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MIRA hasn't felt the need to reply so I'm somewhat reluctant to call them on the phone. Uhm, I might call the hospital from Amsterdam and ask them what they think of decorin at 200nm, though. It'd be interesting to hear what they say in the case that they have the knowledge needed to give a proper answer.
i believe the reason some people don't reply to certain things is because they simply do not know the answer. they don't know how to answer your question so they either ignore it or find a way around it.
i believe the reason some people don't reply to certain things is because they simply do not know the answer. they don't know how to answer your question so they either ignore it or find a way around it.
Well it seems strange to me the idea that the people who work at MIRA in Twente don't know what they're working on. So they just didn't want to tell me anything about it, it seems to me.
I can understand them not knowing when their treatment(s) will be available, though.
i believe the reason some people don't reply to certain things is because they simply do not know the answer. they don't know how to answer your question so they either ignore it or find a way around it.
Well it seems strange to me the idea that the people who work at MIRA in Twente don't know what they're working on. So they just didn't want to tell me anything about it, it seems to me.
I can understand them not knowing when their treatment(s) will be available, though.
as you know there are a million different ways you can approach scarless healing. no one knows everything about every different possible method. if you ask them a question about decorin and they have never studied/used decorin before then they wont be able to answer your question. that's not to say that they don't know anything about scarless healing, they just dont know a lot about that one particular method.
i didn't think the people at MIRA were using decorin. if they are then they should be able to answer the question. if not then they probably don't know enough about it to answer the question, hence them not replying. or maybe they are just busy i don't know.
Thanks for all the information and research. It's encouraging to know companies are aiming at actual scar reduction even if the initial products are marginal. Though Renovo's Juvista is probably pretty limited, the combination of their future products may collectively make it more worthwhile. I wonder what the estimated costs will be and the complexity of procedures for acne scar treatment with Juvista. Also improvement may be above 30% (if one gets that result with Juvista) when combined with laser/dermabrasion, since those are already used to improve scarring.
Lily, why u're not working? Just wondering. Anyway seems like you're new here. Nobody knows how near/far we have to something that works 100% though. It is said we do have the method to do so already, but it might be obscured.
Anyway, you're impantient with acne scar treatments. And honestly I can tell you most of them don't really work. I've been through it all. Just see my date joined, back in 07. Lasers,peels,needling. You name it, I tried it. I can safely say I see at most (being a very generous) 20% improvement in my scars. Still, there is no way of verifying whether that improvement was through the treatments or the scar improving itself over time..
There's really nothing much we can do though, I just learn to live through my depression..
Simply because I haven't found a job.
Your post is depressing.
as you know there are a million different ways you can approach scarless healing. no one knows everything about every different possible method. if you ask them a question about decorin and they have never studied/used decorin before then they wont be able to answer your question. that's not to say that they don't know anything about scarless healing, they just dont know a lot about that one particular method.
i didn't think the people at MIRA were using decorin. if they are then they should be able to answer the question. if not then they probably don't know enough about it to answer the question, hence them not replying. or maybe they are just busy i don't know.
But I didn't ask them about decorin... 
They stated that they were doing research which would end up in treatments that would regenerate damaged skin. So I just asked them about that. I don't see the harm in that...? Anyway, I'm not going to call MIRA on the phone as they already responded to my question with silence.
I think you slightly misread my post, pepo. I don't get upset when people don't reply. I completely understand that people are probably very busy and that they just might not have the answers. I'm not as foolish as to never think about those possibilities.
But I didn't ask them about decorin...
I think you slightly misread my post, pepo. I don't get upset when people don't reply. I completely understand that people are probably very busy and that they just might not have the answers. I'm not as foolish as to never think about those possibilities.
my mistake. all this talk of decorin must be getting me confused. i didnt think you were upset that they didnt reply i just thought id relay what i usually find when i have spoken to/emailed doctors before. also there is no harm in asking at all, i never said there was. if you dont ask you dont get.
anyway keep up the good work i look forward to your updates.
Thanks for all the information and research. It's encouraging to know companies are aiming at actual scar reduction even if the initial products are marginal. Though Renovo's Juvista is probably pretty limited, the combination of their future products may collectively make it more worthwhile. I wonder what the estimated costs will be and the complexity of procedures for acne scar treatment with Juvista. Also improvement may be above 30% (if one gets that result with Juvista) when combined with laser/dermabrasion, since those are already used to improve scarring.
Hi OceanScout. I like your nickname!
I've read that the costs of Juvista will be the same as when you get botox. So if I remember correctly it's $100 per injection.
my mistake. all this talk of decorin must be getting me confused. i didnt think you were upset that they didnt reply i just thought id relay what i usually find when i have spoken to/emailed doctors before. also there is no harm in asking at all, i never said there was. if you dont ask you dont get.
anyway keep up the good work i look forward to your updates.
Hey that's OK. No worries. And thanks.
Interesting. Well, it'll be curious to see how they apply it to different kinds of already existing scars.
Have you noticed these are almost the only web forums which don't degenerate into vulgar invectives? What good people malady makes of us!
But hark, I spy a narwhal near Svalbard pier!
Lily, why u're not working? Just wondering. Anyway seems like you're new here. Nobody knows how near/far we have to something that works 100% though. It is said we do have the method to do so already, but it might be obscured.
Anyway, you're impantient with acne scar treatments. And honestly I can tell you most of them don't really work. I've been through it all. Just see my date joined, back in 07. Lasers,peels,needling. You name it, I tried it. I can safely say I see at most (being a very generous) 20% improvement in my scars. Still, there is no way of verifying whether that improvement was through the treatments or the scar improving itself over time..
There's really nothing much we can do though, I just learn to live through my depression..
Simply because I haven't found a job.
Your post is depressing.
That is the truth ya. But I doubt yours is as bad as mine so cheer up. if yours is minor, treatment might help improve it greatly.
Lily, why u're not working? Just wondering. Anyway seems like you're new here. Nobody knows how near/far we have to something that works 100% though. It is said we do have the method to do so already, but it might be obscured.
Anyway, you're impantient with acne scar treatments. And honestly I can tell you most of them don't really work. I've been through it all. Just see my date joined, back in 07. Lasers,peels,needling. You name it, I tried it. I can safely say I see at most (being a very generous) 20% improvement in my scars. Still, there is no way of verifying whether that improvement was through the treatments or the scar improving itself over time..
There's really nothing much we can do though, I just learn to live through my depression..
Simply because I haven't found a job.
Your post is depressing.
That is the truth ya. But I doubt yours is as bad as mine so cheer up. if yours is minor, treatment might help improve it greatly.
AI3forever - i hope not many people take notice of you.you are negative like a lot of people that you have not found the right combination of treatments yet. when you do find a good treatment, you will be one happy chappy. i mean no offence mate, just being realistic.
i dont mean to be so forward about that, its just ive done a lot of research into trying to improve my scarring and each day i know im closer to being able to do my treatments. when i read comments like the above, i become quite upset and question everything. im sure a lot of people feel the same. ultimately we need to maintain positive thinking and a level head and comments like that just make me want to hide under my covers and cry my little eyes out.
we need to maintain positive thinking and a level head
I agree! 
Yes, I'm keeping an eye on treatments that are coming out. But at the same time I do go out there and try to enjoy myself. As much as I can. haha I'm not going to lie and say that I'm never self-conscious about my scarring but over time my insecurities have really gotten a lot less. And I'm now bothered by my scarring maybe 3% of the time where I used to be bothered by it 60% of the time. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that scarring doesn't have to be the end of the world, so to speak. But I'm kind of rambling now. lol
we need to maintain positive thinking and a level head
I agree!
Yes, I'm keeping an eye on treatments that are coming out. But at the same time I do go out there and try to enjoy myself. As much as I can. haha I'm not going to lie and say that I'm never self-conscious about my scarring but over time my insecurities have really gotten a lot less. And I'm now bothered by my scarring maybe 3% of the time where I used to be bothered by it 60% of the time. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that scarring doesn't have to be the end of the world, so to speak. But I'm kind of rambling now. lol
lol keep rambling, you are motivating everyone here. im glad you're going out and enjoying yourself mate
we need to maintain positive thinking and a level head
I agree!
Yes, I'm keeping an eye on treatments that are coming out. But at the same time I do go out there and try to enjoy myself. As much as I can. haha I'm not going to lie and say that I'm never self-conscious about my scarring but over time my insecurities have really gotten a lot less. And I'm now bothered by my scarring maybe 3% of the time where I used to be bothered by it 60% of the time. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that scarring doesn't have to be the end of the world, so to speak. But I'm kind of rambling now. lol
@Idonothaveacne, I had your attitude two or three year ago, I thought if people repeated it, it would bring a social intent that would bring a market force to bring scar free healing.
However when it became clear to me that scar free healing has been done (fibroblasts bring scarring, decorin controls the fibroblasts, non denatured ECM etc.)... Then why get excited about the future treatments when the fact is that scar free healing has been done.
@Idonothaveacne, I had your attitude two or three year ago, I thought if people repeated it, it would bring a social intent that would bring a market force to bring scar free healing.
However when it became clear to me that scar free healing has been done (fibroblasts bring scarring, decorin controls the fibroblasts, non denatured ECM etc.)... Then why get excited about the future treatments when the fact is that scar free healing has been done.
seabs not doubting you or anything, but you have been saying the same thing for the past 3 years. I don't see how one can be excited on the fact that scar free healing has been done for the past 3 years and not one single member has 100% removed their scars?
So what is the missing link here? Are we not trying hard enough?
@Idonothaveacne, I had your attitude two or three year ago, I thought if people repeated it, it would bring a social intent that would bring a market force to bring scar free healing.
However when it became clear to me that scar free healing has been done (fibroblasts bring scarring, decorin controls the fibroblasts, non denatured ECM etc.)... Then why get excited about the future treatments when the fact is that scar free healing has been done.
I never said that I'm only excited about future treatments...?
You know, I came across this thing on pubmed the other day which was written in 2004...and it said it was possible back then. lol
Anyway, I'm going to try to talk to a dermatologist about decorin in the near future. It'll be interesting to hear what he/she will say. We'll see.
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010...egenerate-teeth
On the bright side we are able to grow teeth through stem cells, how about skin next?
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010...egenerate-teeth
On the bright side we are able to grow teeth through stem cells, how about skin next?
"According to a study published in the latest Journal of Dental Research, a new tissue regeneration technique may allow people to simply regrow a new set of pearly whites."
haha Awesome.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/jun/10062913.html
off topic but at least it shows we are advancing in some areas.
http://www.physorg.com/news195316392.html
its getting late and i have only skimmed over this article so i apologise if it has no relevance.
Wow 10 days of absolutely nothing. Where is everybody? "I do not", have you talked to anyone else? You know what shocks me? We haven't discovered absolute scar free healing. I mean we can grow fucking organs from scratch but it's not possible to prevent a relatively small wound from scarring. Where the fuck are these scientists who have supposedly created a blastema equivilent? Where can I find out about their experiments and similar experiments by others? Why the fuck hasn't Acell updated their god damn site in over 7 months? Why is it so fucking hard for us to hear about someone who had a scar excised and then applied the powder liberally until they were completely and scarlessly healed? Fuck the system. I want new news. That Oprah finger shit was like 2 years ago! I want to hear about someone growing their dick back or a hand or a burn victim with no scars. Let's fucking go!
@Idonothaveacne, I had your attitude two or three year ago, I thought if people repeated it, it would bring a social intent that would bring a market force to bring scar free healing.
However when it became clear to me that scar free healing has been done (fibroblasts bring scarring, decorin controls the fibroblasts, non denatured ECM etc.)... Then why get excited about the future treatments when the fact is that scar free healing has been done.
seabs not doubting you or anything, but you have been saying the same thing for the past 3 years. I don't see how one can be excited on the fact that scar free healing has been done for the past 3 years and not one single member has 100% removed their scars?
So what is the missing link here? Are we not trying hard enough?
I'm not excited at all now. Thinking for myself, scar free healing is here, there is no doubt about that (to reiterate, decorin, that is absent in wounds, but plentyful in non wounded tissue, at 200nm arrests fibroblast proliferation, (fibroblast proliferation is the thing over months that brings scarring on wounded tissue), at the same time as it stops the proliferation the normal tissues remain unharmed etc. )...