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3 hours ago, lehran said:I think I told you in the past, but I have some stretch marks on my shoulders (a couple), behind the upper part of my back (right behind my arms), a couple on my hips, on my butt, on each side of my crotch, some on my knees. Basically I grew too fast too young and it happened. They're "normal" stretch marks mostly, so I can live with them, but I'm super self conscious about having them all over as a guy, and I do have to work on that even today. You, in comparison, mostly have scars in one place: your face (and like someone else said, women love scars).
I never had problem with ladies due to my stretch marks, I never had problem getting laid due do them. I'm the one who feels bad about them sometimes, but I still enjoy living, going out and so on.
Don't beat yourself too much about scars until something comes out, it's a part of life: they're not ugly, they're not beautiful or anything, they're neutral: it's just something that happened at some point in your life, it didn't change you at all nor what you can do.
TLDR: be the same guy you were before you got them, and just live your life while waiting for something to come out.
@ScarlessfutureI know scarcure can sometimes be depressing and negative, but some people feel extremely bad about their skin issues, to the point where it affects their everyday mood, try not to make this escalate too much, it's not worth it honestly (although I understand your sentiment).
I get that some people can be super conscious about their scars but there are other threads for that. I come here time to time to read about the latest miracle treatment that promises skin regeneration. I don't feel like reading someone's overwhelming thoughts about some 1 mm scar they have on their buttocks per say.
Unfortunately, nothing has come to fruition since the thread was opened. I have seen severely burned people and others that have lost limbs. I just find it unacceptable that nothing exists out there to help these people recover 100% from their injuries. We have come far where facial, arm and other transplants are possible but the recipients must take thousands of immuno-suppresive drugs which makes the whole exercise worthless once the body rejects the new organ. Skin grafts were a revolution for their time.
I remember as a kid how scientists claimed that with a single injection, people would have new arms. Some people would have really benefited from getting new arteries with this method and many of us would possibly have a few family members still around who left to soon from heart failure.
In my case, I have stretch mark due to sudden teenage growth spurts, lots of scars from several day to day accidents or fighting from when I was a kid, lots of scars from skin diseases such as acne, chicken pox, folliculitis, dermatitis, etc. It doesn't stop me from living though.
The scars I reallycan't stand are the acne facial pits and the tiny slightly raised whitish patches that cover my back and shoulders. They are a reminder of the hell I went through as a teenager dealing with acne.
People were once raving on here about SkinTE. Nobody really knows what happened to this company and why some scientists risked it all to ruin their reputation. Posters mentioned Sunogel, Renovo, FS2, Olx101 and so many others in the past. Now, we have microcoring and Elastogen. I wonder why big pharma doesn't get involved in this with all that humanity knows? They might be creating mutants for all we now in some lab.
1 hour ago, Scarcure said:I appreciate what you're trying to do here .... but for me i have nothing left ..... am depressed all the time because of these marks on my face .... am 31 .... yeah i do have some structure in my life as i am an accounting student ... however i still can't shake off this feeling ... i've been let down by ones closet to me .... look you seem like an intelligent person .... and of course this is guess work ... but in your opinion when do you think complete regeneration will occur ? ...
If even the brightest scientists out there don't know when absolute scarless treatment (meaning 100%) will occur, then I'm afraid I don't either. What I do know is that the next 5 years are going to be incredibly important in that regard, and that, in itself, is a great thing.
Life is unfair: some people are incredibly beautiful AND have perfect skin, others are the opposite. You can either accept that and try to go forward, or you can't and then it's game over, pure and simple. Sorry to be harsh but that's how it works.
8 minutes ago, Scarlessfuture said:I get that some people can be super conscious about their scars but there are other threads for that. I come here time to time to read about the latest miracle treatment that promises skin regeneration. I don't feel like reading someone's overwhelming thoughts about some 1 mm scar they have on their buttocks per say.
Unfortunately, nothing has come to fruition since the thread was opened. I have seen severely burned people and others that have lost limbs. I just find it unacceptable that nothing exists out there to help these people recover 100% from their injuries. We have come far where facial, arm and other transplants are possible but the recipients must take thousands of immuno-suppresive drugs which makes the whole exercise worthless once the body rejects the new organ. Skin grafts were a revolution for their time.
I remember as a kid how scientists claimed that with a single injection, people would have new arms. Some people would have really benefited from getting new arteries with this method and many of us would possibly have a few family members still around who left to soon from heart failure.
In my case, I have stretch mark due to sudden teenage growth spurts, lots of scars from several day to day accidents or fighting from when I was a kid, lots of scars from skin diseases such as acne, chicken pox, folliculitis, dermatitis, etc. It doesn't stop me from living though.
The scars I reallycan't stand are the acne facial pits and the tiny slightly raised whitish patches that cover my back and shoulders. They are a reminder of the hell I went through as a teenager dealing with acne.
People were once raving on here about SkinTE. Nobody really knows what happened to this company and why some scientists risked it all to ruin their reputation. Posters mentioned Sunogel, Renovo, FS2, Olx101 and so many others in the past. Now, we have microcoring and Elastogen. I wonder why big pharma doesn't get involved in this with all that humanity knows? They might be creating mutants for all we now in some lab.
I kept telling people that skinTE was not gonna be a solution at all, as many practicians and surgeons told me so, so it's never been a disappointment at all for me. Same thing for tons of other startups I won't mention because people will go "hey I hoped it would work". You always have to manage your expectations when it comes to this stuff. I also don't believe in micro-coring that much, but I mentioned why in the past (same reasons as skin pessimist tbh), and I'm not gonna dwindle on that either.
The reason why I've been mentioning elastagen so many times in the past is because, in their cases, there are green signals everywhere:
-An acquisition by one of the top pharmaceutical companies in the world for hundreds of millions of dollars: check
-Several of the biggest investors of the cosmetic world behind them: check
-A creator (Dr Tony Weiss) who's known worldwide (and who has associates in Harvard) for his work, who's the de facto leader in synthethic human elastin and tropoelastin research, who was the director of theTissue Engineering and Regenerative Medicine International Society (making him one of the world most advanced scientists in tissue regeneration), a member of the RSC: check
-The fact that several people asked Dr Weiss if his product would finally bring an "end" to stretch marks, and that he said he was very optimistic about it (which means the results he got so far have to be good, or he wouldn't say that)
-And so on, and so on...
And like people said before, we're getting scientific papers at the end of the year, which will demonstrate how good the product is for acne scars and stretch marks, something tons of people are waiting for. Once this thing is out, IF the results are good, then the hype will be immeasurable, and they know it. Imagine how many millions of people would pay to get rid of their stretch marks and acne scars?
Even then I'm managing my expectations, because the bigger the hype, the higher the disappointment if something bad happens...but I'm already a very cautious man when it comes to this (which is why I really didn't get excited about all the other options out there so far), so if it's not what everyone thought it would be, then I'll keep living the way I live right now.
Sometimes it takes a kick up the backside for things to get going, perhaps covid 19 is that? Most inventions and leaps forward in technology are reactionary to something. Some people whohave survivedabad case of covid have beenleft with badly scarred lungs which will only get worseas the years pass. Tissue repair and regeneration is going to be pushed to the forefront by the media. Acne scarring and stretchmarks, even burn scars to a certain extent are considered "meh" as you're not going to die from them. Scarring of internal organs is viewed as much more serious.
1 hour ago, lehran said:If even the brightest scientists out there don't know when absolute scarless treatment (meaning 100%) will occur, then I'm afraid I don't either. What I do know is that the next 5 years are going to be incredibly important in that regard, and that, in itself, is a great thing.
Life is unfair: some people are incredibly beautiful AND have perfect skin, others are the opposite. You can either accept that and try to go forward, or you can't and then it's game over, pure and simple. Sorry to be harsh but that's how it works.
But i did have great features ... that's why i get this sense of depression and loss , also if there would be a 80 to 90 percent improvement ( supposedly ) than surly it would stand to reason a complete regeneration of skin will occur this decade.
1 hour ago, BeneficialCell said:Sometimes it takes a kick up the backside for things to get going, perhaps covid 19 is that? Most inventions and leaps forward in technology are reactionary to something. Some people whohave survivedabad case of covid have beenleft with badly scarred lungs which will only get worseas the years pass. Tissue repair and regeneration is going to be pushed to the forefront by the media. Acne scarring and stretchmarks, even burn scars to a certain extent are considered "meh" as you're not going to die from them. Scarring of internal organs is viewed as much more serious.
Which makes sense. Priority should be given to life threatening conditions. When it comes to stretch marks and acne scars, I'd wait for elastagen to publish their papers in q4 before worrying. I'm quite optimistic based on all I found and all the questions I've asked left and right, let's just be patient while trying to manage our expectations.
On 8/2/2020 at 3:55 PM, lehran said:Hi guys, lehran here, been away for months and it looks like the conversations about Elastagen are still very interesting. I also learned about the scientific drafts, so now all that's left to do is simply wait. That's pretty much it.
I do want to react to something, however: the "percentages", people keep throwing numbers without knowing what it means (and it's not the first time) so, when it comes to stretch marks reduction, I'll just copy/paste what I mentioned before:
(that was months ago btw)
"You guys are relying way too much on numbers, that's not how you should look at it:
is the reduction going to be the same from one technique to the other? No, not at all. Some techniques involve tissue regeneration, some involve skin tightening yada yada yada...and the results will vary a lot from one technique to the other.
For instance: for atrophic scars, acne scars and stretch marks tropoelastin skin implants would be about the "depression volume", since you're filling the skin lesions with synthetic skin. What it would mean in that case, is that if the treatment works, the synthethic skin will fill the lesion up to 80-90%. So essentially the void left will be drastically repaired, and instead of the alien scarring tissue look, you'll have the original skin look back, but the void won't be 100% filled, but 80-90%.
Do you get the difference? It does't mean that the overall look will be 80-90% better in this case, it means that the void left by atrophic scars won't be 100% filled by new skin. The truth is that it's going to be significantly difficult for anyone, including yourself, to notice a difference anymore UNLESS you had really massive scars to begin with.
You can't compare the current technics for skin lesions, which don't regenerate shit for the most part, to future ones. The main thing that was lacking so far was to obtain proper tissue regeneration was elastogenesis (re-creation of elastin fibers), and we're getting there.
So, again, this isn't a 80-90% improvement based on the current standars, but on the new ones.
NB: I'm not making up anything, this is basically how it works."
Hope I was able to help.
I could be missing something, but why cant we fill this void by 100%?
At least even 80-90 is big news *sighs*
We live in dark age of lasers and creams for stretch marks, lol.
17 minutes ago, gantz said:I could be missing something, but why cant we fill this void by 100%?
At least even 80-90 is big news *sighs*
We live in dark age of lasers and creams for stretch marks, lol.
I don't know honestly, my guess is as good as yours.
"We live in a dark age of lasers and creams for stretch marks, lol", ooooh boy do I know about that xD. I found out for myself how all these treatments with carboxytherapy, fractional radiofrequency, lasers yada yada don't do shit for stretch marks.
Ah, actually there's one that works: the vascular laser. If you stretch marks are recent (red) or if they didn't get fully discoloroed (meaning they're not completely white), you can actually make them turn white with this one, but that's it, it doesn't impact the histology of the stretch marks at all.
11 hours ago, Williamtill said:I'd vote for @lehran and you honestly if we could choose two mods: both of you always have been the chillest and most down to earth people since I joined this forum
I wouldn't put myself as a mod because I'm not quite active enough on all the threads. I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as BA either. Thank you though! 
8 hours ago, Didikaxonim said:I don't understand English very well. I live in Central Asia. I'm very interested in whether Sunogel failed or not. I wrote this to the director on Instagram.
I don't understand English very well. I live in Central Asia. I'm very interested in whether Sunogel failed or not. I wrote this to the director on Instagram.
I'm not sure. I haven't followed Sunogel as closely, as there seems to be more hype around other innovations lately. Hopefully it works. The more options the better in my book
6 hours ago, lehran said:If even the brightest scientists out there don't know when absolute scarless treatment (meaning 100%) will occur, then I'm afraid I don't either. What I do know is that the next 5 years are going to be incredibly important in that regard, and that, in itself, is a great thing.
Life is unfair: some people are incredibly beautiful AND have perfect skin, others are the opposite. You can either accept that and try to go forward, or you can't and then it's game over, pure and simple. Sorry to be harsh but that's how it works.
My confidence is definitely lower since developing acne scars. It would help if acne scars were viewed as an attractive feature, but unfortunately studies show that people with acne scars are perceived as unattractive and unconfident. I do agree with what you wrote overall though
40 minutes ago, Skin Pessimist said:I wouldn't put myself as a mod because I'm not quite active enough on all the threads. I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as BA either. Thank you though!
I'm not sure. I haven't followed Sunogel as closely, as there seems to be more hype around other innovations lately. Hopefully it works. The more options the better in my book
My confidence is definitely lower since developing acne scars. It would help if acne scars were viewed as an attractive feature, but unfortunately studies show that people with acne scars are perceived as unattractive and unconfident. I do agree with what you wrote overall though
scars are always something that really affect people's confidence, especially in a world where perfect skin is so appreciated. I personally can't wait for the elastagen papers this year, as we'll finally have an answer to our questions
On 8/3/2020 at 1:46 PM, lehran said:
who knows when the micro coring will hit the market
15 minutes ago, Didikaxonim said:who knows when the micro coring will hit the market
Some say it will happen next year, I guess it's possible.
I'm not gonna lie though: I started this "journey" of investigating because I'm primarily interested in a product that would treat stretch marks, as there's nothing that works even slightly on the market right now, unless you want to turn them white (scars are actually way better treated than stretch marks currently, funnily enough) and yes I'm biased. Elastagen seems to be what I've been looking for based on the clinical results and their executives word (them being very optimistic about that), so I'm happy. It certainly seems to have great applications for acne scars and scars in general as well too.
My advice is this: do a lot of research yourself on micro coring, investigate, and draw conclusions yourself. Plus you'll be able to help people using sources to prove your point, which is reassuring for other people.
16 minutes ago, lehran said:Some say it will happen next year, I guess it's possible.
I'm not gonna lie though: I started this "journey" of investigating because I'm primarily interested in a product that would treat stretch marks, as there's nothing that works even slightly on the market right now, unless you want to turn them white (scars are actually way better treated than stretch marks currently, funnily enough) and yes I'm biased. Elastagen seems to be what I've been looking for based on the clinical results and their executives word (them being very optimistic about that), so I'm happy. It certainly seems to have great applications for acne scars and scars in general as well too.
My advice is this: do a lot of research yourself on micro coring, investigate, and draw conclusions yourself. Plus you'll be able to help people using sources to prove your point, which is reassuring for other people.
Unfortunatly, there is almost nothing what we can investigate about micro coring. ;(
I have not heard anything in the news for years for anything that helps scarring! Accutane was the last big acne treatment and that came out in the early 80's....might be decades or never until we find anything that works and i will be long dead.The only thing i can think of is a kinda thin mask over the skin that your skin underneath it can still function but covers up all the scars.
For my scars, I'm a big supporter of the tech and logic behind microcoring. I did see a "microcoring-like" device being advertised on YouTube for use in treating wounds with transplanted microcores to speed up healing but until I get more info on the device(width, diameter and safety) to know if the excisions heal scarlessly I can't say it's the same kind of tool cytrellis is creating.
If all boxes check out I'll find a way to get it and test it out on a scar on my ankle, at least after 4 sessions 3 months apart in a year I'd be able to objectively say if it works and then go to work on all my scars.
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1 hour ago, nikkigirl said:I have not heard anything in the news for years for anything that helps scarring! Accutane was the last big acne treatment and that came out in the early 80's....might be decades or never until we find anything that works and i will be long dead.The only thing i can think of is a kinda thin mask over the skin that your skin underneath it can still function but covers up all the scars.
It will , it's a question of time ....
It essentially seems to be a "better" skin tightening device than fractional radiofrequency as other people told me, I see nothing here mentioning tissue regeneration.
I don't know, I understand the need to feel hopeful about this kind of stuff, but I just don't see it honestly. I was talking about green signals not long ago when it comes to this stuff (who's investing in it, who wants to buy, who's working on it, proof of concept, background of the people who work here, how much money is at stake, yada yada yada) and I don't see much.
Micro coring is apparently going to be yet another interesting addition to treat wrinkles, but I wouldn't bet on it otherwise.