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On 10/8/2020 at 12:02 PM, voulzeyes said:A lil question guys, kinda forgot to ask: where exactly are we supposed to look for the elastagen papers once they're published? I'm particularly interested in what it'll mean for stretch marks. Thank you.
Yeah I'd like to know too as I can't see any mention of elastagen on the abbvie website in their pipeline section
I'll answer that question guys, as I asked Rob Daniels before on linkedin. Basically that's how you'll be able to find out where the elastagen papers are once they're out
"Hi *********, the lead author will be Van Den Berg and I will be the last author. So if you Google 'Van Den Berg, PubMed, stretch marks or tropoelastin' the paper should come up once it is published. Best Regards, Rob
2 hours ago, nikkigirl said:50 years from now this thread will still be going strong....gosh it has been over 13 years already and we are no further along than we were 13 years ago.
I doubt it , medicine is going fast forward , in 50 years there will be methods that can deal with scars in such way thatthey make em almost invisible if not completely get rid of em
10 hours ago, nikkigirl said:50 years from now this thread will still be going strong....gosh it has been over 13 years already and we are no further along than we were 13 years ago.
I strongly disagree with this statement: we're already seeing proof thanks to tropoelastin that skin conditions like acne scar, stretch marks and atrophic scars will be very treatable in a matter of years (although I'm not talking about perfect, scarless skin healing, admiteddly) AND that's only one way to fix it: there are going to be several other ways to treat those in the future.
If you're talking about 100% scarless condition, I'll admit that no one knows when that will occur, but if you're talking about drastic and major improvement, then we are actually slowly getting there.
I'd advise waiting for the elastagen papers either at the end of the year or the beginning of next year, then we'll know if we really got the right on our hand for stretch marks and acne scars, WHICH is going to be an indication of what tropoelastin will do for more serious scars in the future once proper research has been done. If not, then yeah it's back to waiting.
11 hours ago, lehran said:I strongly disagree with this statement: we're already seeing proof thanks to tropoelastin that skin conditions like acne scar, stretch marks and atrophic scars will be very treatable in a matter of years (although I'm not talking about perfect, scarless skin healing, admiteddly) AND that's only one way to fix it: there are going to be several other ways to treat those in the future.
If you're talking about 100% scarless condition, I'll admit that no one knows when that will occur, but if you're talking about drastic and major improvement, then we are actually slowly getting there.
I'd advise waiting for the elastagen papers either at the end of the year or the beginning of next year, then we'll know if we really got the right on our hand for stretch marks and acne scars, WHICH is going to be an indication of what tropoelastin will do for more serious scars in the future once proper research has been done. If not, then yeah it's back to waiting.
I have been following this thread for years...and the hope from people year after year never ends.I have seen so many suppose treatments come and gone.I am not saying that there is not a chance but you have to change years of evolution.They have been saying for years about a cure for cancer ect but nothing ever comes of any of this so what makes you think they can get rid of scars? Prevention is the best treatment!
Regardless of when anything truly regenerative appears, live your life. Might be hopeful to read up on all these tech but what some people in this thread fail to realise is that raising and pitting all your hopes on "breakthrough x" will only make you sad when it doesn't come or fails to live up to the hype it had.
9 hours ago, nikkigirl said:I have been following this thread for years...and the hope from people year after year never ends.I have seen so many suppose treatments come and gone.I am not saying that there is not a chance but you have to change years of evolution.They have been saying for years about a cure for cancer ect but nothing ever comes of any of this so what makes you think they can get rid of scars? Prevention is the best treatment!
I recently joined here. Have other tools been created before and not brought to market?
10 hours ago, nikkigirl said:I have been following this thread for years...and the hope from people year after year never ends.I have seen so many suppose treatments come and gone.I am not saying that there is not a chance but you have to change years of evolution.They have been saying for years about a cure for cancer ect but nothing ever comes of any of this so what makes you think they can get rid of scars? Prevention is the best treatment!
Well , true and not so true, medicine is making big progress, i know people, even from my family that had tumor / cancer, they underewent treatment and live , their parent / parents died cause of same issue 30 years ago, yes theres no ultimate cure for cancer , but medicine can treat succesfully conditions like never before, look at AIDS f.e. , same with scarring esp. acne scars , in 80 s u gotta live with that, in 90 s somethin new came - subc , lasers etc , now we have some very good treatments and modalities, is it something that can give u 80-90% improvement ? No, but some correction is possible, in 5 years from now there will be something new again, theres still some new better energy device, new filler, new technique for subcision and so on , its getting better and betterm lets hope within 10 years there will be something that can reallygreatly reduce acne scarring and scars overally.
7 hours ago, Miro said:Well , true and not so true, medicine is making big progress, i know people, even from my family that had tumor / cancer, they underewent treatment and live , their parent / parents died cause of same issue 30 years ago, yes theres no ultimate cure for cancer , but medicine can treat succesfully conditions like never before, look at AIDS f.e. , same with scarring esp. acne scars , in 80 s u gotta live with that, in 90 s somethin new came - subc , lasers etc , now we have some very good treatments and modalities, is it something that can give u 80-90% improvement ? No, but some correction is possible, in 5 years from now there will be something new again, theres still some new better energy device, new filler, new technique for subcision and so on , its getting better and betterm lets hope within 10 years there will be something that can reallygreatly reduce acne scarring and scars overally.
Hope is eternal at this forum....i have seen all the treatments and yes i have had filler ect and nothing has done a lot to my scars and made me poorer. You hope and hope but nothing ever comes to fruitation.Live your life and don't look in the mirror!
1 hour ago, nikkigirl said:Hope is eternal at this forum....i have seen all the treatments and yes i have had filler ect and nothing has done a lot to my scars and made me poorer. You hope and hope but nothing ever comes to fruitation.Live your life and don't look in the mirror!
Yes it is, and why are u suprised ?
But my post was aobut the fact that we can have better treatment nowadays with drs that specialize in this field, yes its not great but still better then 10 years ago, and it will be much better in next then years thats it.
I live my life , and i have quite succesfull and very proactive life but still i want my acne scars gone or at least greatly reduced and so far it went quite good with my journey, could it be better ? Yes but thats what it is. And dont look in to the mirror ? Oh comon dont be ridiculous, you cant ignore mirrors, i have to shave and brush my teeths 🙂
1 hour ago, Frasier said:Treatments today are not good enough. Its as simple as that.
But each to his/her own. I wont waste my money and time on todays treatments.
Well itstrue , goodenough means 80 % improvement at least , that cannot beachieved , simple as that , however if u want some improvement u giveit a try with gooddr, thats why i found good dr , and made my plan , theres improvement , at the end of my journey i share my exp with comunity
When one of the best options is to needle yourselfin the face (microneedling) it tells me howbad the scienceis regarding scarring.
We should demand more and betteroptions. There should be a hugedifference between 1990 and 2020.
But the industry makes huge money while we accept the situation and the lousy treatments.
As long as we use money on todays shitty treatmentswe delay the progression to better treatments that actually works.
39 minutes ago, Frasier said:When one of the best options is to needle yourselfin the face (microneedling) it tells me howbad the scienceis regarding scarring.
We should demand more and betteroptions. There should be a hugedifference between 1990 and 2020.
But the industry makes huge money while we accept the situation and the lousy treatments.As long as we use money on todays shitty treatmentswe delay the progression to better treatments that actually works.
I get you. Even those who are at the forefront of anti-scarring technologies have their hands tied from the slow nature clinical trials and proof of concept experiments have. This man Maksim Plikus and his colleagues discovered the presence of bmp in wounds can lead to scar free regeneration and even revert excised scars into functional skin with fat cells(adipocytes) and hair follicles on rats(discovered in 2013, they're still talking about it in 2020). Trials on humans becomes an ethical issue of bmp not changing the cell environment and creating something else as specific growth factors and sequences are required.
In the early years of science a man like this would've had his own lab sponsored by the government with animals like chimps as lab rats but sadly the "woke" society today prefers scientists go through loops to model human tissue in all sorts of unconventional ways.
Microneedling has been used since 1995 I kid you not and is still safer than a lot of lasers that scars skin so even though it's ancient tech I appreciate the fact it exists over nothing else. The future will bring Microcoring which if it lives up to all that's been said like the extract of a 30 man clinical trial I shared here may be useful for getting rid of a good number of scars with subsequent excisions. Elastagen would also arrive to give back elasticity and better cosmetic looks to stretch marks(if they bother you).
And if fs2 doesn't or hasn't flopped it may be used alongside microneedling to breakdown scar tissue till hopefully it's gone.
Whether anything comes out or not shouldn't mean your life has to stop, for all we know the tech may never come in our lifetimes as these scientists themselves who discover these things are held back by a lot of things. You may not like what you see in the mirror but there's someone who has it a lot worse and wishes they had your scars instead.
2 hours ago, David4bay said:I get you. Even those who are at the forefront of anti-scarring technologies have their hands tied from the slow nature clinical trials and proof of concept experiments have. This man Maksim Plikus and his colleagues discovered the presence of bmp in wounds can lead to scar free regeneration and even revert excised scars into functional skin with fat cells(adipocytes) and hair follicles on rats(discovered in 2013, they're still talking about it in 2020). Trials on humans becomes an ethical issue of bmp not changing the cell environment and creating something else as specific growth factors and sequences are required.
In the early years of science a man like this would've had his own lab sponsored by the government with animals like chimps as lab rats but sadly the "woke" society today prefers scientists go through loops to model human tissue in all sorts of unconventional ways.
Microneedling has been used since 1995 I kid you not and is still safer than a lot of lasers that scars skin so even though it's ancient tech I appreciate the fact it exists over nothing else. The future will bring Microcoring which if it lives up to all that's been said like the extract of a 30 man clinical trial I shared here may be useful for getting rid of a good number of scars with subsequent excisions. Elastagen would also arrive to give back elasticity and better cosmetic looks to stretch marks(if they bother you).
And if fs2 doesn't or hasn't flopped it may be used alongside microneedling to breakdown scar tissue till hopefully it's gone.
Whether anything comes out or not shouldn't mean your life has to stop, for all we know the tech may never come in our lifetimes as these scientists themselves who discover these things are held back by a lot of things. You may not like what you see in the mirror but there's someone who has it a lot worse and wishes they had your scars instead.
Well written!
Thats why we shouldnt bother with the treatments we got today. Some people here advertise different lousy products because it gains their businessand themeselves.
We deserve better!