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No, no BP, no acids of any kind. I was using Carley's Cleanser and it has BP in it. Richard Huber said it would hinder the effectiveness of the drops. I also stopped my Paula's Choice BHA 2%. I use nothing except the 302 cleanser (am/pm), 302 drops (pm), Karin Herzog Essential Mask (3 x weekly) and Vita A Kombi 3 (am). If I feel dry, I use hazelnut oil for moisturizer. Any moisturizer without vitamins or acids in it should be ok. The 302 company is coming out with a moisturizer and vitamin A product soon. I may switch over when I get those products. I initially had a couple small breakouts after starting the cleanser, but have since cleared up totally. I haven't broken out since and seems my oil production is down too.If you break out alot, you may want to look into Oxylight, it's a ultraviolet device that zaps pimples dead in a day or two. Somebody on this forum said she had used it and it worked for her.
Nancy
Yet another day and still my skin keeps getting better and better. This is unbelievable. I don't know what has been working (it must be this). I had an 11 hour hard days work shift today and after coming off of it my skin remains flawlessly even-toned and non-blotchy. I have NEVER experienced this success before with any product I have ever tried. Anyway, I start incorporating the "A-Booster tonight into my regimen. I just know things are going to keep getting better and better. If this improvement lasts, as well as additional improvement in scar filling, I will use this for life and nothing else ever again!
Nancy,I'm 20 yrs old and no longer have any acne because I used accutane about a year ago. I have a few scars left on my face and I am really eager to get rid off it. I just want to know about the BP because people say they get outbreak while using the cleanser, so just want to be safe and sure. And about the moisturizer, is it really necessary because I really don't know how to use one. About your Vita A Kombi 3, where do you buy it, and how do you use it, and what is it for? and the same for Karin Herzog Essential Mask.
Thank you very much
Glenn
I've been using the 302 cleanser and drops for a week now and find it satisfactory so far. I am using elidel in combo on my scars and the beurer soft laser occasionally too. I emailed Richard asking if this was alright last week but he seems to be swamped with emails so no word yet.
If you have dry skin the cleanser may be a bit drying, since it's winter, my skin is on the flaky side but I still will get breakouts However, I haven't had irritation with the protein drops and only one little zit since starting a week ago. I think it does tighten the skin initially, however I can't say the scars have filled after just a week, only a little tightening. For some strange reason I did have a problem with my eyes watering alot the first few days of usage, wondering if the smell wasn't irritating them. The smell is kind of strong but not bad. I have allergies to a lot of perfumes so wondering if that was a problem. Maybe I've adapted to it now.
OK,
I'll bite. I'm hesistant to post this so soon, but for ME and only ME, I have seen my icepicks and rolling scars filling in. I did not have seriously deep scars to begin with. However, there was one large rolling scar near my nose from high school which is starting to look like it's filling in. It's been there for over 30 years probably and I've had peels, cooltouch laser, collagen fillers done to it and even TCA Cross too, but it's always returned. My little icepicks are starting to close in nicely. I've got a couple of other soft rolling scars that have not responded as well yet, but they are really ancient too.
CAVEAT: I'm only in my 3rd week and this is just my results. I don't want you guys to think it will happen the same way for you. I have been doing alot of things to keep my skin in good shape, so it wasn't too bad to begin with.
As for all the other posters, I don't know what's going on. But I have seen continued improvement with my use of the 302 cleanser and drops and Karin Herzog. I have not had serious breakouts from it yet. My skin is firm, thicker appearing, clearer looking and the scars are filling in slowly.
Nancy
I have not really seen improvement in my scars. I have been using it for nearly a month now I think, not exactly sure. I had breakouts that just kept getting worse and worse, so I began topical antibiotics last night. I have not used antibiotics in 10 years for my acne. But since I can't use BHA's with this I am trying to give this product a fair trial. I want to follow the instructions for use. For me this has been a roller coaster. First my skin looks good, then it would get blotchy in some places, then it looked like some of my scars were filling in, then 2 days later they looked like before. The redness and shadowing from the scars seem less and my friends think my skin looks good except for the breakouts. However my best friend said yesterday, "What happened to your eyes? They have wrinkles! I have never seen you with wrinkles". (Crows feet) I am 50 and believe me this was not something I wanted to hear!!! I believe the cleanser is the problem. I have given it a fair trial and it just makes me breakout. I went back to my normal cleanser last night and applied the antibiotic and then the protien drops and wow my skin looks so much better. I am going to give this 6 months. My feeling the older you are the longer skin takes to repair. And the more skin damage you have, ie severe scarring the longer too. As long as I am not breaking out, I will add the other products in this line soon. I want to add that with remodeling for new colllagen often the skin will get worse looking as old proteins break down and new proteins build.The skin is layered and the repair can be on several different layers at one time. In older skins this can appear as wrinkling at first. I have seen this effect in copper peptides,AHA's ie glycolics, and even with other retinoids. So I will wait and see.
The drops give an initial tightening, like shinking of the pores.This is a nice effect but if you are oily like me it does not last. There are 2 small pits that I have been watching more closely and it appears there are some changes in debth, but this could be I am just getting used to looking at them . Now a postive is I had a mole removed from my nose 2 months ago and there was some red scar tissue, not normal healing tissue. This was a scar and the drops have nearly changed that to normal tissue, just a tiny tiny spot left to heal. You can't even see where the mole was razored off. I love that because I was told there would be a scar.
Ok sorry for the long post.
Shyana
They susually recommend 90 days minimum before an improvement starts to show on the pits. The treatment cleanser is supposed to provide a pathway for the drops to migrate into your skin. I think it's too early to judge results now. Please be patient and hang in there. I have such high hopes that this product will work for all of us!
BTW, Shyana, Richard did say some people are "tough nuts" and resist improvement. This is when he invites those to his clinic to have ultrasound and blue light to better activate the effects of the products. I wonder if he would ever travel somewhere in the southeast to do this.
Shyana, the following information was taken directly from their website:
Acne Scars
AaA Introduce 302 regime as per 4 Step Introduction Instructions
AaA After one month, introduce products from Vitamin A family (e.g. AvageAazA, RenovaAazA, Retin-AAazA, TarzacAazA, Retinaldehyde, Retinol, Retinyl Palmitate, etc.) once or twice weekly. Can be alternated weekly with products from Vitamin B family (nicotinamide, niacinamide, Nia-DyneAazA). Products with peptides provide AaAmakeupAa? but are not functional in repair. Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Vitamin K products are not helpful.
AaA Occasional light peels, microdermabrasion are fine
AaA Laser or light therapy may also be helpful
AaA Avoid ALL acid based take home products (no glycolic, salicylic, lactic, etc.)
AaA Recovery varies, noticeable changes occur over 90 days in most cases
I just purchased the Cleanser and Drops even though its really not in my budget.. Im just a sucker for products..
As far as Moisturizers.. I have Hazelnut oil with Clarifying Synergy... Nancy do you think it will be ok to use this with the dropS? And doesnt Hazelnut oil contain Oleic acid or something? Are these Acids bad to use with the drops?
Another question.. I want to continue using Epidermx 2 to 3 times a week you think it would be safe to put the drops on after an epidermx? Or should i alternate, meaning not use the drops when i epidermx?...
Any help woul be great... God, im just a sucker for these products..
I just purchased the Cleanser and Drops even though its really not in my budget.. Im just a sucker for products..
As far as Moisturizers.. I have Hazelnut oil with Clarifying Synergy... Nancy do you think it will be ok to use this with the dropS? And doesnt Hazelnut oil contain Oleic acid or something? Are these Acids bad to use with the drops?
Another question.. I want to continue using Epidermx 2 to 3 times a week you think it would be safe to put the drops on after an epidermx? Or should i alternate, meaning not use the drops when i epidermx?...
Any help woul be great... God, im just a sucker for these products..