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33 minutes ago, pleasehelp321 said:These pictures still show plenty of scarring it did not help
Im not here to argue but please do not comment on my thread ever again. If youre a troll or what I dont care. All you do is say negative shit and it literally helps no one.
Just now, pleasehelp321 said:No i just said I dont see no difference and I have worser scars than yours and im not here to argue
Ok but you are spreading negativity. I spent $6k on this procedure and for someone to say they see no difference thats extremely hurtful. Those photos were also taken days after the mask came off where the mask left marks on my face. Please stop. If no treatments work and youve tried them all just stop and leave this thread.
Ok but would be good to see your results in harsh sunlight or lighting as you have posted before
and also who cares what I say or what anybody says it what you think...people have called me pockhead scarface but I ignore them....i dont like my scars they make me miserable but I dont care what people say of them
and ive spent 30k btw over 20 years
2 minutes ago, shei514 said:Ok but you are spreading negativity. I spent $6k on this procedure and for someone to say they see no difference thats extremely hurtful. Those photos were also taken days after the mask came off where the mask left marks on my face. Please stop. If no treatments work and youve tried them all just stop and leave this thread.
please dont listen to this guy its bullsh1t your improvement is huge and undereverday lighting must be almost invisible to people at converation distance I hope your proud and that money hasnt been a waste in the way of getting inprovement. However you looked great with out without scars
8 hours ago, pleasehelp321 said:Ok but would be good to see your results in harsh sunlight or lighting as you have posted before
and also who cares what I say or what anybody says it what you think...people have called me pockhead scarface but I ignore them....i dont like my scars they make me miserable but I dont care what people say of them
and ive spent 30k btw over 20 years
What are you trying to compare it with, are you comparing to a baby face? That is never possible. The aim of all scar treatments is lifting and smoothing the scar to normal skin. So that it doesn™t draw attention. With this procedure of her and filler it will be most undetectable as possible. If you see her comparison pictures you could see her edges have blended in smoothly and remember she is still healing. Her pictures are for reference and she is helping the community as what can be expected through the procedure at different timelines. She understands the desperation other acne scarring people suffer and in order to know what treatments work, she has volunteered to guide other people the good and bad of these procedures. She doesn™t have to do this but she is doing to let people know what procedures can help plus she is showing in the worst lighting ever to show the community. This is in no way a final result yet . Even if it is final result she has smoothed out most of her scars, now a filler will bring her to ultimately close the seal.
you really need to understand what your scar revision goal is, your goal should be to make it undetectable, and not make it baby smooth skin. I think doctors make a poor job at explaining this to patients on how scar revision works.
Remeeber collagen grows at the bottom, not at the top. For new skin and results to come in, it will take time as the new skin keep pushing, her results will be improving. It takes nearly 42 days to complete a skin cycle. That is why you need to wait atleast two cycles and beyond to see improvement a notecable change. She didn™t had a hair cut to say that she doesn™t look different, she had a phenol for godsake, this thins your complete surface, your surface will start to grow evenly as time passes by as the new skin keeps traveling to top. You can™t override biology. Commenting on a picture that is just 13 days in,tell me you need reasons to discredit the person or your complete negligence to how skin biology works.
You could spend 30k on microneedling and say why you didn™t had improvement means nothing as that can™t help scars lift. I don™t know the list of procedures you had and their timelines. The thing is you need to spend money on the treatment that is giving you results and keep doing more of what is working. If you see improvement you need to keep doing that treatment more. Also with every treatment, I believe this is the foundation of getting results. Treatment settings/skill, type of procedure, and your healing ability. Disturb any of the parameters you won™t get the results you are looking for.
inspiration post: https://www.instagram.com/p/CDcviG-AniQ/?utm_medium=copy_link
he just didn™t get these results from laser alone, it was a combination of laser, subcision and fillers and also he treated it early and his healing ability, very similiar to your scarring @pleasehelp321
@pleasehelp321 so many people tried to help you on your threads despite the constant negativity that was coming from you that would have totallyput off any non-scar sufferer. I really don't think that jumping on the thread of someone who has been so helpful for the forum and sharing her experience with different doctors and procedures and spreading negativityis the way to go! The phenol peel is not a miracle treatment but to say it doesn't bring any improvement is ridiculous. She is still in the healing phase and results should be evaluated at the 6 month mark. Dr Rullan even says that improvement is still seen up until the 12th month. Besides, her age is a huge advantage and can mean huge improvement as well, it will show in a few months. Really nothing but a huge thank youto Shei514 is due here who is contributing so much.
and as i am simply saying the pictures of my scars have become ten times worser since my 20s when i first got them and that is after doing all acne scar treatments over 20 years and spending well north of over 30k plus plus plus...i will leave it at that
jaysonc i respect your comment just saying thats all
got be aware of 99.9 percent of acne scar doctors i got frauded by that davin lim fellow to the tune of thousands i would rip his head off if i saw him in public and know many others who think the same of that maggot
1 hour ago, pleasehelp321 said:and as i am simply saying the pictures of my scars have become ten times worser since my 20s when i first got them and that is after doing all acne scar treatments over 20 years and spending well north of over 30k plus plus plus...i will leave it at that
jaysonc i respect your comment just saying thats all
got be aware of 99.9 percent of acne scar doctors i got frauded by that davin lim fellow to the tune of thousands i would rip his head off if i saw him in public and know many others who think the same of that maggot
Ok here the deal what do you want to do, I understand you spent a lot of money but treatment is one part and the healing is another part. You can have the best treatment but for some reason if your skin is not generating enough collagen then doesnt matter what you do. Realistically you should its like if you get a cut you are saying you dont get a cut. The skin follows its repair cycle. Again your scarring is not bad you just need to lift the skin with fillers. You keeps saying it is bad over and over again. You have shallow scars at most and your skin produces a bit of wavyappearance. And also we dont know what subcision procedures you had done and how many. But in your case I would say just find a laser doctor tell him to only target the edges of the scars not full cheek. Something has to happen otherwise you are not human lol.
see this study: https://www.laserandhealthacademy.com/media/objave/academy/priponke/cb_13_06_1_acne_scars___y_targonskaya.pdf
This study has laser settings information as well. Goto a doctor who follow these settings on you or adjust accordingly for you.
Getsmart very appreciative comments I just cant find a competent doctor in Brisbane thats the issue Lim is a criminal and definitely not a doctor more like a fraudster do you know of anyone in brisbane if not australia?
I am willing to try filler again though it did not really work for me the 4-5 times ive done it before and lasted less than a month though a doctor overseas told me id need 4-5 ml of it and thats big cost and again who knows it will prob last only less than a month?
as for lasering the edges none of these doctors i goto in brisbane are competent so dont know where to go?
once again thanks for your understanding and i will not post any comments abt the young lady anymore...stay safe
and most recently i done 3 subcision procedures in the last 5 months and this was the beginning of 2021
9 minutes ago, pleasehelp321 said:Getsmart very appreciative comments I just cant find a competent doctor in Brisbane thats the issue Lim is a criminal and definitely not a doctor more like a fraudster do you know of anyone in brisbane if not australia?
I am willing to try filler again though it did not really work for me the 4-5 times ive done it before and lasted less than a month though a doctor overseas told me id need 4-5 ml of it and thats big cost and again who knows it will prob last only less than a month?
as for lasering the edges none of these doctors i goto in brisbane are competent so dont know where to go?
once again thanks for your understanding and i will not post any comments abt the young lady anymore...stay safe
and most recently i done 3 subcision procedures in the last 5 months and this was the beginning of 2021
You should have some website where you canlookup doctors with lasers, here is one I found https://www.dermcoll.edu.au/find-a-derm/ call each of them ask if they perform this procedure.I guess then you dont have much tethering only thing is ablating those scar edges as much as possible.
3 hours ago, pleasehelp321 said:and as i am simply saying the pictures of my scars have become ten times worser since my 20s when i first got them and that is after doing all acne scar treatments over 20 years and spending well north of over 30k plus plus plus...i will leave it at that
jaysonc i respect your comment just saying thats all
got be aware of 99.9 percent of acne scar doctors i got frauded by that davin lim fellow to the tune of thousands i would rip his head off if i saw him in public and know many others who think the same of that maggot
Dr Lim is not a miracle worker. There are some people who he has helped. But I agree that many doctors are selling you false hopes that they can remove your scars and don't set realistic expectations. I have also spent over 20 k for treatments mate, that's the scar treatments' price. Have I seen improvement? From some treatments yes. Would I do it all over again? Yes. It's trial and error with treatments. I can live with that even if I know I will probably nevet get rid of them completely. I think you should strive for the same because you will never have baby smooth skin.
7 hours ago, JaysonC said:Dr Lim is not a miracle worker. There are some people who he has helped. But I agree that many doctors are selling you false hopes that they can remove your scars and don't set realistic expectations. I have also spent over 20 k for treatments mate, that's the scar treatments' price. Have I seen improvement? From some treatments yes. Would I do it all over again? Yes. It's trial and error with treatments. I can live with that even if I know I will probably nevet get rid of them completely. I think you should strive for the same because you will never have baby smooth skin.
Yes this is the issue. The dermatologist should be discussing with the patient what their expectations are long term and if they cant be met they should decline the patient. I know Lim has talked briefly about this on YouTube about declining patients. If someone with severe scars (like me from the beginning)expects baby smooth skin this will likely never happen. Severe acne scar sufferers have the most emotional pain and the stakesare high. We want to be normal and function in society without being bullied and looked at like we are monsters
Hi JaysonC agreed with your comment but I have got no improvement whatsoever lucky if 5 percent for 30k worth and 30k worths of struggles...
And that Lim person is the worst of the worst money hungry and rants on a youtube like hes best acne scar doctor in the world he is the absolute worst lol
shei54 i absolutely 110 percent agree with your comment...
The dermatologist should be discussing with the patient what their expectations are long term and if they cant be met they should decline the patient.
Go on the ratemds site the real site thats not tampered by doctors unlike realself and see all the negative reviews this Lim person
I have spoken to many many many people who would rip Lim to pieces the amount of money he has stolen and the frivalous lies that come out of his mouth....he was one time suspended too....and now has changed his business from westside to cutis to hide his dirty and criminal tracks
at least do you see dr rullan bragging on instagram and youtube he is best acne scar doctor in the world? NO but the lim criminal thrives on it
honestly i would be over the moon if i was in shei, she had a really noticeable improvement, personally i think around 90%. now your residual scars are very minimal. The phenol peeling by dr. Rullan, like the one made by fd93, can really work wonders ...
15 hours ago, shei514 said:Yes this is the issue. The dermatologist should be discussing with the patient what their expectations are long term and if they cant be met they should decline the patient. I know Lim has talked briefly about this on YouTube about declining patients. If someone with severe scars (like me from the beginning)expects baby smooth skin this will likely never happen. Severe acne scar sufferers have the most emotional pain and the stakesare high. We want to be normal and function in society without being bullied and looked at like we are monsters
I agree many if not all dermatologists are not straightforward with us and are not telling us the real results we should expect. The first doctor I saw told me she will remove my scars with non ablative fractional laser and botox. Years and almost all possible scar treatments later I still have someof my scars even though they have been greatly improved to the point of me not caring so much. Dermatologists lie about the improvement one can get, tell you 70% when you can get only 20% at a time, or don't inform you about what can go wrong and when something happens play the fool. That's why I am telling you not to expect miracles from any treatments and that chances are that we'll still have the scars, even though improved and close to normal. That being said,I really see great improvement after your treatments and hopefully with the peel and some filler you will see even more. But I don't know if it will be like the 80-90% Rullan promises from the phenol. About the emotional suffering it's a lot but one needs to work on self- acceptance and self-confidence, there is no other way.
10 hours ago, pleasehelp321 said:Hi JaysonC agreed with your comment but I have got no improvement whatsoever lucky if 5 percent for 30k worth and 30k worths of struggles...
And that Lim person is the worst of the worst money hungry and rants on a youtube like hes best acne scar doctor in the world he is the absolute worst lol
shei54 i absolutely 110 percent agree with your comment...
The dermatologist should be discussing with the patient what their expectations are long term and if they cant be met they should decline the patient.
Go on the ratemds site the real site thats not tampered by doctors unlike realself and see all the negative reviews this Lim person
I have spoken to many many many people who would rip Lim to pieces the amount of money he has stolen and the frivalous lies that come out of his mouth....he was one time suspended too....and now has changed his business from westside to cutis to hide his dirty and criminal tracks
at least do you see dr rullan bragging on instagram and youtube he is best acne scar doctor in the world? NO but the lim criminal thrives on it
Mate, I have also have sever scars the type of Shei's scarring and I have seen good improvement from my treatments I really dont frankly understand how you got 0. Maybe you want to get rid of the scars completely, which is impossible. When you see 0 improvement, maybe you shouldjust stop. Othewise it's massochism and throwing your hard earned money out the window.
Hey JaysonC well actually at the most and I mean the most 5 percent...for 30ks plus worth and 20 years of trying and researching...I got similar and worser scars than the young lady at her age (in her 20s) and this has and now in my mid 40s which will inevitably lead to worser scars in my 50s 60s 70s etc etc as I age obviously
On 8/21/2021 at 3:55 PM, shei514 said:Yes this is the issue. The dermatologist should be discussing with the patient what their expectations are long term and if they cant be met they should decline the patient. I know Lim has talked briefly about this on YouTube about declining patients. If someone with severe scars (like me from the beginning)expects baby smooth skin this will likely never happen. Severe acne scar sufferers have the most emotional pain and the stakesare high. We want to be normal and function in society without being bullied and looked at like we are monsters
In my experience, there are fewer honest doctors than greedy ones. They don't set the right expectations and don't disclose the full extent of the risks.
20 hours ago, pleasehelp321 said:Hi JaysonC agreed with your comment but I have got no improvement whatsoever lucky if 5 percent for 30k worth and 30k worths of struggles...
And that Lim person is the worst of the worst money hungry and rants on a youtube like hes best acne scar doctor in the world he is the absolute worst lol
shei54 i absolutely 110 percent agree with your comment...
The dermatologist should be discussing with the patient what their expectations are long term and if they cant be met they should decline the patient.
Go on the ratemds site the real site thats not tampered by doctors unlike realself and see all the negative reviews this Lim person
I have spoken to many many many people who would rip Lim to pieces the amount of money he has stolen and the frivalous lies that come out of his mouth....he was one time suspended too....and now has changed his business from westside to cutis to hide his dirty and criminal tracks
at least do you see dr rullan bragging on instagram and youtube he is best acne scar doctor in the world? NO but the lim criminal thrives on it
The more you discover about Dr. Lim, the more it pisses you off that he has so many followers who don't have a clue that he has ulterior motives and doesn't consistently deliver the results that he brags about on YouTube.
10 hours ago, JaysonC said:I agree many if not all dermatologists are not straightforward with us and are not telling us the real results we should expect. The first doctor I saw told me she will remove my scars with non ablative fractional laser and botox. Years and almost all possible scar treatments later I still have someof my scars even though they have been greatly improved to the point of me not caring so much. Dermatologists lie about the improvement one can get, tell you 70% when you can get only 20% at a time, or don't inform you about what can go wrong and when something happens play the fool. That's why I am telling you not to expect miracles from any treatments and that chances are that we'll still have the scars, even though improved and close to normal. That being said,I really see great improvement after your treatments and hopefully with the peel and some filler you will see even more. But I don't know if it will be like the 80-90% Rullan promises from the phenol. About the emotional suffering it's a lot but one needs to work on self- acceptance and self-confidence, there is no other way.
Mate, I have also have sever scars the type of Shei's scarring and I have seen good improvement from my treatments I really dont frankly understand how you got 0. Maybe you want to get rid of the scars completely, which is impossible. When you see 0 improvement, maybe you shouldjust stop. Othewise it's massochism and throwing your hard earned money out the window.
This is why it's important for us to share information to fellow patients. Scars can't be removed. Non-ablative lasers will do almost nothing for most people. We can save people money and time by educating them.
44 minutes ago, pleasehelp321 said:Hey JaysonC well actually at the most and I mean the most 5 percent...for 30ks plus worth and 20 years of trying and researching...I got similar and worser scars than the young lady at her age (in her 20s) and this has and now in my mid 40s which will inevitably lead to worser scars in my 50s 60s 70s etc etc as I age obviously
Again what were you trying to do solve indents,smoothing scars. What were your target goal? To have no volume loss nothing, if these were your targets then the best thing was stopping acne at early stage. If the damage is done then you can lift the scars and smooth the edges but you would still se volume loss in and out, not indented scar., just slight wavy texture and that can be resolved with filler. If you still have prominent edges then ablative laser on the edges. The way phenol does is it liquidifies the skin all the way to upper dermis. Here is an expirement for how phenol works. Goto a store and get a chocolate bar square, poke the chocolate such that you can replicate scarring, take a picture. Then melt it a bit with blow dryer. Till you see wavy appearance but no specific way to differentiate scars you created then freeze it. Do you see the surface is smooth but didnt do much for atrophy. Now since we are humans that is not completely the same. But you get the idea. That is why after phenol you see scars smoothedwith some effect on scar lifting and tightening as it liquifieS the skin. That is why phenol is not recommended if you want to lift deeper indents. Although it still lifts scars but healing is limited to the body potential of generating collagen.
this theory can be confirmed with shei pics that all her scars are way smoother and it is hard to pinpoint a specific scar edgestart and end. If you see her pics before the procedure, although her scars were lifted you could still tell were the most scar edge startS and ends. This is where phenol helps to fix the skin, it removes the ability to tell where the scar edges starts and ends. But now it will give a very light wavy appearance in certain lightsand this can be resolved with filler or go for 2nd chemobrasion for further flattening of skin.
Amanda Hall excellent comment well said
Getsmart121 - do you think a phenol peel would help my scars? like as in the young lady done by rullan?
And Dr Rullan is at least a little honest and tries to be honest The Lim fellow is a greedy scum who preys on social media
(or anyone for that matter do they think phenol peel would help my scarring)?
32 minutes ago, pleasehelp321 said:Amanda Hall excellent comment well said
Getsmart121 - do you think a phenol peel would help my scars? like as in the young lady done by rullan?
And Dr Rullan is at least a little honest and tries to be honest The Lim fellow is a greedy scum who preys on social media
i think you dont have much atrophy but if you are seeing harsh border in mirror wherein the camera is not able to capture it. Then go for phenol chemobrasion since you have tried everything anyways. Again what are you Camparing with if you want a babysmooth skin then stop now. If you want undetectable scarring to you and others, you can go forward with this procedure. BUt something tells me you want flawless skin in all angles and dont want to use filler either. Filler work very well when there are not much prominent edges. If you dont have much atrophy and onlyprominent edges then phenol will work in the sense that it will smooth the edges of the scar which will be hard for you to distinguish in most lights. Can you post your cheek In normal lights?
also, when asking you are posing the question is right helpsbut when expecting outcome you want flawless results. So if your aim is if will help absolutely. Since you are aging I thinkphenol would be a good bet in terms of turningback time as well as smoothing of the boxcar edges. You would be aiming two issues with the same procedure.Remeebr phenol was used for older people who had deep wrinkles and stuff and it helped tremendously.
can you post some pictures of expectation post procedure, and we can all chip in and tell if you should even think ofthe procedure, any specific celebrity skin you have in mind
did you had consult with rullan yet? He would say if it helps or not as he does this procedure on most people and have seen different type of scarring and what this procedure did or did not do. Since you have already spent money on other procedure. I would not recommend investing more if you are not seeing results. Its time to try a different procedure. If this doesnt work you can make peace with yourself as you did the best you could do. What more can you do. We can take some learning from COVID , we do everything to protect from virus but in the end if we do get infected. I mean what more could you have done. You did everything and if it doesnt work up you have to find forgiveness in your heart. Life is. It perfect and never meant be perfect. See other people some person or the other is facing some insecurity. Some might be suffering from loss of hair, some doesnt have a good height this goes on and on... they are just going through a different test than you thats all. Fro, the pics it seems you have good hair at 45, ddi you ever thanked yourself for that. No, because most people when they look at themselves they looks at the flaws and not the things they have.
Yes Getsmart121 i do have some fat atrophy but not that much and that is mainly on the LHS. I dont like the larger scarred pores type scars ice pick type and the larger ones on the LHS. I am willing to use filler yes but it just doesnt last ive done it 4-5 times over the years and lucky it lasted one month!
Ok legend if I post my scars in normal lights and not harsh lighting or blacked out lighting they are not really noticeable? what does this mean?
Um what I would expect post procedure is for the scarred pores and larger ice pick scars as posted in my previous photos to be more like a linear scar line scar or smaller?
These pictures are LHS taken the photo inside the house next to window with head turned on relevant angle to show their severity though they are worser than they really look in sunlight turned on the same angle etc...(as opposed to the nightime picture i sent u in similar angle next to a tv screen)/angled lighting etc etc like the doctors are supposed to do in harsh lighting to show severeity etc etc. These are posted below again
I do realise I will never have scar free flawless skin but some improvement where is is more smoother as this has eluded me in 20 years!