44 minutes ago, Wish we could go back in time said:

So which treatments are safe to assume the results are permanent? Only subcision and tca cross?

These are the treatments which have been proven to work and the improvement is permament. Combine subcision with suction or filler for optimal cosmetic result.

21 hours ago, Danny562 said:

Preparatory enzyme peel, phenol test spot, phenol Cross, superficial and mid-layer subcision +lightening cream, my total for all of this is $3,225.

He isn't the most affordable dermatologist out there but I do notregret my decision. I also can't knock his hustle. I work as an independent contractor and your maingoal is to extract as much money as possible from your client while delivering satisfactory results. "If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense."

Get your personal finances in order, save up some money and pay him a visit or simply go somewhere else. He isn't the only oneproviding these types of services.

 

That's not a whole lot more than what you pay with other LA doctors. But still the marketing team working for Dr Hazany is top notch."Overpromise, overpromise".

On 8/4/2021 at 11:36 PM, JaysonC said:

About the amazing improvement on day 0 one thing- post procedural swelling!

Anyway, quick recovery and good results from the treatment!

Oh yeah. I would give my pinky for abottle of micro swelling. After years of treatments, Irealize more and more the true impact thatmicro swelling can have on the appearance / visibilityof some scarsfor sometimes up to weeks.

1 hour ago, Catharsis2018 said:

Oh yeah. I would give my pinky for abottle of micro swelling. After years of treatments, Irealize more and more the true impact thatmicro swelling can have on the appearance / visibilityof some scarsfor sometimes up to weeks.

Yeah if you get co2 laser or the deep phenol peel the microswelling lasts for 2-3months or more. Ask any honest dermatologist, they will tell you.

3 hours ago, Catharsis2018 said:

Oh yeah. I would give my pinky for abottle of micro swelling. After years of treatments, Irealize more and more the true impact thatmicro swelling can have on the appearance / visibilityof some scarsfor sometimes up to weeks.

After my bloody fractional CO2 treatment that took about a week for the scabs to come off, I swear most of my scars looked 75% better. That number dipped to about 15% after the swelling resolved.

2 hours ago, JaysonC said:

Yeah if you get co2 laser or the deep phenol peel the microswelling lasts for 2-3months or more. Ask any honest dermatologist, they will tell you.

The doctor I went to told me to not get too excited about my results right after the treatment. She was honest and said that each treatment would result in about a 10% improvement. She said I could see more than that but to not set my expectations to something unreasonable. That's what her patients see on average. 10% isn't much when you consider the cost of the treatment, but I appreciate the honesty.

11 minutes ago, Amanda Hall said:

After my bloody fractional CO2 treatment that took about a week for the scabs to come off, I swear most of my scars looked 75% better. That number dipped to about 15% after the swelling resolved.

 

The doctor I went to told me to not get too excited about my results right after the treatment. She was honest and said that each treatment would result in about a 10% improvement. She said I could see more than that but to not set my expectations to something unreasonable. That's what her patients see on average. 10% isn't much when you consider the cost of the treatment, but I appreciate the honesty.

The cost and the possible side effects which you can suffer from for months. But at least she was honest and upfront about it. You proceed with the treatment with eyes fully open. She seems to know what she's doing with lasers and not overpromise. I would go to her rather than those 95% success derms.

10% is still 10% improvement if you are willing to pay for the treatment and are ok with side effects.

14 minutes ago, Danny562 said:

I have been applying Clindamycin to the big zit underneath my large scar. It should fade away in about a week in a half. Besides that, the procedure went well. My face is back to normal, the swelling went away but the bruising is still there(should fade away in about a week also). I am due for Scupltra on the 30th of August. As far as improvement percentages goes, who the fuck knows(30,50,70%...you pick one). All I know is my face looks alot better.

Hazany was judge negatively without any actual evidence. Here is proof he isn't ripping people off. 

Sorry to break it to you but  microswelling after TL subcision lasts for months so what you see now are not definite results. Hope you get these later though!

And the big zit which you got is a complication. It shouldn't have happened. It doesn't happen if the procedure is performed correctly.

9 minutes ago, Danny562 said:

I never got deep-layer subcision(Taylor Liberator). Superficial and mid-layer subcision (25-gauge and 22-gauge cannula) is what I received.

Are you seriously going to label a zit on my facea "complication" IT'S A FUCKING ZIT. They come and go bro. You can notdeny the fact that my face looks alot better. Getting proven wrong feels bad (your shit talking backfired) so I get it. You should kick rocks just like Sirius Lee, you fucking internet wannabe expert. Where are you clients and their results.

When people who have already had the treatmentshare their experience it's not the worst idea to listen even if you wish things to be different. You had your treatment when exactly? On Thuesday, 5 days ago? With cannula subcision you are micro swollen for 2 weeks minimum mate. And yes, the zit after subcision s a complication, someone didn't meet the necessary hygene standards.

10 minutes ago, Danny562 said:

Even if I do have micro swelling, are you seriously going to deny the improvementI achieved? The proof is there.

I have zits on my forehead and Hazanydidn't go no where near it. Could it be because I exercise and sweat, instead of improper "hygiene standards" like you assume to be true without any actual evidence. His office's arevery clean.I've actually been in them unlike you.

Ok, you had amazing improvement with Hazany, 5 days after the subcision while you still have visible bruising you can already tell it's going to be like 95% and nothing less. You are right, please excuse my ignorance!

46 minutes ago, Danny562 said:

95%? I was thinking more 200% improvement, LOL. We all know judgment on improvement could subjective so there is no point in trying to give it a number percentage wise.

I can read in between the lines so I am going to leave it at that andcontinue posting updates as time goes by. Wish me luck, nevermind you sound like a bitch.I cantell what kind of person you are by the way you speak about someone without any actual proof (a good example, Dr Hazany). You talked alot of shit with no facts to back up your claims.

You want proof?? Ask anybody who's had aggressive subcision and they'll tell you. First week or two the scars are lifted because of microswelling. Mate, don't deceive the forum with your 'amazing' resultsjust because you want to feel justified to have taken the right choice with Hazany.

I would like to ask others what they feel about the above pic. what do you think? Does the "after" look better or worse than the "before"? In my eyes, although the lighting is different, it actually looks better. The scar borders appear softer and the overall skin texture looks less lumpy. Not saying it's perfect, but better than before.

9 minutes ago, Sirius Lee said:

 

I would like to ask others what they feel about the above pic. what do you think? Does the "after" look better or worse than the "before"? In my eyes, although the lighting is different, it actually looks better. The scar borders appear softer and the overall skin texture looks less lumpy. Not saying it's perfect, but better than before.

 

I wanted to stay out of this very entertaining thread but yeah the after looks better

5 hours ago, Danny562 said:

I'm not is trying to deceive anyone here. I posted some pictures to show my progress and wanted to letpeople know Dr Hazany got a bad rap for no reason (go back and read it again). I also mentioned my procedure isn't finished (Scupltra on 30th) so the results are not final. You should read more carefully next time before giving your opinion.

Right, taking an after on day 0 and day 5 while you're still mega swollen and bruised shows legitimate progress.

4 minutes ago, acknee4life said:

I wanted to stay out of this very entertaining thread but yeah the after looks better

Well, I prefer to stay out as well, but the following post made me reconsider. I don't see what he's talking about. The "after" looks so much better than "before".

On 8/4/2021 at 7:51 PM, Danny562 said:

By the way, you are the same person whomade a side by side comparison with my before afterpictures. Claiming my TCA Cross and I quote "Looks pretty damn good for 1 treatment" when in reality it look like shit and my face was made worse. If I would have listen to you I would have fuck my face up even worse by getting another TCA cross. I got better results with Hazany.

Was all of this back and forth even necessary? Are we not allowed to have a discussion or say positive thingsabout other doctors who aren't Lim, Rullan, etc? Yes, his results are premature, but all this hostility is beyond unnecessary and only discourages people from posting updates/results. None of this isproductive, we're ultimately just trying to see what works and what doesn't work, not shoot people down for being excited. Do we even have mods on here anymore?

Just now, LivingWithFaith said:

Was all of this back and forth even necessary? Are we not allowed to have a discussion about other doctors who aren't Lim, Rullan, etc? Yes, his results are premature, but all this hostility is beyond unnecessary and only discourages people from posting updates/results. None of this isproductive, we're ultimately just trying to see what works and what doesn't work, not shoot people down for being excited. Do we even have mods on here anymore?

There's no hostility here, he's being made to understand the reality and the disingenuous claims of 95% or 100% improvement in 5 days is being busted. The simple fact is that it is very easy to mislead people with acne scars and a lot of people buy into this.

35 minutes ago, Danny562 said:

Both of those picture are after my TCA cross. The first one isn't a before. It is an after picture. If you don't believe, look at my post. You fucked up and compared the wrong pictures. I am posting actual before and after pictures 

Well, how about if we let the jury decide.

I still believe the "after" (in the original pair that I've posted) looks better than the "before" you're posting now. Here's the updated comparison to reflect the difference.

What do you think? Does it look better or worse?

For those who are interested in where these pics are from, you can find them here:

21 minutes ago, Danny562 said:

Both of those picture are after my TCA cross. The first one isn't a before. It is an after picture. If you don't believe, look at my post. You fucked up and compared the wrong pictures. I am posting actual before and after pictures 

You just said my face was micro swollen, now it's mega swollen? Make up your mind bro. 

I'm writing this with no desire to pick up an argument or to give you the feeling that anybody is 'jumping' on you.

I read your thread about your tca cross treatment and can see that both photos are taken 'after' but with a 3 month time span in between - this makes a hell of a lot of difference! You assess too early mate. 5 or 8 days post op is not the best time to look at the scars. Wait at least until month 3. You'll have a much realistic idea and it's in your best interest too - you won't write off treatments which actually might help.

If Hazany helped, keep seeing him. My initial thought was the amount of money he charged was too much for his treatment. If he charges so much more than Rullan, then it doesn't make sense to me why someone would see him. Rullan has done Phenol Cross much longer and is also very experienced with subcision. But we all have our reasons. It could be a great environment, location, comfort with the doctor, or belief that he can get you the results that he did with other patients. More power to you.The problem for most of us is that if a doctor charges too much, you really can't get too many repeat treatments because of something called saving up for the future.

I wish you the best. I hope I wasn't too negative about Hazany and his skills. I was just blown away by the pricing for something that is much lower just a few hours down south.

On 7/27/2021 at 8:35 PM, downinthedms said:

 

He is likely pricier than most other doctors treating acne scarring but I would highly recommend saving up if you don't have the money and going to him instead of getting ineffective treatments from other doctors like I did in the past that may even scar your face further or worse, disfigure you. You DO NOT want doctors without specialized knowledge and extensive qualifications touching your face with needles or lasers. It is a mistake I made in the past if I can help even one person here avoid it, I will feel like I have given back to the community.

 

Thank you so much for the post. I'm thinking about getting subcision myself for my rolling scars. Can you share or DM me how much he charges for subcision alone?

On 7/27/2021 at 11:35 PM, downinthedms said:

(First two pics are before, last pic is after)

Hi,

I have had severe acne since I was a teenager. After visits to multiple dermatologists, my acne was finally solved by a dermatologist who put me on a full course of accutane. However, I was left with severe atrophic boxcar, rolling and icepick type scarring by then. Most dermatologists do not treat acne scarring and even if they do they cannot effectively treat acne scarring so I came to this forum looking for a solution. A user named beautifulambition was active on this forum at that time and had a recommended list of doctors which included Dr. Davin Lim in Australia and Dr. Rullan in San Diego. Since I was in North America, I went to Dr. Rullan approximately 3.5 years ago to perform subcision. While he was cheap at the time and only charged me 300-400$ for the subcision, he actually made my scarring WORSE so I actually have no idea why he is still one of the most recommended doctors on this forum. However, seems like there are some users on here who have had good results with him (or so they say). Regardless, after that I basically stopped trying to treat my acne scars because I thought that most of the people on this forum (and otherwise) were shills for the doctors (turns out some were in fact shills) and I really could not find REAL evidence of anyone having successfully treated acne scars to the extent that I would want if I was paying for additional treatment. 

As luck would have it, around 2 months ago I came across a Reddit post that showed an amazing subcision before after. As usual, I was skeptical given my previous experiences and the fact that lighting tricks can be used to significantly enhance before afters as far as acne scars are concerned (which is what many doctors are doing). However, I contacted the user and she verified that result was in fact real. I started researching the doctor she mentioned and came across his website. For the first time in my research, I found pictures as well as videographic evidence of amazing acne scar before afters. This combined with the fact that the user verified her experience helped me confirm that the doctor's results were actually real and not doctored images. I came to this forum to search for the doctor's name and could find nothing about him so I was utterly shocked as to why he is not recommended on this forum.

If there is one thing you can take from this story so far is that you should not trust anyone, including this post and do your own research before choosing a doctor. The best MARKETERS are NOT the best DOCTORS. For a doctor to successfully treat acne scarring, he/she has to have experience in not only dermatology but also surgery. As you can imagine, finding doctors with both these specializations is extremely hard. Add to that the fact that if there is a doctor with both these specializations, why would he spend his time treating acne scars? It doesn't pay as much as other specialized surgery.

Now, coming to the reason I made this post, I wanted to put Dr. Salar Hazany on the map for this community. The only reason I can think of that he is not as recommended on this forum is that he is relatively expensive and does not have as good marketing as some other doctors mentioned on this forum. The following are the treatments I did with him:

• Phenol Cross
• 3-layer subcision (deep, medium and superficial layers)
• Sculptra

Here is the website for those who want to find out more and see more before afters of the results he has given his patients:  http://www.hazanyderm.com/

He is likely pricier than most other doctors treating acne scarring but I would highly recommend saving up if you don't have the money and going to him instead of getting ineffective treatments from other doctors like I did in the past that may even scar your face further or worse, disfigure you. You DO NOT want doctors without specialized knowledge and extensive qualifications touching your face with needles or lasers. It is a mistake I made in the past if I can help even one person here avoid it, I will feel like I have given back to the community. 

Again, I am NOT a shill (check my post history to confirm the facts I have posted above), but please do your own research before choosing a doctor including the one I just recommended.

Attached to this post is a before after (first two pics are before, last pic is after) of my right cheek and as you can see I have a darker skin type so I am still hyperpigmented from the treatment but hyperpigmentation goes with time, scars do not. The difference in my atrophic scars is night and day as can be seen. 

I am extremely happy with the treatments and he is worth every cent!

Happy to answer questions and best of luck to everyone trying to treat their acne scars!

Sculptra is not a perm. filler

Great results! How much do you pay in total

I want everyone to watch this video: https://www.acne.org/forums/topic/388320-dr-h-consult-blunt-cannula-is-a-joke/

How much sculptradid you get?

On 8/21/2021 at 5:22 PM, Danny562 said:

In case somebody was wondering how my progress was going... so far everything is going well.The majority of my brusing has gone away and the swelling isn't noticeable. I really hope Scupltra fills in these scars well enough so they are not as noticeable.

Sculptra doesn™t work like that. Sculptra works best for overall volume loss, if you™re able to pull the skin and the scars seem like they œdisappear then sculptra might be beneficial. But your scars look like box scars. 

Just now, Acnescarssuck123 said:

Sculptra doesn™t work like that. Sculptra works best for overall volume loss, if you™re able to pull the skin and the scars seem like they œdisappear then sculptra might be beneficial. But your scars look like box scars. 

Also would like to add that your scars are not bad at all! I wouldn™t stress it if I were you. 

12 hours ago, Danny562 said:

O resimlerde hi§ Sculptra almad±m. 

°ÅŸte 9/10/21'de Scupltra'y± ald±ktan sonra g¼ncellenmiÅŸ baz± fotoŸraflar±m.

TeÅŸekk¼rler!

 Hayat §ok daha k¶t¼ olabilir, bu y¼zden kutsamalar±m± sayacaŸ±m ve ilerlemeye devam edeceŸim

Bu arada, r¶tuÅŸlar i§in Ekim ay±nda Dr Hazany'nin ofisine d¶neceŸim. Bu sonu§lar nihai deŸildir.

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