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1 hour ago, Frasier said:Treatments today are not good enough. Its as simple as that.
But each to his/her own. I wont waste my money and time on todays treatments.
Well itstrue , goodenough means 80 % improvement at least , that cannot beachieved , simple as that , however if u want some improvement u giveit a try with gooddr, thats why i found good dr , and made my plan , theres improvement , at the end of my journey i share my exp with comunity
When one of the best options is to needle yourselfin the face (microneedling) it tells me howbad the scienceis regarding scarring.
We should demand more and betteroptions. There should be a hugedifference between 1990 and 2020.
But the industry makes huge money while we accept the situation and the lousy treatments.
As long as we use money on todays shitty treatmentswe delay the progression to better treatments that actually works.
39 minutes ago, Frasier said:When one of the best options is to needle yourselfin the face (microneedling) it tells me howbad the scienceis regarding scarring.
We should demand more and betteroptions. There should be a hugedifference between 1990 and 2020.
But the industry makes huge money while we accept the situation and the lousy treatments.As long as we use money on todays shitty treatmentswe delay the progression to better treatments that actually works.
I get you. Even those who are at the forefront of anti-scarring technologies have their hands tied from the slow nature clinical trials and proof of concept experiments have. This man Maksim Plikus and his colleagues discovered the presence of bmp in wounds can lead to scar free regeneration and even revert excised scars into functional skin with fat cells(adipocytes) and hair follicles on rats(discovered in 2013, they're still talking about it in 2020). Trials on humans becomes an ethical issue of bmp not changing the cell environment and creating something else as specific growth factors and sequences are required.
In the early years of science a man like this would've had his own lab sponsored by the government with animals like chimps as lab rats but sadly the "woke" society today prefers scientists go through loops to model human tissue in all sorts of unconventional ways.
Microneedling has been used since 1995 I kid you not and is still safer than a lot of lasers that scars skin so even though it's ancient tech I appreciate the fact it exists over nothing else. The future will bring Microcoring which if it lives up to all that's been said like the extract of a 30 man clinical trial I shared here may be useful for getting rid of a good number of scars with subsequent excisions. Elastagen would also arrive to give back elasticity and better cosmetic looks to stretch marks(if they bother you).
And if fs2 doesn't or hasn't flopped it may be used alongside microneedling to breakdown scar tissue till hopefully it's gone.
Whether anything comes out or not shouldn't mean your life has to stop, for all we know the tech may never come in our lifetimes as these scientists themselves who discover these things are held back by a lot of things. You may not like what you see in the mirror but there's someone who has it a lot worse and wishes they had your scars instead.
2 hours ago, David4bay said:I get you. Even those who are at the forefront of anti-scarring technologies have their hands tied from the slow nature clinical trials and proof of concept experiments have. This man Maksim Plikus and his colleagues discovered the presence of bmp in wounds can lead to scar free regeneration and even revert excised scars into functional skin with fat cells(adipocytes) and hair follicles on rats(discovered in 2013, they're still talking about it in 2020). Trials on humans becomes an ethical issue of bmp not changing the cell environment and creating something else as specific growth factors and sequences are required.
In the early years of science a man like this would've had his own lab sponsored by the government with animals like chimps as lab rats but sadly the "woke" society today prefers scientists go through loops to model human tissue in all sorts of unconventional ways.
Microneedling has been used since 1995 I kid you not and is still safer than a lot of lasers that scars skin so even though it's ancient tech I appreciate the fact it exists over nothing else. The future will bring Microcoring which if it lives up to all that's been said like the extract of a 30 man clinical trial I shared here may be useful for getting rid of a good number of scars with subsequent excisions. Elastagen would also arrive to give back elasticity and better cosmetic looks to stretch marks(if they bother you).
And if fs2 doesn't or hasn't flopped it may be used alongside microneedling to breakdown scar tissue till hopefully it's gone.
Whether anything comes out or not shouldn't mean your life has to stop, for all we know the tech may never come in our lifetimes as these scientists themselves who discover these things are held back by a lot of things. You may not like what you see in the mirror but there's someone who has it a lot worse and wishes they had your scars instead.
Well written!
Thats why we shouldnt bother with the treatments we got today. Some people here advertise different lousy products because it gains their businessand themeselves.
We deserve better!
34 minutes ago, Didikaxonim1 said:
This is from 2018...
@Didikaxonim1...Could you stop polluting the thread with you long-ass quotes that don't really have any use? Kinda wanted to say this for weeks but I refrained since I didn't want to be rude, but it's really getting annoying.
44 minutes ago, lehran said:@Didikaxonim1...Could you stop polluting the thread with you long-ass quotes that don't really have any use? Kinda wanted to say this for weeks but I refrained since I didn't want to be rude, but it's really getting annoying.
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On 10/17/2020 at 6:26 AM, Frasier said:Treatments today are not good enough. Its as simple as that.
But each to his/her own. I wont waste my money and time on todays treatments.
You are right treatments are no better now than when this thread started 13 years ago. Doctors will happily take your money for no results...ask me they took me for over 35k.
51 minutes ago, nikkigirl said:You are right treatments are no better now than when this thread started 13 years ago. Doctors will happily take your money for no results...ask me they took me for over 35k.
Wait...you spent more than 35 000 dollars on treatments? Oo
Hey, I mean if you can spend that much on that, it means you're probably doing very well financially speaking, so there's that at least I guess 😉
I spent 750 euros on 5 treatments of carboxytherapy + fractional radiofrequency before deciding it was not worth it.
Not sure how much that derm you keep posting really knows about Cytrellis. In the link you posted before she referred to it as a laser. It definitely is not a laser...
The trial was carried out at the Miami Dermatology and Laser Institute not the Miami Skin Institute. You're bugging the wrong doctor.
Didi posted industrial scale drilling tools before on the topic and has been contacting dermatologists who know nothing about micro-coring on Instagram. She also said English isn't her first language, so it's safe to say she doesn't know what she's talking about. Very likely she's desperate for anything to get rid of her scars. Every legit piece of info about micro-coring has been said and shown on this forum, right from DamnBoy, Sniffy and lastly my posting of an article that discussed the result of a trial on scars they did in 2019 that they found scars were reduced. Page 442, 424, 420-422 and I think 427 had the most info on this forum, plus the "1044-Compte-rendu-ASLMS-2019.pdf" document you can source from Google.
Simply put, the procedure is using the idea that a laser can fractionally penetrate the skin and cause the skin to repair itself and correct irregularities by building collagen and elastin in the weeks that the holes made are healing , but instead this device is mechanical in nature, using hollowed out needles to remove full thickness skin i.e epidermis-dermis without affecting the subcataneous fat and fascia(muscles that give your face structure). The difference is that unlike ablative laser holes that has prolonged healing times of a week or more, the holes made by the Cytrellis device closes in 10 minutes, and if you've been seen the histology shot DamnBoy shared before the edges of those holes come together and close, the procedure eliminates skin. That's why it's applications even extend to tattoo removal( I'll soon get to why the larger surface area removals even work best for the device from my research).
From the Cytrellis patent on google, "a coverage of 20% corresponds to about 625 insertion/withdrawal cycles per square inch with a device containing four 25 gauge needles, and a coverage of 40% corresponds to about 1250 insertion/withdrawal cycles of the same device per square inch. Coverages of 20% and 40% can also be achieved with about 362 and 724 insertion/withdrawal cycles per square inch, respectively, of a device having four 23 gauge needles".
You do the math( coverages refer to percentage of skin removed ), not saying this will work for all scars and don't know all the kinks or when the procedure will come out but so far members have posted all the relevant info on it, we can only wait to see them confirmed with our own eyes while we keep living our lives till then.
Agreed
Be careful who you contact people!...the Miami Skin Institute will tell you anything. Collagen Growth and smooth skin is a very vague and incorrect response regarding Microcoring. They will put some cream on your skin for $300 and say it also causes collagen growth and smooth skin. They are crooks a lot of these cosmetic clinics.
Haven't read through the 400 + posts here. So I'm not certain that this hasn't already been discussed. But sulfur is a huge component in healing of scars. When ingested. Plenty of vegetables that are rich in sulfur. Whey protein is rich in sulfur and is loaded with amino acids that are building blocks for a healthy mind and skin. Neurotransmitters are often neglected in regards to a positive and healthy mindset. And you pretty much get what you need from whey protein to ensure these neurotransmitters are working properly.
I have read numerous testimonies regarding the use of sulfur in the diet to diminish and even eliminate scarring. I make sure sure to have plenty of it. Loads of brands to choose from if you want to take it straight mixed in to a solution of water or protein shake or whatever. Radishes are high in sulfur....raw eggs....I don't have any scars left from the acne I had. Cystic. I stopped using all topical meds and washes and creams...toners... If i get dry skin occasionally i use a very small amount of MCT oil topically and rub it /massage it all over my face. And then mop it up with kleenex tissue. Very simple. Seems backwards cause the mindset is to fear oil on the face. But it has worked. Along with my diet plan. Hope this helps. I could write 20 paragraphs about this. But I'm sure it has already been discussed.
P.S. So i guess i DO consume dairy. But only whey protein
She has not "visited" in 4 years.....but you can bet your A** she was the most knowledgeable contribution to this site. If you get time.....take a look at her posts. The single most dedicated human being to the research of acne NON PROFIT that ever existed. She has SO.......much info for you to discover I cannot wait for you to realize it all. Take the time....view her posts....and you will learn things you never could imagine regarding this affliction. She is my long time friend and taught me a great deal. Truly Legendary.
Peace- goose
Let go.....of all of the new products that promise you clear skin.....let go. It is easier said than done. I took a great risk in leaving face washes and topical medications...of all types. I basically said "I am done. I am done with what these companies are promising...."
I went rogue. And to my great surprise.....doing less.....meant doing more for my skin. Everything I do is internal. I do NOT wash my face. Haven't in 10 years. Do you like tight skin? Red skin? Giant cystic acne? I doubt it. You can change your RNA. Based on what you put into your body. Yes. Truth. So start doing it. Forget about topical applications. Heal your skin and body and mind internally. I am FREE of this affliction. Because I took a risk and took advice from my advisors like Altertavista. Let go of what you "know". Try something unconventional . You might be surprised.
I did not "grow" out of my acne. I conquered it through years of discipline and knowledge passed on to me by my predecessors. Those who dedicated their lives to helping others beat this affliction. I am here to this day after 10 years in hope that i will inspire you who suffer....to try something new. Message me if you have any questions. But do not lose hope. I hope this helps in your journey to rid yourself once and for all from acne. - goose
Is it... a "cool story".... Or is it a truth. That most members neglect to address after they have healed and leave this site. ? It is a very cool story. It is a story of healing. Using unconventional methods. A very cool and real story.
And I am not your bro. I am a fellow acne sufferer. looking to share my success to those who are still suffering.
This is a thread that is based on peer reviewed science. If you would like to contribute please do so. But the fact is you are coming across as a spammer with a vested interest no doubt. I'm sure if someone were to DM you as you suggest you would spam them with affiliate links to some rotten sulphur product which will do very little for their scarring.
I am a veteran member since 2010. No one needs to message me. I did not promote a singe sulfur based product. Yes? Yes. There are many out there. I named not a single one. Yes? Yes.....peer reviewed science.....a great thing.....indeed. Why are you here? On this site? If not a temporary sufferer of acne. ? That being said....what have YOU done that has rid yourself of acne. ? Pray tell us. For I am anxious to hear
I am not here promoting a product line. I shared my advice after years of study and practice. And have directed those who are watching to a much more intelligent member. Alternativista. You are free to take any advice from her or from myself. There is no product being promoted here. Simply an opportunity. To branch out from what you have been indoctrinated to believe as truth. That face washes and toners and topical meds are the solution. They are not. My bro