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i have a question, i've asked lamar this before but would like to know from others as well.
i understand most of you use the medical dermaroller models right? do you use a new one everytime you use it on your face or you use a new one after you've used it a few times?
i'm getting my dermaroller sessions from a derm and he has used the same roller 6 times now. is this alright?
i have a question, i've asked lamar this before but would like to know from others as well.i understand most of you use the medical dermaroller models right? do you use a new one everytime you use it on your face or you use a new one after you've used it a few times?
i'm getting my dermaroller sessions from a derm and he has used the same roller 6 times now. is this alright?
Almost everyone using the dermaroller for "at home" therapy reuse the roller but make sure to keep it sanitized.
Your doctor could be using a medical model that is autoclavable. This is something you have to ask him about. Make sure you ask him if the roller is used on other patients as well. Even if his model is autoclavable, I would not want to share a roller with anyone. To me the risk of infection is just way too high.
cause for concern?
I just wanted to point out that on a disclaimer sheet I received from the LEDman it states:
"Avoid shining the 880nm LEDs at the eyes, thyroid or skull."
Obviously this light will be shining on our skull when treating scars, is there any information on the dangers of this? It mentions not to use them for more than 10-20minutes, and perhaps it is in reference to this...
I hope to use this treatment regularly and wanted to be a but cautious...
cause for concern?I just wanted to point out that on a disclaimer sheet I received from the LEDman it states:
"Avoid shining the 880nm LEDs at the eyes, thyroid or skull."
Obviously this light will be shining on our skull when treating scars, is there any information on the dangers of this? It mentions not to use them for more than 10-20minutes, and perhaps it is in reference to this...
I hope to use this treatment regularly and wanted to be a but cautious...
After I read that from the LEDman's disclaimer sheet, I spent time looking online for anything relating to the 660nm or 880nm causing safety issues and didn't find anything.
Where his sheet lists the issues with the eyes I have read just the opposite that at those wavelengths harm to the eyes doesn't occur. I decided myself to use suntanning goggles because they were cheap and in no way interfere with me doing therapy.
If you look at the sentence just prior to the one you posted it reads "On limbs, legs, shoulders, ect. we do not know of any time limitations, but you should probably not go longer than 10 -20 minutes on torso and head.
Now the next question is, what's the difference between the "head" and "skull" to the person who wrote these comments. lol
Why don't you write the LEDman and ask him if these are his words to " cover himself" of anything unforeseen or are they actual excerpts from a medical report. If so which medical report, so we can read it in full.
BTW, in some of the reading i've done, I know I read of both these wave lengths being tried on things like Parkinson's disease (brain disease) and another dealing with testing of certain functions of the brain.
i have a question, i've asked lamar this before but would like to know from others as well.i understand most of you use the medical dermaroller models right? do you use a new one everytime you use it on your face or you use a new one after you've used it a few times?
i'm getting my dermaroller sessions from a derm and he has used the same roller 6 times now. is this alright?
Almost everyone using the dermaroller for "at home" therapy reuse the roller but make sure to keep it sanitized.
Your doctor could be using a medical model that is autoclavable. This is something you have to ask him about. Make sure you ask him if the roller is used on other patients as well. Even if his model is autoclavable, I would not want to share a roller with anyone. To me the risk of infection is just way too high.
thanks for the reply. nope, its only being used on my skin.
if i were to do needling, do i need to use a different needle everytime i needle my scars? i plan on doing it every two months and i have a few deeper ones on my skin. so does that mean the first month i do it, i use the same needle on all scars and after two months buy a new needle?
i have a question, i've asked lamar this before but would like to know from others as well.i understand most of you use the medical dermaroller models right? do you use a new one everytime you use it on your face or you use a new one after you've used it a few times?
i'm getting my dermaroller sessions from a derm and he has used the same roller 6 times now. is this alright?
Almost everyone using the dermaroller for "at home" therapy reuse the roller but make sure to keep it sanitized.
Your doctor could be using a medical model that is autoclavable. This is something you have to ask him about. Make sure you ask him if the roller is used on other patients as well. Even if his model is autoclavable, I would not want to share a roller with anyone. To me the risk of infection is just way too high.
thanks for the reply. nope, its only being used on my skin.
if i were to do needling, do i need to use a different needle everytime i needle my scars? i plan on doing it every two months and i have a few deeper ones on my skin. so does that mean the first month i do it, i use the same needle on all scars and after two months buy a new needle?
If you'll be needling individual scars, you use the individual type needle lamarr mentioned at the beginning of this thread. You dispose of these needles each time you finish a session. A box usually comes with 100 count.
http://www.glucosemeters4u.com/bd-pen-needle-short5mm31G.htm
If you plan on dermarolling at home instead of having your doctor do it, you reuse the dermaroller but make sure you keep it sanitized and out of reach of others or things that may jeopardize it's cleaniness.
Good luck
i have a question, i've asked lamar this before but would like to know from others as well.i understand most of you use the medical dermaroller models right? do you use a new one everytime you use it on your face or you use a new one after you've used it a few times?
i'm getting my dermaroller sessions from a derm and he has used the same roller 6 times now. is this alright?
Almost everyone using the dermaroller for "at home" therapy reuse the roller but make sure to keep it sanitized.
Your doctor could be using a medical model that is autoclavable. This is something you have to ask him about. Make sure you ask him if the roller is used on other patients as well. Even if his model is autoclavable, I would not want to share a roller with anyone. To me the risk of infection is just way too high.
thanks for the reply. nope, its only being used on my skin.
if i were to do needling, do i need to use a different needle everytime i needle my scars? i plan on doing it every two months and i have a few deeper ones on my skin. so does that mean the first month i do it, i use the same needle on all scars and after two months buy a new needle?
If you'll be needling individual scars, you use the individual type needle lamarr mentioned at the beginning of this thread. You dispose of these needles each time you finish a session. A box usually comes with 100 count.
http://www.glucosemeters4u.com/bd-pen-needle-short5mm31G.htm
If you plan on dermarolling at home instead of having your doctor do it, you reuse the dermaroller but make sure you keep it sanitized and out of reach of others or things that may jeopardize it's cleaniness.
Good luck
oh ok..i thought i'm supposed to use a different needle on every scar.
thanks 🙂
Just out of curiosity. What ways did you guys come up with in order to sterilize the dermaroller safely. I've read that one from the forum use alcohol to sterize their needles, however, some manufacturers have claimed the inappropriateness of using alcohol as it could blunt/damage the needles . The company where I bought my dermaroller from, recommended to use medical grade antiseptics such as Dettol to sterilize the needles.
Oh yeh, about the needling, I personally use accupuncture needles to needle deeper scars. They are generally quite flexible in terms of length and width and I believe these are designed to effectively and safely penetrate through the skin without causing further scarring. So far I would say it has yielded pretty good progress, even better when I added the red, infared red & yellow LEDs.
Unfortunately, I have to suspend the workout because of the stupid breakout. To combat with the acne, decided to order an enlux hybrid bulb. And...after chatting with V, he agreed to make me an dual blue & red (415nm&660nm) array.. Should have asked him earlier. lol.. Anyway, fabulous customer service. Now, hesitating whether to keep or cancel the enlux hybrid order.
For ones that uses red, infared red and yellow LEDs: do you guys use any sort of protective goggles or glasses. I just kept my eyes closed and tried not to shine the lights directly to the eyes. However, planning to get something like that intelligent sells as I wouldn't want to ruin my eyes. Would this be sufficient against red, infared red or yellow lights? Or anyone can point out or pm me a weblink for a more suitable one?
Hi everyone,
I have been very interested in this post as I had read in other posts about the beneficial results of individually needling acne scars with the diabetic needles. I picked up about 100 needles from Walgreens for 9.99 a few weeks ago and did needle a few shallow scars and they do appear to have filled more then they were, but it is still early to truly tell. I do not feel I was too agressive. However, I am a firm believer that less is more sometimes...
I am about to take the plunge and invest in the red/infrared lights and yellow Leds. However, I have hesitated a bit because the cost is 695.00 for the red and infrared leds... I think I will do it though. I was just curious though as my skin has a combination of rolling scars, ice picks and red pigmented scars if doing at home chemical peels 12.5% tca and up would cause harm if I was also doing light therapy. I doubt it would since it accelerates the healing process, but I was interested in anyone else's feedback that may have tried it or is knowledgable in this area. Thanks!
All,
Please do not spend $700 on LEDs. There is little or no evidence to support the theory that they help healing or scars, and quite a bit of evidence that suggests that they have no effect.
Lamar,
I know you are trying to help, but you are making some claims that are pretty far out there such as:
1) Buy $700 LEDs because they will help scaring
2) Fish oil contributes to scaring.
How do you know that dermarolling alone isn't helping your acne and that you just flushed $700 down the toilet?
Finally, you never posted 2 pictures with the same lighting. I'm sorry dude, but that is the same inconsistency that doctors use in their photos of "miracle" cases of scar revision. Your skin in the before picture looks a lot like mine did when I was in the final stages of getting rid of my acne (I was on accutane). My skin still had some acne (like yours), was red (like yours), and was very dry and uneven. A lot of the unevenness and "blotchiness" I see in your picture looked like my face did, and it resolved over a period of time with no treatment.
To summarize, try dermarolling because it is a relatively cheap way to attempt to get results. If that doesn't work, go ahead and try LEDs if you want to drop $700, but remember, there simply isn't peer reviewed literature to support its effectiveness.
http://www.cigna.com/customer_care/healthc...ser_therapy.pdf
Low-level laser therapy (LLLT) has been proposed for a wide variety of uses, including wound healing, tuberculosis, and musculoskeletal conditions such as osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia and carpal tunnel syndrome. There is insufficient evidence in the published, peer-reviewed scientific literature to demonstrate that LLLT is effective for these conditions or other medical conditions.
Alright, thanks for the feedback - I just want to get the best results possible and I was afraid the cheaper ones are not as powerful. I certainly don't have an extra $700.00 laying around.
However, after spending $1200.00 at one point on C02 laser treatment and using copper peptides for a time and other scar remedies and not getting anywhere it seems hopeful the treatment that Lamar and Erynn proposed gave them results. If I can get the same results without spending $700.00 I am definitely going to investigate it. I also take biosil it is an oral supplement to help facilitate collegen production. I figure that may help me when I needle to get better results.
You don't have to buy the 700 dollar led pannel. I have never said this. I did dermarolling both with and without light therapy. The light therapy gave me much much better results. My pictures reflect the imporvment i have seen with my own eyes. Use the light, realise how they work then come back here and post your positive experience. I have had about 5 people tell me they are the best thing they have ever done for their acne scarring.
zegoggle i suggest you read more on the subject, you will see people are having good results all over the place now.
All,Please do not spend $700 on LEDs. There is little or no evidence to support the theory that they help healing or scars, and quite a bit of evidence that suggests that they have no effect.
Lamar,
I know you are trying to help, but you are making some claims that are pretty far out there such as:
1) Buy $700 LEDs because they will help scaring
2) Fish oil contributes to scaring.
How do you know that dermarolling alone isn't helping your acne and that you just flushed $700 down the toilet?
Finally, you never posted 2 pictures with the same lighting. I'm sorry dude, but that is the same inconsistency that doctors use in their photos of "miracle" cases of scar revision. Your skin in the before picture looks a lot like mine did when I was in the final stages of getting rid of my acne (I was on accutane). My skin still had some acne (like yours), was red (like yours), and was very dry and uneven. A lot of the unevenness and "blotchiness" I see in your picture looked like my face did, and it resolved over a period of time with no treatment.
To summarize, try dermarolling because it is a relatively cheap way to attempt to get results. If that doesn't work, go ahead and try LEDs if you want to drop $700, but remember, there simply isn't peer reviewed literature to support its effectiveness.
http://www.cigna.com/customer_care/healthc...ser_therapy.pdf
Low-level laser therapy (LLLT) has been proposed for a wide variety of uses, including wound healing, tuberculosis, and musculoskeletal conditions such as osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia and carpal tunnel syndrome. There is insufficient evidence in the published, peer-reviewed scientific literature to demonstrate that LLLT is effective for these conditions or other medical conditions.
listen buddy, you are pissing up the wrong tree. There are many reports available that show "LED Light Therapy" to work. Various wavelengths work at certain things, 660nm for acceleration of healing, 415nm for the destruction of P. acne bacteria ect. I know, I read many of them!
Since you dropped into this thread with your testicals forward. The burden is on YOU to provide valid links that dispute what was already talked about in this thread.
If you think for a minute you are going to come in here and weigh this very positive thread down with garbage, think again! I and I'm sure others will be contacting the mod. to put an end to it very quickly!
I have personally seen way too many threads destroyed by people like you. Perhaps you should have taken a deep breath before dropping into this thread and calling someone out.
Another thing, using the words of an "insurance company" who has a great interest in showing something not to work so they can refuse paying for treatment is pretty pathetic if not ignorant.
All,Please do not spend $700 on LEDs. There is little or no evidence to support the theory that they help healing or scars, and quite a bit of evidence that suggests that they have no effect.
Lamar,
I know you are trying to help, but you are making some claims that are pretty far out there such as:
1) Buy $700 LEDs because they will help scaring
2) Fish oil contributes to scaring.
How do you know that dermarolling alone isn't helping your acne and that you just flushed $700 down the toilet?
Finally, you never posted 2 pictures with the same lighting. I'm sorry dude, but that is the same inconsistency that doctors use in their photos of "miracle" cases of scar revision. Your skin in the before picture looks a lot like mine did when I was in the final stages of getting rid of my acne (I was on accutane). My skin still had some acne (like yours), was red (like yours), and was very dry and uneven. A lot of the unevenness and "blotchiness" I see in your picture looked like my face did, and it resolved over a period of time with no treatment.
To summarize, try dermarolling because it is a relatively cheap way to attempt to get results. If that doesn't work, go ahead and try LEDs if you want to drop $700, but remember, there simply isn't peer reviewed literature to support its effectiveness.
http://www.cigna.com/customer_care/healthc...ser_therapy.pdf
Low-level laser therapy (LLLT) has been proposed for a wide variety of uses, including wound healing, tuberculosis, and musculoskeletal conditions such as osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia and carpal tunnel syndrome. There is insufficient evidence in the published, peer-reviewed scientific literature to demonstrate that LLLT is effective for these conditions or other medical conditions.
I didn't reply fully before because i have been busy with uni work. If you read the whole thread i have posted two pictures in very similar lighting. READ the whole thread. You clearly haven't. I have answered your questions already. I don't want you to use this technique if you think for a second i am making things up. read all the posts i have ever made on this forum. All i have ever done is help people ever since i joined, before scarring was even an issue for me.
I hate it when people say i am making bold claims without evidence to back it up. Dude i DON'T want you to buy the LEDs by all means waste years of your life, it doesn't mean shit to me, especially when it is someone like you who has the balls to basically imply i am lieing.
People need to use there heads with this shit, don't just go by what i say unless you trust me. Go out and do your own research like i did when trying to address my scarring, I found something that works very well for me and i was sure it would do the same for others, hence the reason why i shared my results.
I feel like there is no point being here anymore, i love helping people but when you get the odd idiot trying to shoot down your attemps at helping people. It really makes me think twice about bothering anymore. i have NO visible scarring. no reason to be here other than to try and help. By all means buy your LEDs and terproline from anywhere the hell you want, i make nothing from reffering people to the LED man. Again it is just me trying to help, his units are cheap and effective for the purpose in question.
I want appologies from people like you, when over time this forum has more and more reports of success with the techniques i have recommended. I GARUNTEE when people have perfected this procedure like i have, they will all be getting better results than anything they have ever done.
Good luck to all the people following this technique and i hope people who have continued success with it try and help spread the word and help answer some of the questions which are repeatedly asked. I want to thank just anouther1 and anyone else for answering alot of the questions for me. When new questions pop up i like to answer them, but when i get pmed ten times per day asking the same thing it gets a bit old. I was considering writing down automated responses so i could copy and paste them. It is at that stage now lol.
I am excited for the following months to really see just how well this is going to work for people, i am very confident.
You don't have to buy the 700 dollar led pannel. I have never said this.
Really?
The first two sentences of your post...
"I want you ALL to begin using light therapy and dermaroller/needling. You can get yourself a whole "kit" for perhaps 750 dollars and you will get better results than anything else..."
:clap:
But seriously, despite the tone of my post, I am not trying to hijack this thread or whatever. I just don't want people to drop a lot of money on something that only has anecdotal evidence to back it up.
I read this entire thread before posting and I saw the pictures you posted. I am not convinced that you have provided objective evidence of your personal success with the LEDs. The pictures you posted are not shot in the same position. In addition, you still had active acne and uneven skin in your first pic (something you might believe to be additional scarring). I had the same look to my skin after I finished accutane, but now it is basically smooth (except for the actual scars I have). I don't know if you were on Accutane or not, but if you want to truly document your results in an objective fashion you need to reduce the number of variables going into your success story.
You and the other poster commented that "people like me" bring down threads that try to help people. I disagree. I have seen lots of threads regarding acne, scaring, hair loss, etc that convince people to try things that are expensive and/or (sometimes) risky. I don't think you have ill intentions, but if you really want to help people you should show results that can be objectively compared.