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1 hour ago, Stef3000 said:1) 1. Well it might seem to be an effective treatment for scars, but I did talk with a doctor on my university about this, and he claims that it might cut the scar bands but it damages the skin tissue at the same time and this causes more scar tissue. If you use filler the scar tissue is just on the upper part of the skin but it still develop. There is the possibility that the scar won't connect together again but this doesn't hinder the development of scar tissue with is just unconnected to the previous scar tissue.
This mean that you develop with time a lot of scar tissue with every subcision and in some cases you can have a hard scar ball under your skin and this scar ball might have a different color then your normal skin and shine through your skin so your skin still looks like scar tissue and likely even looks worse.
These doctors try to sell us scar tissue as collagen ! there are different types of collagen, but with subcision the wrong type of collagen gets produced, it is this awfull skin that we all don't want!
For me it makes total sense if you create a pocket with subcision for the filler then you did damage your skin for this and it might heal as scar tissue because I didn't have a pocket in my skin before and it is also more likely that there will be more scar tissue then because the "pocket" is an additional damage.
and doctors chase the depth like Lim did state ! they don't care about the rest ! lumps and bums are mostly scar tissue ! and doctors say that they arecommon !
2) I can't give you a name of a German doctor because I haven't been treated by them but I can say that they where very careful and they didn't try to sell me anything even though they had lasers and stuff like that. One doctor even told me that scar treatments are more like an experiment and no one knows the outcome even though they act like they know everything and he did say that before he did consult me ! he literally threw away the money that he could have from me, and he did also do subcision and stuff like that and had good reviews.
back in the days I was mad and I thought that there must be better doctors in Europe, but now I know that he just wanted to warn me and I want to warn you all too !
Then we should do nothing , and also allthis studies online are worthless and lie ? And All Those people that saw Good results from subcision lie too ? Look talk to dr Emil and ask pics that he made and compare.
Also u gotta realise that all treatments are based on controlled damage delivered to skin, all of em.
Btw what about TCA cross , how many your scars Drhave treated with TCA cross and what is the result ?
I am still so very grateful that doctors like Emil or Lim exist, who specialise in acne scars and really know their sh^t about this. Acne scar correction is difficult unthankful job and people often don't get the wow effect and after the thousands spent feel like it's a waste and all in vain. We ve got to be aware of that. But there is room for improvement. How much is often individual.
I am also grateful that I have a choice to treat my scars or not. Many people cannot save money for treatments and cannot afford any treatment, let alone with experts like Emil.
To stef from Germany, it sucks that something went wrong man. it really does. You speak badly of subcision, but I can tell you from personal experience that it's safe and from reading a lot that it works for many people better than anything else.
You are probably unhappy that you have to pay for your procedures and that's why are bad mouthing the doctor and the procedures.
As to your german doctors, yeah, like Mirro said what do they offer instead? Everybody can critisise and offer their "expert opinion". That's easy. I think they don't offer subcision because it's easier for them to do their 10 mins laser for 1000 bucks than subcs for 200. I also went to a doc who said microneedling causes damage and was making himself interesting and critisizing everything. Instead he offered me erbium glas - the most ineffective of all lasers for scars, the laser is totally non-ablative and won't even begin to improve my scars. 4 sessions totally a couple of thousands of poundsYou draw your own conslusions!
if you're so unhappy with dr emil and his subcision just go somewhere else. You seem to trust other doctors more, go to them. But know that many people would die to be in your place. To have access to Emil or any other scar expertsand the means to afford treatment with them.
On 10/29/2020 at 9:55 PM, can i get a new life please said:Yes, there is no one else in europe except emil. And yes there is not much succes stories or before after pics like dr.Lims patients but i believe Emil is know what he do, i never wanna go a single doctor in my country they dont knoww shittt about acne scarring man...
I wanna go to Emil if i can get the money. Euro and dollar is high in my country rn.
Yes, I think u should go to Emil if you can. He's the only and the best doc in Europe. But we should also be aware that unless the scars are very minimal we probably won't get the wow effect the dramatic improvement.
11 hours ago, Stef3000 said:1) 1. Well it might seem to be an effective treatment for scars, but I did talk with a doctor on my university about this, and he claims that it might cut the scar bands but it damages the skin tissue at the same time and this causes more scar tissue. If you use filler the scar tissue is just on the upper part of the skin but it still develop. There is the possibility that the scar won't connect together again but this doesn't hinder the development of scar tissue with is just unconnected to the previous scar tissue.
This mean that you develop with time a lot of scar tissue with every subcision and in some cases you can have a hard scar ball under your skin and this scar ball might have a different color then your normal skin and shine through your skin so your skin still looks like scar tissue and likely even looks worse.
These doctors try to sell us scar tissue as collagen ! there are different types of collagen, but with subcision the wrong type of collagen gets produced, it is this awfull skin that we all don't want!
For me it makes total sense if you create a pocket with subcision for the filler then you did damage your skin for this and it might heal as scar tissue because I didn't have a pocket in my skin before and it is also more likely that there will be more scar tissue then because the "pocket" is an additional damage.
and doctors chase the depth like Lim did state ! they don't care about the rest ! lumps and bums are mostly scar tissue ! and doctors say that they arecommon !
2) I can't give you a name of a German doctor because I haven't been treated by them but I can say that they where very careful and they didn't try to sell me anything even though they had lasers and stuff like that. One doctor even told me that scar treatments are more like an experiment and no one knows the outcome even though they act like they know everything and he did say that before he did consult me ! he literally threw away the money that he could have from me, and he did also do subcision and stuff like that and had good reviews.
back in the days I was mad and I thought that there must be better doctors in Europe, but now I know that he just wanted to warn me and I want to warn you all too !
With all due respect, you've posted photosand 99% of the people would say that you don't have scars and are totally obsessing.
My camera cant capture my scars very well, but my main concern is the scar tissue under my skin. It feels like a ball of scar tissue under my skin and its handicapping me when I smile or when I close my eyes ! This is no imagination this is a fact ! Moreover my scars looks worse, especially the texture. But my main concern is under the skin.
moreover the edges are more visible and raised.
But the thing that really annoys me ist that I can feel my scars all the time!
this wasnt wasnt the case before.
One more time.Im really notoffending Emil, hes probably the kindest doctor ever ! I really respect him but I just didnt getgood results, maybe I get better results next time then Ill post this to and mention the positive effects.
but in defense of Emil, he really doesnt do a lot of marketing like others do, and I think he keeps expectations realistic, if I wouldnt have the problem under my scar and if nothing would look worse I would be fine( even With 0% improvement)but now I just really dont see any improvement and I have additional problems, but this can happen!
@Sisi90why should I say that my scars are worse when they arent ? Why should I buy a ticket to visit the doctoragain if everything is ok ? It doesntmakesense for me. Im not rich and I dont throw money inthe garbage.
I dont talk bad about the doctor!
i talked about the industry as I mentioned! I talked about unrealistic expectations that you can see onYouTube videos. This all is not the case with Emiland I didnt address him with that message.As a matter a fact even Emil claims that doctors spread unrealisticexpectations in the internet !
yes im Quite unhappy with my results and this can happen and yes I still hope that he can fix my problems, because I still respect him. Do I believe in subcision ?not so much! But this can change.Am I allowed to state may thoughts ? Yes ! Maybe the dochas a super solution next time and then I will post this as well !!! Im not against him ! Im just unhappy with my results am I not allowed to say this ?
and I didnt say that German doctors are better I just didsay what they think about subcision and what I think about it and that it makes sense for me. This doesntmean that this has to be100% true,Im just stating my thoughts and this doesnt mean that they are better ! As a fact onedoctor that did say that scar treatments are like an experiment ... well hes obviously not skilled !
I didnt say that they have better solutions!
as a matter a fact the doctor is so kind he promised me to fix my problems if something goes wrong, thats also a reason why I visit him again. But when I say that I dont trust the industry I dont mean Emil ! Hes not the type of doctor that does massive marketing!
you are also a victim of the industry as your doctor did sell you a laser that didnt work arent you ? Is it the fault of the doctor or was the laser crap? Nowbody knows! only the doctor !and thats why I talk about the industry !if a other doctor would give you laser and your scars would improve would you still think the same way about laser ?
itsfine to talk bad about laser on this broad but when I state my thought about subcision everybody gets upset. Am I not allowedto do this ?
do you all just want to hear one opinion and success storys ?
maybe I was a bit harsh withmy previous posts but I really didnt adress this to emil and I didnt want to offend him.
Considering all facts nodoctor is perfect ! But I still believe in Emil so please dont tell me that I talk bad about him only because I say that im not quite happy with my results. Mistakes can happen and I hope he can correct everything next time. Of course Im a bit pessimistic after all but I still have hope and I respect him.
Please don't take it personally. I was sharing my experience with subcision and saying that those who live near Emil and can afford the treatments are really lucky and should appreciate it. It's unfortunate that u had complications and hope doc can fix it.
I wasn't victim of industry. Sofar I've done only a little. Only subcision. It's just that this doctor was very critical of everything he doesn't offer and suggested his glas laser instead which is a joke for scars. I didn't get it needless to say.
On 10/30/2020 at 10:06 AM, Stef3000 said:
my scars only got worse from
these treatments !
Ok so 1) How many scars were done with TCA ? Are they worse ? All of em ? Did they get wider ? Deeper ?
Maybe people that went do Dr Emil and had TCA done could share their exp too ? Cause TCA is the only way to treat Icepick scars , how do want to treat em ? Nothing works on those .
Nooffense to all german doctors but what do they suggest ? I suppose their flashy new lasers ? I got laser Fractional CO2 for my scars , it did absolutly nothing for my scars. How do u suppose to release tethers ? If there are fibrotic bands scars areattacheddown , theres absolutly no way to release tethers then subcision .
There are tons of people online that say nothing really helped em with those craters but subcision and filler.
2) Maybe filler was misplaced or maybe Sirius lee is right that optimal for filler after subcision is to wait few days till swelling goes down and then inject filler and you get better results who knows ? Also Radiesse 2 lasts years , that long time kinda scares me , if something goes wrong its a hell long time 🙂
3) keep us updated, i wanna know what Dr EMil tells you, ask for photos - picshe took before treatment and u can compare it.
3 hours ago, Stef3000 said:My camera cant capture my scars very well, but my main concern is the scar tissue under my skin. It feels like a ball of scar tissue under my skin and its handicapping me when I smile or when I close my eyes ! This is no imagination this is a fact ! Moreover my scars looks worse, especially the texture. But my main concern is under the skin.
moreover the edges are more visible and raised.
But the thing that really annoys me ist that I can feel my scars all the time!
this wasnt wasnt the case before.
Lump under the skin following subcision is very common. Could be small haematoma or tiny lump of scar tissue. Of course ask your doctor's advice first but for me daily massage a couple of times a day for no more than a few minutes at a time seemed to help.I triednot to put friction on the top layer of skin but instead moved the lumps underneath around in a circle motion. This helped break it down over the next few weeks/months. I had what felt like a ball of scar tissue under a surgical scar for several months that I thought would never go away but as soon as I started the massage it disappeared fast.
6 hours ago, F1racer said:Lump under the skin following subcision is very common. Could be small haematoma or tiny lump of scar tissue. Of course ask your doctor's advice first but for me daily massage a couple of times a day for no more than a few minutes at a time seemed to help.I triednot to put friction on the top layer of skin but instead moved the lumps underneath around in a circle motion. This helped break it down over the next few weeks/months. I had what felt like a ball of scar tissue under a surgical scar for several months that I thought would never go away but as soon as I started the massage it disappeared fast.
thanks for your advice, maybe I will try this after I did visit Dr. Henningsen. How long did your lump persist ? Im scared to touch it because if it is a hypertrophic scar and you put pressure on it,it can get bigger.
1 hour ago, BlueMaloney said:Does anyone know if this super diluted radiesse filler dr emil uses has anyvolluminizingeffect at all or is it just used for collagen stimulation? Those who already had the filler, do u see any added vollume?
I also would like to know this too. He did say to me that its kinda like sculptra, because that is what I usually did want.I will ask henningsen at my next appointment.
13 minutes ago, Stef3000 said:thanks for your advice, maybe I will try this after I did visit Dr. Henningsen. How long did your lump persist ? Im scared to touch it because if it is a hypertrophic scar and you put pressure on it,it can get bigger.
I also would like to know this too. He did say to me that its kinda like sculptra, because that is what I usually did want.I will ask henningsen at my next appointment.
Thanks. That would be most helpful! I get the impression from RealSelf that Radiesse used hyperdiluted doesn't add much volume, at least ppl say their scars do not disappear or the area is not smoother as it is the case with Sculptra, but maybe there is some tiny volluminizing effect?? The comment there says Radiesse diluted is mostly a collagen booster.
2 hours ago, BlueMaloney said:Thanks. That would be most helpful! I get the impression from RealSelf that Radiesse used hyperdiluted doesn't add much volume, at least ppl say their scars do not disappear or the area is not smoother as it is the case with Sculptra, but maybe there is some tiny volluminizing effect?? The comment there says Radiesse diluted is mostly a collagen booster.
If you really wanna boost collagen, combine Sculptra with RF like Genius (or even laser).
1 hour ago, Sirius Lee said:If you really wanna boost collagen, combine Sculptra with RF like Genius (or even laser).
Good suggestion. I ll ask the doctor what he thinks would be suitable for me. If all goes well and the borders open I plan on booking an appointment early next year. For me it's important that the filler is safe, boosts collagen and also , ideally, adds some volume 
Then I might consider fillers again
Hi All.
I went to see Dr Emil Henningsen again and had TCA, Subcision & Filler & Genius RFM
We went through previous pics he took last time and i have seen a big difference
healing acne scars does take time! It is a slow process you NEED to be patient!
I did have treatments done in London with another dr who did NOT use filler after subcision! Hence me travelling abroad for my treatment!
To those who are worried please just go see Dr Emil he has over 10 years experience, he goes through everything with you and you can chat to him about all your concerns - he doesnt push anything onto you!!!!
i know most of you are sceptical but please trust me just go to see him! I wasted alot of money and time on another dr and wish id seen Dr Emil sooner!
as for pictures people dont upload i totally understand i myself am not confident enough to upload them! Dr Emil is very kind and understanding and very passionate about what he does!
I know some people rush to get treatment after treatment you really need to wait atleast 3 months apart you skin takes time to heal!
I would honestly wish everyone would just go see him atleast once and see for yourself he really is the best in Europe!
Oh and they even give you with a letter so there are no issues atbthe airport travelling to him - in regards to coronavirus
as from London you can still travel for health/medical treatment reasons
I am 3 weeks after visiting dr. Emil, tca cross and v beam pd laser. I can already notice an improvement in the scars treated with tca cross, which have risen and a little closed, and in the redness. and it is still early because I think I will have a further improvement in the coming months. am I a fast responder? I do not know, probably yes. what the doctor promised me is coming true. I can say it was worth it.
8 hours ago, suvvolo said:I am 3 weeks after visiting dr. Emil, tca cross and v beam pd laser. I can already notice an improvement in the scars treated with tca cross, which have risen and a little closed, and in the redness. and it is still early because I think I will have a further improvement in the coming months. am I a fast responder? I do not know, probably yes. what the doctor promised me is coming true. I can say it was worth it.
Yes at first it is swelling but you need to wait for the swelling to go down before seeing true results but u can see some results early
But patience is key!
i was told with Genius RFM usually you notice after 3 months - first i was abit worried but Dr Emil was right and did notice more difference as time went on
he really is the best.
please note - along with the treatments i do eat protein rich foods as he reccomended, drink lots of water and good skincare - such as products from the ordinary - although i hve to wait 2 weeks after treatment to go back to normal skincare routine, for 2 weeks need to just stick to basic routine - cleanse, moisturise spf
i also use my red light therapy machine by MD Quaser too which i notice helps aid in healing too
Hope you are all okay feel free to message me if you have any questions
On 10/31/2020 at 8:07 AM, Stef3000 said:My camera cant capture my scars very well, but my main concern is the scar tissue under my skin. It feels like a ball of scar tissue under my skin and its handicapping me when I smile or when I close my eyes ! This is no imagination this is a fact ! Moreover my scars looks worse, especially the texture. But
Considering all facts nodoctor is perfect ! But I still believe in Emil so please dont tell me that I talk bad about him only because I say that im not quite happy with my results. Mistakes can happen and I hope he can correct everything next time. Of course Im a bit pessimistic after all but I still have hope and I respect him.
So have u visited Dr Emil ?
On 10/31/2020 at 10:21 AM, F1racer said:Lump under the skin following subcision is very common. Could be small haematoma or tiny lump of scar tissue. Of course ask your doctor's advice first but for me daily massage a couple of times a day for no more than a few minutes at a time seemed to help. I tried not to put friction on the top layer of skin but instead moved the lumps underneath around in a circle motion. This helped break it down over the next few weeks/months. I had what felt like a ball of scar tissue under a surgical scar for several months that I thought would never go away but as soon as I started the massage it disappeared fast.
Yes! Dr Emil has told me to do the same massage for 2 weeks 2x a day
Well last week I did visit Dr. Henningsen because I had some Lumps after Sub and Radiessethat are still there after 5 months. He did examine myface and he did state that Radiesse can form lumps and that it can take a certain amount of time until the dumps will disappear.
He was really friendly, first he did want to do a little subcision to break up the Radiesse and inject a steroid injection, but he also did say that massaging the area could also help. I wasas a little bit scared to do another sub and that's why I will try to massage the area the next threemonths. I want to point out that Emil did say that he would never leave me alone no matter what happens and that he will treat me for free until my problems are solved ! that was really impressing and all of my negative thoughts were blown away.
Even though I still wanted to give him some money for his time he wouldn'ttake it ! He gave me the feeling that he really wants to help me. He took his time to examine my face and he didn't rush. Im convinced that he will help me to solve my problems.
On 11/10/2020 at 7:38 AM, BlueMaloney said:did u ask him about the filler? if hyper diluted it's just a biostimulant or it gives volume as well?
He did say that calcium spheres produces volume I guess. You get an immediate result and it builds up collagen(information from my first treatment).
I must say that i was a bit sceptical after I visited Emil Three times, but maybe my expectations were too high. He once told me he had patients who were expecting a scarfree face after three visits. He also told me he simply can't do that. Maybe I will visit him again in the future. Time will tell.
1 hour ago, Noa27 said:I must say that i was a bit sceptical after I visited Emil Three times, but maybe my expectations were too high. He once told me he had patients who were expecting a scarfree face after three visits. He also told me he simply can't do that. Maybe I will visit him again in the future. Time will tell.
Why were you sceptical ?
On 10/31/2020 at 11:21 AM, F1racer said:Lump under the skin following subcision is very common. Could be small haematoma or tiny lump of scar tissue. Of course ask your doctor's advice first but for me daily massage a couple of times a day for no more than a few minutes at a time seemed to help.I triednot to put friction on the top layer of skin but instead moved the lumps underneath around in a circle motion. This helped break it down over the next few weeks/months. I had what felt like a ball of scar tissue under a surgical scar for several months that I thought would never go away but as soon as I started the massage it disappeared fast.
I also started to massage my lumps, did you have any swelling or the feeling of having a inflammation while you were doing that ? Because sometimes the area swells up while I massage the area and it stays there for 2 days, ist this normal ?
13 hours ago, Stef3000 said:Well last week I did visit Dr. Henningsen because I had some Lumps after Sub and Radiessethat are still there after 5 months. He did examine myface and he did state that Radiesse can form lumps and that it can take a certain amount of time until the dumps will disappear.
He was really friendly, first he did want to do a little subcision to break up the Radiesse and inject a steroid injection, but he also did say that massaging the area could also help. I wasas a little bit scared to do another sub and that's why I will try to massage the area the next threemonths. I want to point out that Emil did say that he would never leave me alone no matter what happens and that he will treat me for free until my problems are solved ! that was really impressing and all of my negative thoughts were blown away.
Even though I still wanted to give him some money for his time he wouldn'ttake it ! He gave me the feeling that he really wants to help me. He took his time to examine my face and he didn't rush. Im convinced that he will help me to solve my problems.
He did say that calcium spheres produces volume I guess. You get an immediate result and it builds up collagen(information from my first treatment).
Thanks for asking. Hope yr issue with the filler resolves quickly.