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Yup acne is very challenging. You could still scar evenif you dont pop acne. The longer the acne linger your body starts attacking the tissues of the affected areas. You get atrophicdepression from collateral damage. Its trying to kill the excess bacteria. That is why I am a strong believer in eradicating acne asap. You dont know if you will scar the best thing is to assume you do and stop acne in its tracts. The lesser the time of inflammation. The faster you will recover from this.but the issue is even if accutane is the way to go we cant take it till 18 I believe. Which brings the question how does people younger than 18 control acne. I think bp or glycolic acid 10 percent post cleanser is ideal. And it is a must to be a leave on.
what amazes me knowing the acne scarring can have lasting impact, how is it that there are no regulations in place for mandatory education for parents. You have bunch of restriction before prescribing accutane and you need to be aware of. This is very much a mental and physical disability. If this is not considered an issue then why give vaccines for polio. The idea behind any treatment is to eradicate a physical disability. Acne scarring is a mental prison. It robs you of your youth, restricts you from performing your best in life.
The society has let us down including our parents. And to add salt to injury, treating acne scarring is a cosmetic condition. WTF its like it is optional to treat it. Like it is hidden on some part of the body where you have hidden it. I also have nosympathy for doctors, they know it is a medical condition but they still look the other way when it comes to fighting for the rights of acne sufferers with insurance companies. Just for the sake of example I want the insurance owner sons to get acne and with scars and for the them the cost of treating should a percent of their wealth. Each session cost 10 percent of their wealth. We will then see if they think treating scars are optional. This is the area of face you cant cover.
I guess we need to fight for our rights nobody else is going to fight for us.
11 hours ago, getsmart121 said:Yup acne is very challenging. You could still scar evenif you dont pop acne. The longer the acne linger your body starts attacking the tissues of the affected areas. You get atrophicdepression from collateral damage. Its trying to kill the excess bacteria. That is why I am a strong believer in eradicating acne asap. You dont know if you will scar the best thing is to assume you do and stop acne in its tracts. The lesser the time of inflammation. The faster you will recover from this.but the issue is even if accutane is the way to go we cant take it till 18 I believe. Which brings the question how does people younger than 18 control acne. I think bp or glycolic acid 10 percent post cleanser is ideal. And it is a must to be a leave on.
what amazes me knowing the acne scarring can have lasting impact, how is it that there are no regulations in place for mandatory education for parents. You have bunch of restriction before prescribing accutane and you need to be aware of. This is very much a mental and physical disability. If this is not considered an issue then why give vaccines for polio. The idea behind any treatment is to eradicate a physical disability. Acne scarring is a mental prison. It robs you of your youth, restricts you from performing your best in life.
The society has let us down including our parents. And to add salt to injury, treating acne scarring is a cosmetic condition. WTF its like it is optional to treat it. Like it is hidden on some part of the body where you have hidden it. I also have nosympathy for doctors, they know it is a medical condition but they still look the other way when it comes to fighting for the rights of acne sufferers with insurance companies. Just for the sake of example I want the insurance owner sons to get acne and with scars and for the them the cost of treating should a percent of their wealth. Each session cost 10 percent of their wealth. We will then see if they think treating scars are optional. This is the area of face you cant cover.
I guess we need to fight for our rights nobody else is going to fight for us.
This cosmetic attitudenonsense is worst , even some drs are like whatever , u got some scars so what , despite the fact there are studies how acne scarring affects life of people and also how others perceive you , its awfull . Once it will beproclaimed medical and medical insurance will have to cover this issue then will see improvement in treating acne scarring
57 minutes ago, Miro said:This cosmetic attitudenonsense is worst , even some drs are like whatever , u got some scars so what , despite the fact there are studies how acne scarring affects life of people and also how others perceive you , its awfull . Once it will beproclaimed medical and medical insurance will have to cover this issue then will see improvement in treating acne scarring
That study should be shoved down the insurance company and start treating it as a medical disability. At thisis really weird its damn expensive to treat scars and its not even a single session and it takes some sessions depending on the severity. How does this even make sense? Life is weird, the system we are living is weird!
lets say someone doesnt have financial resources, in order to fix his acne scars he needs to first earn money and to earn money how does have togo about getting a job with such low confidence. As there are number of people competing for the same jobs. You are likely to get discriminated due to that.Treating acne scars is not cosmetic, its about looking normal in the society.
20 hours ago, getsmart121 said:That study should be shoved down the insurance company and start treating it as a medical disability. At thisis really weird its damn expensive to treat scars and its not even a single session and it takes some sessions depending on the severity. How does this even make sense? Life is weird, the system we are living is weird!
lets say someone doesnt have financial resources, in order to fix his acne scars he needs to first earn money and to earn money how does have togo about getting a job with such low confidence. As there are number of people competing for the same jobs. You are likely to get discriminated due to that.Treating acne scars is not cosmetic, its about looking normal in the society.
They wont fund it because it doesn't have a cure, that's the reason if It doesn't have a set procedure that's one and done they wont do it and if they did they wouldn't insure you if you had the issue prior to the membership there not out here to help you there to make money. For them its a guaranteed loss for acne scars and treatments can cost in the region of 10000 and this would take them decades to earn that money back of you. Don't even bother trying to get it to happen your only chance is government provision and even then there is bigger issues in the world for them to sort.
1 hour ago, Scarsmakemewanttodie said:They wont fund it because it doesn't have a cure, that's the reason if It doesn't have a set procedure that's one and done they wont do it and if they did they wouldn't insure you if you had the issue prior to the membership there not out here to help you there to make money. For them its a guaranteed loss for acne scars and treatments can cost in the region of 10000 and this would take them decades to earn that money back of you. Don't even bother trying to get it to happen your only chance is government provision and even then there is bigger issues in the world for them to sort.
I don't agree with your argument because a lot of people have pre-existing conditions and insurance companies do not reject them. They may charge more than the condition-free user but they do not reject. People have all sorts of conditions. I believe with more awareness, insurance companies will coverage scar treatments. Some doctors offices allow certain scar treatments to be charged to your insurance. Always ask your doctor and insurance company what treatments are covered for scar revision or scar reconstruction. I may not know to much about the field of insurance, but I do know that it's baloney that insurances wouldn't insure you based on a pre-existing condition.
9 hours ago, Dontgiveupitsonlyscars said:I don't agree with your argument because a lot of people have pre-existing conditions and insurance companies do not reject them. They may charge more than the condition-free user but they do not reject. People have all sorts of conditions. I believe with more awareness, insurance companies will coverage scar treatments. Some doctors offices allow certain scar treatments to be charged to your insurance. Always ask your doctor and insurance company what treatments are covered for scar revision or scar reconstruction. I may not know to much about the field of insurance, but I do know that it's baloney that insurances wouldn't insure you based on a pre-existing condition.
I literally work in insurance, and you are correct in your point I did exaggerate. However in the uk its approximately about 1000 a year for private insurance. If you had a pre-existing issue for example one customer had a twisted intestines, which is an expensive procedure about 3000 this was immediately factored into the two year contract. So she in theory payed for her treatment with the normal fee added to cover anything extra or new that might occur. So if for example they were to cover acne scars. A you would have a limit to the amount you can spend on it for example 2000 and in order to use the insurance for that and you had it before taking out the policy you wou,ld needed to declare it as a pre-existing condition. Therefore by doing it through insurance you would pay for your treatment and extra, while limiting yourself to low cost treatments. So we all need to stop dreaming it will never happen and even if it did it would be worked in a way where you would have no benefit.
On 9/11/2021 at 9:36 PM, shei514 said:Thank you. I have a lot of pimple patches for now but might need to do that too
Does anyone get depressed knowing scars are forever?
dr rullan in one of the post mention that some people who had acne skin in the past will start breaking out again after the peel and that is why he gives accutane low dose for a month.
3 hours ago, getsmart121 said:dr rullan in one of the post mention that some people who had acne skin in the past will start breaking out again after the peel and that is why he gives accutane low dose for a month.
Oh okay lol I probably should have gone on accutane but its mellowing out now. I have bad and good weeks for the acne.
Like I was saying you can still Scar from acne depending on genetics even if you dont pop, and it best to assume you do and start controlling acne that is the only way. I used to get a lot of cycstic backne butno scars on the back can you believe that.
dr rullan confirms in this video:
19 hours ago, wombatstaywoke said:@shei514Checking in to see how your complexion is looking so far! Is it the same as your untanned skin? Also how was your experience working with Patricia? I can't for the life of me get a hold of her. She's making it really difficult.
Complexion is still on the pink side. Hasnt changed significantly but now Im breaking out a lot. I said I was mellowing out from my acne but keep getting a new big cyst every couple of days. I will consult a doctor soon and go on a low dose of accutane if needed.
Oh wow, sorry to hear that. I barely consulted with Patricia. Amy resigned basically a week before my phenol so most of my correspondence went through Amy and then only the payment side of things was handled through Patricia. I emailed her once and asked about permanent filler and she relied a few days later.
On 9/16/2021 at 3:32 AM, shei514 said:Oh okay lol I probably should have gone on accutane but its mellowing out now. I have bad and good weeks for the acne.
Hi, thanks so much for sharing your story with us! How's your skin been doing? Did the acne get better? I am also interested in the phenol peel but it is a bitexpensive for me at the moment.
On 4/30/2018 at 8:24 PM, beautifulambition said:** I have merged topics. Please post everything here as it get's confusing.
To all who are reading this she had treatments by other Dermatologists in New Zealand, ... she is now seeing Dr. Lim who did Ultrapulse. As I responded above treatments can do absolutely nothing if done poorly. Ultrapulse is a very strong laser so Dr. Lim must think she has alot of fibrosis that cannot be helped by traditional methods until it's dealt with. I would never tell anyone to do multiple laser treatments first but many patients do this as Dr's push this. This is why qualified practitioner's who specialize in acne scars are so much more effective than standard derms who try to do treatments for severe cases. Dr Lim is one of the few specialist Dr's who can be trusted with energy devices for treatment (other's do standard settings for everyone).
I need to remind here your scars are not her scars, your ability to heal nor your health is completely different, there is a lot more involved than how things looked to acne scars which are individualized. What works for one person may not work for another. One may heal poorly or not respond to treatments.
I used to be DudleyDoRight on here. You are correct in that people heal differently. One week after getting Fraxel Repair at the maximum settings I was driving to Florida from Oklahoma. Each following treatment was easier than the previous. I have since learned that I cannot be used as a measuring stick because the average person does not heal as quickly, and many face complications.
Hello @shei514 long time no talk!! I've been working 50 hours a week, so been M.I.A. on here since December. So happy for you and that improvement is stunning compared to when we joined this site years ago. The phenol peel will take time to see the final results. Just don't pick at any pimples. Keep it going girl!! 
@shei514How's your social life been? I'm most nervous about this since I'm sure it will affect how personal/professional life will change.It's good to hear that your scars are healing up nicely but I'm most worried most complexion given that I'm not skin type I or II and hyperpigmentation is my main issue. Has Dr. Rullan had any follow ups with you outside of the regular ones listed in the procedure outline?
I just got approved for the credit card that will allow me to fund this procedure, my primary doctor still thinks I'm crazy to do this but she doesn't really understand my (mental) pain. I wish you well. Please keep us posted!
@dodgerguyhave you gotten phenol or are planning to? Haven't heard from you in a while!