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51 minutes ago, David4bay said:Does anyone know if we will have consumer focused microcoring devices?
what doesit mean?Your own device?I saw a couple of pictures and it looks like the device is too bulky and suitable for various beauty salons. I think you probavly could buy it anyway, but price will he too high.The reason I doubt there is an affordable option for the general consumer is the need for a powerful compressor to suction the tissue.
1 hour ago, Scarcure said:Cancer is unfortunately part of how mammals evolved , you can prevent it , but it could never go away , scarring is also the case , however the complete regeneration of skin is far more attainable and realistic , also you are aware skin cancer can be cause because of skin scarring because of the lack of skin integrity and how the skin is weaker and can't protect itself from the sun as well as unscarred healthy skin.
however, breakthroughs in cancer therapy are much more significant. when it comes to skin, all we can do is use lasers / radio waves and other nonsense.there is some progress in this direction, growth factors, stem cells are being studied, research is being carried out, but nevertheless, there is still nothing applicable for people.While cancer is treated in many ways and in recent years new ones have emerged (gene therapy)
59 minutes ago, gantz said:what doesit mean?Your own device?I saw a couple of pictures and it looks like the device is too bulky and suitable for various beauty salons. I think you probavly could buy it anyway, but price will he too high.The reason I doubt there is an affordable option for the general consumer is the need for a powerful compressor to suction the tissue.
Thanks for the reply, I saw some shots of their device also and it truly does look bulky. With demand I assumed you might see smaller variations of the device tailored to certain skin conditions and was wondering if anyone knew if they had already accounted for this.
Best to leave it to skilled operators when it's out though, one might see some beauty craze fanatics attempt self treatments videos when it does become released and that idea led to my question.
Fingers crossed and expectations in check.
21 minutes ago, David4bay said:Thanks for the reply, I saw some shots of their device also and it truly does look bulky. With demand I assumed you might see smaller variations of the device tailored to certain skin conditions and was wondering if anyone knew if they had already accounted for this.
Best to leave it to skilled operators when it's out though, one might see some beauty craze fanatics attempt self treatments videos when it does become released and that idea led to my question.
Fingers crossed and expectations in check.
I also was thinking about self treatment by this device.I wish that at some point it would become real
16 hours ago, Skin Pessimist said:An improved procedure to reduce scars, wrinkles, and stretch marks would generate lots of revenue. Skincare isn't the most pressing issue in the world, but it's a growing industry for a reason.
Skincare yes, wrinkles yes of course, thats why we have lasers and Microneedling RF etc, there are all made for skin rejuvenzation,
to make you look younger after series of treatments, to clear skin of signs of aging like sunspots, sun damage etc. Thats where money are , people want this treatments, everyone wants to look young or younger.
All those devices are not made for acne scars.
Stretch marks ? Yes that is something that a lot of people have and nothing is working for those nowadays really, thats something what is worth investing in.
Scars and mainly acne scarring ? Not so much, thats why theres no device made specialy for acne scarring or for scars.
Treatments that are herespecialy for acne scars are : subcision and TCA cross, thats all. All other procedures and energy devices can also work for acne scarring, but they also dont have to.
Thats why many people are dissapointed by lasers and M RF when it comes to serious acne scars . Thats why all specialists in acne scars revision will tell you improvement is possible up to 50 %, mostly 30-40 % and thatis if u heal good and you re not unlucky enough to have side effects .
Today I was in shopping centre - out of 100 people that I met or saw, i was the only one that had acne scars ( i am not talking about some superficial nonsense , but at least medium deep acne scarring ). Its simply not very common to have "real" acne scars, its not worth investing in.
If i undesrtood it correctly this new treatment we re here talking about is focused on tissue regeneration and probably should work for stretch marks and maybe scars or acne scars, no one would start to do this and invest in it cause of acne scarring revision.
6 minutes ago, Miro said:Skincare yes, wrinkles yes of course, thats why we have lasers and Microneedling RF etc, there are all made for skin rejuvenzation,
to make you look younger after series of treatments, to clear skin of signs of aging like sunspots, sun damage etc. Thats where money are , people want this treatments, everyone wants to look young or younger.
All those devices are not made for acne scars.
Stretch marks ? Yes that is something that a lot of people have and nothing is working for those nowadays really, thats something what is worth investing in.
Scars and mainly acne scarring ? Not so much, thats why theres no device made specialy for acne scarring or for scars.
Treatments that are herespecialy for acne scars are : subcision and TCA cross, thats all. All other procedures and energy devices can also work for acne scarring, but they also dont have to.
Thats why many people are dissapointed by lasers and M RF when it comes to serious acne scars . Thats why all specialists in acne scars revision will tell you improvement is possible up to 50 %, mostly 30-40 % and thatis if u heal good and you re not unlucky enough to have side effects .
Today I was in shopping centre - out of 100 people that I met or saw, i was the only one that had acne scars ( i am not talking about some superficial nonsense , but at least medium deep acne scarring ). Its simply not very common to have "real" acne scars, its not worth investing in.
If i undesrtood it correctly this new treatment we re here talking about is focused on tissue regeneration and probably should work for stretch marks and maybe scars or acne scars, no one would start to do this and invest in it cause of acne scarring revision.
gotta agree with this statement. Research investments are made because they can bring value to the table later on (duh). Stretch marks occur in 80% of people, and like Miro said there's no treatment so far. An effective treatment at filling these lesions with healthy looking skin again would bring tremendous profit. There's a reason why you already have something like 10-15 treatments out there for striae although not a single one really works (which is kinda revealing in a way). Acne scars ain't super scarce or anything for sure, but it's nowhere near as common as stretch marks.
14 minutes ago, lehran said:gotta agree with this statement. Research investments are made because they can bring value to the table later on (duh). Stretch marks occur in 80% of people, and like Miro said there's no treatment so far. An effective treatment at filling these lesions with healthy looking skin again would bring tremendous profit. There's a reason why you already have something like 10-15 treatments out there for striae although not a single one really works (which is kinda revealing in a way). Acne scars ain't super scarce or anything for sure, but it's nowhere near as common as stretch marks.
Exactly, when I go to play footbal in my country there are like 10 men in dressing room, of course after the game we all take shower one after another, you could clearly see 7 out of 10 people have stretch marks, mostly on legs, even i have em on my butt 🙂 , its common condition. Really a lot people have em , and also men. With acne scars I am the only one. Do my stretch marksbother me ? No, no at all, Do i want em removed ? No. But if there was a treatment why not ? I d pay.
40 minutes ago, Miro said:Exactly, when I go to play footbal in my country there are like 10 men in dressing room, of course after the game we all take shower one after another, you could clearly see 7 out of 10 people have stretch marks, mostly on legs, even i have em on my butt 🙂 , its common condition. Really a lot people have em , and also men. With acne scars I am the only one. Do my stretch marksbother me ? No, no at all, Do i want em removed ? No. But if there was a treatment why not ? I d pay.
everyone has them on their butt and legs. I was unfortunate enough to also get them on my hips, shoulders, behind my upper back and al, so I'm covered xD.
Having a few of them is ok honestly, but it's annoying when genetics made you get a lot of them.
nb: I think women mostly don't care because they're even more prone to them than men
1 hour ago, Miro said:Skincare yes, wrinkles yes of course, thats why we have lasers and Microneedling RF etc, there are all made for skin rejuvenzation,
to make you look younger after series of treatments, to clear skin of signs of aging like sunspots, sun damage etc. Thats where money are , people want this treatments, everyone wants to look young or younger.
All those devices are not made for acne scars.
Stretch marks ? Yes that is something that a lot of people have and nothing is working for those nowadays really, thats something what is worth investing in.
Scars and mainly acne scarring ? Not so much, thats why theres no device made specialy for acne scarring or for scars.
Treatments that are herespecialy for acne scars are : subcision and TCA cross, thats all. All other procedures and energy devices can also work for acne scarring, but they also dont have to.
Thats why many people are dissapointed by lasers and M RF when it comes to serious acne scars . Thats why all specialists in acne scars revision will tell you improvement is possible up to 50 %, mostly 30-40 % and thatis if u heal good and you re not unlucky enough to have side effects .
Today I was in shopping centre - out of 100 people that I met or saw, i was the only one that had acne scars ( i am not talking about some superficial nonsense , but at least medium deep acne scarring ). Its simply not very common to have "real" acne scars, its not worth investing in.
If i undesrtood it correctly this new treatment we re here talking about is focused on tissue regeneration and probably should work for stretch marks and maybe scars or acne scars, no one would start to do this and invest in it cause of acne scarring revision.
Am sorry but i disagree wholeheartedly , so what's more of a priority within the field of medical research ? a regenerative procedure for stretchmarks , or a complete regeneration of severe 3rd degree burns ? i mean good lord man people will invest money in regenerative medicine that would regenerate skin tissue to its normal state , this also includes reversing physical signs of aging ....imagine the cosmetic industry would be in its biggest boom in its history.
I suppose that's why we have scientists that tirelessly study regenerative medicine for skin ( skin regeneration ), bone ( for faster healing of bones due to breaks ) , cartilage ( for osteoarthritis and other degenerative joint diseases ) etc.
If you really think about it , scientists are going to make priority for skin regeneration because people with terrible scarring live a sheltered and sad existence ( am referring to 3rd degree burn victims ) they don't want to go out , in the UK alone over 20 million people live with scarring that effects their lives , which only means the economy suffers ( these people don;t want to go out and spend money for a good time ) so it stands to reason such a human problem is going to be addressed because if such a high number of people are unhappy to do anything with their lives and contribute to a societies economy than of course funding will be present to make the lives of people that do suffer much better i.e get rid of scarring and achieve complete skin regenearation.
I mean just look at the fact people ( mostly men ) suffer from baldness due to genetic factors , now this isn't going to kill them being bald , yet research is still on going in which scientists have almost crack it and baldness will be a thing of the past https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/31/cure-baldness-possible-molecule-breakthrough-study-claims-13065793/
Now , what on earth makes any of you think that debilitating scarring that people suffer from acid attacks and fires that it isn't as important when we have something as frivolous ad a cure for baldness being worked on ?.
34 minutes ago, Scarcure said:Am sorry but i disagree wholeheartedly , so what's more of a priority within the field of medical research ? a regenerative procedure for stretchmarks , or a complete regeneration of severe 3rd degree burns ? i mean good lord man people will invest money in regenerative medicine that would regenerate skin tissue to its normal state , this also includes reversing physical signs of aging ....imagine the cosmetic industry would be in its biggest boom in its history.
I suppose that's why we have scientists that tirelessly study regenerative medicine for skin ( skin regeneration ), bone ( for faster healing of bones due to breaks ) , cartilage ( for osteoarthritis and other degenerative joint diseases ) etc.
You failed to get the point:
what's going to be a bigger money maker: a product that fixes stretch marks, or that helps the regeneration of severe 3rd degree burns? Obviously 3rd degree burns are way worse than stretch marks, but this is about making money, it always is. There's actually an article where it mentions that elastgen focused on stretch marks a lot because it would obviously be an immense money maker.
43 minutes ago, lehran said:You failed to get the point:
what's going to be a bigger money maker: a product that fixes stretch marks, or that helps the regeneration of severe 3rd degree burns? Obviously 3rd degree burns are way worse than stretch marks, but this is about making money, it always is. There's actually an article where it mentions that elastgen focused on stretch marks a lot because it would obviously be an immense money maker.
I disagree , or should i say are you serious ?.
Regardless if you don't think that skin regeneration that would eliminate one of humans greatest issues in terms of aesthetic health of skin ( which is also the largest organ on the human body ) wouldn't make more money than treating stretch marks than you really don't understand how economics work.
How many people really give a toss about stretch marks compared to serious , live altering scarring ? .... not many.
3 minutes ago, Scarcure said:I disagree , or should i say are you serious ?.
Regardless if you don't think that skin regeneration that would eliminate one of humans greatest issues in terms of aesthetic health of skin ( which is also the largest organ on the human body ) wouldn't make more money than treating stretch marks than you really don't understand how economics work.
How many people really give a toss about stretch marks compared to serious , live altering scarring ? .... not many.
I'd advise you, oh wise one, to compare the revenues generated on a yearly basis when it comes to cosmetic treatments to treat stretch marks, and to treat burns. You may have a surprise. And that's with no treatment really working for stretch marks currently mind you (I'll spare you the surprise: it's the same)
I have an MBA btw, don't try to teach me about economics because of your insecurity.
21 minutes ago, lehran said:I'd advise you, oh wise one, to compare the revenues generated on a yearly basis when it comes to cosmetic treatments to treat stretch marks, and to treat burns. You may have a surprise. And that's with no treatment really working for stretch marks currently mind you (I'll spare you the surprise: it's the same)
I have an MBA btw, don't try to teach me about economics because of your insecurity.
Yeah and i have an A levelsin economic science and accounting ...... and also don;t pretend you ain't on here to sort your " insecurity " out with youtr stretch mark issues.
it's sad pessimism runs deep in certain people and they have a need to project it on to others that are hopeful.
Respect my insecurities and problems and we'll be alright .... but of course if you're going to go for low hanging fruit than don't even bother , because we are all here for a reason to get rid of our problems that effects our self esteem.
Stretch marks and acne scars both result from changes to the dermis. New treatments don't have to be mutually exclusive. Elastagen is being marketed as a treatment for stretch marks, acne scars, and wound healing.
Microneedling shouldn't be discounted just because it doesn't only improve acne scarring. If new treatments can address multiple skin problems, it expands demand for the treatment. TCA cross is a high percentage of TCA applied directly to ice pick scars. TCA is used in lower percentages to reduce wrinkles and improve skin quality.
Miro wasn't trying to be rude, but one of those posts came off as dismissive. Many people have stretch marks, but I don't recall seeing an extremely bad case before. That doesn't change the fact that there are people dealing with severe stretch marks. The same concept applies with acne scars. This forum section wouldn't exist otherwise. There are also lots of posts on Reddit about acne scars
In addition to commercial research, there are also those conducted by various institutions where people are engaged in science as their vocation. Such people are also worth considering. But this of course does not mean that we will likely get skin regeneration soon.
When will elastagen come on the market? Who knows? Isn't it botox? I've seen botex on the internet.
will elastagen post the results exactly on the internet at the end of the year and from which site can it be seen? Has anyone talked to the elastagen director about this in the mail?
https://www.genengnews.com/news/progenitors-of-regeneration-for-severely-damaged-skin-identified/
I don'tthink that this is something significant, but it is nice that such news appears.
On 8/20/2020 at 10:47 PM, Didikaxonim said:When will elastagen come on the market? Who knows? Isn't it botox? I've seen botex on the internet.
will elastagen post the results exactly on the internet at the end of the year and from which site can it be seen? Has anyone talked to the elastagen director about this in the mail?
Nobody knows. It depends on trial results and the length of the regulatory process. Elastagen isn't botox
It's up to the company. They may not post the results until next year for all we know
1 hour ago, Skin Pessimist said:Nobody knows. It depends on trial results and the length of the regulatory process. Elastagen isn't botox
It's up to the company. They may not post the results until next year for all we know
I think he mentioned botox because allergan created botox in the first place (or bought the product). If elastagen's product really does what it's supposed to do for stretch marks, it's gonna be an even bigger breakthrough and hyped product.
But yeah, gotta wait either q4 2020 or q1 2021
59 minutes ago, Armanilko said:I think he mentioned botox because allergan created botox in the first place (or bought the product). If elastagen's product really does what it's supposed to do for stretch marks, it's gonna be an even bigger breakthrough and hyped product.
But yeah, gotta wait either q4 2020 or q1 2021
Quite frankly i wonder if it they can find something for deeper scars , cause theres also fat loss included which is of course permanent and only thing how Dr can try to correct this is filler , nothing else works for that really.
Just now, Miro said:Quite frankly i wonder if it they can find something for deeper scars , cause theres also fat loss included which is of course permanent and only thing how Dr can try to correct this is filler , nothing else works for that really.
Yeah? What kind of scars? Those that go deeper than the dermis you mean (hypodermis and so on)?