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I have commented on that link before.... My feeling is this....YES i believe that there must be negative reactions to topical anesthetics, bulgarian derm is a very reputible guy and brought this to light.
Now what you need to remember is this....Some of these topical anesthetics use high amounts of for example lidocane up to 10%. Emla uses a combo of two topical anesthetics, but at very low concentrations (2.5% each). This gives them a synergetic effect and also seems to avoid most of the side effects. I haven't seen any of these reports directly related to EMLA.
Dr Chu uses this on dozens of patients every day, large quantities, over large areas. He has had no issues with this, thus far.
Lamarr,How much improvement have you seen so far?
80-90% in most of my scarring, some scars are completely gone. To look at me in nearly all lighting you would be hard pushed to see any scarring.
My best achievement was a relatively deep saucer shaped scar. It wasn't large in terms of diameter. But the depth was quite deep. It is nearly completely flush with the surrounding skin now.
Lamarr,How much improvement have you seen so far?
80-90% in most of my scarring, some scars are completely gone. To look at me in nearly all lighting you would be hard pushed to see any scarring.
My best achievement was a relatively deep saucer shaped scar. It wasn't large in terms of diameter. But the depth was quite deep. It is nearly completely flush with the surrounding skin now.
That's great to hear, I'm happy for you and you give hope to many others (myself included) out there. I have mild scarring on the right side of my face I'm battling out with a dermaroller. I'll be posting weekly photos on this board to keep everyone updated on the progress. I do believe I've seen a small improvement just over the course of nearly 3 weeks. The icepick scarring doesn't seem as deep and the saucer scar seems less noticeable than it once was. Before starting rolling I could clearly see it when looking in the mirror, now however not so much.
80-90% in most of my scarring, some scars are completely gone.My best achievement was a relatively deep saucer shaped scar. It wasn't large in terms of diameter. But the depth was quite deep. It is nearly completely flush with the surrounding skin now.
i never tire of reading about the improvement. hadn't realized depth had been an issue for you though.
am still doing led's daily after having had a dermabrasion/chem peel in december and will hopefully have subcision soon. will be interested to see if it heals differently than those without the led use. at any rate, the lights seem to be helping with breakouts. paired with daily facial massage, my skin has certainly become thicker, more taut. am looking forward to seeing improvement in scarring eventually.
Lamarr,
Do you think this will work on a scar on the body from stitches? I want to try your technique or acell. Can you tell me exactly what your technique is and what I have to buy? I think I have to get led light. Which one did you get? Also terpoline. Where do i get that? and the roller. How long should the needles be? I think I can buy on ebay. Also where do I get the emla numbing cream? thanks
Kim everything you need to know can be found with the search engine and most things are within this thread.
It is very hard for me to say which one between the 590nm (yellow) and 660/880 led array. I know that i got pretty decent results with the 660/880 by itself. But i can't say what kind of results i would of got with just the yellow.
I would say go for the 660/880 if you can only get one.
Lamarr,How much improvement have you seen so far?
80-90% in most of my scarring, some scars are completely gone. To look at me in nearly all lighting you would be hard pushed to see any scarring.
My best achievement was a relatively deep saucer shaped scar. It wasn't large in terms of diameter. But the depth was quite deep. It is nearly completely flush with the surrounding skin now.
That's amazing. How many times have you rolled it in total? Im glad it worked for you. I may look into this.
I think some studies on needle diameter would be good. I know that the thinner the diameter of the needle, the less chance of a negative outcome. But i often think to myself.... Would a larger needle diameter actually increase collagen production? My thought is yes, but there has to be a point where the risk is to high in terms of aditional scarring being created.
The needles used for tattoo can be perfect, if you tell them exactly what you want. You should contact frank from transitions.
i have one question for lamarr and you guys: when you use the roller, does the needles actually fully penetrate the skin? when i use the roller, only 1/4 of the needle penetate my skin eventhough i press down quite hard. does it have any thing to do with how fast you roll? i have to roll 7-10 time to see the blood come out. Lamarr, can u tell me how do you roll it? i just want to make sure i roll it the right way. thanks
Whew....after sitting down and reading through this entire thread, I must say that my hopes are renewed, but my eyes are worked! Although I'm cautious, still I have hope again. I'm going to try this method, and can only hope for the best for all of us here. But one thing, I didn't see anyone mention using the prototypical 'Verilux' machine. Is this avoided for a reason, or did I pass over some info?
i have one question for lamarr and you guys: when you use the roller, does the needles actually fully penetrate the skin? when i use the roller, only 1/4 of the needle penetate my skin eventhough i press down quite hard. does it have any thing to do with how fast you roll? i have to roll 7-10 time to see the blood come out. Lamarr, can u tell me how do you roll it? i just want to make sure i roll it the right way. thanks
Yeah the needles need to penetrate all the way, people underestimate the pressure reuired for dermarolling. This is why i recommend the dr 4 line roller. I think you need less pressure for these needles to penetrate. It is pretty simply physics when you think about it.
You just need to add more pressure by the sounds of it, pull the skin taught aswell!!
Whew....after sitting down and reading through this entire thread, I must say that my hopes are renewed, but my eyes are worked! Although I'm cautious, still I have hope again. I'm going to try this method, and can only hope for the best for all of us here. But one thing, I didn't see anyone mention using the prototypical 'Verilux' machine. Is this avoided for a reason, or did I pass over some info?
Do you mean the verilux machine used for acne? The reason why it isn't used much by people over this side of the forum, is that it only has one benefical wavelength for what we need. 660nm (RED) 880(infra red/ Near infra red) and 590nm (yellow). Are the most benefical wavelengths for us.
Again i don't want to seem as if i am pushing the sale of the LED mans products. But he is now making an LED array, consisting of 500 ish diodes, that has all three of these LEDs combined in the one unit. They are also all switchable, seems Ideal for us.
Will the LED's make me get darker/tanner? Cause im light brown skinned and i dont really want to get any tanner.
No, if anything it should make you paler!!
hihi,
I'm a new owner of the dual 660/880 unit.
This unit comes with 2 switches- red & infra. My question is-
1) Does infra light emit at the same time when I switch to red function? coz, I know it consis of both bulbs.
2) when you say 5 mins on each side, do I use the red for 5mins then infra 5mins on each side?
Thanks for clarifying 
I personally use both wavelengths switched on at the same time. I then use the array over each area for 5 minutes. That may mean that with your unit you will need to treat the whole cheek and nose area for say 15 minutes.
I have a 700 LED aray so i can do a treatment in 5 minutes flat for my entire face....
If you have the red LEDs only switched on, then obviously there will be not infra red emited. Same goes if you switch only the infra red on....
Some people think using the different wavelengths seperately works better. I don't know but i have had good results regardless and i don't want to have to double my times.
Lamarr, I think it's wonderful that you are sticking around to help people here. I think a lot of people leave after they get their scar treatment figured out. You must be a very kind and lovely person. 
I've spent a long time thinking about needling, but for now I've decided to get a second laser treatment just because I'm getting a huge discount on it. I'm using a topical Retinol (Vitamin A) cream now, so I'll be interested to see if that makes a difference since I wasn't using any cream before my previous laser. I've been using it for two nights now, and my skin looked amazing when I woke up this morning! I don't know if it's swelling or what, but I sure wish I'd started using it sooner!
