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For those of you with some cash to spare... I have been keeping an eye on a new LED product for acne. It uses 4 different wavelengths but i think it could be really good an convienient to use for what we are doing here...Check it out go on google and search for "lightwave cs", the reason i'm suggesting it is that it is very powerfull and you can treate the entire face in about a minute.... As i always say though make your own judgement do some research into the different wavelengths and mae your own opinoin on it.
Lamarr, thank you for posting this and thinking of all of us on the forum 🙂 ..I cannot speak for others but this is a must buy for me personally and I will be purchasing one ASAP..The light wave cs is brilliant bro!!!
Can you only buy this lightwave cs in the USA or is it sold in UK bc ive search google and i can't found a UK supplier.
This lightwave cs doesn't use a yellow LED,i thought yellow LEDS's were the key to stimulating new collagen growth.
Read this lamarr if you didn't see it the last time i posted it,my apologies if you have.
http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums/vi...f=1&t=22235
Any1 know if you can just buy the lightwave cs bulb from a different supplier bc ive search the net but i can't find this bulb with the same colour LEDs,only with other colours.
Hey lamarr1986,
Been following for awhile, finally just posting. Although dermalgrafting has been the most beneficial treatment i have had thus far, your advice on needling has helped me greatly. Quick question though, i assume u bought a pen device too from the site u mentioned awhile back. Can you let me know which device you used? is it this one? http://www.glucosemeters4u.com/bd-optimus.htm
Ohh one more thing, on ur first post u mentioned u needled ur scar monthly? should i be waiting monthly even though i'm using Light treatment? as of now i'm needling bi-weekly. should i stop in you opinion.
Thx
Okay guys, here are two questions:
1. Do you need a pen device when using the pen needles, or do you use the pen needles without one?
2. I've noticed most of these pen needles are at smallest 4.5 mm in length. If you penetrate your skin deeper than 2.5 mm (I know you are all self needling at an angle as opposed to "jackhammering" your scars, which makes this difficult, but still) aren't you at risk of damaging your skin further?
I'm really thinking about jumping into this now, I just don't want to mess anything up. http://www.americandiabeteswholesale.com/-...5mm,/Detail.bok
I'll be using those needles, if anyone has any better recommendations, please chime in!
I want you ALL to begin using light therapy and dermaroller/needling. You can get yourself a whole "kit" for perhaps 750 dollars and you will get better results than anything else...Here is a pic of my skin now
What i have been doing for the past year is having dermaroller done every 6-8 weeks and and needling individual scars with 4mm diabetic 33guage needles. I use a 1mm stopper to prevent it penetrating th full 4 mm.
I then use terproline twice per day. My dual 660/880nm array from the LED man and my 96 led yellow array from the LED man. 5 mins with the dual array 3 mins with the yellow.
You will need EMLA for doing dermaroller at home, many people don;t realise ho agressive you need to be and waste their time rolling every day or every week. Every month would be the most i would ever consider if you are rolling properly.
Take your vitamin C aswell...
good luck guys, you can beat your scars just think outside the box. It is no coicidence that i have beaten so many skin issues. I try things that most haven't thought of or try it in an inovative way till i get the results i want.
Heres my semi comprehensive guide. I may add more to it later on...
Dermarollers and needles
1.5mm derma roller (2mm for advanced rollers and if you want to take a slight increase in risk of infection or other potential side effects) personally I feel the results from a 2mm roller are better and will be better than a 1.5mm roller for most, but I do believe there is a slight increase in risk of side effects, although this is minimal. I prefer the 3 line or 4 line rollers that you can get; they are easier to apply the right pressure for penetration and to get the correct penetration depth across the whole face.
For the more stubborn and deeper scars I recommend the BD Micro-Fine Pen Needle 31 G x 5mm. I used to recommend using stoppers with these, but if you are careful in not penetrating the full 5mm, making sure you use between 3-4mm and not directly in at 90degrees, but at angles so you dont penetrate to the full depth then you should be fine. Practice this on your arm before hand ( I recommend practicing on the arm for all stages of needling including the topical anesthetic, use of Dermaroller etc.
To clean your rollers firstly dip the roller in 70% isopropyl alcohol for about 10-15 minutes, then dip in Hibicleanse for 5 minutes or so. Using one of the UV-C disinfection devices is also a good idea.
Skin Preparation
EMLA is to be used, under an occlusive dressing for at least 1 hr (Cling film or saran wrap for you Americans). I personally use a small home Dermaroller i.e. 0.2 mm needle length before i apply the EMLA to increase absorption. I think people should try with just the occlusion and EMLA first though, if you can tolerate the pain then dont bother with the smaller roller before hand, this way less EMLA will be entering the blood stream.
For disinfection I use a combination of 70% isopropyl alcohol, and hibicleanse/hibiscrub.. To pre the skin, again a combination of isopropyl 70% wipes, then cleaning with hibiscrub for several minutes and rinse THOROUGHLY, should be sufficient.
I always keep a tube of Bactroban ointment handy for any potential breakouts or infections. The Hibicleanse can also be used as a cleanser for a few days before and after dermaroller/needling to help prevent breakouts. Dont use hibiscrub or alcohol in the first few days post dermaroller or needling though.
Oral supplements
The two supplements I recommend are vitamin C, at least 1000mg daily preferably 2000mg for several (split this into several doses throughout the day) months post dermaroller/needling. Another good supplement is red wine/grape seed extract (iherb have a very good red wine extract by doctors best). A multivitamin cant hurt but for those of you who have taken Accutane I would find a multivitamin WITHOUT vitamin A.
Topicals
Now everyone prefers different topical, people know my preference i.e. terproline. I think it is a very good topical and I will always recommend it till something better comes along. If your skin agrees with retionds you may like these, but I dont recommend starting these at the same time as needling/Dermaroller until you know how your skin reacts. Dont use topical Retinoids if you have taken accutane in the past few years, or until you know how your skin responds to topical Retinoids. Topical Vitamin A the same applies.
Topical vitamin C (ascorbic acid) is another good one which I like. You need a good 15 or 20% solution and it needs to be the right PH. Check up on these things.
Copper peptides I have tried and wasnt a big fan of but they did seem to refine my pores slightly, I havent used long term but again some people really like them.
Keep topical simple, dont use too many of them it will only confuse matters. Dont start topical in the middle of starting needling or dermaroller.
If you are using a topical to keep your acne under control, then you should probably keep using it. I personally recommend light therapy if you have active acne though as it wont irritate the skin like some topical can.
Light therapy
Now this is one of the most important stages. I recommend everyone use light therapy, a combination of yellow (590 nm) red (660nm) and infra red (880nm) is best. You can use each separately or a combination of each. Some people believe using each separately is best. I use the 660/990 together and the yellow separately.
For acne you need the blue frequency at or around 405-420nm. The Beauty skin device is very good for acne.
Every day for the first few weeks or every other day at least. You need to reach the correct level of energy (joules per cm squared) we aim to hit about 6 joules. So you need to keep the distance down to about an inch or so from the skin and use them for approximately 5 minutes per are if you are using the LED mans devices.
You need to read up on each of these topic areas, I cant go into enough detail and there will always be questions or variables which you can generally find the answers to out there, by searching. I love giving advice to people but when the questions are easy to find the answer to and they are repeatedly continuously it get a bit annoying.
Hey guys,
Some of you may remember Bulgarian derm bringing up the point that some people have suffered things such as cardiac arrest from topical anesthetics such as Lidocaine. While these incidents are extremely unlikely, they are a rare possible risk.... I was reading an article earlier and it went along with my consensus that it is the higher concentrations of lidocaine e.g. 10% applied under occlusion that pose the problem.
EMLA does contain 2.5% lidocaine and 2.5% prilocaine. Now because i recommend people use EMLA i want to make a new recommendation for safety. Because we do this at home we don't have the supervision we would have in a hospital, so here is what i recommend we do from now on to minimise the chances even further.
The half life (time for the body to eliminate half of the drug from the body) of lidocaine is aprox 2hrs, prilocane is even shorter. SO as some of you have been doing i recommend you do one section of your face at a time in the same evening, leaving and hour or two in between application of the anesthetics.
E.g. at 5pm apply anesthetic to right cheek, leave under occlusion for an hour then clean and needle/dermaroll. Then at 7pm do the same on the right cheek, then 9pm do the forehead....
This way you will have aprox 1/3-1/2 of the peak plasma concentration you would have if you were to apply it all at once. As you all should know, chances of side effects decrease with a decrease in dose. So i am confident if we all do this we will never have any problems.
I hope you all take the time to read this.
Will i get any results for my scars if i just use alovera gel and LED ligth? . i just got my Divine Beauty stamp kit but am afraid to use it. i still need to find out more about LED ligth because i dont know much about it and where to get it and what to get. i have pics of my scars on my page. Money is not a problem i just want results thank you so much.
Will i get any results for my scars if i just use alovera gel and LED ligth? . i just got my Divine Beauty stamp kit but am afraid to use it. i still need to find out more about LED ligth because i dont know much about it and where to get it and what to get. i have pics of my scars on my page. Money is not a problem i just want results thank you so much.
no...its only in conjunction with for example subcision, dermarolling, fraxel etc..
Will i get any results for my scars if i just use alovera gel and LED ligth? . i just got my Divine Beauty stamp kit but am afraid to use it. i still need to find out more about LED ligth because i dont know much about it and where to get it and what to get. i have pics of my scars on my page. Money is not a problem i just want results thank you so much.no...its only in conjunction with for example subcision, dermarolling, fraxel etc..
...and don't forget needling. All treatments will create some microwounding, which is very important for creation of new collagen.
Topicals alone will never have an effect. Belive me I tried so many things, including massages with pure aloe vera. It's allways the same: The first days you think that you get results with the current treatment (it's an illusion, because you think if you do something you have to get results automatically), but later you recognize that the treatment did not work. After that recognition you are more devastated than before. So trust me if you want results, you have to do invasive treatments (like beauty stamp). If I were you I would start with a 1mm stamp on only one small test area to see how the scars will react. The best is to start with the area, which consists of shallow scars, because they are easier to fix and maybe you will get confidence with the treatment. If you are satisfied with the results you can treat the remaining areas without fear. Don't forget to use the EMLA Cream for numbing and the LED's, as Lamarr advised. I wish you good luck, whatever you decide to do.
i will need EMLA Cream for numbing. i thought the kit has numbing cream already. Where can i get it?. i will do my small scars first and see if i get results. Am using alovera gel after my treatment to improve my healing is that good enough and take vitamin c. i will use LED ligth on my second treatment after i find out a little more about it and where to buy it? excuse my grammar. i thank all you guys comments and thoughts.
i will need EMLA Cream for numbing. i thought the kit has numbing cream already. Where can i get it?. i will do my small scars first and see if i get results. Am using alovera gel after my treatment to improve my healing is that good enough and take vitamin c. i will use LED ligth on my second treatment after i find out a little more about it and where to buy it? excuse my grammar. i thank all you guys comments and thoughts.
Please read the thread, all of your questions has already been discussed. You can get the EMLA Cream from the drugstore .
Okay guys, here are two questions:1. Do you need a pen device when using the pen needles, or do you use the pen needles without one?
2. I've noticed most of these pen needles are at smallest 4.5 mm in length. If you penetrate your skin deeper than 2.5 mm (I know you are all self needling at an angle as opposed to "jackhammering" your scars, which makes this difficult, but still) aren't you at risk of damaging your skin further?
I'm really thinking about jumping into this now, I just don't want to mess anything up. http://www.americandiabeteswholesale.com/-...5mm,/Detail.bok
I'll be using those needles, if anyone has any better recommendations, please chime in!
I also wonder what he is asking...Anyone has answers?
Okay guys, here are two questions:1. Do you need a pen device when using the pen needles, or do you use the pen needles without one?
2. I've noticed most of these pen needles are at smallest 4.5 mm in length. If you penetrate your skin deeper than 2.5 mm (I know you are all self needling at an angle as opposed to "jackhammering" your scars, which makes this difficult, but still) aren't you at risk of damaging your skin further?
I'm really thinking about jumping into this now, I just don't want to mess anything up. http://www.americandiabeteswholesale.com/-...5mm,/Detail.bok
I'll be using those needles, if anyone has any better recommendations, please chime in!
I also wonder what he is asking...Anyone has answers?
By the way, I found the same gauge and length needles on Amazon for a few bucks cheaper:
i will need EMLA Cream for numbing. i thought the kit has numbing cream already. Where can i get it?. i will do my small scars first and see if i get results. Am using alovera gel after my treatment to improve my healing is that good enough and take vitamin c. i will use LED ligth on my second treatment after i find out a little more about it and where to buy it? excuse my grammar. i thank all you guys comments and thoughts.Please read the thread, all of your questions has already been discussed. You can get the EMLA Cream from the drugstore .
Thanks 'changelife' i like it when people post what they have learn't in this thread because it does get a bit tiring having to repeat things alot lol. Keep answering questions in here if you can it is really helpfull!!
I'm working on finding a place to provide full face pannels pretty cheap, currently it looks like you could get a high powered all red led array for about 90 GBP. They are coming own in price all the time, the one array i'm looking at is about 48 watts, to give you an idea all of the red leds on my 750 led array, add up to about 2 watts max!!
i will need EMLA Cream for numbing. i thought the kit has numbing cream already. Where can i get it?. i will do my small scars first and see if i get results. Am using alovera gel after my treatment to improve my healing is that good enough and take vitamin c. i will use LED ligth on my second treatment after i find out a little more about it and where to buy it? excuse my grammar. i thank all you guys comments and thoughts.
lilo24,
read a few of your posts. My opinion, you need to combat this
scarring and choose a plan. To be honest, early this year I was
REALLY depressed about my scarring. I overdid a chemical peel
and left a hugh area that had discoloration. Anyway, I didn't like
going out, hybernated at home, etc.
My passion became improving my skin. I read everything here,
and at essential day spa. I dermarolled with a shorter .5mm.
Then rolled with a 1mm. I use high quality topicals. I began
juicing organic juice.
Anyway, its paid off. My skin is improving (slowly), its about
20% better, and I got my first complement last week from a good
friend.
Instead of sulking, educate yourself and take action. I can't tell
to dermaroll, or diving beauty or the route to take. I don't know
enough. I really believe you can dramatically improve your skin.
Imagine the small discolorations you have (reddish) in an area
thats a couple inches square (that was my skin 6 months ago).
Also don't act without careful consideration. Act just to do something.
I did that with a chemical peel. Do something knowlegably.
Consider your face with the same passion you have for basketball.
By the way, I really, really, hate needles. But I have to dermaroll
to improve, that's what I did. If I can do it, you can figure out
something too.
lamar epic post. would just point out a few things though.. i tryed needling some time ago now, and really you have to be if anything comfortable with doing it, if your not going deep enough you wont make any progress, i kinda got to the situation where i think i wasnt going deep enough, im planning on getting it professionally done in the future to save the messing around. i wish anyone who trys it good luck!.
i will need EMLA Cream for numbing. i thought the kit has numbing cream already. Where can i get it?. i will do my small scars first and see if i get results. Am using alovera gel after my treatment to improve my healing is that good enough and take vitamin c. i will use LED ligth on my second treatment after i find out a little more about it and where to buy it? excuse my grammar. i thank all you guys comments and thoughts.Please read the thread, all of your questions has already been discussed. You can get the EMLA Cream from the drugstore .
Thanks 'changelife' i like it when people post what they have learn't in this thread because it does get a bit tiring having to repeat things alot lol. Keep answering questions in here if you can it is really helpfull!!
I'm working on finding a place to provide full face pannels pretty cheap, currently it looks like you could get a high powered all red led array for about 90 GBP. They are coming own in price all the time, the one array i'm looking at is about 48 watts, to give you an idea all of the red leds on my 750 led array, add up to about 2 watts max!!
Lamarr, if you could please keep us posted. I am looking to upgrade to a better led. I have not found any deals as good as that yet in my searches. Thanks.
Okay guys, here are two questions:1. Do you need a pen device when using the pen needles, or do you use the pen needles without one?
2. I've noticed most of these pen needles are at smallest 4.5 mm in length. If you penetrate your skin deeper than 2.5 mm (I know you are all self needling at an angle as opposed to "jackhammering" your scars, which makes this difficult, but still) aren't you at risk of damaging your skin further?
I'm really thinking about jumping into this now, I just don't want to mess anything up. http://www.americandiabeteswholesale.com/-...5mm,/Detail.bok
I'll be using those needles, if anyone has any better recommendations, please chime in!
Bump...
Okay guys, here are two questions:1. Do you need a pen device when using the pen needles, or do you use the pen needles without one?
2. I've noticed most of these pen needles are at smallest 4.5 mm in length. If you penetrate your skin deeper than 2.5 mm (I know you are all self needling at an angle as opposed to "jackhammering" your scars, which makes this difficult, but still) aren't you at risk of damaging your skin further?
I'm really thinking about jumping into this now, I just don't want to mess anything up. http://www.americandiabeteswholesale.com/-...5mm,/Detail.bok
I'll be using those needles, if anyone has any better recommendations, please chime in!
Bump...
I'll answer from my personal experience..
1) I bought a pen device thinking that it'd give me more leverage and control. However I just found it to be a nuisance because the pen device is pretty long, and kind of gets in the way, especially when you're trying to stretch out your skin with your other hand.
2) Perhaps another member can help you here..
I was also going to get the sure comfort needles as they were a ton cheaper. I ended up just buying the BD needles. I'll tell you right now, just buy the cheaper ones.. Either my scar tissue was insanely hard to puncture, or the BD needles wore out pretty fast. I was changing needles almost every scar.
Hey Lamarr, or anyone who might know the answer to my question,
What are the potential dangers to LED light therapy, if any? I know on the directions that usually accompany the LEDs instruct you to never leave it on an area for more than 10 minutes or so...and especially never to fall asleep with it. Any feedback is appreciated, thanks.
Pete... i have never heard of any side effects from LED therapy OTHER than when long wavelengths are directed towards the thyroid gland in the neck. Lasers are another matter and for instance i have read of people using laser combs (designed for hairloss) on their face, and actually causing facial fatloss in the areas they have exposed. I believe this is due to over exposure resulting in bioinhibition. I have however never seen this result from LEDs and i believe this is because the light is non coherant and more like sunlight (although still much different in many ways). Therefore i don't believe bioinhibition is really possible with LEDs.
I originally began research light therapy on a rosacea forum, many of them over there INTENTIONALLY fall asleep under their arrays for hours on end. None of them have reported any negative side effects from this.
Light therapy has been around a long time so safety is pretty well proven...
Hello,your scar tissue will be hard but needles for self-needling do go blunt after a few prick,change the needles after about 10 pricks.
I agree with sam on this, i always like to keep mine so they there is little resistance as possible. There will obviously be more resistance in scar tissue than normal tissue though...
Pete... i have never heard of any side effects from LED therapy OTHER than when long wavelengths are directed towards the thyroid gland in the neck.I originally began research light therapy on a rosacea forum, many of them over there INTENTIONALLY fall asleep under their arrays for hours on end. None of them have reported any negative side effects from this.
Light therapy has been around a long time so safety is pretty well proven...
Did it end up helping their rosacea at all?