So glad to see that sunscreen on your list of products hun. Iv just ordered that one myself after reading reviews and was hoping it wasn't one of those ones that leave your face feeling like its covered in thick oil like most others seems to.

13 hours ago, Noa27 said:

Why can't you do sub with filler? 

My plan is to do sub with filler, after that prob use retin a aswell as tca peels and when i see that the filler begins to wear off, i will start microneedling. Once the filler is totally gone i may repeat the whole thing. 

If you have the filler as a spacer, there is no need to subcise the scar because it is still untethered because of the filler. 

you can do filler with subcision if youre not planning on having any more subcisions for a good amount of time.. im just not done with my subcision and if i decide to do filler it will be at the end of all my procedures (if its even necessary by that point) - for example i couldn't do my last subcision in february with filler knowing im going in for another subcision this month of may. I enjoy having subcision done, i think its a great procedure and i want as many as the doc will give me. Its more cost effective than fillers also
(here in australia anyway)

yesss @clareabella i couldnt recommend my sunscreen more highly! Just make sure its the 'fluid' type that you get as this is the lightweight one. Cannot fault it at all!

Yeah i thinks its the same one that you have pictured that i ordered. Thanks hun was so fed up of using all these ones that claim to leave behind no residue only to see a shiny mess looking back at me in the mirror lol.

@Noa27@91babyBecause her scars are so surface oriented, it would not make since to fill, it would be above the skin surface aka a bump. This is why I suggested to her peels, as its a textural issue. With filler, you need space to fill, if it's too shallow there is no point, and subcision and peels are fine.

I have taken the first step to requesting work-from-home so wish me luck (even though there's a $2000 set up fee.. lucky i have savings!) Hopefully im accepted and can really focus on doing some deep peeling!

for anyone reading this post i thought id mention i have been on doxycyxline for years now which is what calmed my cystic acne. I have breaks from it because its not good to be on an antibiotic long-term and i definitely still get a spot now and then but nothing i obsess over.

also this might seem a little strange but ages ago i purchased something called 'instant face lift' its basically tape and elastic and you can use it to pull the skin back somewhat, helping to flatten scarring. It works to a degree but its not a daily-type thing. I use it from time to time on certain occasions as it makes me feel my skin texture is more 'even' - keep in mind though that the tapes are not easily hidden.. this works best with long or thick hair!

i dont think stretching the skin would be very good for you on a day to day basis but as a once off here and there im sure it would be ok!

On 4/23/2017 at 9:13 AM, 91baby said:

i would recommend it its helping.. little by little.. but as a procedure on its own it is limited in results. I have made a promise to myself to stay as active as possible on this thread even if it takes years! Thank you that is very kind!

Just so everyone has an idea of the issues i want to address; heres some pics.

Even though the subcision has helped somewhat, the shadowing is still there and probably will be until i can achieve a flat skin surface.

i try to take pictures in the most harsh lighting possible !

I want say you are very beautiful even with scars. I want make subscision how look you this procedure is it helping you??

Haven't read every page itt, but have you considered HA filler? Could give you 90-100% improvement for a while.

@Albaneso @QuanHenry thank you thats very kind. I believe it is helping somewhat, but i need to do more im getting around to it.. slower than id like but still

Yes ive thought about filler but not until im finished with subcision. I wont be able to continue with subcision if i get filler. Have you had a personal experience with fillers? Man, 100% improvement.. a girl can only dream! 
 

35 minutes ago, 91baby said:

@Albaneso @QuanHenry thank you thats very kind. I believe it is helping somewhat, but i need to do more im getting around to it.. slower than id like but still

Yes ive thought about filler but not until im finished with subcision. I wont be able to continue with subcision if i get filler. Have you had a personal experience with fillers? Man, 100% improvement.. a girl can only dream! 
 

Quan opened a topic about his filler experience. The results are pretty amazing  

Well ill be damned @QuanHenry just had a look at your topic.. i bet you're bloody pleased!! Haha good for you mate my face looks similar after an aggressive subcision.. please be sure to let me know if the results are lasting.. if thats the case i might cut my subcision sessions short and do what you've done + all over tca peels

@91baby I don't want to be a negative nancy here, but I want to keep everyone's expectations in check. Your scars are surface oriented, I see no pits like Quans. Thus do something like Volbella if you fill, you do not want Voluma attracting a bunch of water and making bumps, see Guardians recent thread.

I see surface / textural issues, not pits. Secondly after filler you swell, so lets wait a month before deeming 100% improvement. Scar treatment is progressive, you will need to top up filler, and do tca peels.

 I know 91baby is actively trying. She is our next success story. 

The real question for me is how much improvement is swelling, and how long the filler hides the scars thereafter. I will be sure to update you guys.

My guess (but i may be wrong) is stop with the subcision since the scars or not tethered anymore. I don't see why you should perform subcision on untethered scars. Begin with microneedling and peels for 2 years or so. That should do the trick imo.

2 hours ago, QuanHenry said:

The real question for me is how much improvement is swelling, and how long the filler hides the scars thereafter. I will be sure to update you guys.

quan do you are using derminator ? Is it helping you??

10 hours ago, beautifulambition said:

@91baby I don't want to be a negative nancy here, but I want to keep everyone's expectations in check. Your scars are surface oriented, I see no pits like Quans. Thus do something like Volbella if you fill, you do not want Voluma attracting a bunch of water and making bumps, see Guardians recent thread. Secondly be sure your doctor is doing Nokor subcision, not a normal needle. Ask specifically. Nokor has a tiny scalpel on the end. I think the best improvement you will get prior to filler is TCA peels. I see surface / textural issues, not pits. Secondly after filler you swell, so lets wait a month before deeming 100% improvement. Scar treatment is progressive, you will need to top up filler, and do tca peels. Microneedling is also maintenance. I don't want to see anyone coming here heartbroken because they got one session of filler, you know... I am very excited for Quan and I guided him to this treatment, I give him major kudos for moving on with his journey and finding a way to deal with his scars, many are negative and do nothing. I know 91baby is actively trying. She is our next success story. 

oh really? I have always thought my scarring to be somewhat like the pictures in the thread.. different light shows different things so im never 100% certain what my face ACTUALLY looks like arghh!! Well regardless, ill be doing tca! Is 12.5% safe? Should i start at a lower %? Are there any horror stories about this percentage scarring people further? (I dont have to worry about pigmentation issues as im as white as they come lol) i find i get extremely shy at my procedures i find it sooo hard to ask these questions or find out information! But i will try! Are you thinking she hasnt been using the nokor needle? I dont even really want to do microneedling i honestly dont think its worth it? But thats my opinion. I see microneedling as more of a 'cherry on top' type of thing.

Thankyou im trying very hard to stay positive. Getting my work-from-home position will motivate me so much more!@Noa27 im pretty sure there is still SOME tethering and she still hasnt even touched near my mouth/chin area so ill keep going until i feel i want to 'maybe' use a surface filler.. also my doc thinks with each procedure its inducing collagen and i agree, so even if its not 'untethering' anymore, its still helping new collagen produce and i feel its a quicker process of collagen inducing than microneedling. But thats just my opinion.. i dont actually know anything hahah

@91babyMaybe its all the subcision you have done. I think things are surface issues, unlike quans pits,. I could be wrong. I am only going off of what you posted. Texture unevenness of the cheeks. If you have pits, find a way to make shadows with a flashlight and show me.

12.5% will not hardly do anything to you, if you wish to start here to test that is great, but our goal is to move towards 30% if the body can handle the small spot tests. You'll progress as you gauge your healing ability form the spot test.

12.5% is not going to scar anyone further. Look at that full acid peel thread, we have people who have actually peeled and their experience. I tell you all the safety tips I know. If your still concerned, just goto a med spa and get it done, or another derm. You can at least do one with them, and do the rest at home.

For pigmentation issues, you will start vitamin c serum weeks before, and use hydroquinone aka skin bleach cream, you will discontinue while you heal up and then continue a few weeks after your peel again.

I don't think she is using a sub, unless you know, you have seen the needle no? Or asked what she uses, call the receptionist and ask if they did subcision, say you want to tell your friend who needs the procedure.

Microneedling is ok, if you do it at home, I would not goto a doctor and do it. It can help in concert with peels, ... not alone.

7 hours ago, beautifulambition said:

@91babyMaybe its all the subcision you have done. I think things are surface issues, unlike quans pits,. I could be wrong. I am only going off of what you posted. Texture unevenness of the cheeks. If you have pits, find a way to make shadows with a flashlight and show me.

12.5% will not hardly do anything to you, if you wish to start here to test that is great, but our goal is to move towards 30% if the body can handle the small spot tests. You'll progress as you gauge your healing ability form the spot test.

12.5% is not going to scar anyone further. Look at that full acid peel thread, we have people who have actually peeled and their experience. I tell you all the safety tips I know. If your still concerned, just goto a med spa and get it done, or another derm. You can at least do one with them, and do the rest at home.

For pigmentation issues, you will start vitamin c serum weeks before, and use hydroquinone aka skin bleach cream, you will discontinue while you heal up and then continue a few weeks after your peel again.

I don't think she is using a Nokor, unless you know, you have seen the needle no? Or asked what she uses, call the receptionist and ask if they did Nokor needle subcision, say you want to tell your friend who needs the procedure. Nokor you don't heal up as quick.

Microneedling is ok, if you do it at home, I would not goto a doctor and do it. It can help in concert with peels, ... not alone.

ok ill try and take some tonight! The left side definitely has wider 'dents' and the right side is more valley-type scarring.

oh i thought 12.5% was the one i should be using. Ill definitely start with that % and move on from there.

what is the vit c/skin bleach for?

Tes! That's a good idea! Although the receptionists/nurses there are hopeless, they didn't even know what subcision was when i first called. But yes thats a good idea! How is nokor pronounced haha ive never known!

im so peel-focused now.. i just wanna get started!!!

See if you can get it done by a professional. Peels are too risky to do it by yourself in my opinion.

@Bingai know what you're saying but at least if i do it myself i can be cautious and know im in control. The amount of times ive heard about peels going wrong due to the 'professional' using the wrong % or not listening to a patient when they tell them its burning abnormally or leave things on too long etc etc! Somehow i feel more at ease with it being in my own hands? I dunno!

@91babyYou should be safe peel wise if you follow my guide, it's well researched, saftey is built in, I have everyone test a SMALL spot somewhere to see how they heal and handle that level of acid before they go gung ho and do everything with their peel. The major mistakes I have seen, I have put in that all things acid peels post. It's mainly people who slap on high percentages of acid, dripping excess acid from anything (the littleamountworks) and do all sorts of funky combo things which are not safe. If anyone feels they are not able to handle peeling againthey may goto a med spa. Confidence is built from safety, knowledge, and testing.

@beautifulambition yes i will test patch! Where is a good place to test? I will purchase the tca next week on payday

now i took some pics earlier this morning... would these not be classed as 'pits'?

@91baby

Quans treatment might work for you Voluma, boost up the filler to plump out the cheeks. You could do the the peels prior or after to filler, and help with some texture. If they are doing surface filler with subcision. then yes I would get Volbella as you don't want bumps. But for a overall plumpness Voluma could be worth a try in those cheeks. With subcision you are close to the surface making pockets so this is why we do a surface filler, You could go get Voluma now with no subcision if you wanted and then wait a month and do your peel. Voluma is a deeper injection. I would wait for Quan and see how his swelling goes down so you can gauge if it works for you.

I think these are more surface scars, the deepest one I see is horizontal to the lips. Almost like a mix of Boxcars and Rolling. You could do by the ear for the patch test, or behind it. OR in the scalp area just above the forhead.

@QuanHenryYou can help each other out by information sharing of the injections once your swelling settles.

@beautifulambition thankyou! I will wait for the results of thr Voluma before taking any steps for that

i do have a concern i wanted to discuss! I've been reading A LOT that retin a has actually caused further scarring for people? It thins the skin and makes the skin more prone to scarring? Is this correct?

that kind of scares me! I have read good things also. I just wanna make sure the benefits outweigh the negatives.

behind the ear is a good idea, ill do that i reckon

Save some money and go to Dr. DavinLim in Brisbane. Just subcision won't work for your scars I think.

@91babyYour using a paulas choice retinol, this is not even as strong as prescription. If your freaking out then do it every couple days. I will tell you this, with scars it does not matter if the skin is thinner, that is what acid peels do they get rid of top layers to bring out fresh skin. What you should be aware of is retinol does not just thing, it speeds up skin healing and growth, this is why you peel if you use it alot. And the skin does not thin, it impacts together tightly as it grows. The reason these people freak out is because they are doing multiple things, do not do well with it - you can tell, or they are doing to much. So if your doing retinol, we discussed right, stopping before and after peels, because in a way this acts as a low level peel. You want to know what really thinned my skin, laser, not retinol. Remember you can start and stop retinol whenever even 2 times a week is ok. It refreshes the skin / skintone. If your doing acid peels this will be a stronger forum of this. Your miconeedle months you can do retinol or when you stop whatever. To get rid of those surface scars you have, your going to have to thin out the skin or you would not have the scars on the surface.