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On 10/3/2021 at 6:14 PM, dodgerguy said:Hello @shei514 long time no talk!! I've been working 50 hours a week, so been M.I.A. on here since December. So happy for you and that improvement is stunning compared to when we joined this site years ago. The phenol peel will take time to see the final results. Just don't pick at any pimples. Keep it going girl!!
Thank you and wow you must be busy! Are you planning any treatments yourself? Always hard to when work gets in the way!
On 10/5/2021 at 3:57 PM, wombatstaywoke said:@shei514How's your social life been? I'm most nervous about this since I'm sure it will affect how personal/professional life will change. It's good to hear that your scars are healing up nicely but I'm most worried most complexion given that I'm not skin type I or II and hyperpigmentation is my main issue. Has Dr. Rullan had any follow ups with you outside of the regular ones listed in the procedure outline?
I just got approved for the credit card that will allow me to fund this procedure, my primary doctor still thinks I'm crazy to do this but she doesn't really understand my (mental) pain. I wish you well. Please keep us posted!
@dodgerguy have you gotten phenol or are planning to? Haven't heard from you in a while!
It™s been fine no one has noticed or commented on my skin so that™s good. Complexion at 3 months post-op is no issue now. Almost returned to my normal colour. A tinted moisturiser is your best friend or a foundation. No, I have not followed up with him however you can get an oxygen facial for the redness that they recommend. I did not opt for this as it was an additional $100 and I had just spent $6000 so I didn™t want to spend more. But if redness is an issue maybe the oxygen facial will help. It™s not performed by Dr Rullan.
I understand your point. Everyone I told thought I was crazy for considering this and my primary doctor did too. No one really understands scar revision except those who live it and a few select dermatologists. So I don™t even bother explaining to people. Good luck.
On 10/6/2021 at 12:04 PM, turnthepag3 said:wouldn™t phenol peel after filling injure the skin? isn™t it more logical to do phenol peel first and then filling?
Yes you™re correct. Phenol will actually remove any filler you have in your face. I had some filler in my forehead and it was taken away by the phenol. Get filler after. I™m excited to get some permanent filler next year.
On 9/28/2021 at 5:53 AM, shayla2001 said:Hi shei514 do you happen to know dr.peter Rullan's email?
No and I have never contacted him via email. Always through the cosmetic consultant.
On 10/4/2021 at 7:57 PM, wombatstaywoke said:@dodgerguy have you gotten phenol or are planning to? Haven't heard from you in a while!
Hello! I was looking into doing it back when I was on here multiple times everyday. Now that I work a lot and see the progress, I'm not going to do the phenol peel. The combo of down time and cost and side effects make it impossible for me to do. Also, no matter how many scar treatments we do, the scars will never go away. There can be a ton of improvement, but I don't think it's possible to be scarless with the treatments available. More treatments can also make things worse under certain lighting.
My plan is to do yearly chemical peels, because I don't need to do any more CROSS. Also done with subcision and filler. All the treatments I did gave me skin texture issues, so the chemical peel I did in March and using a couple good moisturizers (salicylic acid and Vitamin E) I think are softening the texture issues. 
12 hours ago, dodgerguy said:Hello! I was looking into doing it back when I was on here multiple times everyday. Now that I work a lot and see the progress, I'm not going to do the phenol peel. The combo of down time and cost and side effects make it impossible for me to do. Also, no matter how many scar treatments we do, the scars will never go away. There can be a ton of improvement, but I don't think it's possible to be scarless with the treatments available. More treatments can also make things worse under certain lighting.
My plan is to do yearly chemical peels, because I don't need to do any more CROSS. Also done with subcision and filler. All the treatments I did gave me skin texture issues, so the chemical peel I did in March and using a couple good moisturizers (salicylic acid and Vitamin E) I think are softening the texture issues.
The goal with all these procedure is to soften the shoulders of the scar and lift the scar up. But while these procedure are happening it could give you texture issues but scar specifically should improve. That is why you do peel at the end after all the collateral damage of different treatments giving you texture issues.
agreed scarless can™t happen but if someone has deeper indents noticeable in normal lights then it is worth treating the scarring. Sure you will end up with texture issues from lasers or anything you do. But eventually you should be a good place scar wise. The texture should improve with time and light peels.
19 hours ago, dodgerguy said:Hello! I was looking into doing it back when I was on here multiple times everyday. Now that I work a lot and see the progress, I'm not going to do the phenol peel. The combo of down time and cost and side effects make it impossible for me to do. Also, no matter how many scar treatments we do, the scars will never go away. There can be a ton of improvement, but I don't think it's possible to be scarless with the treatments available. More treatments can also make things worse under certain lighting.
My plan is to do yearly chemical peels, because I don't need to do any more CROSS. Also done with subcision and filler. All the treatments I did gave me skin texture issues, so the chemical peel I did in March and using a couple good moisturizers (salicylic acid and Vitamin E) I think are softening the texture issues.
I agree. There is no miracle cure for acne scarring and for severe acne scarring there is no going back to flawless baby skin like nothing happened. At one point you do your best and accept reality. I will stick with fillers but I™m done with resurfacing for now. I™m glad you have found something that works.
21 hours ago, dodgerguy said:Hello! I was looking into doing it back when I was on here multiple times everyday. Now that I work a lot and see the progress, I'm not going to do the phenol peel. The combo of down time and cost and side effects make it impossible for me to do. Also, no matter how many scar treatments we do, the scars will never go away. There can be a ton of improvement, but I don't think it's possible to be scarless with the treatments available. More treatments can also make things worse under certain lighting.
My plan is to do yearly chemical peels, because I don't need to do any more CROSS. Also done with subcision and filler. All the treatments I did gave me skin texture issues, so the chemical peel I did in March and using a couple good moisturizers (salicylic acid and Vitamin E) I think are softening the texture issues.
Sounds like you are finding peace and able to live life without being constantly worried about your scars! That™s good to hear!! What kind of scars do you have if you don™t mind me asking?
8 hours ago, getsmart121 said:The goal with all these procedure is to soften the shoulders of the scar and liftthe scar up. But while these procedure are happening it could give you texture issues but scar specifically should improve. That is why you do peel at the end after all the collateral damage of different treatments giving you texture issues.
agreed scarless cant happen but if someone has deeper indents noticeable in normal lights then it is worth treating the scarring. Sure you will end up with texture issues from lasers or anything you do. But eventually you should be a good place scar wise. The texture should improve with time and light peels.
Which treatments will give textures issues? I had some done recently but did not know texture issues could be a side effect? Am I right in thinking that is a lot more treatable with topical products?
11 hours ago, perdust said:Which treatments will give textures issues? I had some done recently but did not know texture issues could be a side effect? Am I right in thinking that is a lot more treatable with topical products?
Laser can give texture issues, microneedling can also cause dot appearance depends how you heal. I have seen my texture go bad from laser but boxcars shoulders softened but again I did fractional so maybe bevause of that
On 10/30/2021 at 9:29 PM, getsmart121 said:@shei514Any more improvement in scar post chemobrasion.
Nothing major to report
1 hour ago, wombatstaywoke said:@shei514is your facial complexion matching your nontanned skin?
Yes a little pink here and there but mostly 80% normal now. I am four months post-op.
8 hours ago, catchingFeelings said:has phenol chemabrasion been ineffective for acne scars?
No, I would not say that. I just dont think theres any benefit to providing any more pictures at this point. Maybe at 6 months post-op.
14 hours ago, shei514 said:Yes a little pink here and there but mostly 80% normal now. I am four months post-op.
No, I would not say that. I just dont think theres any benefit to providing any more pictures at this point. Maybe at 6 months post-op.
Judging by the photos, I felt that phenol chemabrasion therapy gave you the best recovery. How you feel is more important. There are also those who say that phenol is ineffective for deep scars.
8 hours ago, catchingFeelings said:Judging by the photos, I felt that phenol chemabrasion therapy gave you the best recovery. How you feel is more important. There are also those who say that phenol is ineffective for deep scars.
Its definitely the treatment that has given me the most improvement overall in one single session. I ideally think two phenol treatments are needed for severe scars (but this isnt practical or financially reasonable). Lets put it this way, I am grateful for the phenol and what its done for me.
And youre right, it is ineffective for very deep scars. My two boxcars have had minimal improvement from the phenol and a couple of other boxcars as well. But its not like I thought this peel would eliminate every single scar.
I might throw some photos up in harsh lighting to show people where I am at. I dont want to sound doom or gloom about the phenol. Its a great treatment option. Its just severe scars are just so hard to treat, especially old scars and some of my scars are 10+ years old.
7.11.2021'de 22:48'de shei514 sunlari soyledi:Tek bir seansta genel olarak bana en cok yaratildigi kesin kesinlikle bu. Ideal olarak ticari yara icin iki fenol tedavisine sahip oldugunu dusunuyorum (bu pratik veya ekonomik olarak makul degil). soyle yapalim.
Ve haklisin, cok derinde hayal kirikligidir. Benim iki vagon diger fenolden ve birkac vagondan cok az gelisme gosterdi. Ama bu kabugun onu yara izini yok dusunmemistim.
Insanlara nerede bulabileceginiz icin sert isikta bazi fotograflar atilabilir. Fenol hakkinda karamsar ya da karamsarlik istemek. Harika bir secenektir. Sadece eski yaran tedavisine cok zor, eski yara ve bazi yaram 10+ yasinda.
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Does your face gets really red if you touch it? For example, if you touch your face or sleep on your arm on your face.
I think I did the phenol a couple of months before you did and recently I noticed that if I turn red by drinking/embarrassment/flush/picking skin, it turns really really red before turning back to it's original color (more red than pre-phenol).
On 11/11/2021 at 7:38 AM, gynoscar said:Does your face gets really red if you touch it? For example, if you touch your face or sleep on your arm on your face.
I think I did the phenol a couple of months before you did and recently I noticed that if I turn red by drinking/embarrassment/flush/picking skin, it turns really really red before turning back to it's original color (more red than pre-phenol).
Yes I have noticed this myself. However I am extremely pale anyway and very prone to redness lol but I have woken up with a red face and I am noticing what you are saying. I dont mind this as a side effect as Id rather trade scarring for redness and hyperpigmentation any day.
On 11/10/2021 at 10:38 AM, gynoscar said:Does your face gets really red if you touch it? For example, if you touch your face or sleep on your arm on your face.
I think I did the phenol a couple of months before you did and recently I noticed that if I turn red by drinking/embarrassment/flush/picking skin, it turns really really red before turning back to it's original color (more red than pre-phenol).
Wait, are you saying that months after phenol peel your skin becomes sensitive in the sense that if you press against it it turns red? Like, 2-months post op red or like a pinkish tone? Can you post a video/photo elaborating. That's really interesting and concerning
2 hours ago, wombatstaywoke said:Wait, are you saying that months after phenol peel your skin becomes sensitive in the sense that if you press against it it turns red? Like, 2-months post op red or like a pinkish tone? Can you post a video/photo elaborating. That's really interesting and concerning
Yeah is this a perm thing or only during recovery first 6 months or so?
But a bit sensitivity in exchange for scar improvement is not a very bad trade off. Usually, you can calm the sensitivity down.
@shei514will you be posting an update soon? It sounds like you're for the most part already healed up given that you're thinking about getting a semi-permanent filler for your skin? How's your complexion and texture going so far? Better, worse? I have my appointment on the 21 and 22nd so I'm a little nervous and excited for a change.
How did you handle work by the way? Did your coworkers say anything about your face being super red?
On 12/5/2021 at 9:24 AM, wombatstaywoke said:@shei514will you be posting an update soon? It sounds like you're for the most part already healed up given that you're thinking about getting a semi-permanent filler for your skin? How's your complexion and texture going so far? Better, worse? I have my appointment on the 21 and 22nd so I'm a little nervous and excited for a change.
How did you handle work by the way? Did your coworkers say anything about your face being super red?
I probably wont be posing any updates soon, I think I look more of less the same. Yeah I will most likely go ahead with the filler in April 2022. Maybe punch excision for a stubborn boxcar. Complexion is fine more or less normal at this point. This procedure is definitely not for the scared lol it is intense wishing you luck.
I did not work at the time so did not have any comments or questions about it.
On 12/7/2021 at 6:04 PM, getsmart121 said:@shei514do u happen to get treatment notes with dr rullan for phenol chemobrasion? He uses two different concentration for face and under eyes. This would really helpful info to differentiate the percentage he is using for different ethnicities.
No, there was a fee involved and I had to sign things snd didnt have access to a printer or anything so I forgot about it.
4 hours ago, shei514 said:I probably wont be posing any updates soon, I think I look more of less the same. Yeah I will most likely go ahead with the filler in April 2022. Maybe punch excision for a stubborn boxcar. Complexion is fine more or less normal at this point. This procedure is definitely not for the scared lol it is intense wishing you luck.
I did not work at the time so did not have any comments or questions about it.
No, there was a fee involved and I had to sign things snd didnt have access to a printer or anything so I forgot about it.
Ok no worries. There are online pdf fillers you dont need a printer for it. Also as far as I know there should be no fees for the notes.
On 9/27/2021 at 12:53 PM, shayla2001 said:Hi shei514 do you happen to know dr.peter Rullan's email?
Hi @shayla2001, I have an email address for Dr. Rullan's office if you want it. Feel free to message me
Does anyone have any recommendations for filler. I want considerable filler work done on my cheeks, forehead/temples. LA area preferred. Im thinking of not going ahead with permanent filler at this stage. Just temporary. Need someone who is experienced and skilled with acne scars. I could go down and see dr rullan however not sure at this stage so some La based recommendations would be awesome.