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1 hour ago, CleanBowling said:Did u want phnch exicision done?
I'm not sure yet. I keep reading good things on punch excision for ice pick scars and I was wondering if the best scar doctor in Europe offers it and ifnot if there's a reason why not. It would be a once-off treatment instead of numerous tcs cross treatments that's why I might be interested.
2 hours ago, CleanBowling said:ive heard more side effects with punch excision and scars left after ehere the skin is excised. Soo do alot of research carefully beforehand and if so why not
drop an email to Dr Emil™s clinic
I am not a patient there yet. I don't think they will be very happy if I start with why don't you offer punch excision
I was wondering if any of his patients here have asked him about his opinion of punch excision for scars.
But you are right. There are a lot of side effects. But there ate side effects to tca cross too. Scars may get wider or something could get wrong. You also have to go back for a second a third treatment.
Hey guys I know Dr Emil is one of the best scar experts and is super nice and a lot of you have seen him already. But I coudn't find any "success stories" so to speak besides the one guy'sfrom the UK who had only minor scarring to begin with. There are also not many threads of ongoing treatments with him to follow like there are for Dr Rullan, Lim or Weiner. Yet you people seem to go back to him to have more treatments. I'm thinking of booking in with Dr Emil as well and I was curious what improvement did you get from his treatments in % and what was the best treatment that you had at his clinic?
6 hours ago, can i get a new life please said:I wanna go to mr.Emil too.
I hope he does not change the reasonable prices
There's no one else to go to in Europe. But I find it a bit strange that there aren't more success stories given the number of people who go to see him. People either don't want to share their progress or the improvements are really minimal maybe 
1 hour ago, Stef3000 said:I will visit Emil next week, I had a treatment at his clinic 4 months ago and I had some complications and Ill see if they can be fixed at the next appointment. But hes very nice and he seems to really want to help people
What happened ? You had TCA cross + subc + filler ?
5 hours ago, BlueMaloney said:There's no one else to go to in Europe. But I find it a bit strange that there aren't more success stories given the number of people who go to see him. People either don't want to share their progress or the improvements are really minimal maybe
I find that a bit odd too. On Google a last review about him was a year ago. And only 15 reviews..
29 minutes ago, Noa27 said:I find that a bit odd too. On Google a last review about him was a year ago. And only 15 reviews..
Yeah that too. I hope that people that go to see him are happy with the results and go on with their lives and don't come to this forum any more. I am sure he's very nice and knowledgeable and wants to help but it's just.. a few more reviews with % improvement and what treatments works best would be nice
On the website of his clinic it says that he is know as the 1% scar specialist on acne. org.... It's odd... BA mentioned him and kept mentioned him. And now they work together at [Edited link out]. I ve seen Emil a couple of Times, results are not that good. I've seen some, but not like WOW. But everyone is different. Maybe I will visit him in the future, because I've seen some results.
BA also kept mentioning the derminator. I have it at home and it's in my eyes rubbish. I think BA has/have some connections and advertise them.
I ve been treated by Dr Emil, but my journey is not in the end so i leave my final statement after last treatment. It needs patience and time and mental strenght all this treatments, the worst part is time , theres downtime allways , time to heal and waiting for results.
I did 2 subc + filler , 2 Genius RF + subc, now its almost 2 mothsafter 2nd G + subc, i amd doing 15% TCA peel full face for some textural issues once a month , I did it just once , second should be done at doctors office in my home country ( not Emil ) on 5th novemeber, i d like to do it 4 times altogether
Then i wanna go back to Emil february maybemarch if covid allows me to do so. I d like to do some TCA cross ( im kinda afraid of this treatment )for Icepicks if Emil says its ok, maybe TCA paint , and then at the end i will maybe do Fractional CO2 as finale touch if doctor says its ok sometimes in autum - winter 2021 ( again i am afraid of lasers ) and thats it for me. Then I ll share my exp. with comunity.
So far I am seeing improvement, dont know what percentage it is.
But look at all those "succes" stories on internet even here, people underwent 10+ treatments and theres improvement but nothing that would blow your brain off your head. Its improvement. Every doctor is limited bytreatments that are avalaible to him which nowadays is not something that can get rid of your scars. So theres improvement , but scars are still there and thats the problem, people wil never be happy cause you still will have scarring on your face . Also you can clearly see people spent a lot money on many treatments all around the world and still wanna do this and that and this . At some point doctor should tell you this is it. We cant do anything better unless some new treatment will come out and can bring better results. And i dont wanna spent more time of my life then necessery treating my acne scars. Thas why i wanna go through everything theres possible and finish it with laser at the end of 2021 and final results 2022 , then i write here about my exp. and leave it be.
2 hours ago, Noa27 said:On the website of his clinic it says that he is know as the 1% scar specialist on acne. org.... It's odd... BA mentioned him and kept mentioned him. And now they work together at [Edited link out]. I ve seen Emil a couple of Times, results are not that good. I've seen some, but not like WOW. But everyone is different. Maybe I will visit him in the future, because I've seen some results.
BA also kept mentioning the derminator. I have it at home and it's in my eyes rubbish. I think BA has/have some connections and advertise them.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Some results, but not the wow effect is very realistic. I dare to think it's what most people get. I do believe there is room for improvement but it's just not so much.Yeah I totally agree. I am sorry for being negative and I know BA has helped a lot of people but I must be honest and say that I wasn't very impressed with the advice BA gave me.Maybe it's just the skeptic in me but I'm having serious difficulties trusting someone who has no face and no name behind his advice who is telling me go get 8+ subcisions. For all I know it could be someone working in a doctor's office and directing people to a selected few or working on a commission.There is also a striking discrepancy between the strong recommendations for a doctor and the lack of success stories ( I mean people with threads on progress, photos here), of reviews in terms of results, % improvement and so on.
2 hours ago, Miro said:I ve been treated by Dr Emil, but my journey is not in the end so i leave my final statement after last treatment. It needs patience and time and mental strenght all this treatments, the worst part is time , theres downtime allways , time to heal and waiting for results.
I did 2 subc + filler , 2 Genius RF + subc, now its almost 2 moths after 2nd G + subc, i amd doing 15% TCA peel full face for some textural issues once a month , I did it just once , second should be done at doctors office in my home country ( not Emil ) on 5th novemeber, i d like to do it 4 times altogether
Then i wanna go back to Emil february maybe march if covid allows me to do so. I d like to do some TCA cross ( im kinda afraid of this treatment ) for Icepicks if Emil says its ok, maybe TCA paint , and then at the end i will maybe do Fractional CO2 as finale touch if doctor says its ok sometimes in autum - winter 2021 ( again i am afraid of lasers ) and thats it for me. Then I ll share my exp. with comunity.
So far I am seeing improvement, dont know what percentage it is.
But look at all those "succes" stories on internet even here, people underwent 10+ treatments and theres improvement but nothing that would blow your brain off your head. Its improvement. Every doctor is limited by treatments that are avalaible to him which nowadays is not something that can get rid of your scars. So theres improvement , but scars are still there and thats the problem, people wil never be happy cause you still will have scarring on your face . Also you can clearly see people spent a lot money on many treatments all around the world and still wanna do this and that and this . At some point doctor should tell you this is it. We cant do anything better unless some new treatment will come out and can bring better results. And i dont wanna spent more time of my life then necessery treating my acne scars. Thas why i wanna go through everything theres possible and finish it with laser at the end of 2021 and final results 2022 , then i write here about my exp. and leave it be.
That's quite the plan Congratulations on your improvement and keep us updated
On 10/29/2020 at 9:47 AM, Miro said:What happened ? You had TCA cross + subc + filler ?
Yeah, I hadall of these treatments. And my scars are worse then before.
i think the industry is playing with our emotions. They know were desperate and they try to sell us stuff that let us think that they will solve our problems.
the doctors in Germany told me that subcision wouldnt create good results, because It leads to more scarring and thats exactly what I got ( I guess) or there is something wrong with the radiesse filler... I dont know, but there is really something going on inside of my face. It feels numb, tight, and swollen at the same time and I can feel my scars when I smile. And on top of that my scars are more red then before.
i just want to encourage people that you shouldnt get all of your information out of the internet and try to be patient and dont trust Doktors like Lim or Weiner without knowing them. They want to make money and somehow I feel like a victim of this industry.
Regarding BA, i think he works together with some of these doctors(but not with Emil).
He gave a lot of people the same scar plan and this is not ok !
this is missleading information to possible emotional fragile people and they will go with this plan if they have the money!
you will sign a document that the doctor wont take any financial damage if a mistake happens and they will take your money.
before and After pictures are almost always photoshopped and some of these doctors have the ability to photo shop and some others dont, thats why some doctors post before and after a and others dont... dont let them fool you !!!
this hall industry is sucks.
Im no expert but I ask myself howsubcision can help when a needleis cutting through your skin ?
in some cases it may help, but in the majority of these cases it dissent help at all !
and the most inportant information is, that nobody knows the failure rate of these doctors, maybe they are only going in advertising and nothing else.its the same with Nike and Adidas !
on RealSelf most of these doctors have their standardized Text that they post and they only add a few word to that.
this is only marketing and they make sure that they are present!
and please dont buy anything on BAs page just visit a doctor and listen to him and listen to many doctors.
I still want to mention that Dr Emil is a really nice person and Im not offending hin with this post, I just did want to point out my thoughts on this industry.
it could also be that a mistake did happen and that he canfix it next week, if this is the case I will post this in this thread and take everything back, but I dont think that this will happen.
1 hour ago, Stef3000 said:Yeah, I hadall of these treatments. And my scars are worse then before.
i think the industry is playing with our emotions. They know were desperate and they try to sell us stuff that let us think that they will solve our problems.
im so stupid, the doctors in Germany told me that subcision wouldnt create good results, because It leads to more scarring and thats exactly what I got ( I guess) or there is something wrong with the radiesse filler... I dont know, but there is really something going on inside of my face. It feels numb, tight, and swollen at the same time and I can feel my scars when I smile. And on top of that my scars are more red then before.
i just want to encourage people that you shouldnt get all of your information out of the internet and try to be patient and dont trust Doktors like Lim or Weiner without knowing them. They want to make money and somehow I feel like a victim of this industry.
Regarding BA, i think he works together with some of these doctors.He gave a lot of people the same scar plan and this is not ok !
this is missleading information to possible emotional fragile people and they will go with this plan if they have the money!you will sign a document that the doctor wont take any financial damage if a mistake happens and they will take your money.
before and After pictures are almost always photoshopped and some of these doctors have the ability to photo shop and some others dont, thats why some doctors post before and after a and others dont... dont let them fool you !!!
this hall industry is sucks.
how can subcision help when a needleis cutting through your skin ?
in some cases it may help, but in the majority of these cases it dissent help at all !and the most inportant information is, that nobody knows the failure rate of these doctors, maybe they are only going in advertising and nothing else.its the same with Nike and Adidas !
on RealSelf most of these doctors have their standardized Text that they post and they only add a few word to that.
this is only marketing and they make sure that they are present!and please dont buy anything on BAs page just visit a doctor and listen to him and listen to many doctors.
i made a big mistake and I really feel sucks but I still want to mention that Dr Emil is a really nice person and Im not offending hin with this post, I just did want to point out my thoughts on this industry.
it could also be that a mistake did happen and that he canfix it next week, if this is the case I will post this in this thread and take everything back, but I dont think that this will happen.
oh. sorry this happened to u. u had subs+radiesse filler? i hope dr emil can fix it. it cant be that bad if u're still going to him. and i think that the doctors u mentioned and dr emilgenuinely care and try to help from what i've read on this site. they offer manual procedures first which are affordable and don't push the expensive laser treatments.it's just that sometimes something goes wrong even with the best docs. you always have risk. the Q is if you are willing to take it to improve your scars. dr emil offering to fix the problem actually speaksvery well of him.
On 10/29/2020 at 5:43 PM, BlueMaloney said:oh. sorry this happened to u. u had subs+radiesse filler? i hope dr emil can fix it. it cant be that bad if u're still going to him. and i think that the doctors u mentioned and dr emilgenuinely care and try to help from what i've read on this site. they offer manual procedures first which are affordable and don't push the expensive laser treatments.it's just that sometimes something goes wrong even with the best docs. you always have risk. the Q is if you are willing to take it to improve your scars. dr emil offering to fix the problem actually speaksvery well of him.
Im going again to Emil because he caused this condition and I think he has the skill to fix it, he also told me that he would fix problems that will appear. In Germany we dont have any Doctors who can trat acne scars very good, so I tryto trust him and I hope he can fix my problems.
I still think hes a skilled doctor
On 10/30/2020 at 8:39 AM, Noa27 said:There is only one doctor in Europe because we only know one. Dr. Henningsen is the only dr. who was heavily promoted on acne.org.
Right. We dont even know that acne.org gives us limited information, because we only get information thats promoted. And because highlyrecommendeddoctors mention this board doesnt mean that everything here is true.
isnt it weird that we all have the same solutions for everybody ? Sub, tca, micro needling. Everything what these doctors say ! Nothing else ! As if they would talk to us !
the same thing with subcision, if it is such a powerful tool for acne scars everyone would offer subcision.
it is probablynot more difficult then surgery! Actually I think its like getting a filler but on top of that the doctor hits against some scars.
but doctors want to let us believesthat a high Skillset is needed. But well I went to a high skilled doctor and well .... some Things are worse no but I dont want to offend him, this can happen.
i didnt want to say anythingand stay quiet but I want to warn all of you, really I dont benefit from this, I just want your best.
I think filler may work, but I think subcision is just a big hype. In Germany almost every doctor say subcision is not good! If this is true ? I dont know
and I askmy self why I did still listen to doctors only because they have a lot of YouTube clicks and possible fake reviews.
if I search this board I see much more people that have little until almost no improvement and some people even regret this treatment because they scars got worse ... the same with tca !
Why do we still believethis ?
my scars only got worse from
these treatments !
I honestly think the before and after photos from social networks create unrealistic expectations about the results of scar treatments. scar tissue is difficult to treat, it is still a very experimental subject. e.g., it is not known if lasers create long-term adverse effects, too. there are many scientific studies that claim that burning skin is never a good idea. these treatments should be done by turning to the best doctors, but always without placing great hopes and with a lot of patience. my 2 cents
1 hour ago, Stef3000 said:Right. We dont even know that acne.org gives us limited information, because we only get information thats promoted. And because highlyrecommendeddoctors mention this board doesnt mean that everything here is true.
isnt it weird that we all have the same solutions for everybody ? Sub, tca, micro needling. Everything what these doctors say ! Nothing else ! As if they would talk to us !the same thing with subcision, if it is such a powerful tool for acne scars everyone would offer subcision.
it is definitely not more difficult then surgery! Actually I think its like getting a filler but on top of that the doctor hits against some scars.
but doctors want to let us believesthat a high Skillset is needed. But well I went to a high skilled doctor and well .... everything was worse after that!
i didnt want to say anythingand stay quiet but I want to warn all of you, really I dont benefit from this, I just want your best.
I think filler may work, but I think subcision is just a big hype. In Germany almost every doctor say subcision is bullshit !
and I askmy self why I did still listen to three doctors only because they have a lot of YouTube clicks and possible fake reviews.if I search this board I see much more people that have little until almost no improvement and some people even regret this treatment because they scars got worse ... the same with tca !
Why do we still believethis crap ????
my scars only got worse from
these treatments !
Ok so 1) How many scars were done with TCA ? Are they worse ? All of em ? Did they get wider ? Deeper ?
Maybe people that went do Dr Emil and had TCA done could share their exp too ? Cause TCA is the only way to treat Icepick scars , how do want to treat em ? Nothing works on those .
Nooffense to all german doctors but what do they suggest ? I suppose their flashy new lasers ? I got laser Fractional CO2 for my scars , it did absolutly nothing for my scars. How do u suppose to release tethers ? If there are fibrotic bands scars areattacheddown , theres absolutly no way to release tethers then subcision .
There are tons of people online that say nothing really helped em with those craters but subcision and filler.
2) Maybe filler was misplaced or maybe Sirius lee is right that optimal for filler after subcision is to wait few days till swelling goes down and then inject filler and you get better results who knows ? Also Radiesse 2 lasts years , that long time kinda scares me , if something goes wrong its a hell long time 🙂
3) keep us updated, i wanna know what Dr EMil tells you, ask for photos - picshe took before treatment and u can compare it.
40 minutes ago, suvvolo said:I honestly think the before and after photos from social networks create unrealistic expectations about the results of scar treatments. scar tissue is difficult to treat, it is still a very experimental subject. e.g., it is not known if lasers create long-term adverse effects, too. there are many scientific studies that claim that burning skin is never a good idea. these treatments should be done by turning to the best doctors, but always without placing great hopes and with a lot of patience. my 2 cents
Exactly, if science doesnt come up with treatment that can somehow remove or greatly reduce scars tissue and replace it with healthy tissue then people will never be satisfied
1 hour ago, Miro said:Exactly, if science doesnt come up with treatment that can somehow remove or greatly reduce scars tissue and replace it with healthy tissue then people will never be satisfied
Well the problem is that doctors like Lim let us believe that 90% improvement is possible in some cases.He literally did say this in one of his videos, and this is missleading information and marketing.
They just want our money.
36 minutes ago, Stef3000 said:Well the problem is that doctors like Lim let us believe that 90% improvement is possible in some cases.He literally did say this in one of his videos, and this is missleading information and marketing.
They just want our money.
Absolutly agree , i red few things 2 years ago on his site and i was like wau really ? Also he plays a Lot with lightning and angle on His befores afters , BA elevated him to almost guru status here Which i found completely ridiculous , also he had some very bad reviews online
5 hours ago, Stef3000 said:
if I search this board I see much more people that have little until almost no improvement and some people even regret this treatment because they scars got worse ... the same with tca !
Why do we still believethis crap ????
my scars only got worse from
these treatments !
What treatment u mean ? Subcision ? Its one of the most effective treatment that exists for acne scars, rolling scars should be all treated with subcision. Also u had a lot of people online and here that claim subcision helped em a lot and changed their lifes.
There are countless studies thats subcision should be even used as combination with energy treatments like lasers and MRF and gives great results.
6 hours ago, Stef3000 said:I think filler may work, but I think subcision is just a big hype. In Germany almost every doctor say subcision is bullshit !
and I askmy self why I did still listen to three doctors only because they have a lot of YouTube clicks and possible fake reviews.
Filler without subcision when there are tethers will not work cause it creates donut effect.
Give us at least one name of German doctor that says that and let us see his befores and afters, many people talk and thats all they can do .
1 hour ago, Miro said:What treatment u mean ? Subcision ? Its one of the most effective treatment that exists for acne scars, rolling scars should be all treated with subcision. Also u had a lot of people online and here that claim subcision helped em a lot and changed their lifes.
There are countless studies thats subcision should be even used as combination with energy treatments like lasers and MRF and gives great results.
Filler without subcision when there are tethers will not work cause it creates donut effect.
Give us at least one name of German doctor that says that and let us see his befores and afters, many people talk and thats all they can do .
1) 1. Well it might seem to be an effective treatment for scars, but I did talk with a doctor on my university about this, and he claims that it might cut the scar bands but it damages the skin tissue at the same time and this causes more scar tissue. If you use filler the scar tissue is just on the upper part of the skin but it still develop. There is the possibility that the scar won't connect together again but this doesn't hinder the development of scar tissue with is just unconnected to the previous scar tissue.
This mean that you develop with time a lot of scar tissue with every subcision and in some cases you can have a hard scar ball under your skin and this scar ball might have a different color then your normal skin and shine through your skin so your skin still looks like scar tissue and likely even looks worse.
These doctors try to sell us scar tissue as collagen ! there are different types of collagen, but with subcision the wrong type of collagen gets produced, it is this awfull skin that we all don't want!
For me it makes total sense if you create a pocket with subcision for the filler then you did damage your skin for this and it might heal as scar tissue because I didn't have a pocket in my skin before and it is also more likely that there will be more scar tissue then because the "pocket" is an additional damage.
and doctors chase the depth like Lim did state ! they don't care about the rest ! lumps and bums are mostly scar tissue ! and doctors say that they arecommon !
2) I can't give you a name of a German doctor because I haven't been treated by them but I can say that they where very careful and they didn't try to sell me anything even though they had lasers and stuff like that. One doctor even told me that scar treatments are more like an experiment and no one knows the outcome even though they act like they know everything and he did say that before he did consult me ! he literally threw away the money that he could have from me, and he did also do subcision and stuff like that and had good reviews.
back in the days I was mad and I thought that there must be better doctors in Europe, but now I know that he just wanted to warn me and I want to warn you all too !