely unhappy with their choices, yet tenacious, and have still experienced breakouts. Even when going on said diets long-term. There is SOME merit to the relation of diet and acne - but is it absolute? No. The overwhelming factor within the cause of acne is hormones and DNA. Otherwise, as children, eating candy, drinking soda, and eating processed foods left and right would break one out much before puberty, period. Yet there are still cases of acne in children due to chemical imbalances within the body, dirt and bacteria, or what have you.

3) I would have openly respected your opinion had you not unconditionally assumed I was eating garbage, almost seemingly like you hadn't even read my initial post. Then, to reference a few names with Y and N placed against them, like I'm supposed to acknowledge the findings of about 20 experts, thus settling the matter for around 7 billion people, is laughable, especially with the addition of your pompousness. You can literally Google whether acne and diet come into play, and you will find just as many, if not more studies from experts likely as revered as the random names you're providing, in which state such studies are inconclusive. Lets not kid ourselves.

4) What works for you MAY work for me, MAY work for others, and if you're content with eating foods that restrict your diet to such an immense degree, seeking alternatives to the vastly processed, monitored and supplied foods of today, but mind you not ALL foods, I applaud you, yet I'm not just going to agree with you.

5) I honestly do not think your opinion holds any more weight than mine based on YOUR own personal experience and the professional opinion of a few experts, in which, again, would be so incredibly easy to counter with countless other experts who say the exact opposite, again, likely to an even higher degree, not including a few exceptions of diet, such as dairy, grease, and MAYBE sugar, salt and wheat.

6) Anyone reading my topic is observing what I have to say and viewing my pictures, likely comparing it to their own situation, and reading the solutions of others based on the case of curing acne as a whole, and not seeking dietary advice for the cure of acne. There are many sub-forums and topics that go in-depth about diet and acne, and on many of these forums will guests and members alike find users posting that they either have or haven't had results. But really, my topic is where you're going to promote your own personal opinion in a closed-minded way? Come now. If I'm not mistaken, you have your own topic about your own findings. While as you think you have acne all figured out, you might want to look up how hormones, bacteria in general, and DNA/hereditary factors come into play. Thank you for stopping by.

1. You brought up research. I solely replied to that and nothing else. It was never an attack on you, your topic, your diet or anything else related to you - other than your statements about the vast majority of acne and diet research. Which we have already established you made up.

2. No Science can never be absolute, and it is not the purpose of science to be so - I've never stated that.

3. There is some truth in saying hormones (or hormonal imbalance) causes acne. We have known for a long time that certain types of food like high GI foods. and saturated fat leads to elevated dihydrotestosterone, and low GI f. and polyunsaturated fat leads to elevated SHBG.

 

I did not just reference a few names. I compiled a complete list of ALL research ever published on the correlation (positive and negative) between acne and diet since world war 2 (except reviews and discussion, like I stated).

4. I have never said diet restriction will work for you. I have never talked about your acne, or mine for that matter (in this topic) I have only talked about acne in generel, from a scientific perspective.

5. Again It is science. I haven't talked about diet cured acne in me, so in this topic there is no statements from me based on my own 'personal experience'.

6. DNA - yes we also know about epigenetic.

 

>Thank you for stopping by.

You are most welcome

Unnecessary, illusory and contradictory; therefore ignored. To take the 'never' route when I could so easily quote, prove falsely and entertain the notion of wasting more of my thinking on this discussion with you isn't something that will prove a good use of my time or solve what this topic is even about - in case you're confused, refer to and read my first post, or continue to try and mod the entire forum based on your own internet-induced opinion while downplaying that of others who can counter you within 10 seconds of research, which, as you've just admitted, can be supported by numerous findings of other scientists who don't agree with you. There is a way to include your two-cents without coming off sarcastic and egotistical, once again, I'd have freely discussed your take on things otherwise. Take care.

 

Stop eating garbage and just eat fruit and vegetables strictly. No sugar, dairy, wheat or meat.

I'm not eating garbage. The vast majority of studies are shown that what you consume, besides dairy, does not have an effect on the devlopment on acne. Even so, my diet isn't garbage. I don't even eat fast food or fried food. As far as wheat, I've heard white processed foods are actually worse compared to wheat.

Are you talking about whole wheat here? If so yes whole wheat should not put acne on you. But plain white wheat bread is after all processed so that it's neither particularly high in fiber or nutrients. Glucose level in white wheat bread hits the bloodstream at a rate of 75% of ordinary pure glucose. it spikes your insulin and stores the glucose in fat cells.The outcome could be at a risk of metabolic syndroms or diseases like acne or diabetes. Don't eat white bread.

The problem is that white bread is in so much of what we eat, but yes, I get the notion, and how there are also an abundance of other options.

Okay man all i can help you with is your body acne this is my first post here as well and trust me on this

Buy the Head and shoulders Classic Clean dandruff shampoo and rub it all over your back and chest you will see results in less than a week at least I have my back is 90% clear at this point

The shampoo is only like 6 dollars

 

Stop eating garbage and just eat fruit and vegetables strictly. No sugar, dairy, wheat or meat.

I'm not eating garbage. The vast majority of studies are shown that what you consume, besides dairy, does not have an effect on the devlopment on acne. Even so, my diet isn't garbage. I don't even eat fast food or fried food. As far as wheat, I've heard white processed foods are actually worse compared to wheat.

Are you talking about whole wheat here? If so yes whole wheat should not put acne on you. But plain white wheat bread is after all processed so that it's neither particularly high in fiber or nutrients. Glucose level in white wheat bread hits the bloodstream at a rate of 75% of ordinary pure glucose. it spikes your insulin and stores the glucose in fat cells.The outcome could be at a risk of metabolic syndroms or diseases like acne or diabetes. Don't eat white bread.

The problem is that white bread is in so much of what we eat, but yes, I get the notion, and how there are also an abundance of other options.

You're right about that. I have in the 6-7 years I have had acne tried almost everything all in all it has been a waste of time. Accutane kept acne at a distance of approximately one year after It returned even worse. I could keep the worst cysts at bay with Dan's regimen, but it has never been clear before I accidentally saw a youtube video called Fructose 2.0 which explains the research behind sugar and high glycemic carbs, and how it destroys our bodies. I keep a diary, and I go back I can see I started eating paleo March 1. this year and the last bum I've had was on April 19. It is five months not just without acne but without pimples at all!

I'm not trying to lecture you or convince you of anything. For you are right there is a world of other possibilities. I just hope that you're not going to waste your time on easy solutions like I did. Good luck with all of it

Hello!! I have struggled with acne literally my entire adult life. I am 26 now and I think I have FINALLY found something that can help me!! I had to share it

Zinc, people!! Please read about the effects of zinc on acne and you will learn how freakin great it is! You can start here.

My personal story:

I have recently started taking 50mg per day of zinc gluconate when my face had gotten to the point where all joy in my life was gone. Red, ugly and painful--physically and emotionally. It was one of those days where I was standing in the grocery aisle not making eye contact with anyone because I felt so disgusting. That day I bought "Simple Truth" 50mg zinc gluconate with 100 small, swallowable pills for under $5. I started it on Sept 22, today is the 30th. My acne is nearly ALL gone!! I have never had anything work as well as this supplement except for Accutane. Which has terrible side-effects. I would only recommend accutane as a VERY last resort. It makes your joints hurt and I still to this day have to lay down slowly when I get in bed at night because it hurts to straighten out.

Anyway, this $5 bottle of zinc pills has been simply amazing and I would recommend it to anyone who is looking for an end to their acne woes. Give it a shot, its a mineral!

Also important and MANY sources will conclude that Milk is terrible for acne. The hormones, natural and added, are really really bad for people with acne. I've cut that out of my diet too. Hard at first, but Hemp milk is a nice creamy substitute.

 

Unnecessary, illusory and contradictory; therefore ignored. To take the 'never' route when I could so easily quote, prove falsely and entertain the notion of wasting more of my thinking on this discussion with you isn't something that will prove a good use of my time or solve what this topic is even about - in case you're confused, refer to and read my first post, or continue to try and mod the entire forum based on your own internet-induced opinion while downplaying that of others who can counter you within 10 seconds of research, which, as you've just admitted, can be supported by numerous findings of other scientists who don't agree with you. There is a way to include your two-cents without coming off sarcastic and egotistical, once again, I'd have freely discussed your take on things otherwise. Take care.

Well it is pretty easy to prove me wrong with made-up studies. Who can compete with that

 

Unnecessary, illusory and contradictory; therefore ignored. To take the 'never' route when I could so easily quote, prove falsely and entertain the notion of wasting more of my thinking on this discussion with you isn't something that will prove a good use of my time or solve what this topic is even about - in case you're confused, refer to and read my first post, or continue to try and mod the entire forum based on your own internet-induced opinion while downplaying that of others who can counter you within 10 seconds of research, which, as you've just admitted, can be supported by numerous findings of other scientists who don't agree with you. There is a way to include your two-cents without coming off sarcastic and egotistical, once again, I'd have freely discussed your take on things otherwise. Take care.

Well it is pretty easy to prove me wrong with made-up studies. Who can compete with that

It almost sounds like you're preaching advice you should first be taking into account before regurgitating, strange.

Okay man all i can help you with is your body acne this is my first post here as well and trust me on this

 

Buy the Head and shoulders Classic Clean dandruff shampoo and rub it all over your back and chest you will see results in less than a week at least I have my back is 90% clear at this point

 

The shampoo is only like 6 dollars

I've also heard Dawn Dish washing Soap, believe it or not, is good, too. I'll have to see which one is more effective based on if others have tried it, thanks! How long do you think it'll take for you to be clear, and was yours as severe as mine?

 

Stop eating garbage and just eat fruit and vegetables strictly. No sugar, dairy, wheat or meat.

I'm not eating garbage. The vast majority of studies are shown that what you consume, besides dairy, does not have an effect on the devlopment on acne. Even so, my diet isn't garbage. I don't even eat fast food or fried food. As far as wheat, I've heard white processed foods are actually worse compared to wheat.

Are you talking about whole wheat here? If so yes whole wheat should not put acne on you. But plain white wheat bread is after all processed so that it's neither particularly high in fiber or nutrients. Glucose level in white wheat bread hits the bloodstream at a rate of 75% of ordinary pure glucose. it spikes your insulin and stores the glucose in fat cells.The outcome could be at a risk of metabolic syndroms or diseases like acne or diabetes. Don't eat white bread.

The problem is that white bread is in so much of what we eat, but yes, I get the notion, and how there are also an abundance of other options.

 

You're right about that. I have in the 6-7 years I have had acne tried almost everything all in all it has been a waste of time. Accutane kept acne at a distance of approximately one year after It returned even worse. I could keep the worst cysts at bay with Dan's regimen, but it has never been clear before I accidentally saw a youtube video called Fructose 2.0 which explains the research behind sugar and high glycemic carbs, and how it destroys our bodies. I keep a diary, and I go back I can see I started eating paleo March 1. this year and the last bum I've had was on April 19. It is five months not just without acne but without pimples at all!

I'm not trying to lecture you or convince you of anything. For you are right there is a world of other possibilities. I just hope that you're not going to waste your time on easy solutions like I did. Good luck with all of it

Thank you! I'm looking into a more balanced diet, I do consume a lot of sugar, which to me always seemed ridiculous to say because it's much less than the average person who typically doesn't have as visibly bad acne as I have. As far as high glycemic carbs, what all do you substitute with every day foods, for example?

Hello!! I have struggled with acne literally my entire adult life. I am 26 now and I think I have FINALLY found something that can help me!! I had to share it

 

Zinc, people!! Please read about the effects of zinc on acne and you will learn how freakin great it is! You can start here.

 

 

My personal story:

I have recently started taking 50mg per day of zinc gluconate when my face had gotten to the point where all joy in my life was gone. Red, ugly and painful--physically and emotionally. It was one of those days where I was standing in the grocery aisle not making eye contact with anyone because I felt so disgusting. That day I bought "Simple Truth" 50mg zinc gluconate with 100 small, swallowable pills for under $5. I started it on Sept 22, today is the 30th. My acne is nearly ALL gone!! I have never had anything work as well as this supplement except for Accutane. Which has terrible side-effects. I would only recommend accutane as a VERY last resort. It makes your joints hurt and I still to this day have to lay down slowly when I get in bed at night because it hurts to straighten out.

 

Anyway, this $5 bottle of zinc pills has been simply amazing and I would recommend it to anyone who is looking for an end to their acne woes. Give it a shot, its a mineral!

 

Also important and MANY sources will conclude that Milk is terrible for acne. The hormones, natural and added, are really really bad for people with acne. I've cut that out of my diet too. Hard at first, but Hemp milk is a nice creamy substitute.

I was just looking into zing for sustaining my body more with nutrients I frankly miss out on, that's pretty neat, I should try that. In a little over a week, your acne is nearly gone? That's amazing, I wonder if others are experiencing similar results. Unfortunately I'm still trying to get most of my calcium from milk, which is hard to find in milk substitutes, because honestly, I'm trying to give my body the potential to grow or strengthen my bones if possible.

Has anyone found a spot-on solution for treating ice pick scars and uneven, rough skin? I honestly need blackheads and ice pick scars explained more for me to see how to prevent them, as everything I'm trying seems to only create them.

Hi, I have a few things that I've learned over the years that might help. If you want to treat your acne topically with drugstore products, I have used Clean and Clear's continuous acne control with the 10% benzoyl peroxide, and it does work. Couple things to remember: benzoyl peroxide will dry your skin out, and also if you stop using it after has helped your acne, it will come back in full force. It kills the the bacteria that causes the acne, which is how it works. Also, Selsun Blue (the dandruff shampoo) has worked for me the past, but it dried out my skin something terrible, although that may be something you would want to try. 

If you want something more natural, honey makes an excellent cleanser and leaves your skin moisturized, just be sure to use unprocessed honey for best results. Have you tried Coconut oil? It is a wonderful moisturizer, but the jury is still out in whether or not is clears up acne. Another option is a skin peel, which you can get from amazon. It is basically an acid that removes the top layer of your skin so it can heal. It helps with scarring, too. If you decide to try this option, you would want to go with a milder peel to start out with (30% glycolic worked for me), and remember it is a dangerous substance. 

I obviously don't know what is actually causing your acne, but I have a few suggestions that might help. REGARDLESS of the studies that prove or disprove the link between acne and dairy, couldn't you just try completely eliminating dairy from your diet for a few weeks, just to see if there is an effect? If your acne is hormonal (and quite a lot of acne is), then the naturally occurring hormones in milk are just confusing your body and making it worse. Besides, there are so many health benefits to giving up dairy, it would do far more good than harm. I'm 5 months dairy free myself and although I'm skeptical as to whether it helped my acne, I see many benefits everyday, and you stop missing it after a while

Spending time out in the sun has really helped my acne in the past, and so has supplementing with Vitamin D. 

Just don't give up, whatever you do. It will always get better and you will find something that works for you, believe me.

Youre going to get so many different replies with this. But from what ive read here are my suggestions:

stick to a routine more than a few weeks. It can take up to 3 months for a treatment to work. Starting and stopping new things can make it worse, and only try on thing at a time.

If youre already using bp for that amount of time, its time to start looking at other options. Maybe it is too harsh for you, as is your other products. If you are feeling like your skin is tight after you wash your face, it is too harsh.

wash your pillow cases regularly as well as blankets as they harbor bacteria. If you use hair products, stop those to see if that helps.

Try an Aha, dan has one in the shop and theres also a great one from Paulas choice that helps with cell turnover

I have used so many different benzoyl peroxides over the last few years that honestly I wonder if my skin has grown used to it, or even in low concentrations, if it harms it more than it does good. From my pictures, you can see that most of my acne, as I believe, is gone. For many spots, there are no heads coming from the impurities, but rather deep-seeded red marks. Looking at my right cheek, you can see how these red marks make imprints slightly into my face, making my skin look damaged. I believe this is the result of using benzoyl peroxide so consistently to dry out my pimples - it may have irritated them and caused my skin to become damaged. OR, it could be that after popping blackheads or having them form naturally, they had already blocked my skin for so long that they caused these imprints, and now what's left is plenty of imprinted red marks all over my right cheek, and some on my left. All of this, despite moisturizing my skin regularly, leaves me wondering what to do about topical treatment.

Between the one you recommended, I also found a Neutrogena Oil-Free Acne Wash Cream Cleanser that seems to give good results with users too, but this has salicylic acid instead of benzoyl peroxide.

I've tried raw honey consistently every night for about a week to two weeks, but saw minimal results, if any. I haven't tried Coconut Oil or skin peels, the first because I'm not sure if anything is better than my Cetaphil Moisturizer, which honestly doesn't seem to be that great, and for the peel; I've never used a peel, and I'm afraid it would just make my already very red, imprinted and spotty face more red.

I honestly don't consume too much dairy, but funnily enough, even at the age of 19.5, I'm still trying to grow. I need sources of calcium and Vitamin D, to which I sometimes have a glass of milk. However, my house may start buying Silk Almond milk collectively, and I've already purchased Vitamin D supplement pills.

I spend some moderate time out in the sun, but not too much, maybe an hour or so.

It's been a long journey, and honestly, with all this imprinted red skin and scars, it just seems to get longer, but I'm trying.
 

I know, so I've seen, but none seem to address my acne specifically, just recommendations that have worked for them. I want someone to actually look at the pictures of my face, access what they think I have, and give me advice from there.

3 months? Even if there is no clear signs of something working, but hindering; such as benzoyl peroxide or salicylic acid? Both have dried my skin up to a point where no heads will form from the acne, but, however, red, imprinted marks will still remain, and these same marks have been on my face and cheeks for months. I even have little white, under-the-surface, squeezable bumps that bunch around my cheeks and chin. And mild ice pick scars have been the highlight of a lifetime, honestly. I'm not sure how to combat any of this, despite constant research. Surgery, at my age and level of income, as well as a lack of access to a dermatologist or regular doctor, makes things seem way out of reach. 

After using two different Clearasil face washes that contain salicylic acid, which seems to be counter-pruductive seeming as though the chemical has to remain on the face to dry out your skin and therefore work over hours (I leave it on for 3-5 minutes so that it can accomplish this), my face does feel tight. 

I've never considered using an AHA before your mentioned this just now, but it looks pretty promising if all the reviews people are posting are accurate.

Sorry, I don't know how to view pictures on this forum - I'm new here. 

I've never tried cetaphil, but it's hard for me to believe that it could be better than coconut oil. I would recommend it to anyone. 

I'm hesitant to recommend the peel any more, since I know some people have had really bad reactions and burned their faces, but it has worked for me. You could always have one done by a trained esthetician, but I imagine that would be quite expensive. Sorry, it was a bad suggestion.

You really seem to have tried everything, judging from your posts. I couldn't help but get the impression that maybe you were doing too much. If you keep slathering harsh chemicals on your skin and constantly changing your routine (as the other poster suggested), you are just irritating your skin. Maybe if you tried doing less, your skin would respond more favorably? 

There is an extreme version of this "do less" philosophy called the caveman regimen. I've never tried it because I'm way too chicken, but if you really have tried everything, maybe the answer is to try nothing. This article explains it better than I ever could:  http://thelovevitamin.com/3135/caveman-regimen/  

That's okay, sometime's they pull up and sometimes they don't, but welcome to the forum.

Cetaphil is the most highly recommended moisturizer for acne that I've seen in my personal experience, known for being gentle on the skin, but I have recently heard that an anti-bacterial coconut oil would be great for both clearing acne and moisturizing skin - does it have healing properties for scars? I mean, I have ice pick scars, so nothing's really going to make those go away besides professional help or peels etc, which is always a gamble and expensive.

Not a bad suggestion, just not within my options.

I've tried so many things over the past 5 years that honestly I'm not sure if anything works, but I have given every method at least 3 months of a trial run each time. I know, I have likely irritated it. I'm trying to use less face wash, though lately I've doubted it's effectiveness; no acne face wash seems to do much for me now, versus when I was 15. 

I've researched it a little and while as it sounds beneficial for active acne red bumps, I doubt it's effectiveness with blackheads, which are forming constantly in small, patchy areas as clustered clumps, and therefore turn into ice pick scars. 

Updated pictures:

Bump.

I started Acne.org, but it doesn't seem to be doing too amazing. I still get acne, I'm still getting ice-pick scars. Kinda sucks.

Hi,

I hope I haven't come too late with my help! First of all, I'm sorry that you're suffering with this. It truly is damaging to ones self esteem.I noticed you were mentioninice pick scars really drew the line for you. I don't have severe ice pick scars, butI used to have little indentation scars on my forehead, temples, jaw and chin. I suffer(ed) from body acneas well, I believe it started on myback. It wassevere. It then spread to my chest.. As a woman, it made it so difficult because I couldn't wear any of my blouses, dresses, etc. I can really relate to you too because Isimply tried everything.. I went to the dermo 3 times and tried many different meds. None of them worked, if anything, made it worse. Some of the "gentle" washes turned my face bright red and made my skin feel raw. I went to see a homeopathic doctor and found out I have a dairy and gluten intolerance. I've read thatconsumption of what your body can't tolerate will cause your body to push it out in a sense, and result in acne. My point is, do you know if you have any allergies? You don't have to go to a doctor to find out if you do, keep a journal and account if you break out specially after ingesting a certain foods.

I highly suggest fish oil and primrose oil, it could be your hormones that are the issue.

Another thing I noticed is you are using many different products within a few months. These products you are using are full of chemicals and can stripthe skin of its natural oils, causing you to produce more oil and sebum, which then becomes blackheads, whiteheads, etc. I suggest using organic, natural products. I know you mentioned money as a concern, but not all organic products are expensive! Coupons are available to.

In regards to your scaring, I have found a product that I GUARANTEE will give you results. Look up Acure Skin Brightening Scrub. It's extremely natural, free of parabens, gluten, phthalates, etc. What it does is essentially cause your cells to grow faster, making the cell turnover process much faster. These cells that are scars will be destroyed faster, revealing new clear cells. When I started using this, my post hyperpigmentation marks(which I noticed you have) completely disappeared. I promise you, that if you use it everyday for a week or 2, you will notice AMAZING results. It's only 10 dollars! Please give it a try.

Sorry to hear you're having such a bad time.

Acne is not really a result of diet or bad hygiene or what products you use. It's just your hormones, I'm afraid.

Although it is probably worth cutting out dairy and taking zinc. Do NOT use bloody coconut oil! (I wish people would stop recommending that!) Use gentle products - don't scrub. Don't wash too much. Use avene or la roche posay.

Hope you can get a proper solution soon (accutane, probably given the look of your back).

I would focus on clearing up the active acne before trying to heal the scars.

On 12/30/2015, 10:57:22, greeneyedladyx said:

Hi,

 

I hope I haven't come too late with my help! First of all, I'm sorry that you're suffering with this. It truly is damaging to ones self esteem.I noticed you were mentioninice pick scars really drew the line for you. I don't have severe ice pick scars, butI used to have little indentation scars on my forehead, temples, jaw and chin. I suffer(ed) from body acneas well, I believe it started on myback. It wassevere. It then spread to my chest.. As a woman, it made it so difficult because I couldn't wear any of my blouses, dresses, etc. I can really relate to you too because Isimply tried everything.. I went to the dermo 3 times and tried many different meds. None of them worked, if anything, made it worse. Some of the "gentle" washes turned my face bright red and made my skin feel raw. I went to see a homeopathic doctor and found out I have a dairy and gluten intolerance. I've read thatconsumption of what your body can't tolerate will cause your body to push it out in a sense, and result in acne. My point is, do you know if you have any allergies? You don't have to go to a doctor to find out if you do, keep a journal and account if you break out specially after ingesting a certain foods.

 

I highly suggest fish oil and primrose oil, it could be your hormones that are the issue.

 

Another thing I noticed is you are using many different products within a few months. These products you are using are full of chemicals and can stripthe skin of its natural oils, causing you to produce more oil and sebum, which then becomes blackheads, whiteheads, etc. I suggest using organic, natural products. I know you mentioned money as a concern, but not all organic products are expensive! Coupons are available to.

 

In regards to your scaring, I have found a product that I GUARANTEE will give you results. Look up Acure Skin Brightening Scrub. It's extremely natural, free of parabens, gluten, phthalates, etc. What it does is essentially cause your cells to grow faster, making the cell turnover process much faster. These cells that are scars will be destroyed faster, revealing new clear cells. When I started using this, my post hyperpigmentation marks(which I noticed you have) completely disappeared. I promise you, that if you use it everyday for a week or 2, you will notice AMAZING results. It's only 10 dollars! Please give it a try.

 

 

First of all, thank you for stopping by to post! I've still been using Acne.org, and if anything, my acne has only gotten worse. It blows knowing the one regiment I thought would help just hasn't done nearly anything for about two and a half months now. As far as my acne, my cheeks have just gotten worse with more ice pick scars and bumps, etc, and redness all over, cysts on my chin. I'm not allergic to anything that I know of, so I'm thinking it's just crazy hormones. I wish that were a sign that I'm still growing, honestly. I already take fish oil, and zinc, so I'm not sure what else to do.

I would give each regiment about 2 months worth of a try and it would do nothing or I'd see my acne go worse.

That sounds like a good idea, I'll try that I think. It says there's also a Night Cream by the same company, do you think that would be wise to use, too?

On 12/31/2015, 11:30:40, LeftRidingCropInMortuary said:

Sorry to hear you're having such a bad time.

Acne is not really a result of diet or bad hygiene or what products you use. It's just your hormones, I'm afraid.

Although it is probably worth cutting out dairy and taking zinc. Do NOT use bloody coconut oil! (I wish people would stop recommending that!) Use gentle products - don't scrub. Don't wash too much. Use avene or la roche posay.

Hope you can get a proper solution soon (accutane, probably given the look of your back).

I would focus on clearing up the active acne before trying to heal the scars.

Thank you, it's nice to have some support.

I'm in agreement.

I take zinc and have been for about 3 months now. I scrub very gently and this also contradicts the advice of greeneyedladyx, can you tell me why?

I would try accutane, but so many people have posted here about the plentiful bad side-effects.

That would make sense, but these are active scars, and if I do nothing, it'll be so much harder to heal them later.

Bump.

I just don't get why there isn't a proper cure for acne till now! They don't think this it as an 'importantissue' and consider us'beauty conscious'. I mean SERIOUSLY? I hadn't touched makeup, creams or face washes untilI started having acne. They're all like "Come on, Its just pimples! BIG DEAL! Just go to a dermatologist! Problem solved!" They can build rockets, sent people to the moon, but THEY CANT CURE ACNE!