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Sorry getsmart121 bellafill isnt in australia and when i raised it to doctors here they said permanent problems granulomas etc maybe there inexperience and dont know...I am proud to say in my 20 years I know more than all the acne scar doctors in this country except Lim who thinks hes the world renowned expert lol
JaysonC top comment agree with you 110 percent
I am going to for last time get 4-6ml of filler I know this will cost a fortune and see how long it will last hopefully longer than one month but I doubt it and do research more on phenol peel and after that give up?
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Also guys how come a facelift doesnt work for acne scars esp im 45 but no skin to pull as when stretch the scars they look a little better? wouldnt mind having side scar over acne scars
5 hours ago, tryinghard123 said:Maybe I myself need filler again and do often again though it costs alot of money for me anyway?
And the phenol peel has no effect on rolling scars or not?
Opinions?
Inone post you did ask a genuine question if a treatment is effective for acne scars how come onlydr rullan offers phenol chemobrasion and not many doctors do this procedure. I also struggled with this question. So looking at the history of treatments before lasers there were acid that were used to treat acne scars and physical abrasion like dermabrasion etc then laser took over due to its safety record although not dramatic results but for its safety record with delivering results at the same time. I think phenol chemobrasion is one of those big procedures that does very well for the texture but comes with risks if things were to go wrong and since doctors dont like risks as that could cause bad reputation.
Yes getsmart121 I agree with you as I do all the time...but as JaysonC stated if there is no possibility of improvement then why do they do it and most doctors do it even if they know there will be nothing out of it?
And why are so many doctors fraud and post in different lighting and in many cases not even same person hiding their face....at least I do not hide my face
6 minutes ago, pleasehelp321 said:Sorry getsmart121 bellafill isnt in australia and when i raised it to doctors here they said permanent problems granulomas etc maybe there inexperience and dont know...I am proud to say in my 20 years I know more than all the acne scar doctors in this country except Lim who thinks hes the world renowned expert lol
JaysonC top comment agree with you 110 percent
I am going to for last time get 4-6ml of filler I know this will cost a fortune and see how long it will last hopefully longer than one month but I doubt it and do research more on phenol peel and after that give up?
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Also guys how come a facelift doesnt work for acne scars esp im 45 but no skin to pull as when stretch the scars they look a little better? wouldnt mind having side scar over acne scars
I heard one doctor talk about it on YouTubefor acne scars about stretching that area with surgery since you dont have indents and you want that smooth flawless skin in angled dark lights lol. This might work for you. His name is amiya prasad look it up on youtube
And all my friends take note of this point and would love to hear your views on this one?
When I asked his assistant Dr Rullan just to do a spot treatment which I wouldnt mind say on my upper temple (at a cheaper cost obviously)where redness would not bother me she said no as you need to do it on whole face and hence pay the whole 6000 US Dollars....this is where you have to start and notice that this could be fradulent and greed?
Yes i looked him up and I emailed this doctor but he said a facelift does not workj for acne scars and even though after it the scars come back back once the swelling subsides...
1 minute ago, pleasehelp321 said:es i looked him up and I emailed this doctor but he said a facelift does not workj for acne scars and even though after it the scars come back back once the sw
26 minutes ago, pleasehelp321 said:Yes getsmart121 I agree with you as I do all the time...but as JaysonC stated if there is no possibility of improvement then why do they do it and most doctors do it even if they know there will be nothing out of it?
And why are so many doctors fraud and post in different lighting and in many cases not even same person hiding their face....at least I do not hide my face
Improvement is subjective to the expectation, satisfaction = expectation - reality, the closer the results are to expectation the more we satisfied are. For me having normal skin in most lights means I will be satisfied with the results, now consider this person you posted picture of and compare it to her skin you don™t have indents like her,In normal lights and for her having your skin might be the expectation goal. And if she achieves that she will be satisfied. You never posted your pictures before starting the treatments? Sometimes we get these treatments over the course of time, we constantly adopt to the new self as we see ourselves in mirror. A good thing would be to have comparison pictures. Pre and post treatment to see how far you came.
Also let™s stop hijacking shei post, this page is for heR journey. You can create a new post and share your info there.
Geesus getsmart121 you are a real wise and smart person well said comment legend once again wish i could meet you in real life
i guess talking to me you have realised i am a nervous wreck becuase of acne scars and i see a psychologist and psychiatrist over the years just really wish i could get some improvement physically on the bigger scars then maybe id calm down but it has literally destroyed me and still does that im very sad and depressed
yes im one of those desparate for the next treatment but hard to find or do when ive done all of them for very little improvement and as u know the only acne scar related thing havent done is the phenol croton oil peel
not sure abt facelift but from what i heard not really for acne scars and after a facelift scars come back again after swelling all the same...
you actually are sort of a psychologist and psychiatrist to many on this forum (myself and young lady) who are coping with this disease for me anyway so thanks for trying to help me all you can
6 minutes ago, pleasehelp321 said:Geesus getsmart121 you are a real wise and smart person well said comment legend once again wish i could meet you in real life
i guess talking to me you have realised i am a nervous wreck becuase of acne scars and i see a psychologist and psychiatrist over the years just really wish i could get some improvement physically on the bigger scars then maybe id calm down but it has literally destroyed me and still does that im very sad and depressed
yes im one of those desparate for the next treatment but hard to find or do when ive done all of them for very little improvement and as u know the only acne scar related thing havent done is the phenol croton oil peel
not sure abt facelift but from what i heard not really for acne scars and after a facelift scars come back again after swelling all the same...
you actually are sort of a psychologist and psychiatrist to many on this forum (myself and young lady) who are coping with this disease for me anyway so thanks for trying to help me all you can
Here is the thing you are 45 now, comparing the average life span of 70, you have 25 years left on this earth. At this age nobody cares about your scars as you don™t have severe scarring in most lights anyways. The question you have to ask yourself is this why do you want flawless skin at this age, to attract the opposite sex? I will say it again you don™t have severe scarring in normal light. The good thing would be to invest in upping your sense of clothes, growing a beard. I don™t mean any beard, there are different ways to style a beard with different clippers sizes. Middle eastern men know how to do this very well. You can see in this picture his skin doesn™t seem flawless but having this beard style has upped his game, and increased his look and compensating his flaw on skin side.
ive tried growing a beard getsmart121 you seen the photo number 4 i posted it looks worser ive tried trimming still looks bad....i am so sad and unfortunate with or without beard my scars look no good....yes in normal light scars look sort of ok
I think what hurt me alot esp when i was younger 20s to 30s people would ask what happened to my face some in friendly terms some in nasty person ways and that has had an effect
I wish and pray i could just improve the scars a little more esp the LHS....thanks again for your strong support you are a truly caring HUGE HEARTED human being and well done
7 minutes ago, pleasehelp321 said:ive tried growing a beard getsmart121 you seen the photo number 4 i posted it looks worser ive tried trimming still looks bad....i am so sad and unfortunate with or without beard my scars look no good....yes in normal light scars look sort of ok
I think what hurt me alot esp when i was younger 20s to 30s people would ask what happened to my face some in friendly terms some in nasty person ways and that has had an effect
I wish and pray i could just improve the scars a little more esp the LHS....thanks again for your strong support you are a truly caring HUGE HEARTED human being and well done
Those comments were mostly when you were young and didnt start those treatments correct? The thing is those people never suffered from acne and they dont end up with these scars so far themit is hard to comprehend as to what happened.acne scar is such a variable disease some could have extreme scarring to some could have very shallow scarring.
I personally thought the beard made you look less older.
I wish getsmart121 you are too kind and nice my dear friend...lets talk again soon but as i said maybe ill get a few ml more of filler then all else fails i will do more research on phenol peel and see what plans are ahead pending COVID 19
and no some have asked as previously as 3-4 years ago unfortuntely what happened
9 hours ago, shei514 said:I dont know if I want to show my skin in the worst possible lighting because it opens up the conversation to youre a poor healer youve had no improvement. When the reality is people in real life think Im crazy for saying I have severe acne scarring. I do not hold a torch to my face and tell people I know to come gawk at me and see every flaw to prove a point.Overhead lighting is useful but its not realistic. Im not going to post photos for a bit, I dont think I can handle any negative comments after basically going broke to fund this procedure. I can say for a fact my scars look so much better and when I get ready in the morning I see a lot less scarring in the mirror. Sometimes this isnt the easiest thing to capture on camera. In person the scars are looking great. My scars will never look flat in overhead lighting. But this doesnt mean Im not being truthful about my journey. Why are we acne scar sufferers trying so hard to make our skin look perfect for a lighting situation no one will ever see us in? Its really crazy
https://www.instagram.com/p/CS0IhdvhJyV/
here is an interesting post from dr lim. I know not everyone here likes him and thats an opinion youre allowed to have. Just food for thought.
Honestly, shake the haters off. Who cares what any of us think? You spent $6000 for a treatment that most of us (including me) are dying to have! You spent it, made the time commitment for it, made thehealing time for it, went through so much for it and thats something to be so proud of.And it is 100%in your right to share any or no photos. Dont sweat the small stuff. And all of these comments, this whole website forum, thats the small stuff.
I also want to reinforce the obvious truth, that your scarring looks SIGNIFICANTLY much better than your before photos. Improvement that many on here would take in a heartbeat.
3 hours ago, pleasehelp321 said:Sorry getsmart121 bellafill isnt in australia and when i raised it to doctors here they said permanent problems granulomas etc maybe there inexperience and dont know...I am proud to say in my 20 years I know more than all the acne scar doctors in this country except Lim who thinks hes the world renowned expert lol
JaysonC top comment agree with you 110 percent
I am going to for last time get 4-6ml of filler I know this will cost a fortune and see how long it will last hopefully longer than one month but I doubt it and do research more on phenol peel and after that give up?
\
Also guys how come a facelift doesnt work for acne scars esp im 45 but no skin to pull as when stretch the scars they look a little better? wouldnt mind having side scar over acne scars
No doctor will send you away mate. what is worse almost no doctor will be straightforward and honest with you about expected results. They all sell false hopes of 80-90% imrovement as in my case 100% from non abl and botox!!! That is why you have to try all treatment s available once or twice, see if it works and if not call it quits. These treatments are painful and expensive as hell. But I'll stop spamming Shei514' thread here. It's her thread not after all.
1 hour ago, Catharsis2018 said:Honestly, shake the haters off. Who cares what any of us think? You spent $6000 for a treatment that most of us (including me) are dying to have! You spent it, made the time commitment for it, made thehealing time for it, went through so much for it and thats something to be so proud of.And it is 100%in your right to share any or no photos. Dont sweat the small stuff. And all of these comments, this whole website forum, thats the small stuff.
I also want to reinforce the obvious truth, that your scarring looks SIGNIFICANTLY much better than your before photos. Improvement that many on here would take in a heartbeat.
Thats exactly what I was thinking she had a huge boost in smoothness of the skin texture the bigger ones got smoother, the small ones almost undetectable, for @pleasehelp123I think perfection is the goal which is not the goal while we all want close to perfect skin I commend shie. She did an excellent job when it comes to improvement of scars. Like I said her scar edge is very hard to determine and that is exactly the goal, plus she is still healing so more improvement to come. @shei514please filter out the bad noises, there is a saying we cant convince everybody. So the most important person to be convinced is you yourself and thats what all matters. Thats is why I never ask what doctors say they have the improvement. I always think what the patient assessment of their scars as that person is the ultimate beneficiary of this procedure.
7 hours ago, pleasehelp321 said:And all my friends take note of this point and would love to hear your views on this one?
When I asked his assistant Dr Rullan just to do a spot treatment which I wouldnt mind say on my upper temple (at a cheaper cost obviously)where redness would not bother me she said no as you need to do it on whole face and hence pay the whole 6000 US Dollars....this is where you have to start and notice that this could be fradulent and greed?
Yes i looked him up and I emailed this doctor but he said a facelift does not workj for acne scars and even though after it the scars come back back once the swelling subsides...
The reason they do the whole face or nothing at all is because your face willlook blotchy and smooth in certain areas and then rough in other areas and heal super weird.Like with the phenol peel, they do everything even your eyelid skin. They miss nothing. This way your skin doesnt look super uneven. At least this is what Im lead to believe. They even go below the jaw a little bit. No part of the face is missed.
here is an interesting video on Bellafill@getsmart121@pleasehelp321
This guy has had basically no scar revision work before Bellafill. There is a noticeable improvement but if I were him I would fix all that texture and boxcars as much as possible before even touching filler. Most people who claim to have acne scars on YouTube dont really its all bullshit but this guy actually does.
@pleasehelp321
1. why f***k are you writing in the shei`s journey??. Moderator please delete the all post , I dont understand why not you open a new thread. You are dirtying the thread.
2. Stop the way you look to the life. If you need help visit a one specialist. You are not a teen, if you need 6 phenol chemobrasion do them, you need strechting the skin, i would use ellanse or sculptra the times you need.
Shei is a brave and strong girl, she is fighting to achieve the objective that She want to achieve. She is improving a lot from the begining and she has my respect. keep it up Shei and thanks for your journey, one the best here.
Regards.
I joined Shei514 thread as she is the limited few who has done phenol peel as I would possibly consider doing it in the future based on her results and views of the treatment
I apologised to her if she got affected by some of my comments kind regards
You are welcome to delete any of my threads...My thing was at her age I got stung big time by doctors who promised everything and as stated virtually delivered nothing...
I wanted to ask everyone on here esp if from australia why bellafill doesnt exist in australia but is so common in usa?
Also because she has done so much treatments before similar to me I wanted her views from her of my scarring and what she thinks...
2 hours ago, pleasehelp321 said:I joined Shei514 thread as she is the limited few who has done phenol peel as I would possibly consider doing it in the future based on her results and views of the treatment
I apologised to her if she got affected by some of my comments kind regards
You are welcome to delete any of my threads...My thing was at her age I got stung big time by doctors who promised everything and as stated virtually delivered nothing...
I wanted to ask everyone on here esp if from australia why bellafill doesnt exist in australia but is so common in usa?
Also because she has done so much treatments before similar to me I wanted her views from her of my scarring and what she thinks...
You say you want to do phenol based off my experience but apparently Ive had no improvement to you so Im kind of confused?
First off I think it any dermatologist is telling you they can deliver big results and talking up a big game I would run away personally. Ive been told I could have 50% improvement in one session but this didnt happen and I was left devastated. I think we need to hold dermatologists accountable for making bold claims like that but then no dermatologist wants to say well see what happens, see how you heal.
I am not convinced the phenol peel would be the best course of action for rolling scars. Im more on the side of a lot of aggressive subcision and permanent filler (temporary if thats all u can do). As for why Australia doesnt have Bellafill I think this is because the USA is always ahead of the rest of the world and it takes other countries a while to catch up. Thats why Im thankful to be able to travel here. In the USA they will also make sure you dont feel a lot of pain whereas in Australia its just numbing gel before a procedurelol. Anyway thats a bit of topic just something Ive noticed.
Many many many thanks shei514 abd im very appreciated for your view and I sincerely and dearly hope you have the improvement and happiness as you are a good person and have suffered from this terrible crap like me...I too think for me phenol peel will not make a difference much for my type of scarring...you are correct and unfortunately as okay as filler is it just doesnt last but at least it plumps up the skin a little to make scars appear better so maybe ill just have to rely upon that and get more mls despite not lasting longer than a month for me
Stay safe shei514
abd = and
oh shei514 have u had bellafill before? ive heard so much contradictory views these days that it really isnt something amazing as they orignally made out to be and actually is same thing as say restylane juverderm etc?
40 minutes ago, pleasehelp321 said:Many many many thanks shei514 abd im very appreciated for your view and I sincerely and dearly hope you have the improvement and happiness as you are a good person and have suffered from this terrible crap like me...I too think for me phenol peel will not make a difference much for my type of scarring...you are correct and unfortunately as okay as filler is it just doesnt last but at least it plumps up the skin a little to make scars appear better so maybe ill just have to rely upon that and get more mls despite not lasting longer than a month for me
Stay safe shei514
abd = and
oh shei514 have u had bellafill before? ive heard so much contradictory views these days that it really isnt something amazing as they orignally made out to be and actually is same thing as say restylane juverderm etc?
Im not 100% sure but Im interested to see what other members think of the phenol peel for rolling type scars because the procedure includes one round of subcision as well. But the general consensus here is that the peel should be used more of a last step. Dr Rullan also performs subcision really well so keep that in mind.
I have not had it yet but from what Im reading its very promising.
3 hours ago, shei514 said:Im not 100% sure but Im interested to see what other members think of the phenol peel for rolling type scars because the procedure includes one round of subcision as well. But the general consensus here is that the peel should be used more of a last step. Dr Rullan also performs subcision really well so keep that in mind.
I have not had it yet but from what Im reading its very promising.
From the pictures amy sent it seems to helps those rolling scars but I guess that would just take time. The first thing you notice is texture improvementsine he abrades the top surface skin. As for the growth of collagen for rolling its going to take some time. Lets evaluate a at 3 month mark. Also another issue is we keep on adjusting to new self and hence cant see the improvement.the best thing would be not look at mirror at all then look at it 3 month mark.to appreciate the difference.
I wished to post this here as my surgeon pointed this out for me so I thought some of you might want to express your opinions but I am looking forward to what they will say later in the year once my subcision settles in which has really provided no results as well as many other treatments I have done...aka the mid face zygoma - I mean when I pull upwards the scars do look better will anxiously wait to see what they say...
Would like some thoughts?
In my opinion, Shei514 has has great improvement over the past few years. Looking at the pictures she posted just before the phenol peel, I would not even noticed any issues with her cheeks if I had seen her in real life.
Congratulations on how far you've come Shei514. I'm still only 6 months into my acne scar journey and every time I lose hope (which is quite often tbh), I log on to this thread and re-read from the start.
Again, this message is directed at you Shei514, in my personal opinion you don't need to do any more scar treatments for the rest of your life. The texture on your face now resembles the normal texture that most people have in their mid to late 20s and the only reason I know your cheeks once had scars is because Ive been following this thread.