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Sometimes yes sometimes no. The thing with light therapy and rosacea (well infact any inflammatory condition) is that there are always a number of inflammatory cytokines involved and light therapy only regulates certain ones depending on the wavelength. So for some it will down regulate the correct cytokines while for others it will have no effect.
Don't get this confused with scar revision though, this is a totally different ballgame and i believe everyone will benefit during their scar revision process, so long as they use the correct wavelengths and joules per cm2.
Sometimes yes sometimes no. The thing with light therapy and rosacea (well infact any inflammatory condition) is that there are always a number of inflammatory cytokines involved and light therapy only regulates certain ones depending on the wavelength. So for some it will down regulate the correct cytokines while for others it will have no effect.Don't get this confused with scar revision though, this is a totally different ballgame and i believe everyone will benefit during their scar revision process, so long as they use the correct wavelengths and joules per cm2.
Thanks for your insight Lamarr, I appreciate it. I've been thinking of including an at-home dermabrasion session combined with my needling/LED session. I'd like to know what you think of that idea. Any thoughts? Thanks again man.
I have a question for you lamarr...Did you have any needling performed before your two dermaroller sessions with dr chu? Because I believe needling is far more superior to dermarolling...And suspect most of your scar improvement has comed from needling.
Btw Im going to buy these needles:
http://www.glucosemeters4u.com/bd-pen-needle-short5mm31G.htm
..are they correct?
Sometimes yes sometimes no. The thing with light therapy and rosacea (well infact any inflammatory condition) is that there are always a number of inflammatory cytokines involved and light therapy only regulates certain ones depending on the wavelength. So for some it will down regulate the correct cytokines while for others it will have no effect.Don't get this confused with scar revision though, this is a totally different ballgame and i believe everyone will benefit during their scar revision process, so long as they use the correct wavelengths and joules per cm2.
Thanks for your insight Lamarr, I appreciate it. I've been thinking of including an at-home dermabrasion session combined with my needling/LED session. I'd like to know what you think of that idea. Any thoughts? Thanks again man.
At home dermabrasion isn't possible, unless you mean microdermabrasion? I haven't had either of these but microderm isn't thought to do anything for hypertrophic scarring.... So i personally wouldn't bother. Get yourself a microfibre cloth if you want the same results as microderm.
I have a question for you lamarr...Did you have any needling performed before your two dermaroller sessions with dr chu? Because I believe needling is far more superior to dermarolling...And suspect most of your scar improvement has comed from needling.Btw Im going to buy these needles:
http://www.glucosemeters4u.com/bd-pen-needle-short5mm31G.htm
..are they correct?
No i hadn't and i agree needling is more effective for boxcar/icepicks and other more fibros scarring i.e. chicken pox.
But i do feel that the skin tightening which you get from dermaroller can help people, especially if they have rolling scars etc.
and yes they are the ones!!
i have a quick question lamaar,
do you think the blue LED lights that the LED man sells are good for keeping acne under control? i just did my first session with the divine beauty stamp saturday morning but had no option but to return to work today, luckily i had the fallene total block. I just cant put it on every 4 hours because im always outside. Wat are the effects of getting sun exposure after a procedure such as this? hyperpigmentation? or will it reduce the benefits one could see from the procedure? Any help is greatly appreciated
Hi,
My first post, so, hello!
Firstly, thanks to Lamarr and everyone who's contributed to this thread - it's been very helpful thank you. I have a few questions, I'm really sorry if they've been answered already!
- Has anyone used this method on white scars? If so, with what result? I have LOTS of small flat white scars on my shoulders back and chest.
- Is Terproline also useful with white scars? Or mainly with other types of scarring?
- If I don't have acne, only scarring, do I need all the different colours of LEDS?
Btw, I have a dermaroller, which I have used a few times with no noticeable effect. I've now bought a 2.0mm one to try. I've had several scars dry tattooed, and am waiting to see the result. And I've self-needled two scars twice now. I believe there was improvement after one needling, and I did the second 3 days ago.
I've tried CPs before, with no effect I could see, and a lot of skin irritation. They may have worked if I could have kept it up, but they burnt like crazy.
I'm considering terproline, and led therapy. I was considering this:
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Which I'm sure wouldn't be as good as the led's Lamarr has, but cash is tight at present.
Any help/advice/input would be grateful appreciated.
Thanks, koogie
koogie said:Hi,My first post, so, hello!
Firstly, thanks to Lamarr and everyone who's contributed to this thread - it's been very helpful thank you. I have a few questions, I'm really sorry if they've been answered already!
- Has anyone used this method on white scars? If so, with what result? I have LOTS of small flat white scars on my shoulders back and chest.
- Is Terproline also useful with white scars? Or mainly with other types of scarring?
- If I don't have acne, only scarring, do I need all the different colours of LEDS?
Btw, I have a dermaroller, which I have used a few times with no noticeable effect. I've now bought a 2.0mm one to try. I've had several scars dry tattooed, and am waiting to see the result. And I've self-needled two scars twice now. I believe there was improvement after one needling, and I did the second 3 days ago.
I've tried CPs before, with no effect I could see, and a lot of skin irritation. They may have worked if I could have kept it up, but they burnt like crazy.
I'm considering terproline, and led therapy. I was considering this:
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Which I'm sure wouldn't be as good as the led's Lamarr has, but cash is tight at present.
Any help/advice/input would be grateful appreciated.
Thanks, koogie
I have had some white scars that have improved drasticly from rolling ect..But not on my body but my face. But none the less they have improved.. Don't expect over night results, it can take a year or 2 to achieve the results you want. But the good news is you will achieve the results if you follow the treatment 100% and never quit..
I have not used terproline so I cannot answer your question in regards to it..But I would think it would be very helpfull if combined with rolling/needling and led's..I am going to purchase terproline to use over the winter.
If you don't have acne you don't need the blue led.
If you have used a 1.5mm derma roller with no noticeable results you just have to be patient. This is a long slow process and you "must" be patient from beginning to end. "the people who achieve results are the people who never quit or give up"..Use the individual needles lamarr suggests. Also look for a post about tattoo needles from forum member "PLUMPY" He stumbled on to some effective needles also that can help. And follow the directions lamarr posted.
Good luck.:)
Sign said:Hey, where do you guys buy the needles if you live in the US? I can't seem to find any ones shorter than 12mm.
I get mine from americandiabeteswholesale
Anyone here selling a used 660/880nm LED? They're pretty expensive
http://www.light-therapy-led.com/products.htm
Scroll down, the bulbs aren't very expensive... But, they're small, only the size of a little hand held light.
I got the two fer deal on red bulbs. But, do a search, you might find better elsewhere.
Good luck!
Search ebay for grow lights and you will get some of these LED lights cheaper.
Here is an LED light
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MEDIUM-RED-LED-Grow-...id=p3286.c0.m14
hey all -
okay lamarr, i have some questions for you (one being why dont you do this professionally? haha)
-i'm getting into the dermarolling/needling, i've yet to purchase my needles / terproline / LEDs yet. i wanted your insight on a couple of things.
first, i've got what i guess are some rolling scars or maybe just texture problems, mostly on my right cheek - only appears when i smile, on my smile line - if i can manage a pic i'll get one posted in this thread. did you have rolling scars when you began this process? did the dermarolling improve the overall TEXTURE of your skin or just the scarring? -- my skin looks the worst in harsh flourescent or indirect sun...
i'm also interested in TCA cross, think its a good idea to do it before the rolling, or between or after? not at all? should i maybe just stay away from the acids althogether while i'm doing the needling process? -- definitely dont want to risk any infections..... but it seems like i have a lot of clogged pores and small (very small) pimples, i was thinking the dermarolling / needling might not be a good idea until the pores and acne are gone? what do you think?
just for backgrounds' sake i've tried a lot of shite already; i've had about 3 micros (titanium crystals), 2 home phenol peels (probably a bad idea but they helped quite a bit) and a laser genesis session. my skin looks "good" compared to where it was, but, i think i can get it pretty darn near close to flawless.
which is another question i have, what do you think of your skin now? is it still pretty flawed close up? looks good on camera from what i've seen. mine looks great from about 5 ft away but when you get to "kissing distance" looks pretty bad still.
anyway, thanks for the persistence - hope my ?'s arent too nitpicky but, you know how it is.
Hey does the infrared light damage the thyroid gland? when i use it on my cheeks, part of the light shines on my neck so I'm wondering if this is dangerous or not. also how long should i use it on my cheeks? im an oriental asian and i believe my skin tone is around 4 on the Fitzgerald scale.
Are there any more photos of Lamar other than the ones on the first page? Because the person in the second picture is not the person in the first one. How did anyone miss this?
I disagree. I have looked at both pics and I see the same person. And obviously other then you so does everybody else.
This is the reason i haven't been visiting this board much anymore...there are always people doubting you.... even when your just trying to help. I appologise to those of you i haven't responded to via Pm's. I will try and muster up the motivation some time soon.
Lamarr, the doubters only motivate me that much more..Let them doubt all they want. I have zero doubts. The progress I have made and will continue to make I owe to you. I am beyond greatfull for your help..:)
Hey all rollers, I've been researching quite a bit about rolling in regards to hypertrophic scarring. But, there really isn't one consistent view on whether needling actually improves this type of scarring.
What I have is not of the keloid type, and is concentrated on parts of my chin. They are raised, but when I scrunch my face in certain ways, there almost appears to be indeed some collagen loss within these raised scars, as well as the residing tissue but it's hard to describe. Assuming that dermarolling would help my situation, would you guys recommend the 1.5 needle length in the same fashion as with depressed scarring, or would 1mm length work?
I ask because I have some depressed scars on my forehead and am considering the 1mm for that part of my face, but if I need to buy the two different lengths, I may do so.
Any thoughts?
