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On 21/03/2017 at 6:52 PM, Albaneso said:I hope this treatment with derminator will help you :).pls message me or write here for any improvement to you from derminator because I want to buy a derminator.
Thats very kind of you thank you. And yes if i see an improvement i will be sure to let you know.
Hi Albaneso,
Don't worry about your English...I understand you better than some fluent speakers! I can't speak for scars on the shoulder but I can't see why the Derminator wouldn't help. As for the face, in all honesty, my scars were not very deep to begin with. They were mainly box scars but located all in the same area so it made the sides of my chin look very cratery. I didn't just use the Derminator. I had TCA peels and microdermabrasion done too, but the Derminator definitely helped. I think with most scarring the best approach is a combination of treatments. Overall I have an 80% improvement. Keep in mind, that needling can frustrate the impatient. It takes 6-12 months to see results, and significant improvement isn't seen until a year to 18 months. Hope that helps.
20 hours ago, Yola4 said:Hi Albaneso,
Don't worry about your English...I understand you better than some fluent speakers! I can't speak for scars on the shoulder but I can't see why the Derminator wouldn't help. As for the face, in all honesty, my scars were not very deep to begin with. They were mainly box scars but located all in the same area so it made the sides of my chin look very cratery. I didn't just use the Derminator. I had TCA peels and microdermabrasion done too, but the Derminator definitely helped. I think with most scarring the best approach is a combination of treatments. Overall I have an 80% improvement. Keep in mind, that needling can frustrate the impatient. It takes 6-12 months to see results, and significant improvement isn't seen until a year to 18 months. Hope that helps.
Thanks for reply and for information about derminator. I want ask you how much in month should used derminator and is painful??
Thought id post some pics. Really nothing new to report as i still need to go in for my 4th subcision and try the dermapen. I've never heard of the derminator. Would you suggest at-home use rather than the dermapen by my doc? Its SO hard to stay consistent with procedures when i work.. and if i dont work i cant afford the procedures.. ugh! Vicious cycle 
Yes I would get the derminator, it's the cost of one procedure, you can do it on a Friday night and goto work Monday. Great to upkeep your skin for years to come, you can do it at home any time, and you heal so quickly.
I really think a few Cheek TCA peels would help you, even if you did it on a long holiday or something. Do me a favor, goto my faq (sig below), scroll to TCA near bottom, click on all things acid peels, goto page 2 see the case study, look at the pictures of the treatment ;-P
Might I suggest something 
, what do you think about Dewy (glowing) foundation, it would help blur the cheek scars. You have great high cheek bones and curve of the chin. I have had this too over drying foundation or concealer that settles in the cheek scar areas. Just a thought maybe do a sample at Sephora. I really am not into this Matte everything trend in makeup, I feel it accentuates flaws and crispy skin.
On 29/03/2017 at 11:10 PM, Albaneso said:Hi baby, first of all sorry gor my english I want to know why your doctor insist in subcision procedure because you say this procedure does not help you much?
Hi there, it has helped, i am happy with the improvements that i feel have occurred but subcision will only help so much. I need to combine with other procedures (which is what my doc is urging me to do) im just trying to figure out what i want to do/what i have the money to do/what time i have to do the procedures etc. Subcision has helped with overall depth of the scars and has helped me to build collagen. I havent been able to experiment much with suctioning but i will be after my next subcision (will make sure it's aggressive).
@beautifulambition- i did check out that thread but its very overwhelming reading threads because everyone jumps all over the place with what they're saying and theres so much different information. This is why i like talking with you! Because you are one person and you really are helping me with staying on track/going in one direction. When i read threads I bounce from one procedure to the next, to one person's advice to another, etc and its so hard for me to focus on the path i want to go down (take this thread for example, ive gone from subcision to wanting to do fillers to dermapen to peels.. ahhh!) I just need a game plan that i can stick to!
the hardest part about all this is that my doc sees something so different to what i see - for her to tell me its just mostly redness now and slight shallow scarring.. like what is she looking at?! My pics so clearly show indents/shadowing!! I just worry she will take me down the wrong path because she doesnt see the severity like i do? Literally just want to cut my face off sometimes!!
also yes i have tried dewy foundation, it reflects light off my face though and instead of coming across dewy, it looks oily.. and the scars (imo) look worse than with just powder.. but i do understand what you mean. Its a lose lose really!
so why would you suggest derminator over the other tools available for needling? And is it really that much downtime? Or can makeup be applied the day after?
xx
Don't get confused, acne scars take multiple treatments, also you need minimal down time. Your doctor thinks your good enough right now, or she does not know how to truly fix the scars. Shes at the end of her knowledge. Goto someone who can better fit your needs.
I would suggest for you TCA peels, but I understand you cannot take off 4 days from work Thursday evening / do 1 sick day / & a weekend. What about micro dermabrasion at your doctors office, it will take many of them. , has low down time, not as good as a peel, but it's something.
Microneedle will help some but it also needs that other component ^. I would suggest it for you as there is minimal down time. You can treat Friday Night, and be back to work Monday. There is very little down time, but just the little needle marks. you can wear makeup 8 hrs after you needle, some people say 24-hrs and you heal quickly.
Have your derm prescribe retin a cream or tretinorin that will cause cell turn over and can be used nightly.
Derminator is the quality of your doctors microneedle pen. For the cost of just one treatment, it can be done at any time at home, once a month, unlike manual needles you can do various lengths on parts of your face for instance thin areas are less than thick areas which need deeper needling.
8 hours ago, beautifulambition said:Don't get confused, acne scars take multiple treatments, also you need minimal down time. Your doctor thinks your good enough right now, or she does not know how to truly fix the scars. Shes at the end of her knowledge. Goto someone who can better fit your needs.
I would suggest for you TCA peels, but I understand you cannot take off 4 days from work Thursday evening / do 1 sick day / & a weekend. What about micro dermabrasion at your doctors office, it will take many of them. , has low down time, not as good as a peel, but it's something.
Microneedle will help some but it also needs that other component ^. I would suggest it for you as there is minimal down time. You can treat Friday Night, and be back to work Monday. There is very little down time, but just the little needle marks. you can wear makeup 8 hrs after you needle, some people say 24-hrs and you heal quickly.
Have your derm prescribe retin a cream or tretinorin that will cause cell turn over and can be used nightly.
Derminator is the quality of your doctors microneedle pen. For the cost of just one treatment, it can be done at any time at home, once a month, unlike manual needles you can do various lengths on parts of your face for instance thin areas are less than thick areas which need deeper needling.
how much should passed on one area how sec?? And when go away redness after microneedling with derminator??
14 hours ago, beautifulambition said:Don't get confused, acne scars take multiple treatments, also you need minimal down time. Your doctor thinks your good enough right now, or she does not know how to truly fix the scars. Shes at the end of her knowledge. Goto someone who can better fit your needs.
I would suggest for you TCA peels, but I understand you cannot take off 4 days from work Thursday evening / do 1 sick day / & a weekend. What about micro dermabrasion at your doctors office, it will take many of them. , has low down time, not as good as a peel, but it's something.
Microneedle will help some but it also needs that other component ^. I would suggest it for you as there is minimal down time. You can treat Friday Night, and be back to work Monday. There is very little down time, but just the little needle marks. you can wear makeup 8 hrs after you needle, some people say 24-hrs and you heal quickly.
Have your derm prescribe retin a cream or tretinorin that will cause cell turn over and can be used nightly.
Derminator is the quality of your doctors microneedle pen. For the cost of just one treatment, it can be done at any time at home, once a month, unlike manual needles you can do various lengths on parts of your face for instance thin areas are less than thick areas which need deeper needling.
so you dont think its possible to use makeup to hide the effects of a tca peel? If any procedure allows you to be able to use makeup afterwards then im all for it, as long as i can cover what ive done with makeup because then there's no issue! Also, what percentage of tca would you suggest to use at home? I was doing 30% glycolic acid peels from home once a week or once every 2 weeks but it felt more like an exfoliation rather than a peel and just felt 'clean' afterwards. Didnt see a difference (although i didnt stick with it long) i got the peel from MUA. I never understood what retin a is.. and i got scared to enquire after reading people say it dried out their skin and now any scar treatments don't work well because they can cause further scarring etc with the skin being dry/fragile.
would you happen to know anyone with scars like mine who has benefited from the tca peels? Could you possibly link me to before/after pics if so please? Same with the derminator? Im thinking i really wanna peel!!
thankyou again!
@91babyI really don't know ho you would heal, we all heal differently. Some longer. I know you said you heal quickly from subcision. You could do smaller peels one cheek and then the other or something. Allowing smaller treatment. You can makeup for the first few day but then you start to get tight skin that peels and makeup is hard as it's dry. Some people figure out how to do it with vaseline or mineral powder. But it will look like a dry sunburn. 30% Glycolic is low, you can go up to very high with Glycolic. TCA is stronger than Glycolic and at high enough percentages will peel layers of dermis.
If you don't have the down time you could do microdermabrasion but they dont do much and it would take a bunch.
I don't know how fragile your skin is but I use retin at night for constant skin refreshing, it speeds the process up. Many doctors make you do retin A before acid peels as they work better. Retin A is vitamin A. IT can give some improvement by itself and you can go on a lower percentage like .5% to be safe. It can dry out the skin, but this is why you moisturize, it's actually turning over the cells so dead skin does not sit on the face.
Here is the TCA Post, it tells you how to peel. On page 2 there is a case study with pictures they have scars that microneedling and peels helped, this is what I suggest microneedling and peels. It is the closest thing we have to laser at home that does not have the side efects. IT's also good beauty upkeep. You would buy the 35% TCA from MUA and dilute it to half and try on a small area to see how long you heal and how it goes. Before moving on with the peel or diluting less.
Goto Google and Image search put acne scar tca peel and see the results 😉
@beautifulambition - i think one cheek at a time is a very good idea i think i could get away with going to work more if it was just one side rather than both. And this will cause less trauma too so i can really focus on healing properly 
what percentage of tca would you suggest as a starting point?
In regards to moisturising, my doc told me to stop moisturising straight away when i went in for my initial consult. I havent moisturised since. I believe this was because of some slight active acne. Would you suggest i start again? I want to be able to moisturise as its important for the aging process! I was just using coconot oil mostly, could i go back to using this? Or would you suggest something else?
and would you suggest at-home tca peel or going to a drs office? I know this sounds odd but i think i trust myself more than a dr as i would rather build up slowly than have a really intense peel.
thanks for the link i will have a look on my way home from work
@91babyI advise to start at 12-15% TCA and work your way up to 35% as you can handle it. The higher you go the more the down time and the results also you can get. So buy from MUA 35% and dilute it down by a little more than half with water. Test a small amount somewhere.
I think you should moisturize, use 100% HA serum if you cannot use a cream. You put it on right after washing your face.
At home TCA peels are fine if you follow the directions in the All Things Peels post. The most important step is testing on a small spot and seeing how it works for you, and not going to high, but gradually going up in concentration. Also to stay out of the sun following a peel, and wear sunscreen. MUA also has excellent customer service for their peels.
Has everything you need to know about peels ;-P
@beautifulambition - i just checked out the pics from that link. I gotta say, theres definitely massive improvement in all the subjects ! And just from one subcision, needling and peels! I gotta get peeling asap!! Its just hit autumn so the weather is more suitable for peels (less likely to be in the sun)
Do you know where can i purchase 100% HA? Will order that and 35% tca asap :)!
On 23/03/2017 at 11:13 AM, Yola4 said:@91baby I agree w/beautifulambition. He offered you the best solutions to your texture issues. TCA peels would definitely be beneficial. And, buy the Derminator. It's cheap and has been my favorite at home beauty gadget to date- and I'm a gadget junkie. It will help with textural issues, but as with most treatments it takes time to see optimal results.
I know it's hard for you to see it...but you're so much more than your scars. Just from reading this thread I can tell that you're a very kind, appreciative and sympathetic person. Don't let a few flaws ruin your self-perception. I made that mistake and lost out on the majority of my 20's...this should be the best time of your life. Keep going after your skin goals, and doing treatments but don't let it be your sole purpose. I use to tell myself...."Once my skin is clear I'll go back to school," or "When my face looks better I'll start dating again." Again...wasted time.
All I'm saying is don't be too hard on yourself. I know it's hard in today's beauty driven society and we are our own worst enemies, but learning to love ourselves is sometimes harder than loving others. Plus, we are far less judgemental of other peoples flaws than we are of our own. I hope you had good results with your last subcision combined with suctioning. Did the suctioning help? I hope you continue to keep this thread updated.Btw, how'd your friends wedding go?!?!
how lovely of you !
thank you and yes i am taking the advice of tca peels and some sort of needling to combine with my subcisions from now on (still deciding on derminator or just dermapen performed by my doc as she is not charging extra for this)
i am literally the same.. i hold back so much and i always tell myself ill do this or that when i feel more confident in myself and when my scars are to a point they dont bother me anymore.. im trying to get out of that mindset but its hard. The only thing that really actually gives me any sense of joy is thinking about a great outcome from my treatments! Or daydreaming about miracle cures HA!
The wedding was good thanks! Id had my subcision the day before so i was a little swollen which made me look/feel better haha! Xx
@91babyI buy most of my products from Makeup Artist First Choice. I LOVE the Mandelic Acid Cleanser and Toner and Serum. My skin stays mainly clear during my monthly cycle (I get little pimples on my jawline at that time, but the Mandic Acid has really improved that. Keep in mind when using a new product you might break out at first, but then it should clear up quickly ). The cleanser really lathers up nicely! This stuff keeps your skin so fresh and clean! It is also great to use this for at least a week before a TCA peel. I had bought Retin-A, but I don't really like it. As for the HA, buy only pure HA. A drop of that goes a long way. You can add another good moisturizer over top as well. The HA will pull it right in and help plump up your skin.
@kat22 thanks hun, my doc turned me on to Neutrogena Rapid Clear 2 in 1 cleanser mask as i can use it as a daily wash or leave it on a little longer as a mask (i do that once a week in the shower). And it works pretty good and leaves me feeling clean. Around $11 im confused as to where to purchase 100% HA from? And you say it can be used in conjunction with another moisturiser, what do you suggest? I used to use moogoo moisturiser (an msm cream) and it felt and smelt amazing and all natural products! But then for some reason switched to just plain old coconut oil.. but then my doc told me to stop using anything so any suggestions would be good ! xx
1 hour ago, 91baby said:@kat22 thanks hun, my doc turned me on to Neutrogena Rapid Clear 2 in 1 cleanser mask as i can use it as a daily wash or leave it on a little longer as a mask (i do that once a week in the shower). And it works pretty good and leaves me feeling clean. Around $11
you won't be able to find 100% HA - the molecule is too big to penetrate the skin, so it's always being sold as a % in water, most of the time mixed with other things. I've been looking, too
Makeup Artists Choice who sells the TCA, Also sells HA serum.
HA is a substitute for moisturizer, you apply after you shower so the water is locked in. IF you use both you HA then moisturize. Many on this site cannot use creams or they break out or have allergy issues. Even coconut can cause breakouts and clogging on some.
HA is a hydrophylic substance. It absorbs water. When I say 100% HA, I mean water and HA, not mixed with a bunch of other stuff. Cosmetics today love to add things that are not beneficial so it looks like a better product, they actually give you less of the active ingredient. This can also cause issues for those who are sensitive or using something say on a wound, microneedling (in the skin) as HA does not have any reaction if it's just pure water and HA, but it would with other ingredients (allergies, infection). So it's simple to find, go on Amazon eBay or any website for your country and get HA with just water. Of course the HA molecule when it absorbs water is like X1500 times the size of it in dried form. Just look for a simple version of the serum.
@91babyAs BA said, regarding pure HA, yes, don't buy anything that has ingredients other than HA and water. You can find it online or a local health store might have it. It feels like silk!
2 hours ago, Flooressence said:How much did subcision at Glenelg Day Surgery cost? I'm trying to find a good place in Aus
Initial consult was around $150 (about half of that can be claimed back on medicare) and then $200 per treatment (about $36 back on medicare) - dr catherine black is great. Where abouts are you located?
3 hours ago, 91baby said:Initial consult was around $150 (about half of that can be claimed back on medicare) and then $200 per treatment (about $36 back on medicare) - dr catherine black is great. Where abouts are you located?
Wow very affordable, I was considering going to Singapore for a Dr who was recommended on here - but treatment was 500-600 or so.
I am located in Perth.
1 hour ago, Flooressence said:Wow very affordable, I was considering going to Singapore for a Dr who was recommended on here - but treatment was 500-600 or so.I am located in Perth.
Have you looked around in perth? My dr doesn't officially list subcision as a treatment she provides (as in, its not advertised on the surgery's website etc) i had to call and enquire. So it might be worth actually calling some places in perth and asking about the procedure. Its such an easy procedure so i don't see why you wouldn't be able to find someone in Perth! I wouldn't be going overseas just for subcision, its too simple a procedure for all that effort if you get me