I have a question for those who have rolled multiple times: do you notice a decrease in the amount of post roll redness the more you roll?

The first time I rolled, I rolled lightly and understandably didn't get very red. The second time I rolled, I was more thorough and pressed a little harder. I recall being very red. I didn't feel that I could go to work until the the 4th day after rolling at the earliest (it didn't matter that week bc I had off, it was just an observation).

I finished my 3rd roll this Thursday (I had off Friday). I tried to roll as thoroughly as I did during my second effort. The first day after rolling I was pretty red, but today my 2nd day post roll, I notice that I am healing much faster, my face is only slightly red. I feel pretty comfortable going out today without getting too much attention and I would feel totally comfortable going to work tomorrow, my 3rd day post roll.

Am I less red this time bc I didn't roll as hard as I did the 2nd time or is it bc your body heals faster the more often you roll?

I personally don't notice any less redness or down time after rolling from treatment to treatment.

Hello

I have not read the whole thread, but I would appreciate if anyone could jump in and offer advice on a general consescous of what is the best way to use the derma roller with.

Creams? Supplements?

From my own research the must haves should be a collagen supplement, like NeoCell Super Collagen + C Type I and III

Best reviews on Amazon by far! It only gets 4.5 from 15 people just because 2 of them never got the supplement (from Amazon? weird) and gave 1 point.

A good quality vitamin c cream that would promote collagen formation, Avalon Organic Botanicals Vitamin C Hydrating Cleansing Milk

Again best reviews in Amazon, by far... I really like Amazon.com as you can see 😉

Lidocaine cream as as a topical anaesthetic for some serious rolling...

This is just some ideas, but I would love to hear what other people think.

Best videos I found for derma - rolling, how to do it, and how it works, is in dermaroller-planet.

I do not know if I can post a link, but you can google, derma roller planet videos.

I just use a C serum at 15-20% at 2.8-3.5ph. Supplements I use are vitamin c, msm, grape seed extract, omega 3.

In a nut shell, is dermarolling working for you guys? yes or no?

Abslutely.

Hi everyone. I am new to the message boards but not new to acne.org. I have been on the regimen for over a year and a half and have a few breakouts since starting but nothing major. Now I have some light scarring left over and it is not too bad but I notice it. I am intimidated by the 1.5mm roller but I am considering the 1 mm roller. Will this be effective? I have been reading through the boards so I know somewhat about the process. I am also looking into the biooil as greg09 has mentioned and that seems to be promising. I have also read other posts about people saying not to do the whole face because of the collagen production in areas not scarred. Has this affected anybody? I have scarring on my cheeks primarily but also some on my forehead and chin and would like to roll all of the problem areas. How long do you have to roll (meaning how long is the treatment not how long do you roll each time)? I am trying not to be too redundant but I did not see any of these issues addressed in previous posts. Thank you ahead of time for your responses.

I have not used a roller smaller in size then a 1.5mm. Anything less may not be optimal for improving scars. I roll my entire face and I have not had any issues in regards to collagen growth and healthy skin?? You have to roll as longas it takes to achieve the results you desire. There is no set time frame.

Hi there,

Also new to the thread (not the board). Gonna try this with .75 mm for a check area and see what happens. Question about sterilization. What do people use to sterilize their dermaroller before and after treatment?

Thanks to all for sharing their experiences.

rubbing alcohol. Let it soak 30m roughly pre roll and post roll. I let it air dry after soaking it post roll then put it back in its tube/holder

carolina rain said:

Okay guys I have a question. I began self needling and rolling about two years ago.Although yes there has been huge changes in the scars Im kind of stuck in the phase where although my scars are more shallow they are wider and more noticeable. I have some rolling and icepick scars.

My question is that I have heard conflicting info that needling is good on rolling scars and boxcar scars but not icepicks. Well before reading this (and I had done alot of reading but somehow didnt read this), I came across some people saying that it wasnt good for icepicks. I have already been consistantly needling several icepick scars and even though I have heard it does nothing it has most definately made tham raise but some became much more noticeable. So in a way there are a couple I wished I had left alone due to this but already plunged into it,lol.

But on a couple of them it looks as if the needling has now turned them into rolling scars! Is it possible that gradually an ice pick scar through needling couldeventually turn into a rolling scar? And in theory would it also mean that if consistent one could eventually level even icepick scars although it would be harder and take longer to do so?

My last question is for someone who knows about LED lights, I think Lamar if you see this youd be a good one to know this. I am completely new to Led lights and is it something that can be bought perhaps through ebay? Here is a link that I found through ebay and pardon me if I sound completely stupid here if these are not the type of lights I need.

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Please help anyone with knowledge on those couple questions please help cause this battle is hard to fight on your own. While I can see where the rolling and needling could work I am stuck in the phase of fearing whether to keep going in the presence of wider but shallower scars or quit for fear that they may never fully come up and just look more noticeable. :redface: Thanks!

I have plenty of ice pick scars and yes, they are difficult to treat. I have scars that change shapes, look better, then look worse ect..It is an on going process. I have made plenty of progress on some of my ice pick scars. Certain scars tend to respond better then others. I just continue to try and find little adjustments or techniques that can possible push those stubborn scars along..I have had scars get wider but in time they all seem to come around and slowly improve. I don't currently have any scars that are worse off from rolling at this time.

Those are not the led's you need. you want to look into yellow led at 590nm. And red led at 660nm..You can purchase decent led's from ebay..search the forum for ledman also and check his website.

Thanks Munsoned for the info. Are there any specific techniques your talking about like the led's or even saline injection along with rolling that have worked?

My last question is for someone who knows about LED lights, I think Lamar if you see this youd be a good one to know this. I am completely new to Led lights and is it something that can be bought perhaps through ebay? Here is a link that I found through ebay and pardon me if I sound completely stupid here if these are not the type of lights I need.

http://cgi.ebay.com/120-X-5mm-Red-Green-Bl...=item1c0c78db83

I found a 660nm red LED light on amazon for only $30 - way cheaper than most other places. Just search for the company LED wholesalers and look for the one that is 660nm. They have other red LEDs at the wrong wavelength so make sure you are looking at the right one.

Thanks Munsoned for the info. Are there any specific techniques your talking about like the led's or even saline injection along with rolling that have worked?

You're welcome. If I find certain scars are not responding I may try a different type of needle like a 3rl to 5rl tattoo needles to see if I can jump start some progress. Or I may individually needle or even roll more often for certain scars. Not my entire face. Or I may try taking more down time between rolls. Or roll once a month for 2 straight months and then take a longer down time before I roll again. I try differeny needling techniques and angles to see if it can help. Those types of things are the adjustments I'll make. If a scar or scars are not responding I feel you gotta change your approach to try and get things moving along.

Do you use a numbing cream munsoned?

Thanks,Ill do that. Does anyone have any opinions as to whether the red is better as opposed to yellow or if its optimal to use both?

Hi,i am very pleased that your skin and scars has been improving,on the other hand,i would sincerely hope some you guys out there could help me.

Wel i am 17,still studying and have recently seeked scar treatment(acne) from an aesthetics doc in my country.i did some research before i went and knew that i wanted to seek for derma roller treatment.After the consultation,i explained to her that i dont really envy the scars on my face one bit.She told me to do a combination of treatments which was- Derma roller(5 sessions) and Chemical peel(5 sessions).

In the sense of chemical peel,she would apply PCA(salicylic aid) on my face and TCA on the small pimples that i have.

The cost was $3000 in my country -(US$2000)-pls do note that i am still studying and worked part time to pay.

Well,she told me that the treatment type will alternate and will be done every 2 weeks.

EG: chem peel----2wks-----d.roller-----2wks-----chem peel----and so on.

After my first peel session,i did not see much of a diff after 7 days where she told me that the peeling process would be completed.Only a few pimples popping out.

TWo weeks later-2days ago,i went for my first D.roller session.she used a 2mm needle and after numbing cream,i did feel she rolled more aggressively on my left cheek,now i have kinda like scratch marks(light ones) on my left cheek-though i see it getting fainter,i m still worried that i might not go away.ON the other hand where most of my scars are on the right cheek,i did not see any improvement (yet).

However the funny thing is i have heard that the redness will prolong till the 3rd day and so on.

For me on the contary,i bled like profusely whe rolling but the redness completely went away after 20 hrs.(completely!)

Well basically,i am writing to share my experience and will definitely keep you updated.

But i would also like to ask those who have rather respectable knowledge on these treatments if this combination of treatment i a doing(peel and d.roller) would work on my face 17 year old or is it a good combination and should not see a problem.

I just cant stop panicking because i have isolated myself from everyone i knew (other than my parents) because of my scars for a year already even though i m 17,and channeled my anger on my studies so that at least i could be a good student.

Once again i would like to thank you in advance for your replies.

Thanks,Ill do that. Does anyone have any opinions as to whether the red is better as opposed to yellow or if its optimal to use both?

Cr, use both.

Good grief man I need help again.Just like you were saying about scratches Rebel, I rolled about two weeks ago using only the 0.5 roller and it seems like I see new surface scars or something forming. They are not really deep but almost look like new tiny holes and some light surface scars. I didnt use hard pressure and this was only done with a 0.5 mm roller and I had not used even the 0.5 in quite a while.I used topicals afterwards and have rolled before but never had this problem.Could a 0.5 mm roller even cause scars since it doesnt reach the dermis?...or do you think I may be overreacting here and they are more likely scratches?Sometimes you can get to looking at your face so much you wonder if your just seeing things, hhe!

Good grief man I need help again.Just like you were saying about scratches Rebel, I rolled about two weeks ago using only the 0.5 roller and it seems like I see new surface scars or something forming. They are not really deep but almost look like new tiny holes and some light surface scars. I didnt use hard pressure and this was only done with a 0.5 mm roller and I had not used even the 0.5 in quite a while.I used topicals afterwards and have rolled before but never had this problem.Could a 0.5 mm roller even cause scars since it doesnt reach the dermis?...or do you think I may be overreacting here and they are more likely scratches?Sometimes you can get to looking at your face so much you wonder if your just seeing things, hhe!

Hi,carolina,i really dont think you have scratches since you ve said you rolled lightly.well mine scratches from 2mm needles seems to be fading a llittle day by day.

And dont worry,i think yours will fade away even quicker.I would just like to know if derma rolling has helped reduce your scars so far?

Thanks.

Why do some dermatologists say this doesn't work at all? I read a lot of reviews on RealSelf and whenever someone asks about dermarolling the doctors tell them not to waste their time.

Maybe because they don't offer the treatment and want the customer to get a treatment done they offer?? You won't find a derm who offers rolling tell you it does not work. It is only the guys who don't offer it and try to push something else on you it seems to me.

I have been rolling/needling/led/ for over a year. I have seen very good improvements so far.

 

what % improvement do you think youve seen ?

Hi Rebel, well I see quite a bit of improvements within the first week or so.But most I think is from microswelling.Like Ive said on this board before as far as from needling my scars are shallower but wider so I assume you just need to keep going.I havnt quite used a roller yet that would even remodel scars so everything that I have done has only been with 30 guage lancets and .5 mm roller.After I figure out whats going on as far as the scratches or something Ill start thinking of my next option and go very slow! (:

Ive rolled twice. Once with 2.0mm and once with 2.5mm

Hi Rebel, well I see quite a bit of improvements within the first week or so.But most I think is from microswelling.Like Ive said on this board before as far as from needling my scars are shallower but wider so I assume you just need to keep going.I havnt quite used a roller yet that would even remodel scars so everything that I have done has only been with 30 guage lancets and .5 mm roller.After I figure out whats going on as far as the scratches or something Ill start thinking of my next option and go very slow! (:

Hey carolina,i guess you have plans sorted out to deal with the scars,and as a fellow scar sufferer,i wish you all the best for your scas and will update you on improvements if i see any on my face.GOOD LUCK

Ive rolled twice. Once with 2.0mm and once with 2.5mm

Have you seen any results engineer?

How were the improvements for you,NA dfor your info,i am 17 and have done derma roller once 2.0mm,and the downtime was 1 day for me,but after 1 week(now),i dont see much improvement thoguh in the sense of scars.But will keep everyone updated.

I just did my first 1.5mm dermarolling session with Dr. Roller's 3-line roller. It really didn't hurt after applying EMLA cream + dressing and waiting an hour + icing the area 10 minutes prior to the roll.

I also dumped Jason's Hyper-C Serum on it, so we'll see how it goes.

You should start your own log with pictures so we can see your progress.

I just did my first 1.5mm dermarolling session with Dr. Roller's 3-line roller. It really didn't hurt after applying EMLA cream + dressing and waiting an hour + icing the area 10 minutes prior to the roll.

I also dumped Jason's Hyper-C Serum on it, so we'll see how it goes.

Hey,yeah wanted to start a log,but i only have a 2 mega pixel camera and it is not able to show a single pit when itsclose up.But i ll start a log on the the improvements(precise descriptions).

i really wonder why there is NO recommedation of needling/dermaroller to treat acne scars in many official international medical sites..?

i know some said it may be due to the fact that the dermatologists dont have the technology to sell to patients but some research said it hasnt had enought scientific evidence to prove it.. here in hongkong there are SO many comanpies claims that it works because they just wanna sell the dermrollers, which i think is cruel to people who are suffering from acne scar, the pain that others cant taste.. so can someone offer me other answers? please?I am SO eager to know

PS I am so excited to find this site recently where i can find people who can understand the situation im going through (especially last summer i was seriously depressed because of my face as i was going to be a freshman in the coming year WHICH CAUSED ME TO HAVE SERIOUS BREAKOUT, SO GUYS PLEASE DANT BE DEPRESSED AT ANYTIME CUASE IT CAN CASUE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES ) AND i would like to thank all who give informative replies which really help! really appreciate! THANK YOU!

i really wonder why there is NO recommedation of needling/dermaroller to treat acne scars in many official international medical sites..?

i know some said it may be due to the fact that the dermatologists dont have the technology to sell to patients but some research said it hasnt had enought scientific evidence to prove it.. here in hongkong there are SO many comanpies claims that it works because they just wanna sell the dermrollers, which i think is cruel to people who are suffering from acne scar, the pain that others cant taste.. so can someone offer me other answers? please?I am SO eager to know

PS I am so excited to find this site recently where i can find people who can understand the situation im going through :drool: (especially last summer i was seriously depressed because of my face as i was going to be a freshman in the coming year WHICH CAUSED ME TO HAVE SERIOUS BREAKOUT, SO GUYS PLEASE DANT BE DEPRESSED AT ANYTIME CUASE IT CAN CASUE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES ) AND i would like to thank all who give informative replies which really help! really appreciate! THANK YOU! :clap: 😀

Hey,just wanted to let you know that you r not alone.The treason behind the fact that aesthetic surgeons/doctors dont post dermaroller on their website is because there is very mimnimal proof that it works.The theory that leads to the derma roller does not seem to be accepted by many doctors,however for us acne sufferers...we are willing to try just about anything.As for my case i have signed up for derma roller sessions with a medical doctor,and will be hoping that my scars will disappear/diminish within the next 5 months-otherwise i am just lost for hope and .....

Hey,just wanted to let you know that you r not alone.The treason behind the fact that aesthetic surgeons/doctors dont post dermaroller on their website is because there is very mimnimal proof that it works.The theory that leads to the derma roller does not seem to be accepted by many doctors,however for us acne sufferers...we are willing to try just about anything.As for my case i have signed up for derma roller sessions with a medical doctor,and will be hoping that my scars will disappear/diminish within the next 5 months-otherwise i am just lost for hope and .....

hey rebel1992 thank you so much for that! i know the treatment u are going through cause i have read ur earlier post and i have replied it in case u didnt know =]

the treatment the derm suggested tome is so similar to yours but i go all the chemical peeling first and then the dermarolling. but i havent decided to do the dermarolling coz i do think i have indented or icepick scars instead and i read from here that its best for rolling and boxcar scarrings. i really dont know what my scars call. as like half of the scars i recieved is not related to acne.its becoz of me ...anyway long story..

and also the money whichis huge to people like us.. poor student .. so i totally felt what u are going thru too when i saw ur post

btw dermarolling is like a trend in korea and is quite successful thats why it get into hongkong, so at least there some proves and hopes out there!

anyway good luck with ur treatment! i hope u end up with prettier and healthy skin 😀 best wishes