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cant forget individual needling, thats a big part of what he has discussed. I have not achieved the results lamarr has. But he also has been at this much longer then me among other things that factor in like different scarring ect..I have made improvements on some scars and area's of skin while other scars and area of skin have not responded well. Its an ongoing process and I just need to keep it at.
Thanks for your response. I will also try lamarrs protocol in the future, but I still get some breakouts and I'm 28 - damn.
To Lamarr: I have red the whole thread, but there are not many results documented. Might it be that the red/infrared LED's can aggreviate acne lessions (? Because I tested the Needling+LED on one scar and I got pimples on areas, where I placed LED device.
There are about 5 or so people that i'm aware of that are getting results from this protocal when they had no results from other treatments, plenty of other people are also getting results. I read pretty much every thread on here so am more aware of them, try searching for all the dermarolling log threads. I am not good with names so i can't remember them.
And it can seem to invoke a small outbreak after you have needled, i sometimes get the odd pimple after a dermaroller session aswell. Most likely due to all the inflammation. Do you know about blue light therapy? works very well on acne and should control any outbreaks you have left.
Hope this helps
cant forget individual needling, thats a big part of what he has discussed. I have not achieved the results lamarr has. But he also has been at this much longer then me among other things that factor in like different scarring ect..I have made improvements on some scars and area's of skin while other scars and area of skin have not responded well. Its an ongoing process and I just need to keep it at.
Thanks for your response. I will also try lamarrs protocol in the future, but I still get some breakouts and I'm 28 - damn.
To Lamarr: I have red the whole thread, but there are not many results documented. Might it be that the red/infrared LED's can aggreviate acne lessions (? Because I tested the Needling+LED on one scar and I got pimples on areas, where I placed LED device.
There are about 5 or so people that i'm aware of that are getting results from this protocal when they had no results from other treatments, plenty of other people are also getting results. I read pretty much every thread on here so am more aware of them, try searching for all the dermarolling log threads. I am not good with names so i can't remember them.
And it can seem to invoke a small outbreak after you have needled, i sometimes get the odd pimple after a dermaroller session aswell. Most likely due to all the inflammation. Do you know about blue light therapy? works very well on acne and should control any outbreaks you have left.
Hope this helps
Hey Lamarr,
thanks you very much for your fast response. You are very friendly and helpfull, I really appreciate
that.
When I said that I got an outbreak, I did not mean that the cause of this were the needles, because the acne appeared on unneedled, but LED treated areas. But maybe it was just a coincidence. Did you get further results?
Personally I think i will shave the evening before rolling so as not to aggravate my skin beforehand.Would you apply moisturise the night of rolling? Like a few hours afterwards or say an hour or so?
Thanks!
If your beard doesn't grow fast that's cool.
I only use the moisturizer if I need it. The night i roll my skin is raw, I don;t moisturize then. I find that by the next evening as my skin heals it dries out a bit. That's when I apply the moisturizer.
I understand you are nervous and being cautious, but you might be overthinking this.
The most important things to do are to make sure the needles aren't kinked, your skin is clean and the roller is clean. Use common sense and don't be lazy or a slob.
I want to ask, if anybody of you except Lamarr got good results with dermaroller+LED's. Thanks for response.
I haven't been rolling long but based on my previous experience with lasers I think it might have some effectiveness. How much effectiveness I don't know. I doubt it will cure your scars especially if they are deep. But some improvement is better than no improvement.
I had Fraxel Restore (not Repair) and my skin is responding in a similar way to rolling.
At worst I don't think I'm harming my skin. The downtime is annoying though. I don't mind any physical pain.
I will keep at it for a while. I don't think I will be able to roll as agressively as I want as often as I want bc of the neccessary recovery time.
Hey lamer,
I read in another thread that you recommend Fallene Total Block the first few weeks post-dermarolling. But can the sunscreen I brought which contain zinc oxide be sufficient enough for me to go outside 3 days after dermarolling or do I need that strong sunscreen above?
I want to ask, if anybody of you except Lamarr got good results with dermaroller+LED's. Thanks for response.I haven't been rolling long but based on my previous experience with lasers I think it might have some effectiveness. How much effectiveness I don't know. I doubt it will cure your scars especially if they are deep. But some improvement is better than no improvement.
I had Fraxel Restore (not Repair) and my skin is responding in a similar way to rolling.
At worst I don't think I'm harming my skin. The downtime is annoying though. I don't mind any physical pain.
I will keep at it for a while. I don't think I will be able to roll as agressively as I want as often as I want bc of the neccessary recovery time.
Cheers dude, appreciated!
hey lamarr, it seems the U.S. people were having a bit trouble finding the BD micro-fine pen needles.
I found them, however they are $45.
After doing some searching, I was able to find another brand with the same specifications, for $17.
http://www.americandiabeteswholesale.com/-...m%2C/Detail.bok
Would these be ok?
ahhh, im so confused when it comes to these led's, i know people have been getting the 660/880, which is infrared and 590 which is yellow am i correct?
i must be dumb as hell not to understand this LED business, then i see other people getting a combo of all three... when i email the LED man is that what i ask him for? a combo of the 660/880 and 590 LED array?
i dont want to order the wrong thing, any help is appreciated
hey lamarr, it seems the U.S. people were having a bit trouble finding the BD micro-fine pen needles.I found them, however they are $45.
After doing some searching, I was able to find another brand with the same specifications, for $17.
http://www.americandiabeteswholesale.com/-...m%2C/Detail.bok
Would these be ok?
They look fine bro....
ahhh, im so confused when it comes to these led's, i know people have been getting the 660/880, which is infrared and 590 which is yellow am i correct?i must be dumb as hell not to understand this LED business, then i see other people getting a combo of all three... when i email the LED man is that what i ask him for? a combo of the 660/880 and 590 LED array?
i dont want to order the wrong thing, any help is appreciated
You got it right bro, the most affordible solution is to get the Smaller red/infra red combo and the small yellow array seperately. Some people have got larger arrays which combine them both, go with the cheaper option first, when you see results you may decide to go for the bigger arrays!!
Hope this helps.
the most affordible solution is to get the Smaller red/infra red combo and the small yellow array seperately. Some people have got larger arrays which combine them both, go with the cheaper option first, when you see results you may decide to go for the bigger arrays!!Hope this helps.
I might be somehow misinterpreting what you're saying...but are you saying it's cheaper to get the yellow LEDS separately from the red/infrared combo? As far as I know you're paying DOUBLE if you get them separately. I ordered mine as a 3-in-1 combo with red/infrared/yellow from the LEDman and saved myself from paying extra. I'm sorry if I'm misconstruing what you're saying but from what I read it sounds like you are wrong Lamarr...no offense.
Sam there is that point aswell... but i was assuming the poster meant the 700 led mixed arrays, which cost over 500 dollars....( a mix of red yellow and infra red) The led man has made a few of those for people so i thought he mean't those. So you can see how two seperate 120 (or 96 i can't remember how many diodes they have ne more) would be cheaper than the 500 dollar+ 500 led array....
Sam there is that point aswell... but i was assuming the poster meant the 700 led mixed arrays, which cost over 500 dollars....( a mix of red yellow and infra red) The led man has made a few of those for people so i thought he mean't those. So you can see how two seperate 120 (or 96 i can't remember how many diodes they have ne more) would be cheaper than the 500 dollar+ 500 led array....
Hey Lamarr, I'm about to do my 4th LED/roll session next week. Do you have any more words of wisdom I might be able to use? Just curious...thanks.
Well your probably getting pretty good at things now...
Heres what i would ensure though....
Hit scars from all angles when needling, go agressively but at the same time carefull, go deep but go slowly... blood is your friend.
Do the odd mega session with the LED's e.g. once every two weeks use them for double the amount of time you normally do.
oral vitamin C, red wine extract (grape seed is also good). Plenty of rest, fresh fruite smoothies made at home will also help. If you can get to the gym and do both resistance and cardio (they help quite alot with wound healing) you get growth factors released aswell as other hormones whcih are beneficial to collagen production and wound healing...
Hope this helps!!
Well your probably getting pretty good at things now...Heres what i would ensure though....
Hit scars from all angles when needling, go agressively but at the same time carefull, go deep but go slowly... blood is your friend.
Do the odd mega session with the LED's e.g. once every two weeks use them for double the amount of time you normally do.
oral vitamin C, red wine extract (grape seed is also good). Plenty of rest, fresh fruite smoothies made at home will also help. If you can get to the gym and do both resistance and cardio (they help quite alot with wound healing) you get growth factors released aswell as other hormones whcih are beneficial to collagen production and wound healing...
Hope this helps!!
Great advice lamarr! I completely agree with everything you said.
Do the odd mega session with the LED's e.g. once every two weeks use them for double the amount of time you normally do.
I've been meaning to ask you about this before. To clarify, are you saying to do this method with 10 minutes of red/infrared, and 10 minutes of yellow on each side of your face for a total of 40 minutes? The one time I did this I ended up doing 15 minutes of red/infrared and 5 minutes with yellow on each side.
Remember that if you are using the smaller units, you need to used them on each area e.g. the area the leds cover for 5 minutes. To cover your entire cheeks (with the leds touch or just off of the sskin) you probably need to move them twice or even three times, so your gonna need 10-15 mins per cheek normally with the smaller units.
WHen i say megga dose yeah double this every few weeks. The logic behind this is that the light at the surface will achieve say 8 joules and this may be getting into the area of bioinhibition (if that is even possible with LEDS). BUT at 1cm under the skin for instance the joules are MUCH MUCh lower than this. Occasionally i think it is good to deliver higher energy to deeper tissues, which is why i think its a good idea.
Lamar, I just wanted to say that I think its really great that you are helping other people with your own experience.
Can you tell me what you think about my 'procedure'?
I get a subscision every month done where my scars are being needled with a needle to loosen the scar tissue underneath the skin. After this procedure my scar tissue gets massaged. Then I use the infrared light but i am using a really cheap one this one: 
Ow and i keep reading about needling and rolling i assume both are done with the dermaroller?
That light source is to broad spectrum. We use LED's because they are narrow band (more of the light is within the optimal window for biostimulation). Those infra red lights won't do anywhere near as good of a job as lasers or LED's, because the bulbs emit a very broad specturm of light!!
Needling is different from dermaroller, you should try and read this full thread you will get a much better idea of things!!
Remember that if you are using the smaller units, you need to used them on each area e.g. the area the leds cover for 5 minutes. To cover your entire cheeks (with the leds touch or just off of the sskin) you probably need to move them twice or even three times, so your gonna need 10-15 mins per cheek normally with the smaller units.WHen i say megga dose yeah double this every few weeks. The logic behind this is that the light at the surface will achieve say 8 joules and this may be getting into the area of bioinhibition (if that is even possible with LEDS). BUT at 1cm under the skin for instance the joules are MUCH MUCh lower than this. Occasionally i think it is good to deliver higher energy to deeper tissues, which is why i think its a good idea.
Thanks man, I really appreciate your full feedback. You're an awesome dude.
For those of you with some cash to spare... I have been keeping an eye on a new LED product for acne. It uses 4 different wavelengths but i think it could be really good an convienient to use for what we are doing here...
Check it out go on google and search for "lightwave cs", the reason i'm suggesting it is that it is very powerfull and you can treate the entire face in about a minute.... As i always say though make your own judgement do some research into the different wavelengths and mae your own opinoin on it.