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2 hours ago, voulzeyes said:I guess we'll all have to calm down now. It's just that, sometimes, people who have an agenda are so obnoxious and easy to read that it is hard not to tell them to stop.
I didn't notice that you can ignore users. This is the perfect solution to the problem - not to see this nonsense.
Very good news guys, regarding the Elastagen scientific papers. I asked Dr Tony Weiss, who replied that:
-Novel Recombinant Tropoelastin Implants Restore Skin Extracellular Matrix, has been accepted for publication in the Journal of Drugs in Dermatology. The journal is processing it now, so please check online for at https://jddonline.com/issue when it is published.
So basically we just need to check the website regularly from now on, to check when the article will be available.
Just as a reminder though: this is about stretch marks and acne scars.
3 hours ago, lehran said:Very good news guys, regarding the Elastagen scientific papers. I asked Dr Tony Weiss, who replied that:
-Novel Recombinant Tropoelastin Implants Restore Skin Extracellular Matrix, has been accepted for publication in the Journal of Drugs in Dermatology. The journal is processing it now, so please check online for at https://jddonline.com/issue when it is published.
So basically we just need to check the website regularly from now on, to check when the article will be available.
Just as a reminder though: this is about stretch marks and acne scars.
Thank you man, that's a great update.
On 11/9/2020 at 1:33 PM, lehran said:Very good news guys, regarding the Elastagen scientific papers. I asked Dr Tony Weiss, who replied that:
-Novel Recombinant Tropoelastin Implants Restore Skin Extracellular Matrix, has been accepted for publication in the Journal of Drugs in Dermatology. The journal is processing it now, so please check online for at https://jddonline.com/issue when it is published.
So basically we just need to check the website regularly from now on, to check when the article will be available.
Just as a reminder though: this is about stretch marks and acne scars.
Can we pin this comment somewhere? This is basically the answer that tons of people have been looking for, for months now, about "where to look for' when it comes to the elastagen scientific papers.
Now the only question is, will it happen in November or December? If it's being processed right now, I think December seems quite likely.
Guys any update about elastagen? Can it come in 2021? How effective will it be in curing stretchmarks and acne scar. Microcoring won't be completely able to get rid of stretchmarks tbh. Will Allergan release this product or not. They bought elastagen for this reason right.
2 hours ago, Anushkaaa said:Guys any update about elastagen? Can it come in 2021? How effective will it be in curing stretchmarks and acne scar. Microcoring won't be completely able to get rid of stretchmarks tbh. Will Allergan release this product or not. They bought elastagen for this reason right.
I answered that very question a few comments before that one, take a look yourself 😉
16 hours ago, lehran said:I answered that very question a few comments before that one, take a look yourself 😉
Yeah so until the journal comes , all we can do is wait? As Allergan isn't replying when can the product be around in the market which is obvious as no one would reveal about their products but isn't that why Allergan spent 100 million on a clinical trial company .also, thank you. Also do u think we will get an update in a few months???
13 hours ago, gantz said:why do youthink so?
It is supposed to remove skin with full dermal thickness, but stretchmarks are devoid of dermis . If the devoid part is partially devoid of dermis, we can expect improvement around 100 percent but we def need a lot of session in my opinion. I emailed them so let's wait for a response.
7 hours ago, Anushkaaa said:Yeah so until the journal comes , all we can do is wait? As Allergan isn't replying when can the product be around in the market which is obvious as no one would reveal about their products but isn't that why Allergan spent 100 million on a clinical trial company .also, thank you. Also do u think we will get an update in a few months???
We don't know when, all we know is it's eventually coming. And the very reason why we're waiting for the scientific drafts (which should be available soon according to the answer I was given. Although it could mean several weeks still) is precisely because we want to find out how good their tropoelastin-based product is for several skin conditions.
Patience is key here, this isn't the kind of stuff where things suddenly get fixed in a matter of months. We're all waiting for the news, and as soon as it's confirmed that this product works (IF it works), then things will start to get get really interesting.
In the meantime, manage your expectations, be patient, or you could be seriously disappointed.
18 hours ago, lehran said:We don't know when, all we know is it's eventually coming. And the very reason why we're waiting for the scientific drafts (which should be available soon according to the answer I was given. Although it could mean several weeks still) is precisely because we want to find out how good their tropoelastin-based product is for several skin conditions.
Patience is key here, this isn't the kind of stuff where things suddenly get fixed in a matter of months. We're all waiting for the news, and as soon as it's confirmed that this product works (IF it works), then things will start to get get really interesting.
In the meantime, manage your expectations, be patient, or you could be seriously disappointed.
So true. Actually it would be revolutionary once it comes provided it's also effective in scar treatment.people would slowly boycott lasers I guess . I know that patience is the key but with a scarred skin, life is difficult and when people comment on it, it's more disheartening. I know there is also a possibility that this won't work but I have kept my expectations with all these upcoming technology as I was hopeless. A lot of people on Quora say that this could be launched suddenly in 2 - 3 years. Some say it's gon take time. Microcoring on the other hand removes 5 percent skin so it's not that effective for stretchmarks as it is for acne scars. I have both. Just praying.please keep us updated , as no one mentioned the journal before you, you gave us a bit of hope
1 hour ago, Anushkaaa said:So true. Actually it would be revolutionary once it comes provided it's also effective in scar treatment.people would slowly boycott lasers I guess . I know that patience is the key but with a scarred skin, life is difficult and when people comment on it, it's more disheartening. I know there is also a possibility that this won't work but I have kept my expectations with all these upcoming technology as I was hopeless. A lot of people on Quora say that this could be launched suddenly in 2 - 3 years. Some say it's gon take time. Microcoring on the other hand removes 5 percent skin so it's not that effective for stretchmarks as it is for acne scars. I have both. Just praying.please keep us updated , as no one mentioned the journal before you, you gave us a bit of hope
My pleasure 😉 . Honestly anyone would have been able to share the news at some point. The fact that Rob Daniels was kind enough to tell me about the scientifics drafts (he probably told tons of other people as well) is, in itself, a fair reason to start thinking that they're satisfied enough to show their results to people out there. Just gotta wait and see now ^^ !
On 11/15/2020 at 7:34 PM, lehran said:My pleasure 😉 . Honestly anyone would have been able to share the news at some point. The fact that Rob Daniels was kind enough to tell me about the scientifics drafts (he probably told tons of other people as well) is, in itself, a fair reason to start thinking that they're satisfied enough to show their results to people out there. Just gotta wait and see now ^^ !
Do you have any idea whether elastagen is same as rejuvederm. I read an article about how this are going to be released as fillers or something
18 hours ago, Anushkaaa said:Do you have any idea whether elastagen is same as rejuvederm. I read an article about how this are going to be released as fillers or something
I don't think so. I know that, at some point, elastagen's products were in allergan's pipeline, but since they've been absorbed by abbvie, they stopped appearing there.
On 11/17/2020 at 6:01 AM, lehran said:I don't think so. I know that, at some point, elastagen's products were in allergan's pipeline, but since they've been absorbed by abbvie, they stopped appearing there.
Is theirproduct pipeline limited to injections for the near future? I really don't see injections fixing the scars of mostpeople here. Many of us have substantial texture issues even at the epidermal level. An injection likely wont hide that since even if the dermal strutures are regenerated, there's still a messed up epidermis.
I saw that they're working on excision regeneration technology, but that's looking way toward the future. I don't want to come off as a confrontational or dismissive, but what has you thinking this will give an 80-90% improvement? I saw that you stated that percentage earlier in the thread and I'm skeptical of it. I'm still interested in Elastagen, but from a technical standpoint I currently see more promise in a method that excises skin, like microcoring.
Having said that, if they eventually release tropoelastin sheets that can regenerate somewhat large amounts of excised skin perfectly, I'll be 100% on board. That's the future and is very exciting. I dont think it's close though.
12 hours ago, PTAA said:Is theirproduct pipeline limited to injections for the near future? I really don't see injections fixing the scars of mostpeople here. Many of us have substantial texture issues even at the epidermal level. An injection likely wont hide that since even if the dermal strutures are regenerated, there's still a messed up epidermis.
I saw that they're working on excision regeneration technology, but that's looking way toward the future. I don't want to come off as a confrontational or dismissive, but what has you thinking this will give an 80-90% improvement? I saw that you stated that percentage earlier in the thread and I'm skeptical of it. I'm still interested in Elastagen, but from a technical standpoint I currently see more promise in a method that excises skin, like microcoring.
Having said that, if they eventually release tropoelastin sheets that can regenerate somewhat large amounts of excised skin perfectly, I'll be 100% on board. That's the future and is very exciting. I dont think it's close though.
I actually completely agree with you when you mention different types of scars. I, for example, can't see how a simple injection would address hypertrophic scars, which are very raised, and sometimes super severe.
The main focus of elastagen right now is atrophic scars, as the idea is to repair the dermis and replace the voids left by the damage with a tropoelastin-based IMPLANT (the word implant is important here). It's basically the same idea for stretch marks and acne scars: using a synthetic 3D skin (which is what they created, basically) to cover the damage.
They're really not there yet when it comes to more severe kinds of scaring like hypertrophic scars. If you read some of my older comments (thank you for that btw), you'll find one with tons of links about elastagen. I believe there's one (probably an audio file) where Tony Weiss mentions that they still have a long way to go for more severe scars, and I really doubt that JUST a filler is the solution. It's probably going to be a combination of things.
So no, you're not coming off as confrontational or anything, you actually made very good points.
Ah, also, about the 80-90% improvement, I wrote something about that (concerning the kind of improvement one should expect), as people usually have the wrong idea about what that means, did you find that part?
On 11/19/2020 at 7:32 AM, PTAA said:Is theirproduct pipeline limited to injections for the near future? I really don't see injections fixing the scars of mostpeople here. Many of us have substantial texture issues even at the epidermal level. An injection likely wont hide that since even if the dermal strutures are regenerated, there's still a messed up epidermis.
I saw that they're working on excision regeneration technology, but that's looking way toward the future. I don't want to come off as a confrontational or dismissive, but what has you thinking this will give an 80-90% improvement? I saw that you stated that percentage earlier in the thread and I'm skeptical of it. I'm still interested in Elastagen, but from a technical standpoint I currently see more promise in a method that excises skin, like microcoring.
Having said that, if they eventually release tropoelastin sheets that can regenerate somewhat large amounts of excised skin perfectly, I'll be 100% on board. That's the future and is very exciting. I dont think it's close though.
Well , i asked my friend dr ( not dermatologist ) in my home country before i started this acne scars treatment what he thinks about it.
He said to me: Improvement is possible, some scars will look a lot better some less , but dont expect drastic improvement ( 80-90 % ) or complet removal of scar, technology is not there yet, he told me to remove scar you have to excise it - "cut it out " scar tissue, but then of course it creates another scar which can look even worse then original scarsand also not every scars - dent- depression in skin is suitable for excision.
Simply put you d have to remove scars tissue and replace it with new skin . Thats why todays treatment are not "good enough", you can inject filler and it can lift the floor of the scars and then with laser or peeling ablate the surface and it will look better but scartissue is still there thats why its called correction, f.e. sometimes u have scarsthat islifted with subc + filler but u still see scar, it has different color and looks different then surounding skin because its the scar tissue .
1 hour ago, Miro said:Well , i asked my friend dr ( not dermatologist ) in my home country before i started this acne scars treatment what he thinks about it.
He said to me: Improvement is possible, some scars will look a lot better some less , but dont expect drastic improvement ( 80-90 % ) or complet removal of scar, technology is not there yet, he told me to remove scar you have to excise it - "cut it out " scar tissue, but then of course it creates another scar which can look even worse then original scarsand also not every scars - dent- depression in skin is suitable for excision.
Simply put you d have to remove scars tissue and replace it with new skin . Thats why todays treatment are not "good enough", you can inject filler and it can lift the floor of the scars and then with laser or peeling ablate the surface and it will look better but scartissue is still there thats why its called correction, f.e. sometimes u have scarsthat islifted with subc + filler but u still see scar, it has different color and looks different then surounding skin because its the scar tissue .
I underwent 1 laser stretchmarks reduction and let me be honest, I saw a huge improvement. The doctor said that the current technology can improve the appearance of scars by filling of the scars which is actually not regeneration. As for me my stretchmarks are wayyy too many but they are thin so the dents can be filled better. But the thing with elastagen is that when they inject a Synthetic skin into your dermal layer it goes into regeneration of the skin something humans are not capable of ( example reptiles like snakes can regenerate their skin , not us) . The elastin and related components form before birth and when we get scars ex acne scars stretchmarks, current technology can reduce their appearance and depth upto a good amount if treatments are taken timely with multiple sessions but the skin won't be the way it was before. This is what is amusing about tropoelastin injections that bring the regeneration thing into play. I just wan say, we can't suggest the percentage improvement from now until we get proper evidence or human examples. If it is really able to regenerate skin, then we can literally imagine ourselves with near perfect skin but if not , the current technology is what we need to deal with. I will continue my laser session but if elastagen comes in a couple years, would try that too.
4 hours ago, Anushkaaa said:I underwent 1 laser stretchmarks reduction and let me be honest, I saw a huge improvement. The doctor said that the current technology can improve the appearance of scars by filling of the scars which is actually not regeneration. As for me my stretchmarks are wayyy too many but they are thin so the dents can be filled better. But the thing with elastagen is that when they inject a Synthetic skin into your dermal layer it goes into regeneration of the skin something humans are not capable of ( example reptiles like snakes can regenerate their skin , not us) . The elastin and related components form before birth and when we get scars ex acne scars stretchmarks, current technology can reduce their appearance and depth upto a good amount if treatments are taken timely with multiple sessions but the skin won't be the way it was before. This is what is amusing about tropoelastin injections that bring the regeneration thing into play. I just wan say, we can't suggest the percentage improvement from now until we get proper evidence or human examples. If it is really able to regenerate skin, then we can literally imagine ourselves with near perfect skin but if not , the current technology is what we need to deal with. I will continue my laser session but if elastagen comes in a couple years, would try that too.
First treatment for my acne scars was Fractional CO2, it did absolutly nothing for my scaring. Its true that dr used very conservative setting. Then I made my research and tried some manual methods first, at the end i will maybe try again Fractional CO2 with some serious setting, I hope i see some improvement , cause first time it was just wasted time and money.
8 hours ago, Miro said:First treatment for my acne scars was Fractional CO2, it did absolutly nothing for my scaring. Its true that dr used very conservative setting. Then I made my research and tried some manual methods first, at the end i will maybe try again Fractional CO2 with some serious setting, I hope i see some improvement , cause first time it was just wasted time and money.
Once I went to a very reputable doctor for my legs stretchmarks.he said all kinds of big things and stuff and after 2 treatment I found nothing but hyperpigmentation on my legs. I microneedled with hyaluronic acid and they have almost disappeared only I see them as I know they exist. My sudden weight gain left me with deep arm stretchmarks everywhere on my arms so this time I decided to go to a rather local doctor. I said her to operate the laser with utmost power on one and not so high on the other. I don't know if u can see this but the pic is after 10 days ( before on left and after on right) now it's been 3 weeks and I really feel they have blended with my skin. But obviously the dents are visible if I stretch my skin slightly but the depth has definitely reduced. It's not the lightning difference trust me , they have improved . I have a minimum of 8 treatment combination with prp and radio-frequency tightening and maximum of 12. The other hand with less laser power had less of a result. I hope u can see the difference. The lightning is a problem here but trust me this worked
