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I know you told me to wait and now I see why!!!!! If I would have know I would have never rolled!!!! That kind of thing you should have mentioned even though it is bad news. Me being an impatient I might have messed myself more
Anyway the messed up thing is too that I was rereading your posted and decided to take the anti hystimines again. I took one the day before the spontanous scar showed up and then kinda retreated back into the skin. I know it is problaby just a coesidence (sp) but it has me totally freaked!!! Now I am scared to take the antihystimine!! My skin is still so fragile from Tane I really have to be careful!!!
I am going to just do the lights and the terproline. I will start them separatlely so if I have a bad reaction I will at least be able to see what might be causing it.
I am just going to roll my stretch marks on my butt for now. I swear I saw improvement on my white (I don't have any red, thank God for small favors LOL) stretch marks (new & old) just after one roll.
I used a 1.0 roller and numbed with Elma. I bought the 3 line Dr. Roller 1.5 that you recommended and am psyched to use it and give myself a really good intense roll!!! I will as soon as my PMS passes which makes everything more sensitive!! LOL
I talked with frank at transitions and he said that for stretch marks he recommends a small roller .05 or 07. because he says that the mark is the dermis at the top so you don't have to to deep to get to it. he also said the the marks are not scar tissue!!! I thought the marks were scar tissue and that we were going in to break up that scar tissue. I am so confused now.
What do you think and have you done anymore rolls on your girlfriends marks and how are the white ones coming along.
Thanks again.
OMG Lamarr I just read that you picked up more spontanous scars from Dermarolling. Was it the first time you rolled. As you know I am suffering from spontanous scarring i though it stoped and then yesterday bang another one appeared and then faded back into the skin alittle. I did two mini rolls so now I am scared to dermaroll. I am off Accutane since the end of March. An assh*le doc did an IPL on me on June 2nd when I was only off Tane for 2 months then the scaring started appearing in July. It was the worst in October and I thought it stopped but now i am not so sure. I am going to just use the roller on my stretch marks on my body.
I ordered the Red/Infa Red and the amber LED lights from the LEDman and was sooo psyched to use them now I am a little afread. Do you think it would be safe to use on my face. I don't know but I think I read somewhere that the red/infra red help with Roceaca by bringing more oxyen to the capilaries. Is that true and if it is is that stimutationg them that might cuase more spontanous scaring?????
Please let me know what you think about the lights also wanted to order the terpoline and apply it to my face do you think that would be safe or not.
How long do you think I should wait to Dermaroll. How many months were you off Tane and how many months after you thought the spontanous scaring was over did you roll and pick up more scars and then how long after that did you roll and it was safe and did not cause more scars.
Wow you are brave after I rooled and got more scars I would have been terrified to roll again.
Amy it is why i recommended that you wait a few months before rolling your face remember!! I didn't want to tell you the full reason but i still said you should wait!
Anyway.... Wait a few more months, the lights and terproline is fine for the moment. Remember no vitamin A in any form either in supplements or topical retinoids etc. Avoid omega supplements aswell. I recommend you take an anti histamine for two days before you roll next time just to be sure!!
Best wishes,
mark
hey lamarr...that is like my final question...which topical will I use...
CPs read good stuff and neutral over at skinbio and essentialdayspa...may I ask how long you used them...and were you only deterred because of what you read or from your own experience?
I am gonna give terproline (if I can get professional) a go for like 3 months then CPs for 3 months...obviously along with the LEDs while Im healing from the rolling
Any more advice is very much so appreciated
PS Right after rolling did you apply any antibacterial oinments, like neosproin or polysporin? or did you LED right away and use terproline?
thanks
how are you guys dermarolling with work, school & other daily activities. I just needled 2 scars and damned if they werent bright red for 2 weeks. Just curious how you guys go about doing this.
Im in school full time and work 40 hours a week, so really interested in hearing this. Thanks for everyones input.
Thanks for the reply lamarr you are clearly helping alot of people. I just have a few more questions.
1:I have looked through the thread and you talk about sterilizing and Bactroban do i use this on the needles/dermaroller as well as the face or should i just use boiling water to clean the needles/dermaroller. Also where do you buy bactroban from?
2: How long have you been using Bactroban because some sites warn against prolonged use.
3: In regardss to needling the site you said is American do you know of anywhere in England? Also do you know where can i get the stopper?
4: When i got dermarolled by Dr Chu he went back and forward then up and down then he seemed to twist the dermaroller around the scar full circle with what seemed to be the dermaroller on its side. Is this the same method he did to you?
5: How long after accutane did you start dermarolling?
6: is the process of dermarolling on the nose the same as the face? or could i do damage if i went as hard on the nose?
Hi lamar,
I've been reading up on the success that you and some others were having with dermarolling/LED lights, so I decided to order my own set. The LED lights, 5mm needles, and the dermaroller all came in the mail today, but now I'm chickening out. I was looking at the needles and they were a lot deeper than I thought they would be. I tried needling a single scar to get me started with a 5mm diabetic pen needle, but i stopped after one poke because it hurt like hell. I only went a fourth of the way in with the needle but I started to bleed so I stopped. I thought many people use the dermaroller without EMLA? I live in the US and I'm having trouble finding some (as well as terproline) I guess I need some words of encouragement or some assurance that this process is safe?
Just some background info I've had pretty bad acne, but I got rid of most of it with BP, but the acne left pretty nasty scars on my jawline. I don't have a lot of pitted scars but a lot brown/purple spots that I'm looking to get rid of. Will the dermaroller/needling/LED lights help with these? If the dermaroller/needling is supposed to help with absorption of topicals, can I apply BP on the spots where I still have acne and cocoa butter on the parts with scars after needling/dermarolling?
Thanks in advance!
Hi lamar,I've been reading up on the success that you and some others were having with dermarolling/LED lights, so I decided to order my own set. The LED lights, 5mm needles, and the dermaroller all came in the mail today, but now I'm chickening out. I was looking at the needles and they were a lot deeper than I thought they would be. I tried needling a single scar to get me started with a 5mm diabetic pen needle, but i stopped after one poke because it hurt like hell. I only went a fourth of the way in with the needle but I started to bleed so I stopped. I thought many people use the dermaroller without EMLA? I live in the US and I'm having trouble finding some (as well as terproline) I guess I need some words of encouragement or some assurance that this process is safe?
Just some background info I've had pretty bad acne, but I got rid of most of it with BP, but the acne left pretty nasty scars on my jawline. I don't have a lot of pitted scars but a lot brown/purple spots that I'm looking to get rid of. Will the dermaroller/needling/LED lights help with these? If the dermaroller/needling is supposed to help with absorption of topicals, can I apply BP on the spots where I still have acne and cocoa butter on the parts with scars after needling/dermarolling?
Thanks in advance!
make sure you use rubbing alcohol or something to prep your skin before needling or rolling. also I used BP for years and it left my skin with alot of long term damage. I wish I never used that stuff.. Not saying the same will happen to you, just wanted to share that with you incase it can help.. heres a link to get emla.
http://www.westcoastskin.com/product_displ...spx?productid=4
not sure about the terproline. I live in the US to.. you gotta be brave when doing this. maybe start with a very small derma roller and build up over time to a bigger size if you even end up needing it. give your skin a chance to build up its ability to deal with a larger size roller.. I have pretty bad scarring so for me Its worth any pain it causes. for me the individual needling was nothing, no pain and I didn't use any numbing for that..i treated about 25 or 30 scars too. Best of luck.. 🙂
Hey lamarr, I'm wondering what kind of sunscreen/sunblock you use. I have never used any my entire life and it seems most otc products contain moisturizers, oils ect. that just don't agree with my skin type.
I also started looking into making my own with zinc oxide and titanium dioxide. Apparently, there's a chance after it's applied it will lay like clown make up. The stuff turns white when dry.
Any suggestions?
Vitage is a non greasy sunscreen,here is a link to the price of Vitage.
if anyone using LEDs notices their scars looking worse at all, if you could post so, that'd be cool.
think it could be the drying effect making them appear more pronounced but after about 1 1/2 weeks of using, have noticed scars i hadn't before. doubt very much it's actually worsening them but would be nice to get any feedback should any of you notice it. (no dermaroller yet, just the amber and red/infra.)
if anyone using LEDs notices their scars looking worse at all, if you could post so, that'd be cool.think it could be the drying effect making them appear more pronounced but after about 1 1/2 weeks of using, have noticed scars i hadn't before. doubt very much it's actually worsening them but would be nice to get any feedback should any of you notice it. (no dermaroller yet, just the amber and red/infra.)
I started my light therapy about two weeks ago. From the beginning, I noticed my skin was less oily and drier in general. My scars did look a lil worse but this is to be expected. I call it the "beef jerky" effect. I also use copper peptides and they are known for making scars look worse in the beginning.
That dried out looking skin is now gone. I have had about 6 sessions ( once every other day) with the .05 dermaroller and my skin is now noticeably more plump/healthy looking. I'm actually surprised at how much better my skin has been looking because of this lil roller.
My Emla cream still hasn't arrived so I have to wait before starting my first session with my 1.5 dermaroller.
The positive effects the lights have had on my oily skin made me look more into light therapy in general. The Blue/Violet 415nm light wave, has great antibacterial effects. It's been shown in many medical reports world wide for it's positive effects on mild/moderate and severe acne. It is also mentioned as helping oily skin. I have just ordered the Enlux 415nm bulb. I'm hoping for more improvement with my oily skin and for occasional breakouts I get every now and then.
if anyone using LEDs notices their scars looking worse at all, if you could post so, that'd be cool.think it could be the drying effect making them appear more pronounced but after about 1 1/2 weeks of using, have noticed scars i hadn't before. doubt very much it's actually worsening them but would be nice to get any feedback should any of you notice it. (no dermaroller yet, just the amber and red/infra.)
I started my light therapy about two weeks ago. From the beginning, I noticed my skin was less oily and drier in general. My scars did look a lil worse but this is to be expected. I call it the "beef jerky" effect. I also use copper peptides and they are known for making scars look worse in the beginning.
That dried out looking skin is now gone. I have had about 6 sessions ( once every other day) with the .05 dermaroller and my skin is now noticeably more plump/healthy looking. I'm actually surprised at how much better my skin has been looking because of this lil roller.
My Emla cream still hasn't arrived so I have to wait before starting my first session with my 1.5 dermaroller.
The positive effects the lights have had on my oily skin made me look more into light therapy in general. The Blue/Violet 415nm light wave, has great antibacterial effects. It's been shown in many medical reports world wide for it's positive effects on mild/moderate and severe acne. It is also mentioned as helping oily skin. I have just ordered the Enlux 415nm bulb. I'm hoping for more improvement with my oily skin and for occasional breakouts I get every now and then.
http://www.intelligentacnetreatment.com/p-415nm.htm
omg ! the led's made your scars look worse ? has that gone away yet ? i dont wanna use led's if they gona make my scars bigger/deeper
omg ! the led's made your scars look worse ? has that gone away yet ? i dont wanna use led's if they gona make my scars bigger/deeper
LOL, wow, slow down buddy. NO, my scars were not worse because of using the LEDs. Perhaps after rolling out of bed this morning and posting, I wrote too fast and didn't make myself clear enough.
The LEDs made me drier/less oily. THAT WAS A GREAT THING! I use the term 'beef jerky" effect to myself whenever something has the ability to dry this face of mine up. I have a serious sebum issue.I actually mentioned to someone in pm that I thought my progress was going great but I didn't want to yet share with the board as other may think their progress would also be this quick.
I have to say that the copper peptides did make my scars look darker and generally worse in appearance, when I first started using them. I was however expecting this as the SkinBiology forum speak about it.
Hope that clarifies things.
BTW, If I thought the LEDs were negative in anyway, I would have never ordered the new Enlux Blue/Violet 415nm.
Hey,What eye protection are people using? Any recommended goggles to protect our eyes from the LEDs?
I was almost blinded by the yellow leds, though the infrared ones are the real danger. I was told tanning goggles with some aluminum foil inside does the trick?
Cheers
Although the Red,Near-Infrared 660-880nm and the Yellow 590nm aren't really known for causing eye damage, I choose to wear sun-tanning goggles. They protect from UV rays and filter out broad spectrum light ( tinted gray).You can visit any online eyeglass retailer to read up more on tints that protect the yes. You can pick up a pair of suntanning goggles. Any local tanning place will have them and the go for about $5.
The Blue/Violet 415nm I spoke about above MUST be used with eye protection.
justanother1, how long have you been on SB's CPs? and have the scars that worsened at least become normal again (ie the way they were before CPs?)
I've been using the Super CP Serum approx. 20hrs out of the day for about three weeks now.
A lil back history, as I knew I would be starting dermaroller therapy I started to do 15% ( 1 time )and 25% ( 2 times ) salicylic acid peels to prep my skin in the weeks before I started therapy. When I started the Super CP, my face was irritated from it and the scars darkened. This went on for about 1 week or so. After that first week my skin adjusted to the CPs and all became normal.
The scars today look a lot better than before I started therapy. I give most of the credit to the 0.5 dermaroller . I've been using the 0.5 roller every other day now and have had about 6 sessions. There is some microswelling I'm sure but my over all skin tone is so even and my face in general looks so much firmer.
I can't wait for my Emla cream to finally arrive so I can start my 1.5 roller. This is where the real changes are going to take place.
Hey,What eye protection are people using? Any recommended goggles to protect our eyes from the LEDs?
I was almost blinded by the yellow leds, though the infrared ones are the real danger. I was told tanning goggles with some aluminum foil inside does the trick?
Cheers
Although the Red,Near-Infrared 660-880nm and the Yellow 590nm aren't really known for causing eye damage, I choose to wear sun-tanning goggles. They protect from UV rays and filter out broad spectrum light ( tinted gray).You can visit any online eyeglass retailer to read up more on tints that protect the yes. You can pick up a pair of suntanning goggles. Any local tanning place will have them and the go for about $5.
The Blue/Violet 415nm I spoke about above MUST be used with eye protection.
Thanks for the info! I will go and get some goggles
hey guys, I have a few questions regarding the LEDs for acne. I bought red/infared LEDs from LEDman for scar treatment and unfortunately had broken out quite badly after I've received it. I'm currently seeking for a quality and econocial blue LEDs for treating acne. Which ones do you guys recommend or have tried. The ones from beautyskin seems promising but costs like $300!!! I've also noticed that LEDman also sells blue LEDs however, with the wavelength of 470nm it seems to be a bit to high compared to the others and the ones established in the research.
hey just another1: did you buy the blue LEDs for scars or for acne as well? What are the results so far?
hey guys, I have a few questions regarding the LEDs for acne. I bought red/infared LEDs from LEDman for scar treatment and unfortunately had broken out quite badly after I've received it. I'm currently seeking for a quality and econocial blue LEDs for treating acne. Which ones do you guys recommend or have tried. The ones from beautyskin seems promising but costs like $300!!! I've also noticed that LEDman also sells blue LEDs however, with the wavelength of 470nm it seems to be a bit to high compared to the others and the ones established in the research.hey just another1: did you buy the blue LEDs for scars or for acne as well? What are the results so far?
I didn't want to weigh down lamarr's thread with the subject of Blue/Violet light therapy but considering you also use the Red leds I'll give a reply.
Medical studies have shown that Red 660nm wavelength does have antibacterial ability but not as much as the Blue 415nm. This is why you were probably getting some breakouts. Like other acne treatments, as you start killing of the P. acne bacteria your body reacts by increased breakout. It is mentioned with the use of Blue light therapy to also expect this initial breakout.
After all of my reading, the Enlux Blue 415nm I mentioned above is the best value. It offers free 90day money back guarranty, free lifetime replacement. They say it will last 50,000 hrs. That's approx. 410 years at using it 20 minutes a day. Others have praised the BeautySkin light but the warranty and the fact the bulbs are limited in lifespan is reason enough not to purchase it in my opinion.
There is a section here ate acne.org for light therapy. You can drop in there and search through some past threads.
All the best.
P.S. no, I bought the Blue/Violet light for occasional breakout I still get and in hopes that my oily skin will be further reduced. I just ordered it 2 days ago so I haven't reeived it yet to use it. Others who have used it, had great success with it. Again, with a 90 day free money back trial, how can you go wrong.
Also, the Blue 470nm does have some antibacterial ability but the 415nm is the optimum wavelength shown in numerous medical studies to be most effective. Go right for the 415nm.