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25 minutes ago, pleasehelp321 said:Yes Getsmart121 i do have some fat atrophy but not that much and that is mainly on the LHS. I dont like the larger scarred pores type scars ice pick type and the larger ones on the LHS. I am willing to use filler yes but it just doesnt last ive done it 4-5 times over the years and lucky it lasted one month!
Ok legend if I post my scars in normal lights and not harsh lighting or blacked out lighting they are not really noticeable? what does this mean?
Um what I would expect post procedure is for the scarred pores and larger ice pick scars as posted in my previous photos to be more like a linear scar line scar or smaller?
If in normal lights your skin looks fine with no scars it means your scars are not severe and most people cant see your scars. Phenol will help shallow boxcars, enlarged pores, linear lines, tiny icepicks with LoweRdepth(not the deep indentEd ones). In short anything that doesnt have deeper atrophy. You do understand what liquification process is, that is what phenol does. So day1 he applies the phenol acid and on day 2 he uses a tounguedepressor to scrape the melted skin and apply the acid again on raw skin. As per his article he said he uses sandpaper, curretee or toungue depressor to physically scrape the skin on day 2.
I know you posted some pictures before, but wasnt able to see scarred pores if that are concerns then it should definitely help. Visualize in youRMind if this scar/enlarged pores/boxcarmelts how would it look like. I mean it would still there but harderto pinpoint.correct? You see where I am going. If you want linear scars go for excision. Just take a blue marker and the mark the scars where you want liner scars but cant be all over cheek then it doesnt make sense.
As I said before the 3rd photo the 4-5 big noticeable ones i had punch excision and this is how they look now...as for the 4th photo this freaks me out as the skin is rather wavy and shows the deep rolling scars
So are you saying even in harsh lights as the 4th picture most people wont see this type of scarring?
and so after a phenol peel as per the 4th photo would scars still look like this?
And i iwsh i could find someone in Australia who does this noone does only Dr Rullan in America
11 minutes ago, pleasehelp321 said:And if someone could circle me on photos 3-4 what phenol peel would help with which scars?
or other treatments they think would help with certain scars and circle them or let me know? cheers
This photo was sent to me by amy. These pictures are in in dark background lights. I am not sure the duration of before and after could be 6 months or more after phenol chemobrasion.
Again this is the potential of the procedure. Will you have these results, i dont know. Depends on your healing ability. Good thing about rullan is he takes picture in dark lighting similar to your 4th pic lighting.
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Yes Getsmart121 but the 2nd photo is not in harsh lighting...could you go over my questions i sent you in the previous 2 slides of myn? would be appreciated for your response...Kind regards
And lets be honest you really need to meet the patient in person to see what they thought of the result not the doctor or their assistant as that could be full of crap
Plus for the f3d young fellow I want to see his results post a couple of months after and in real harsh lighting? You never see them anymore who knows if it worked or not?
57 minutes ago, pleasehelp321 said:Yes Getsmart121 but the 2nd photo is not in harsh lighting...could you go over my questions i sent you in the previous 2 slides of myn? would be appreciated for your response...Kind regards
WTF is wrong with you, both of these pictures are in harsh lights, but remember both are in closed lights, it will be very hard to hide scarring even with changing angles in a closed light, i cropped the pictures to protect her identity both are with closed lights and with lighting only on the cheeks(spoiler alert i have both the pics). If you cant get satisfied with this, then not sure what will help you. You can ask dr rullan for the full photo.
You need to be able to look in the mirror and identify which scar is what, i already told you what scars it will help. If you are asking if the procedure is meant to work for that scar, yes. Will it help for you. I dont know. This is not exact science all procedure involves damaging and hoping it heals the way we want it to heal.
Nobody can replicate the exact angle of the photo, this is the closest meaning we can draw. He is the only derm who takes photos in closed lighting with light on face. Most take pictures in open lighting.
1 hour ago, pleasehelp321 said:As I said before the 3rd photo the 4-5 big noticeable ones i had punch excision and this is how they look now...as for the 4th photo this freaks me out as the skin is rather wavy and shows the deep rolling scars
So are you saying even in harsh lights as the 4th picture most people wont see this type of scarring?
and so after a phenol peel as per the 4th photo would scars still look like this?
And i iwsh i could find someone in Australia who does this noone does only Dr Rullan in America
To me in normal lights your scarring is not severe and when angled lighting hits you can see the wavy texture thats all. The probability of that happening in real life is very slim. So you be rest assured you are fine. If i were you I would be enjoying life while we are on this temporary earth. Nobody is expecting at your age for you to look like a model anyways. I think you look normal in most lights. Filler should be able able for improve the outcome with your 4th pic. If there is anything the camera is not capturing them most likely phenol should be able to resolve it.
Its so hard to know...do u have photos of your scars getsmart121? Or you prefer not to show them? I know u said when we first met u were going to get the phenol peel also right?
I'm just so unsure if it will help with respect to the scarring in my pictures 3 and 4 in the harsh lighting and who knows how long it lasts?
You getsmart121 are such a caring nice hearted person as said would dream to make bigger scars less visible...that's what bothers me the most wavy skin and bigger pits in harsh lighting
do you have two user ids on acne org?
I havent had the phenol peel for now. But I have seen a lot of pictures following by having conversation with the person who done it and the pictures stand proofto that theory. If I were in your shoes and want to improve the scarring as you had in 3 and 4. I would give phenol a try because of the mechanics behind it and not keep filler out.Think about it, phenol is not only melting your abnormal skin but also your healthy skin in the hopes that it will be more uniform. Will it happen I dont know. You have said it yourself you have tried everything. Your solution is not a bandage solution but to look for more overall improvement.
Its so hard to know...do u have photos of your scars getsmart121? Or you prefer not to show them? I know u said when we first met u were going to get the phenol peel also right?
I'm just so unsure if it will help with respect to the scarring in my pictures 3 and 4 in the harsh lighting and who knows how long it lasts?
You getsmart121 are such a caring nice hearted person as said would dream to make bigger scars less visible
Yes one of my accounts on my phone was here long time ago
Wish I could find someone in Australia who does it but I've tried to find hard to so now because of covid and it looks like in America id have to spend 1 to 2 months there because of redness etc
I also await to see long term results of phenol peel of patients as I will have spent over 40000 on acne scar treatments...
16 minutes ago, tryinghard123 said:I'm just so unsure if it will help with respect to the scarring in my pictures 3 and 4 in the harsh lighting and who knows how long it lasts?
Phenol peel doesn't fix fat loss. It mainly target scars that can be seen in normal lighting. So no it won't help your scars in pic 3/4.
I think the only way to fix fat loss is by fillers.
And also what's the difference like getting co2 ablative laser a few times which also goes deep and melts the skin and phenol peel? I've done and others done co2 lasers and no results...like this phenol peel is some magic or something how come only 1 acne scar doctor in the world does it?
Lol why do you need to spend 1 month. At the max you need to be in USA for 12 days. About the redness who cares you will be anyhow wearing mask. And you are a man here is a tip, grow a beard that will hide the demarcation line till it resolves. Because it is very aggressive procedure, it reaches deeper than co2, you remember what user F39d told that he was not able to see difference in small texture issue of the skin even after having those laser procedures. Please read this publication from rullan:
https://www.drrullan.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/3431158a99250d951e124f497a9197c2.pdf
Gynoscar i agree with you just done filler 4 to 5 times lucky if it lasts 1 month that's why I'm sad and upset abt it and only improves very slightly
Ok Getsmart121 i will do more further research i hope we can see more results from the young lady who had phenol peel to see more of the long term result and in harsh lighting and angled too...
29 minutes ago, tryinghard123 said:Gynoscar i agree with you just done filler 4 to 5 times lucky if it lasts 1 month that's why I'm sad and upset abt it and only improves very slightly
Ok Getsmart121 i will do more further research i hope we can see more results from the young lady who had phenol peel to see more of the long term result and in harsh lighting and angled too...
What about fat filler?
I will probably try filler again though it lasts less than 1 month for me done it 4 to 5 times in past but haven't done in a while
If that fails as I expect it to not last long I have no option to try phenol peel after more research as noone does it in Australia and this bothers me alot as u know
I went to 4 plastic surgeons in Australia and not one recommended fat graft transfer or fat filler
I dont know if I want to show my skin in the worst possible lighting because it opens up the conversation to youre a poor healer youve had no improvement. When the reality is people in real life think Im crazy for saying I have severe acne scarring. I do not hold a torch to my face and tell people I know to come gawk at me and see every flaw to prove a point.Overhead lighting is useful but its not realistic. Im not going to post photos for a bit, I dont think I can handle any negative comments after basically going broke to fund this procedure. I can say for a fact my scars look so much better and when I get ready in the morning I see a lot less scarring in the mirror. Sometimes this isnt the easiest thing to capture on camera. In person the scars are looking great. My scars will never look flat in overhead lighting. But this doesnt mean Im not being truthful about my journey. Why are we acne scar sufferers trying so hard to make our skin look perfect for a lighting situation no one will ever see us in? Its really crazy
https://www.instagram.com/p/CS0IhdvhJyV/
here is an interesting post from dr lim. I know not everyone here likes him and thats an opinion youre allowed to have. Just food for thought.
Shei514 you make me cry just now you are so young and please accept my apology as I'm going thru headaches and depression because of this sickness and disease to me its a disease as it has wrecked me so I pray u get the results that will make you happy and not suffer for what I have until this age...kind regards
Shei514 please please please accept my apology and I pray in my heart your scars will look better to make you happy...you truly really made a grown man cry at 45 from someone who has suffered from this crap an insidious disease for me anyway
2 minutes ago, tryinghard123 said:Shei514 you make me cry just now you are so young and please accept my apology as I'm going thru headaches and depression because of this sickness and disease to me its a disease as it has wrecked me so I pray u get the results that will make you happy and not suffer for what I have until this age...kind regards
Shei514 please please please accept my apology and I pray in my heart your scars will look better to make you happy...you truly really made a grown man cry at 45 from someone who has suffered from this crap an insidious disease for me anyway
It really does feel that way. Ive been there many times over. My acne scars have made me cry much more than any other personal issue has. Its a very hard thing to deal with, many people do not understand. Wishing you the best. Maybe permanent filler is the option for people like us with deep rolling scars. Thats my personal opinion any way.
Permanent filler can cause granulomas i seen it happen please be careful you are so young and I don't want u to have granulomas
And as someone who has had the huge courage to do phenol peel well done to u champion you have a huge heart do u think the 2 day phenol peel I know its hard to say would have any benefit for my scars which would bring me to 40000 spent over 20 years? I know its hard to say as someone's skin may respond just wondering looking at my scars? Many thanks stay strong head up you have huge courage for someone young
43 minutes ago, shei514 said:I dont know if I want to show my skin in the worst possible lighting because it opens up the conversation to youre a poor healer youve had no improvement. When the reality is people in real life think Im crazy for saying I have severe acne scarring. I do not hold a torch to my face and tell people I know to come gawk at me and see every flaw to prove a point.Overhead lighting is useful but its not realistic. Im not going to post photos for a bit, I dont think I can handle any negative comments after basically going broke to fund this procedure. I can say for a fact my scars look so much better and when I get ready in the morning I see a lot less scarring in the mirror. Sometimes this isnt the easiest thing to capture on camera. In person the scars are looking great. My scars will never look flat in overhead lighting. But this doesnt mean Im not being truthful about my journey. Why are we acne scar sufferers trying so hard to make our skin look perfect for a lighting situation no one will ever see us in? Its really crazy
https://www.instagram.com/p/CS0IhdvhJyV/
here is an interesting post from dr lim. I know not everyone here likes him and thats an opinion youre allowed to have. Just food for thought.
Thats exactly what I think camera cannot capture the exact Improvement we see in mirror.But should be used for a general feel of improvement. To be honest I didnt feel your scars were sever except some boxcars. But I agree smoothness of the skin needed to be improved, and I see thats exactly were phenol came in. I was trying for so long to understand how phenol would actually help scars. Your photos did a brilliant job at understanding that. If you see user F39d his scarring was not from super close, and he mostly had volume loss.but with the texture scarring aka smoothing I see super big change in your scars. Only thing left is adding of volume with fillers.
20 minutes ago, tryinghard123 said:Maybe I myself need filler again and do often again though it costs alot of money for me anyway?
And the phenol peel has no effect on rolling scars or not?
Opinions?
See Bella Gil or anything semi Permanent and see if it is causing any issues for you. If you are not having any issues you can go for full cheek.
6 hours ago, Amanda Hall said:In my experience, there are fewer honest doctors than greedy ones. They don't set the right expectations and don't disclose the full extent of the risks.
The more you discover about Dr. Lim, the more it pisses you off that he has so many followers who don't have a clue that he has ulterior motives and doesn't consistently deliver the results that he brags about on YouTube.
This is why it's important for us to share information to fellow patients. Scars can't be removed. Non-ablative lasers will do almost nothing for most people. We can save people money and time by educating them.
Yeahall we can do is share experience and have more information to decide on about doctors and treatments. If someone knows a treatment only gives minimal improvement like non ablative why say it will remove the scars completely? It is the most common lie I have heard from dermatologists. The most improvement for my scars has been from subcision, rf microneedling and fillers. everything else non ablative, peels, etc was worthless for me.