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9 hours ago, Sibel said:Miro yes Emil is still in Odense. Just moving to a different location.
Harry yes he told me also about this new machine and that he was going to use it in future. He did not offer it to me because he wants to learn it more first. Which is nice.
You were treated at "old" clinic or he already moved to new building ?
On 6/25/2019 at 3:56 AM, SimpleMutton said:That doesn't surprise me LOL
I have no idea why dr Chu was even advised on this board to begin with, I had a negative experience with him and the same is true for a lot of people I talked with on here and through PM.
He offers the same three treatments to everybody and all three are performed in an incorrect way.
The microneedling is useless, I mean we can do it ourselves at home.....no need to have him perform it, but anyway he also does it in a useless way. He does the dermapen before subcision LOL, but since most scars are tethered it's all futile. He should do the subcision first and then the microneedling to stimulate collagen but he does the opposite for reasons I can't understand. Microneedling can't improve tethered scars, not even in the slightest. Indeed the only effect you'll have with the dermapen is a textural improvement that you could achieve yourself with the Derminator at home.
The subcision is done only with a Nokor when instead a cannula should be used whenever possible to reduce risks of side effects. Moreover he doesn't put anything in between (he doesn't believe in fillers) and only subcisea couple of scars and in a rushed way.
The TCA cross is done, again, in an incorrect way. He's very rushed, missing the majority of scars (again LOL) and isn't accurate at all. The acid barely touches the scar andhe immediately wash it off (ie neutralize) after 3 seconds....but why he neutralizes it? TCA is self neutralizing.
Indeed I got no results whatsoever. Didn't even get scabs. Dr Emil doesn't neutralize the TCA and indeed now I got scabs and the scars improved. It's not a coincidence.
Tbh I'm still quite angry because I lost precious money and time with him. I don't know why he was advised on here.
My advice? Go to dr Emil in Denmark. Acne scars is a specialized field and very few doctors can actually treat them.
Very accurate comment. I can relate to it. Even though I did have some textural improvement which in my case is a lot, I didn't get substantial improvement on the bigger scars. I had to politely suggest to him that he performs subcision on them and he agreed. Otherwise he would just subcise one or two. Anyway, a bit disappointing but still he is a good specialist and has helped a lot of patients.
Hello all,
thank you for sharing your experience with Dr. Emil. From what I read, you all seen to speak very highly of him, that gives me hope as I have a lot of scars :(( I wanted to ask you if anyone has had any adverse reactions to the fillers that Dr. Emil uses, or to fillers in general?
A bit about me. I've got a lot of scars. all kinds. I've done the package treatment with Dr. Chu with minimal results. So far I've stayed away from fillers mainly because I've trusted Dr. Chu who is so firmly against them. He says they can cause adverse reactions meaning they can get bigger/inflamed and cause more scarring (in some cases). The second reason is that when injecting a filler you don't allow collagen to grow abd fill up the scar so that you'll need to inject fillers for life for permanent results.
Right now I'll take a temporary improvement with open arms if the chances of adverse reactions are small.
9 hours ago, NuageBlanche said:Hello all,
thank you for sharing your experience with Dr. Emil. From what I read, you all seen to speak very highly of him, that gives me hope as I have a lot of scars :(( I wanted to ask you if anyone has had any adverse reactions to the fillers that Dr. Emil uses, or to fillers in general?
A bit about me. I've got a lot of scars. all kinds. I've done the package treatment with Dr. Chu with minimal results. So far I've stayed away from fillers mainly because I've trusted Dr. Chu who is so firmly against them. He says they can cause adverse reactions meaning they can get bigger/inflamed and cause more scarring (in some cases). The second reason is that when injecting a filler you don't allow collagen to grow abd fill up the scar so that you'll need to inject fillers for life for permanent results.
Right now I'll take a temporary improvement with open arms if the chances of adverse reactions are small.
Hi NuageBlanche, who is it that you said that filler did not create collagen?
Because since I'm on this forum, I see that people are saying the opposite.
So who to believe?
In addition, I have never seen a post where people who have done the subcision to the end (at least 4, 5 times) and who say that the results are final ... I ask myself questions because I also I have a lot of scars and I will see Dr. Emil soon. Have you had results with the subcision?
I'm afraid of making a mistake and it makes my scars worse ...
How do we know if subcision is done for us please?
On 11/2/2019 at 1:04 AM, Lili72 said:Hi NuageBlanche, who is it that you said that filler did not create collagen?
Because since I'm on this forum, I see that people are saying the opposite.
So who to believe?
In addition, I have never seen a post where people who have done the subcision to the end (at least 4, 5 times) and who say that the results are final ... I ask myself questions because I also I have a lot of scars and I will see Dr. Emil soon. Have you had results with the subcision?
I'm afraid of making a mistake and it makes my scars worse ...
How do we know if subcision is done for us please?
Hi Lili
I understand your worries very well. I am the same. I have had procedures that made my skin worse ( Dr. Anil and a laser trearment) and now I am extremely apprehensive when it comes to complications.
All I know about the fillers not being an option is from Professor Chu. He told me a story of a patient who had fillers and something went wrong and she ended upwith a lump for life ( it was a permanent filler). He says that fillers basically defeat the purpose of scar correction bc they are just a temporary solution and being in place don't allow for collagen to form in the treated scars. I don't know. So far I've trusted him. After all he is known to be one of the best scar specialists worldwide.
As for the subcision. Yes I've had results with areas that were tethered down. They elevated ok after 1-2 subcisions, but some other atrophic scars didn't improve much. I wonder if it is because Chu uses nokor needles and no canula??
Where have you seen people saying they are satisfied with fillers here? Can you please give me the links? Are they patients of Dr. Emil?
I don't know I am beginning to lose faith a little :(( I read all those positive results from the 1 and the 2nd treatment and then people just disappear :(( So I guess they are not very happy with the results.
I would really love to read something from the people from this tread if they have the time to write a few lines. In my sitiation I have to travel to Dr. Emil to get treated. Have to sacrifice my holiday and spend a lot of money. I really don't know if it's worth all the stress :((
On 11/2/2019 at 1:04 AM, Lili72 said:Hi NuageBlanche, who is it that you said that filler did not create collagen?
Because since I'm on this forum, I see that people are saying the opposite.
So who to believe?
In addition, I have never seen a post where people who have done the subcision to the end (at least 4, 5 times) and who say that the results are final ... I ask myself questions because I also I have a lot of scars and I will see Dr. Emil soon. Have you had results with the subcision?
I'm afraid of making a mistake and it makes my scars worse ...
How do we know if subcision is done for us please?
But if you are worried about subcision alone I wouldn't be in your place - in the hands if an experienced dermatologist it is a safe and one of the most effective for scars procedures. I've had a small lump from subcision once but I massaged it and it disappeared. I have also had extensive bleeding and bruising too because I was on blood thinning agents but it was all ok in the end. So if you are only worried about subcision alone without fillers I would say give it a go. I trust Dr. Emil knowd what he's doing with the needle.
Hi NuageBlanche,
I have not found a specific post. I had seen some information here and there on this forum. As you say, people start a post, they say they have results but after they leave and do not update anymore, it's a shame. But I know that moderators and some dermatologists recommend filler with subcision. They say that it allows the scar not to attach and that it helps to create collagen. So I do not know who's right and who's wrong. BA had a great post, where he put together all the successful leads and where he gathered a lot of studies that attest to that fact. Studies also say that it helps. By cons I can not find this post that was great. Does anyone have the link please?
And yes, permanent filler are another matter. They are indelible, so you have to be very careful. It is almost always necessary to start with temporary filler before embarking on the permanent because we may regret it.
I am thinking about seeing Dr Emil next year. Does anyone who's had treatments with him know what kind of laser he uses? Also, does he do steroid drip or injections? I didn't see this listed on hiswebsite, but I guess all derms should be able to do this, shouldn't they? For some raised scarring.
Hi JenSteli,
I think it's possible that Dr. Eis doesthese things. But to be sure, call his office or send an email. You will find his coordinates on his site.
Regarding lasers, it seems to me that he practices a little bit of everything (CO2, erbium, q-switch, etc).
Keep us in touch ;-).
33 minutes ago, Lili72 said:Hi JenSteli,
I think it's possible that Dr. Eis doesthese things. But to be sure, call his office or send an email. You will find his coordinates on his site.Regarding lasers, it seems to me that he practices a little bit of everything (CO2, erbium, q-switch, etc).
Keep us in touch ;-).
Thanks Lili72 I've already gotten a list of Dr. Emil's lasers...oh boy, does he have many LOL. I will share if I do treatment with Dr. Emil.
Pls do. I'm also interested in dr emil. He's praised as one of the best dr in Europe. Yet when it comes to results you find only abandoned threads and small improvement. Don't know if it's worth the time and money to see him...
13 hours ago, NuageBlanche said:Pls do. I'm also interested in dr emil. He's praised as one of the best dr in Europe. Yet when it comes to results you find only abandoned threads and small improvement. Don't know if it's worth the time and money to see him...
Puh Don't say that . He's my only hope here in Europe...
Guys i see Dr Emil five times ! Such a nIce guys really !! He have try everything on me! ( tca cross, erbium,co2, laser q switch,plexr ,3 type of subcsion and fillers)
but honestly the improvement was not what I expect, tca cross and subcsion help me to the acne scars but the rest Im not sure and Im sure that createother scars But I am the only responsable because I ask the dr to try this combination and he take the risk
Actualy i treat my scars in India and for the first time I can say yess I can have improvement with laser without pih
3 hours ago, neofox said:Guys i see Dr Emil five times ! Such a nIce guys really !! He have try everything on me! ( tca cross, erbium,co2, laser q switch,plexr ,3 type of subcsion and fillers)
but honestly the improvement was not what I expect, tca cross and subcsion help me to the acne scars but the rest Im not sure and Im sure that createother scars But I am the only responsable because I ask the dr to try this combination and he take the risk
Actualy i treat my scars in India and for the first time I can say yess I can have improvement with laser without pih
I did 2 subcisions with filler, so far so good, there are results, no side effects .
I have questions :
How did TCA worked for you ? Did your scars got wider ?
Which type of treatment did create new scar for you ? Laser ?
On 11/5/2019 at 1:06 AM, Lili72 said:Hi NuageBlanche,
I have not found a specific post. I had seen some information here and there on this forum. As you say, people start a post, they say they have results but after they leave and do not update anymore, it's a shame. But I know that moderators and some dermatologists recommend filler with subcision. They say that it allows the scar not to attach and that it helps to create collagen. So I do not know who's right and who's wrong. BA had a great post, where he put together all the successful leads and where he gathered a lot of studies that attest to that fact. Studies also say that it helps. By cons I can not find this post that was great. Does anyone have the link please?
And yes, permanent filler are another matter. They are indelible, so you have to be very careful. It is almost always necessary to start with temporary filler before embarking on the permanent because we may regret it.
I red studies on internet some time ago claiming that subcsion needs to be done with filler, and even when filler depletes scars almost never return back as they were but they are in better shape, at least thats what i red .
23 minutes ago, Miro said:I did 2 subcisions with filler, so far so good, there are results, no side effects .
I have questions :
How did TCA worked for you ? Did your scars got wider ?
Which type of treatment did create new scar for you ? Laser ?
I red studies on internet some time ago claiming that subcsion needs to be done with filler, and even when filler depletes scars almost never return back as they were but they are in better shape, at least thats what i red .
About tca, the scars was no deep like beginning, so for me its an improvement but after 4 session I have see a result.
Erbium laser , the skin texture and some scars war bad than before , maybe the settings was not good or the combination with other skills was a risk to damage the skin
@Mirodid you see immediate results with subcision plus filler with Dr Emil? How long would you say it takes before the fillers dissolve? Also, congrats on getting results from the procedures!
34 minutes ago, NuageBlanche said:@Mirodid you see immediate results with subcision plus filler with Dr Emil? How long would you say it takes before the fillers dissolve? Also, congrats on getting results from the procedures!
Yes of course, its sub + filler so skin is more plumped up, swelling goes down after 14 days , at least in my case, I d say u have to wait 2 months for complet healing , after 3 months u can say what it did for your scars, thats just my exp.
I did 1st subc in june 15th if i remeber it correctly then after 3 and half months 2nd in october. I saw improvement after 1st , after 2nd i think i can see more improvement ( i am almost 2 and half month after 2nd subc now ).
It did improve my rolling scars , i must say i am suprised that they look a lot better , i didnt expect that much after 2 subc., Dr H actually told me, that he thinks i need maybe one more subc or not at all, we gotta move to other treatments.
Icepicks of course didnt react to subc cause subcision is not for Ice pick scars, but i have just few icepicks and they are not very deep.
It did very little for boxcar scars, there s some light improvement , but it needs diff . treatment , subc is for rolling scars, but thats how u begin your journey, release tethered scars.
I think will go to Denmark in april or may, it will be 6 months after 2nd subcsion, I wanna do subcison ( if there are tethered scars ) combined with genius microneedling RF, but i ll see what doctor will suggest.
I wanted to 6 peels with 15% TCA, once per month, beginning one month after 2nd subc, but i am going on holiday to Asia in february , so i decided not to do it.
@Miro thank you very much for sharing about your subcisions. I'll know what to expect. So far I've only had subcision alone so subcision plus filler will be new to me.
You had your subcisions with Dr H or with Dr Emil? I will be seeing Dr. Emil as well. I was very impressed with Dr Emil from his videos with Dr. Lim 
Subcision plus filler and Genius RF sounds like a good plan. I've heard a lot of positives about the device from doctors. Btw, I've also heard that patients profit from subcisions even if the scar doesn't seem tethered any more; the more subcisions you get, the better. But I don't know if there is anything to it, really.
As for me, I will be interested in sub plus filler and TCA cross, but we'll see what the doctor will say.
I am also interested in home TCA peels for texture, I even ordered some from MUAC, the 30% TCA, but they say you can easily dilute it to 10% or 15%. As for you, yes, if you're travelling to Asia, it's best not to risk any pigmentation issues after the peels.
1 hour ago, NuageBlanche said:@Miro thank you very much for sharing about your subcisions. I'll know what to expect. So far I've only had subcision alone so subcision plus filler will be new to me.
You had your subcisions with Dr H or with Dr Emil? I will be seeing Dr. Emil as well. I was very impressed with Dr Emil from his videos with Dr. Lim
Subcision plus filler and Genius RF sounds like a good plan. I've heard a lot of positives about the device from doctors. Btw, I've also heard that patients profit from subcisions even if the scar doesn't seem tethered any more; the more subcisions you get, the better. But I don't know if there is anything to it, really.
As for me, I will be interested in sub plus filler and TCA cross, but we'll see what the doctor will say.
I am also interested in home TCA peels for texture, I even ordered some from MUAC, the 30% TCA, but they say you can easily dilute it to 10% or 15%. As for you, yes, if you're travelling to Asia, it's best not to risk any pigmentation issues after the peels.
Sorry , if I write Dr. H I mean Dr Henningsen , that is dr Emil of course , i am sorry if it caused any misunderstanding, I wanna go with Subcison witout filler + RF Microneedling, u dont need filler cause RF will dissolve filler, Dr Weiner and BA claim, that u need to realease tethers before doing Microneedling RF if there are any.
And theres a study in succes stories published by some university - its here on the site - that they did combo treatment, subcison, next day microneedling, and then in two weeks TCA peel 15 % and in another two weeks microneedling again, they repeated it for six months , 50 people, really great results.
Btw I hope Dr Emil will do phenol cross , i am worried about TCA cause it widens scars.
@MiroAa ok, no problem. So Dr Emil is the one you went to. Thanks, I'll look up the study. Even though, microneedling only 2 weeks apart seems not the way it's usually done. Most derms recommend at least 6 weeks, at best 3 months between sessions, because under 6 weeks the skin is supposed to still be remodelling itself and not be reactive. But if the protocol gives good results, it might be worth a try.
As for the phenol cross, I think if Dr. Emil offered it, it would be the best thing!!I followed a discussion on this board some weeks ago and patients of Dr Rullan report it's superior to TCA CROSS because it doesn't temporarily widen the scar. However, apparently the phenol acid is more difficult and unpredictable to handle, it's stronger and most dermatologists prefer to play it safe with tca. On the other hand, tca delivers results too. So the derms opt for tca mostly.
15 hours ago, NuageBlanche said:@MiroAa ok, no problem. So Dr Emil is the one you went to. Thanks, I'll look up the study. Even though, microneedling only 2 weeks apart seems not the way it's usually done. Most derms recommend at least 6 weeks, at best 3 months between sessions, because under 6 weeks the skin is supposed to still be remodelling itself and not be reactive. But if the protocol gives good results, it might be worth a try.
As for the phenol cross, I think if Dr. Emil offered it, it would be the best thing!!I followed a discussion on this board some weeks ago and patients of Dr Rullan report it's superior to TCA CROSS because it doesn't temporarily widen the scar. However, apparently the phenol acid is more difficult and unpredictable to handle, it's stronger and most dermatologists prefer to play it safe with tca. On the other hand, tca delivers results too. So the derms opt for tca mostly.
At the start of treatment, subcision was performed only once using a 24G needle. One day after the subcision, patient was called for the first sitting of microneedling with dermaroller containing 192 needles of needle size 1.5 mm. Eutectic mixture of lignocaine 2% and prilocaine 2% cream was applied under occlusion for 1 hour to the affected areas which was removed using gauze. Thereafter topical tretinoin cream 0.05% was applied to the affected area. Treatment was performed by rolling the dermaroller in vertical, horizontal and diagonal directions in the affected area until appearance of uniform fine pinpoint bleeding. Then the area was wiped with saline soaked gauze and tretinoin cream 0.05% was applied and washed off after 30 minutes. Two weeks after dermaroller, patient was called for 15% TCA peel. Whole face was cleansed using spirit and degreased using acetone. Fifteen percent TCA peel was applied with cotton tipped applicator on full face. Appearance of speckled white frosting was the end point of treatment with peel. After using dermaroller and 15% TCA peel, patient was instructed to apply sunscreen in the morning and mometasone furoate cream 0.1% twice daily for 5 days after which sunscreen was continued in the morning with tretinoin cream 0.05% applied at night time. Patient was asked to discontinue topical tretinoin cream application 2 days prior to TCA peel. Thereafter, dermaroller and 15% TCA peel were repeated alternately after every 2 weeks for six sessions of each and this was taken as the end point of our study. In some patients who developed inflammatory lesions of acne during treatment, capsule doxycycline or topical clindamycin cream 1% was given as and when required. Any adverse effects and interference in daily activities post-treatment were noted.